Part 3 of the biggest Genshin Impact CRT (Abyss Mages tiers abilities changes)

[Puppet43]

This CRT will focus on updating, removing, or adding Power/Abilities to Abyss Mage Tier characters.

Spoiler: Abilities/Stats that should be Added

Amber

• Possibly Resistance to Extreme Cold = She didn't seem to mind a bath at midnight in at freezing enviroment such as Dragonspine

Venti

• Inorganic Physiology = He was stated to be formed of elemental energy
• Soul Manipulation = He was able to send Stanley's soul to a sort of afterlife, separeting his spirit from Hans (Or its either just Memory Manipulation and Venti was able to relieve Hans of the burden of impersonating Stanley, creating a perfect image of him. Anyways he would get Soul Manipulation because he could send all the souls of Mare Jivari back to the Ley Lines of Natlan)
• Empowerment = He is able to gain his strength through the wind
• Weather Manipulation = Able to create storms
• Levitation/Pseudo Flight = Seen here
• Clairvoyance Negation = Mona is unable to use her powers on him
• Clairvoyance = Knew about this person name without even meeting him, knows all songs that were made and those that are yet to be made, knew about how Aether enter illegally in Inazuma, knew about Callirhoe true identity

Noelle

• Stamina consistency: Her mourning routine are 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups and 100 squads
• Gifted Intelligence: She is has a decent martial fighter that even Xingqui recognizes her abilities, stated by Jean to be talented and able to learn fast

Razor

• Gifted Intelligence: Learns quick how to use others techniques

Mona

• Duplication: She is able to create Hydro Duplicates of herself

Traveler (Anemo Key for abilities)

• Stamina: Fought all day in the Domains of the 4 winds, fought against Tartaglia and some minutes later again the fatuis soldiers and fought Ei after having a match against Signora, had a rampage over all of Natlan that lasted around approximately 12 hours
• Genius Intelligence: Is a proficient with all types of weapons, stated to have the greastest battle iq of the 5 nations he saved, was able to quickly learn how to maintain Kuuvahki structures
• Resistance/Invulnerability to Curse Manipulation: Traveler is not affected by Durin's curse

Chevreuse

• Stamina feats (Able to travel 6 miles every morning and was able to outstamined Paimon). Still i think would qualificate for Above Average

Tighnari

• Stamina Feats (He is able to Outstamina Collei, since he states that Collei currently cant make the long distance patrols, which he usually do; Collei is able to stay entire nights awaken without showing signs of fatigue), Athletic or Peak Human
• Intelligence Feats (Great student in the biologic field, he was Abattouy senior in the Akademiya, who was able to create sentiment machines such as Karkata, stated superior in knowledge to Emilie) I would think this would grant him Gifted Intelligence
• Enhanced Senses (Smell and Hearing): As seen here and here
• Paralysis Inducement: With preparation, he is capable to create traps with plants that have paralyzing effects.

Xingqiu

• Sand Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Life Manipulation and Limited Bone Manipulation : Apparently Guhua's combat style integrates all this abilities, and Xingqiu back when he was training wanted to learn all of them

Chongyun

• Purification (As stated here)
• Weapon Creation (As seen here)

Xiangling

• Resistance to Disease & Poison (She is resistant to the toxins in mint and Qingxin flowers, which cause diarrhea.)

Hu tao

• Purification with prep time (As stated here)
• Life Manipulation (She is able to create Pyro Butterflies)
• Deconstruction (She is able to deconstruct herself and return to her original state at will) [Other propossitions could be Intagibility or Body Control]

Sara

• Martial Arts (Stated here that she practiced Martial Arts)

Yae Miko

• Seal Nullification (She was able to destroy a seal of a domain)

Mizuki

• Life Manipulation (She was able to create her companions with her Yokai powers)
• Levitation (Shown here)
• Stamina: Athletic (Mizuki was tired after spending all night awaken)

Itto

• Vibration Manipulation (Just with his own foot he is able to create small shockwaves)
• Exorcism with Ushi (Ushi is stated to be an exorcist)

Spoiler: Missing scans

Amber

• Duplication & Danmaku
• Creation

Venti

• Statistics Amplification
• Illusion Creation

Young Diluc

• Chain Manipulation

Noelle

• Energy Projection
• Creation & Forcefield Creation

Razor

• Enhanced Senses
• Summoning

Bennett

• Healing & Statistic Amplification
• Extreme Pain Tolerance

Traveler (Anemo Key)

• Resistance to Poison Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement & Corruption
• Purification
• Healing
• Forcefield Creation

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Stealth Mastery & Invisibility
• Shadow Manipulation
• Weapon Control

Furina

• Summoning & Healing

Chevreuse

• Healing
• Weapon Mastery
• Enhanced Hearing
• Explosion Manipulation

Tighnari

• Homing Attack
• Illusion Generation

Xingqiu

• Creation (Do i think this should be change to Weapon Creation)
• Martial Arts

Chongyun

• Justifications for Peak Human Stamina (Able to train for an entire day)
• Martial Arts & Exocirsm
• Aura & Soul Destruction

