Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[The_Renegade_Slugger]

Yo I passed a JJK CRT, can I add myself to the verse page as a supporter?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Yo I passed a JJK CRT, can I add myself to the verse page as a supporter?

There is no requirements to adding someone as verse supporter at all

 

[Electronic74947]

I’m telling y’all sleeping on the black hole feat, at 1m distance from the initial blackhole radius created by yuki requires low megatons to move even 1 meter back

Got rejected

 

[Rodriiogo]

That literally would be. So you have no rebuttal. Okay got it.

Dawg usami is NOT a jujutsu higher up how many times will you say this? We literally see him talk about them and be scared of what they're do and thinking of convincing them with evidence cause he isn't of that role:

I already explained to you that to be this fast requires a level of durability and that level of durability far exceeds what Sukuna has demonstrated. Actually learn how to read properly before going off on reading comprehension.

And I already said I agree.

Yeah that’s aim dodging. Unless you’re talking about the chanting one in which that’s not a light speed beam being fired, as evident by the fact that Sukuna is chanting in the midst of it firing lmao.

How does that make it not light speed? Yea shocker fiction makes characters talk even when moving at lightspeed even, is fiction new to you or something?

Yeah it does because it means it’s beyond what Sukuna has achieved. And no it means going sub-light speed is beyond the means of humanity which can range from 1-99% sol.

"Sub-light" does not mean 1-99% SoL. It means any speed below light with the meaning being literally "At less than the speed of light". By that logic it'd also include mach 3, mach 1, even 1m/s. Are they all immobile? TCB also showed that the actually meaning is "near the speed of light" due to an affix:

Which gets proved right after since the next panel we see of Dabura moving he is already showing relativistic effects of >90% SOL.

Did you just try to compare Mach 3 speeds with light speed. Lmao.

No? Where did I?

Except kinetic energy isn’t the only thing you have to worry about when traveling at Mach 3 speeds. Ever hear of this little thing called friction? Wow physics can impact things widely, shocker!!

Add it and it'd still not go past 9-B, you'd also be capping their lifting strength by the way.

EXCEPT YOU DID MAN REAAAAAAAAAAD. You literally got upset that I brought up Dabura’s light speed kick for POWER because you said it was jus SPEED.

"read" and you didnt show any evidence of this being the case, notice how I bring up proof of your blunders and you don't because you know you can't track and you're wrong? I wasn't upset at you bringing light speed kick for power read what I said again, I said you are acting like I ever said "Sukuna scales to dabura's accelerated speed". Yea Dabura has the feat of going at that speed which needs durability. Does this mean Sukuna doesn't have this durability? No, so Dabura having lightspeed acceleration does indeed not prove any narrative contradiction or anything in support of Dabura in terms of raw physical power.

If you stopped acting like a CHILD for a moment and actually READ you’d know I’m not saying “being faster means you’re more durable” I’m saying “Dabura

You're saying Dabura...? You forgot to finish the sentence.

Is it that hard to read for you. Because when I brought up the light speed kick to show Dabura washes Sukuna in power. What did you say again? Of course let me remind you because you apparently can’t keep track of even the things you say, let alone this conversation:
Here you go. What’s with that reaction, I thought you said you understood the light speed kick being above them, why are you reacting to me bringing up the light speed kick having POWER to just saying its SPEED huh? Are you following along, are you able to keep track? Because clearly you don’t even know the things you’re saying.

What I'm denying is that physically he is above them. I didn't know I had to specify it considering I already agreed that the light speed kick is above them but you obviously can not track to save your life.

The lightspeed kick's raw power is something no one scales above them. Do you know what the convo is about? It's about them scaling to Dabura handling the near light speeds, NOT to the kick itself. The kick would be superior to Gojo, Sukuna and Dabura's durability by an unquantifiably higher amount. The Kick >> Dabura's Durability ~ Gojokuna's durability. Dabura's durability allows him to withstand the near light speeds so Gojokuna scale to that.