Hu Tao

• Intelligence justifications (She created her own spear art and perfect it, Hu tao's grandfather called her gifted, since she was able to master the Wangsheng Arts by the age of 8)
• Damage Boost & Statistics Amplifications
• Healing & Non-Physical Interaction

Kokomi

• Stamina feat
• Levitation
• Healing
• Statistics Amplifications
• Water Walking

Sara

• Social Influencing

Mizuki

• Shapeshifting
• More scans to Dream Manip
• Longevity

Itto

• Statistic Amplification

Spoiler: Abilities that should be deleted

Noelle

• Enhanced Hearing (I couldn't find any source that suggest this ability; if im wrong please correct me)

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Holy Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (These 2 abilities were deleted from the current Elemental Energy Page, so there no reason on why they should stay)

Xingqiu

• Elemental Intangibility & Statistics Amplification (Main reason its because this was copy and paste from Keqing's profile)
• Statistics Amplification (I could be wrong, but there no statment support this, isnt it?)

Chongyun

• Resistance to Cold Temperatures (I couldn't find the source for this)

Yae

• We getting ride of Class K Yae , there no implications she was near Chiyo's lvl

Mizuki

• Same as yae

Spoiler: Abyss Mage updated page and some other minor stuff

• To begin, I've updated the Abyss Mages profile; this is the new page. Biggest change was the addition of Electrochanter Key
• Remove Rosaria's Resistance of Statistics Reduction ability, because in the teapot's voice lines she mentions that she can get drunk, she just knows her limit.

Spoiler: Descender Physiology

This page has some errors, so im just gonna say a way to fix them

• Delete => Purification & Absorption (This ability has been only so far known by the Traveler, so we can't assume Nibelung, Phanes or the Third Descender); Primordial Sea Water Abilities (This section is the contrary to the previous, we just know that Phanes and Nibelung could had potentially used it, but so far the Traveler hasn't show any indications of using this)
• Add => Resistance to Information Erasure (Type 1) : The Traveler is unaffected by the changes made to Irminsul, and is able to remember events such as the disappearance of Scaramouche and Rukkhadevata from the records of this tree. (This ability should be extended to all descenders because none of them have information about themselves in the Irminsul; furthermore, they are not bound to Teyvat or its laws)

Spoiler: Change for all characters in this CRT

• In game justifications should be deleted such as :

Superhuman (Comparable to Hilichurls), higher Attack Speed with Fatal Acceleration (Her normal and charged attack speed increases by 12% for 5 seconds whenever she scores a critical hit)

There no reason to believe that gameplay mechanic also applies for Lore Canonicity.

• Lifting Strength:
  • Yokai Division: Yae, Mizuki and Itto should scale to Itto being capable of tumbling down a tree (Class 5, since average trees weight between 1 and 5 tons)
  • Abyss Mage Division: The rest should scale to this feat: the fact that Razor is capable of stopping a full charging Andrius with his physicals (Class 10, with the sole exception of this being Abyss Mages, since their describe as weak in body. But we could given them Class 10 with Elemental Energy)
• All character should have their energies (Elemental/Abyssal) be updated to current pages

Big ahh CRT

Agree: Natsuki012, @TWILIGHT-OP, LoudestProcedure, @LephyrTheRevanchist

Disagree:

Neutral: @TWILIGHT-OP, @LephyrTheRevanchist (Xingqiu's new abilities)

 

[MSahla]

I'll respond to these later.

 

[Puppet43]

I'll respond to these later.

Yeah, there a lot to digest

 

[Natsuki012]

Agree

 

[Mommyleona]

Combat intelligence ratings are no longer a thing as one skeleton would say

 

[Puppet43]

Combat intelligence ratings are no longer a thing as one skeleton would say

What happen if i may ask?

 

[MSahla]

What happen if i may ask?

Combat intelligence statistics and optional continuity sections in verse pages

Hello everybody. Two community announcements here, one very late, and the other one new: Our character intelligence sections should no longer mention specific combat skill intelligence statistics, just explain how accomplished a character is in this area, as previously in this regard. So if...

vsbattles.com

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Disagree with resistance to type 2 info erasure. The imrusul has type 1 info erasure, it only erased knowledge of wander and did not erase the wanderer. Besides traveller did not resist erasure he just remembered things.

 

[MSahla]

I'll just pointing the ones i have issue with.

Mind Manipulation = It is implied that Venti was able to manipulate Paimon into unconsciously completing the poem he began to sing.

Disagree, there is no such implication here. That's just a popular poem about the story of Time and Wind, Paimon just finishing it because she knew.

Ravaged Carving: "Stories brought on the wind will bloom into legends in due time.
"Paimon: What does that even mean? ...Paimon has no idea.
Paimon: Still, this place looks like it hides some secret...
Paimon: Let's check the area out. We might find some clues!

It's like you hear someone singing a song that you know, and you suddenly start singing it along with them. The Traveler once mentioned it.

Enhanced Senses [Chrono Vision] = Knew about this person name without even meeting him, knows all songs that were made and those that are yet to be made, knew about how Aether enter illegally in Inazuma, knew about Callirhoe true identity

Neutral, leaning to disagree. I don't even think this is a Enhanced Senses. Like.. How can it be with that justifications?

"Knew the Traveler about how Traveler enter Inazuma illegally"
"Knew about Callirhoe true identity"

??? Those aren't even Enhanced Senses.

Empowerment = He is able to gain his strength through the wind

Scan/link doesn't work for me.

Vibration Manipulation: As shown here

I don't see Vibration Manip here.

Deconstruction and Resistance to such (She is able to deconstruct herself and return to her original state at will) [Other propossitions could be Intagibility or Body Control]

This is not Deconstruction? This just either Intangibility or Invisibility.

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Holy Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (These 2 abilities were deleted from the current Elemental Energy Page, so there no reason on why they should stay)

It's still your fault btw, why did you deleted them without even a CRT, that's like vandalism.

Mizuki

• Longevity (No mention of it anywhere in the page linked)

Why would you want to nuke the Longevity from someone who lived more than 500 years old? You and I know that Youkai are a long-lived creatures, so why?

Delete => Purification & Absorption (This ability has been only so far known by the Traveler, so we can't assume Nibelung, Phanes or the Third Descender);

These abilities is exclusive for the Traveler, he can absorb the abyss and purified them. The Traveler is a Descender, Nibelung and Phanes, who's also a Descenders, should have this Descender property and ability just like the Traveler.

 

[Natsuki012]

It's still your fault btw, why did you deleted them without even a CRT, that's like vandalism.

I don't think this counts as vandalism. Also, you should make CRT later if you disagree

 

[MSahla]

I don't think this counts as vandalism.

It is, because he deleted the abilities that are not part of his CRT, so those abilities shouldn't count, yet he still did it.

Also, you should make CRT later if you disagree

I guess

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Amber

• Resistance to Extreme Cold = She didn't seem to mind a bath at midnight in at freezing enviroment such as Dragonspine

Fine, although iffy,

Venti

• Inorganic Physiology = He was stated to be formed of elemental energy

Sure

• Soul Manipulation = He was able to send Stanley's soul to a sort of afterlife, separeting his spirit from Hans (Or its either just Memory Manipulation and Venti was able to relieve Hans of the burden of impersonating Stanley, creating a perfect image of him. Anyways he would get Soul Manipulation because he could send all the souls of Mare Jivari back to the Ley Lines of Natlan)

Fine

• Mind Manipulation = It is implied that Venti was able to manipulate Paimon into unconsciously completing the poem he began to sing.

No, there was no such implications.

• Empowerment = He is able to gain his strength through the wind

Fine

• Weather Manipulation = Able to create storms

OKhttps://imgur.com/51duLPK

• Levitation/Pseudo Flight = Seen here

Fine

• Clairvoyance Negation = Mona is unable to use her powers on him

its not negation but actively sabotaging her so she can't see.https://imgur.com/C8W8ORT

• Enhanced Senses [Chrono Vision] = Knew about this person name without even meeting him, knows all songs that were made and those that are yet to be made, knew about how Aether enter illegally in Inazuma, knew about Callirhoe true identity

Clairvoyance suits more imo

Noelle

• Stamina consistency: Her mourning routine are 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups and 100 squads
• Gifted Combat Intelligence: She is has a decent martial fighter that even Xingqui recognizes her abilities, stated by Jean to be talented and able to learn fast

Razor

• Gifted Combat Intelligence: Learns quick how to use others techniques

We no longer use combat intelligence ratingshttps://imgur.com/w35HaFD

Mona

• Duplication: She is able to create Hydro Duplicates of herself

Fine

Traveler (Anemo Key for abilities)

• Stamina: Fought all day in the Domains of the 4 winds, fought against Tartaglia and some minutes later again the fatuis soldiers and fought Ei after having a match against Signora, had a rampage over all of Natlan that lasted around approximately 12 hours
• Genius Combat Intelligence: Is a proficient with all types of weapons, stated to have the greastest battle iq of the 5 nations he saved, was able to quickly learn how to maintain Kuuvahki structures
• Resistance/Invulnerability to Curse Manipulation: Traveler is not affected by Durin's curse

Again don't have combat ratings, also, immunity should be fine but have to mention about the curse ( which specific curse i meant )

Furina

• Vibration Manipulation: As shown here

I don't see how it is.

Chevreuse

• Stamina feats (Able to travel 6 miles every morning and was able to outstamined Paimon). Still i think would qualificate for Peak Human
• Statistics Amplification (She is able to reduce the amount of stamina she uses while running)

Hmm, should be Above Average stamina.
Disagree with statistics Amplification, that's just game mechanics. I don't think you can use it.

Tighnari

• Stamina Feats (He is able to Outstamina Collei, since he states that Collei currently cant make the long distance patrols, which he usually do; Collei is able to stay entire nights awaken without showing signs of fatigue), Athletic or Peak Human
• Intelligence Feats (Great student in the biologic field, he was Abattouy senior in the Akademiya, who was able to create sentiment machines such as Karkata, stated superior in knowledge to Emilie) I would think this would grant him Gifted Intelligence
• Enhanced Senses (Smell and Hearing): As seen here and here
• Paralysis Inducement: With preparation, he is capable to create traps with plants that have paralyzing effects.

Fine

Xingqiu

• His stamina should be downgraded, since after 1 battle of just some minutes he was already exhausted (I think it would be either Average or Athlethic)

Nothing about what you said for stamina in scan.

• Sand Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Life Manipulation and Limited Bone Manipulation : Apparently Guhua's combat style integrates all this abilities, and Xingqiu back when he was training wanted to learn all of them

Maybe or may be not, did he ever learned or even used any of those? Put me on neutral.

Chongyun

• Purification (As stated here)
• Weapon Creation (As seen here)

Fine

Xiangling

• Resistance to Disease & Poison (She is resistant to the toxins in mint and Qingxin flowers, which cause diarrhea.)
• Weapon Creation (She is able to create a copy of her spear with the Pyro element)

Fine

Hu tao

• Stamina Justifications, most likely Peak Human or Superhuman (For 2 days she travel over all Liyue, searching for her grandfather ghost)
• Purification with prep time (As stated here)
• Life Manipulation (She is able to create Pyro Butterflies)
• Deconstruction and Resistance to such (She is able to deconstruct herself and return to her original state at will) [Other propossitions could be Intagibility or Body Control]

Lack of justification for superhuman, there nothing mentioned if she travel without eating/drinking or rest, so can't be super human, not does I see peak human either.

Why the resistance?

Sara

• Martial Arts (Stated here that she practiced Martial Arts)

Fine

Yae Miko

• Seal Nullification (She was able to destroy a seal of a domain)

Fine

Mizuki

• Life Manipulation (She was able to create her companions with her Yokai powers)
• Power Bestowal (She was able to grant Traveler the ability to flight)
• Levitation (Shown here)
• Stamina: Athletic (Mizuki was tired after spending all night awaken)

It's more like she used her anemo powers to help Traveller fly with her. You can clearly see her pulling traveller with her.

Itto

• Stamina: Athletic or Peak Human (He fought against a kid in a Onikabuto Battle without eating, drinking or sleeping for a entire day)
• Vibration Manipulation (Just with his own foot he is able to create small shockwaves)
• Exorcism with Ushi (Ushi is stated to be an exorcist)

Wasn't that just beatles battle? Also there's nowhere mentioned about going out without eating, drinking or sleeping entire day. So disagree.
Rest fine.

Missing scans

Amber

• Duplication & Danmaku
• Creation

Venti

• Statistics Amplification
• Illusion Creation

Young Diluc

• Chain Manipulation

Noelle

• Energy Projection
• Creation & Forcefield Creation

Razor

• Enhanced Senses
• Summoning

Bennett

• Healing & Statistic Amplification
• Extreme Pain Tolerance

Traveler (Anemo Key)

• Resistance to Poison Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement & Corruption
• Purification
• Healing
• Forcefield Creation

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Stealth Mastery & Invisibility
• Shadow Manipulation
• Weapon Control

Furina

• Summoning & Healing

Chevreuse

• Healing
• Weapon Mastery
• Enhanced Hearing
• Explosion Manipulation

Tighnari

• Homing Attack
• Illusion Generation

Xingqiu

• Creation (Do i think this should be change to Weapon Creation)
• Martial Arts

Chongyun

• Justifications for Peak Human Stamina (Able to train for an entire day)
• Martial Arts & Exocirsm
• Aura & Soul Destruction

Hu Tao

• Intelligence justifications (She created her own spear art and perfect it, Hu tao's grandfather called her gifted, since she was able to master the Wangsheng Arts by the age of 8)
• Damage Boost & Statistics Amplifications
• Healing & Non-Physical Interaction

Kokomi

• Stamina feat
• Levitation
• Healing
• Statistics Amplifications
• Water Walking

Sara

• Social Influencing

Mizuki

• Shapeshifting
• More scans to Dream Manip

Itto

• Statistic Amplification

This fine.

Abilities that should be deleted

Noelle

• Enhanced Hearing (I couldn't find any source that suggest this ability; if im wrong please correct me)

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Holy Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (These 2 abilities were deleted from the current Elemental Energy Page, so there no reason on why they should stay)

Xingqiu

• Elemental Intangibility & Statistics Amplification (Main reason its because this was copy and paste from Keqing's profile)
• Statistics Amplification (I could be wrong, but there no statment support this, isnt it?)

Chongyun

• Resistance to Cold Temperatures (I couldn't find the source for this)

Yae

• We getting ride of Class K Yae , there no implications she was near Chiyo's lvl

Mizuki

• Same as yae
• Longevity (No mention of it anywhere in the page linked)

Fine

Abyss Mage updated page and some other minor stuff

• To begin, I've updated the Abyss Mages profile; this is the new page. Biggest change was the addition of Electrochanter Key
• Remove Rosaria's Resistance of Statistics Reduction ability, because in the teapot's voice lines she mentions that she can get drunk, she just knows her limit.

Fine.

Will look rest later.

 

[Puppet43]

Disagree with resistance to type 2 info erasure. The imrusul has type 1 info erasure, it only erased knowledge of wander and did not erase the wanderer.

Tought it was Type 2, mb then (Changed)

its not negation but actively sabotaging her so she can't see

I mean, its more of how u interpretate the line, could be both

We no longer use combat intelligence ratings

Then just intelligence feats?

I don't see how it is.

It is the push thingy

immunity should be fine but have to mention about the curse ( which specific curse i meant )

What u mean?

that's just game mechanics. I don't think you can use it.

If this is the case should we also delete some game mechanics of previous crt? (Rosaria)
Anyways, i did change the ones u tell me u disagree with

 

[MSahla]

Amber

• Resistance to Extreme Cold = She didn't seem to mind a bath at midnight in at freezing enviroment such as Dragonspine

The same Amber in this art that she can't stand with Dragonspine's cold. Nahh nuke this, or give this to Eula instead if she didn't have it yet.

 

[MSahla]

or give this to Eula instead if she didn't have it yet.

Nvm she already has it.

 

[Puppet43]

Those aren't even Enhanced Senses.

Chrono Vision is a type of enhanced vision, but anyways i already change it to Clairvoyance

Scan/link doesn't work for me.

I don't see Vibration Manip here.

Its Furina pushing the enemies, but if neither u or Twilight see it i might as well delete it

This just either Intangibility or Invisibility.

Thats why i put them as 2nd options, only if moderators see an issue with it being Deconstruction i might change it for intangibility (Dout is invisibility, since she phases trought enemies)

Why would you want to nuke the Longevity from someone who lived more than 500 years old?

The page u link doesnt say anything, u should had just put the scan u show (Changed to missing scans)

These abilities is exclusive for the Traveler, he can absorb the abyss and purified them. The Traveler is a Descender, Nibelung and Phanes, who's also a Descenders, should have this Descender property and ability just like the Traveler.

Thats not how it works, this is like saying
"If Venti can create Vortexs with his anemo powers then all anemo users should too"
U would have to proof they can purificate the abyss by their own; futhermore Phanes could only contain Abyssal Corruption with Nails

It's still your fault btw, why did you deleted them without even a CRT, that's like vandalism.

U all agree to change the page to the one in the sandbox

Eula instead if she didn't have it yet.

Eula has it

Amber in this art that she can't stand with Dragonspine's cold.

Then why she went with Eula to take a bath midnight in the middle of dragonspine?

 

[MSahla]

I don't think this is enough, sounds really flowery.

Thats why i put them as 2nd options, only if moderators see an issue with it being Deconstruction i might change it for intangibility (Dout is invisibility, since she phases trought enemies)

Probably just Intangibility

The page u link doesnt say anything, u should had just put the scan u show (Changed to missing scans)

Well, i linked that because i want to show people about Youkai. It still doesn't change the fact that they are long-lived creatures, you know it too. So just delete that.

Thats not how it works, this is like saying
"If Venti can create Vortexs with his anemo powers then all anemo users should too"
U would have to proof they can purificate the abyss by their own; futhermore Phanes could only contain Abyssal Corruption with Nails

False analogy. Descenders are having the same properties, while vision users are not. Each of them have their own personal abilities. But the Traveler can do that because he's a Descender, and he presumably can restore all that within his body, because as we all know, Descenders are like an empty vast that you can fill with anything.

U all agree to change the page to the one in the sandbox

I agree with the abilities that being removed, not the whole page.

Then why she went with Eula to take a bath midnight in the middle of dragonspine?

Idk, but in that chibi art she couldn't witstand with the cold of Dragonspine, so just give her Likely/Possibly

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Seems fine I agree

 

[MSahla]

Well, i linked that because i want to show people about Youkai. It still doesn't change the fact that they are long-lived creatures, you know it too.

It's the same case as this one

Shapeshifting (Youkai are capable of transforming themselves into a human form.)

I didn't find the scan that really says it, but we have other Youkai characters such as Yae Miko, who we all know that her Human form isn't her true form. So, i don't think we really need a scan for that since the Human form that we see now are not their true forms, but like a supernatural creatures. Again with Yae Miko being Sky Kitsune, Mizuki with Baku, or even those Bake Danuki (Ginkaku, Kinkaku, and Tetsunosuke) who can transform themselves into Hitotsume Kozou, Kappa, and Youkou.

 

[Puppet43]

Descenders are having the same properties

They don't
Again, do you have evidence to say these 2 have Purification ability on their own?

I agree with the abilities that being removed, not the whole page.

But ur not the only person in the converssation, aren't u?
Most people just agreed without saying "we should let x ability still"

It's the same case as this one

Thats why i also had that ability in missing scans

I don't think this is enough, sounds really flowery.

I mean shouldnt be far fetch to say the God of Wind gets stronger with wind

 

[Puppet43]

But ur not the only person in the converssation, aren't u?
Most people just agreed without saying "we should let x ability still"

Btw, Holy Manip doesnt have even a clear argumentation

Holy Manipulation (The seven Elements of Teyvat originated from the Light Realm, a realm of pure raw and primordial elemental beings who historically held the pinnacle potency of elemental power, known as the Seven Sovereigns. The power from the Light Realm can repel against the Abyssal Energy of the Void Realm, which is extremely harmful against towards elemental beings such as elemental dragons and vishaps

Could u explain me why the lore of the elements is a valid argument to get Holy Manipulation? (With Spatial, i dont have any issue)

 

[MSahla]

They don't
Again, do you have evidence to say these 2 have Purification ability on their own?

Them being Descenders is enough.

But ur not the only person in the converssation, aren't u?
Most people just agreed without saying "we should let x ability still"

Because i thought you're gonna remove the abilities that you pointed out, i didn't expected you're gonna change the whole of it, even though i already told you.

I mean shouldnt be far fetch to say the God of Wind gets stronger with wind

Shit, we should give all the Archons empowerement cause they're God of their respective elements.

 

[Furina003]

Irminsul is im2, that explain can change the reality, not only the human mind. But i dont mind now, i will make crt about that later.

This CRT will focus on updating, removing, or adding Power/Abilities to Abyss Mage Tier characters.
Amber

• Resistance to Extreme Cold = She didn't seem to mind a bath at midnight in at freezing enviroment such as Dragonspine

agree

Venti

• Inorganic Physiology = He was stated to be formed of elemental energy
• Soul Manipulation = He was able to send Stanley's soul to a sort of afterlife, separeting his spirit from Hans (Or its either just Memory Manipulation and Venti was able to relieve Hans of the burden of impersonating Stanley, creating a perfect image of him. Anyways he would get Soul Manipulation because he could send all the souls of Mare Jivari back to the Ley Lines of Natlan)
• Empowerment = He is able to gain his strength through the wind
• Weather Manipulation = Able to create storms
• Levitation/Pseudo Flight = Seen here
• Clairvoyance Negation = Mona is unable to use her powers on him
• Clairvoyance = Knew about this person name without even meeting him, knows all songs that were made and those that are yet to be made, knew about how Aether enter illegally in Inazuma, knew about Callirhoe true identity

Agree

Noelle

• Stamina consistency: Her mourning routine are 100 push-ups, 100 sit-ups and 100 squads
• Gifted Intelligence: She is has a decent martial fighter that even Xingqui recognizes her abilities, stated by Jean to be talented and able to learn fast

Agree

Razor

• Gifted Intelligence: Learns quick how to use others techniques

Agree

Mona

• Duplication: She is able to create Hydro Duplicates of herself

Agree

Traveler (Anemo Key for abilities)

• Stamina: Fought all day in the Domains of the 4 winds, fought against Tartaglia and some minutes later again the fatuis soldiers and fought Ei after having a match against Signora, had a rampage over all of Natlan that lasted around approximately 12 hours
• Genius Intelligence: Is a proficient with all types of weapons, stated to have the greastest battle iq of the 5 nations he saved, was able to quickly learn how to maintain Kuuvahki structures
• Resistance/Invulnerability to Curse Manipulation: Traveler is not affected by Durin's curse

Agree

Chevreuse

• Stamina feats (Able to travel 6 miles every morning and was able to outstamined Paimon). Still i think would qualificate for Above Average

Tighnari

• Stamina Feats (He is able to Outstamina Collei, since he states that Collei currently cant make the long distance patrols, which he usually do; Collei is able to stay entire nights awaken without showing signs of fatigue), Athletic or Peak Human
• Intelligence Feats (Great student in the biologic field, he was Abattouy senior in the Akademiya, who was able to create sentiment machines such as Karkata, stated superior in knowledge to Emilie) I would think this would grant him Gifted Intelligence
• Enhanced Senses (Smell and Hearing): As seen here and here
• Paralysis Inducement: With preparation, he is capable to create traps with plants that have paralyzing effects.

Agree

Xingqiu

• Sand Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Life Manipulation and Limited Bone Manipulation : Apparently Guhua's combat style integrates all this abilities, and Xingqiu back when he was training wanted to learn all of them

Im not sure about this, i disagree

Chongyun

• Purification (As stated here)
• Weapon Creation (As seen here)

Agree

Xiangling

• Resistance to Disease & Poison (She is resistant to the toxins in mint and Qingxin flowers, which cause diarrhea.)
• Weapon Creation (She is able to create a copy of her spear with the Pyro element)

Agree

Hu tao

• Purification with prep time (As stated here)
• Life Manipulation (She is able to create Pyro Butterflies)
• Deconstruction (She is able to deconstruct herself and return to her original state at will) [Other propossitions could be Intagibility or Body Control]

Agree , except decontruction, it this only intangibility and invisibility

Sara

• Martial Arts (Stated here that she practiced Martial Arts)

Agree

Yae Miko

• Seal Nullification (She was able to destroy a seal of a domain)

Agree

Mizuki

• Life Manipulation (She was able to create her companions with her Yokai powers)
• Levitation (Shown here)

Agree and i think mizuki can get flying (here)

• Stamina: Athletic (Mizuki was tired after spending all night awaken)

Agree

Itto

• Vibration Manipulation (Just with his own foot he is able to create small shockwaves)
• Exorcism with Ushi (Ushi is stated to be an exorcist)

Agree

Spoiler: Missing scans

Amber

• Duplication & Danmaku
• Creation

Venti

• Statistics Amplification
• Illusion Creation

Young Diluc

• Chain Manipulation

Noelle

• Energy Projection
• Creation & Forcefield Creation

Razor

• Enhanced Senses
• Summoning

Bennett

• Healing & Statistic Amplification
• Extreme Pain Tolerance

Traveler (Anemo Key)

• Resistance to Poison Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement & Corruption
• Purification
• Healing
• Forcefield Creation

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Stealth Mastery & Invisibility
• Shadow Manipulation
• Weapon Control

Furina

• Summoning & Healing

Chevreuse

• Healing
• Weapon Mastery
• Enhanced Hearing
• Explosion Manipulation

Tighnari

• Homing Attack
• Illusion Generation

Xingqiu

• Creation (Do i think this should be change to Weapon Creation)
• Martial Arts

Chongyun

• Justifications for Peak Human Stamina (Able to train for an entire day)
• Martial Arts & Exocirsm
• Aura & Soul Destruction

Hu Tao

• Intelligence justifications (She created her own spear art and perfect it, Hu tao's grandfather called her gifted, since she was able to master the Wangsheng Arts by the age of 8)
• Damage Boost & Statistics Amplifications
• Healing & Non-Physical Interaction

Kokomi

• Stamina feat
• Levitation
• Healing
• Statistics Amplifications
• Water Walking

Sara

• Social Influencing

Mizuki

• Shapeshifting
• More scans to Dream Manip
• Longevity

Itto

• Statistic Amplification

Agree for everything

Spoiler: Abilities that should be deleted

Noelle

• Enhanced Hearing (I couldn't find any source that suggest this ability; if im wrong please correct me)

Fatui Pyro Agent

• Holy Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (These 2 abilities were deleted from the current Elemental Energy Page, so there no reason on why they should stay)

Xingqiu

• Elemental Intangibility & Statistics Amplification (Main reason its because this was copy and paste from Keqing's profile)
• Statistics Amplification (I could be wrong, but there no statment support this, isnt it?)

Chongyun

• Resistance to Cold Temperatures (I couldn't find the source for this)

Yae

• We getting ride of Class K Yae , there no implications she was near Chiyo's lvl

Mizuki

• Same as yae

Agree

Spoiler: Abyss Mage updated page and some other minor stuff

• To begin, I've updated the Abyss Mages profile; this is the new page. Biggest change was the addition of Electrochanter Key
• Remove Rosaria's Resistance of Statistics Reduction ability, because in the teapot's voice lines she mentions that she can get drunk, she just knows her limit.

Agree

This page has some errors, so im just gonna say a way to fix them

• Delete => Purification & Absorption (This ability has been only so far known by the Traveler, so we can't assume Nibelung, Phanes or the Third Descender); Primordial Sea Water Abilities (This section is the contrary to the previous, we just know that Phanes and Nibelung could had potentially used it, but so far the Traveler hasn't show any indications of using this)

My opinion agree with @Sahlwrld

• Add => Resistance to Information Erasure (Type 1) : The Traveler is unaffected by the changes made to Irminsul, and is able to remember events such as the disappearance of Scaramouche and Rukkhadevata from the records of this tree. (This ability should be extended to all descenders because none of them have information about themselves in the Irminsul; furthermore, they are not bound to Teyvat or its laws)

This is im2, but will make crt about that. For now im neutral

• Spoiler: Change for all characters in this CRT

  • In game justifications should be deleted such as :

  [*]
  There no reason to believe that gameplay mechanic also applies for Lore Canonicity.
  

  • Lifting Strength:
    • Yokai Division: Yae, Mizuki and Itto should scale to Itto being capable of tumbling down a tree (Class 5, since average trees weight between 1 and 5 tons)
    • Abyss Mage Division: The rest should scale to this feat: the fact that Razor is capable of stopping a full charging Andrius with his physicals (Class 10, with the sole exception of this being Abyss Mages, since their describe as weak in body. But we could given them Class 10 with Elemental Energy)
  • All character should have their energies (Elemental/Abyssal) be updated to current pages

Spoiler: Change for all characters in this CRT

Agree

 

[Puppet43]

i think mizuki can get flying (here)

She already has it in profile

except decontruction, it this only intangibility and invisibility

Yeah, changed to Intangibility

This is im2

U saying im2, and other people say is im1.
I would leave it to im1, but if gets accepted and u make a crt, then ig would be change to im2 (Im not picking neither size, just playing the safest option)

Them being Descenders is enough.

So same could be said for my analogy. If venti can time manip then all anemo users should too

Because i thought you're gonna remove the abilities that you pointed out, i didn't expected you're gonna change the whole of it, even though i already told you.

This is what i said

In summary, several errors on the page stem from Garrixian's heavy use of flowery language to establish his examples, as well as the use of unique character abilities to make them part of the universe's UES. Therefore, I propose the following page, which not only corrects the errors and fixes some broken links in Garrixian's version but also adds some newer abilities and energies

Shit, we should give all the Archons empowerement cause they're God of their respective elements.

Ig? but im going step by step from the lowest tiers to Phanes lvls

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

A bit of minor input.

Amber

• Resistance to Extreme Cold = She didn't seem to mind a bath at midnight in at freezing enviroment such as Dragonspine

I'd put that down as a Possibly. Based on the artwork, there's not anything implying she is resistant to it. She was willing to accompany Eula, but I don't think she ever goes through with the ice bath.

Xiangling

• Resistance to Disease & Poison (She is resistant to the toxins in mint and Qingxin flowers, which cause diarrhea.)
• Weapon Creation (She is able to create a copy of her spear with the Pyro element)

She doesn't actually create a copy of her spear in Elemental Burst, it's actually a fire wheel known as a Pyronado.

 

[Puppet43]

She doesn't actually create a copy of her spear in Elemental Burst, it's actually a fire wheel known as a Pyronado.

Thanks, so ig i would delete this

 

[MSahla]

Why is no one bumping this

 

[Puppet43]

Why is no one bumping this

I forgot low key

 

[AsterReal]

Regarding Holy Manipulation, what should it be changed to? As I understand it, the reasoning is that elemental power can repel the Abyss. But I don’t see it having any inherently sacred properties—would classifying it as “power nullification” be clearer?

 

[Puppet43]

Regarding Holy Manipulation, what should it be changed to? As I understand it, the reasoning is that elemental power can repel the Abyss. But I don’t see it having any inherently sacred properties—would classifying it as “power nullification” be clearer?

Tbh , the Holy manipulation argumentation doesnt really talk about any holy qualities of the elements, it just says some lore and can repel the abyss

The seven Elements of Teyvat originated from the Light Realm, a realm of pure raw and primordial elemental beings who historically held the pinnacle potency of elemental power, known as the Seven Sovereigns. The power from the Light Realm can repel against the Abyssal Energy of the Void Realm, which is extremely harmful against towards elemental beings such as elemental dragons and vishaps

 

[AsterReal]

Tbh , the Holy manipulation argumentation doesnt really talk about any holy qualities of the elements, it just says some lore and can repel the abyss

Only the second of the three paragraphs comes even remotely close to being "Holy Manipulation," though it still isn't enough. I think replacing "Holy Manipulation" with "Power Nullification" might work, or we could simply remove the ability without replacing it with another one.

 

[Puppet43]

we could simply remove the ability without replacing it with another one.

Thats what i did back in the main UES CRT, there was not enough justification to hold it
But Sahl instead of making a crt arguing back is deciding to say it should stay

 

[Puppet43]

Bump

 

[Puppet43]

BUMP

 

[Puppet43]

Bump

 

[Puppet43]

Bump

 

[Furina003]

I tried to help contact some staff, this Crt has been too long

 

[Puppet43]

I tried to help contact some staff, this Crt has been too long

This crt is just 1 week old, the celestia nail one has been open since 3th of March
Thanks anyways

 

[Furina003]

This crt is just 1 week old, the celestia nail one has been open since 3th of March
Thanks anyways

I thought this was the first CRT you made, haha.
but never mind I'll try to contact the staff for both of them

 

[Puppet43]

I thought this was the first CRT you made, haha.
but never mind I'll try to contact the staff for both of them

Thanks dude