They’re not on the streets, they’re in the same area they were in. We can literally see the same plants by Maru that were growing towards Tsurika there previously. Looks like you happen to be blind too it seems.

Right before they go to the dismantle, they climbed up a root of the plants to fighting above the city upside down, after the slash, they are no longer on said root, and are back on the street normally, at worst they had to fall to the streets again. You think Tsurika just fell towards the street like an NPC in the same position throughout the entire thing?

Yeah and I explained why what you said was nonsensical. Did you happen to read (No).

No... you didnt. You didnt even address it.

Nice job using fan translations instead of official ones. The official ones have Maru saying “what’s he doing” and then the cursed spirits come, he doesn’t mention anything about aim.

I'm even gonna include this you said:

Also the translations I saw of Maru’s comment was “what are you after?” So yeah that could also be taken like “what are you doing?” Can be accurate to that phrasing.

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何を狙っている

You're just wrong.

"何を狙っている？"
狙って (neratte) literally means aiming/to aim at. The translation of "what are you after" that you're seeing off a translator is telling you that he is after something as in aiming towards something. You know "going after something" can mean "aiming towards something" right?

“He did the second explosion”
*Explains why he didn’t do the second explosion
“No it’s because he actually did all this movement off screen”
Nice proof!! Such a good argument huh!!

You didn't explain why he didn't do the second explosion, you literally just went "hes in the same position" as proof after I already explained why he isn't.

No Yuji can be looking at both hordes. They’re in the same vicinity of where he’s looking.

Dawg I'm just gonna use BiggestOpp for this even:

1. The two explosions are literally kilometers apart, that hump doesn’t depict that distance.
2. Maru and Tsurugi are fighting upside down in the air, above the city. Those “two” swarm of curses Maru saw were spawning on the platform he made, mid air. Meaning one of them couldn’t have been the group Yuji saw.

No it’s not. The fact that you think it is proves you haven’t been reading at all. The claim was that the feat is still astronomically impressive because producing that large of a dust cloud from killing that many cursed spirits from so far away is an incredibly high output feat by jujutsu standards. Far beyond what Sukuna has demonstrated.

I explained why it's not via physics, but I wanna note I did not say "it isn't impressive by Jujutsu standards". I said it doesn't compare to Sukuna since it's a bunch of grade 3-4 curses. It means a very small portion of Yuji's dismantle power is enough to keep moving forward and killing them all which is still impressive cause of how range works but I told you why it means nothing towards Sukuna alongside the fact that Tsurika matched it.

And I already explained to you why you’re incorrect. Stop repeating your same talking points so many times and actually address the argument before you. And no he didn’t move at all. We can see he didn’t move. He didn’t happen to move back into the EXACT same position by coincidence. Him attacking Maru doesn’t mean he has to be in the EXACT same position.

It's Tsurugi singing a sword... why would he change his grip or position? Especially when he is trying to dash at Maru this time?

Wow…the analogy you gave was so mind bogglingly ridiculous it’s astounding you don’t see the flaws in what you said. It’s incredible really.

It’s more like if you fired a gun. line up one piece of paper in front of a gun, the bullet goes through easy, yes? Okay no line up 50 textbooks in front of the gun, do you still think the bullet’s gonna go through? I’ll save you the search and tell you that the answer is no. You see how having more of something matters?

Like my god dude, grab 1 piece of paper and rip it in half. Now grab an entire stack of computer paper and try to rip it in half, you think you’ll be able to do it? You seriously don’t get how having more of something matters when trying to go through it?

“Do you know how physics works” well clearly you don’t because you don’t seem to understand how having a large number of something reduces the energy of something trying to pass through them.

A textbook does have force compared to a gun though and the gun is a false equivalence as it's energy mostly comes from the caliber of the gun pushing the bullet forward, in this case, the dismantle is being powered by cursed energy throughout the entire movement. And I don't think you realise the gap between Yuji even if he is equal to Sukuna and a grade 3-4 curse. Grade 3-4 curses have no scaling on the wiki since they are not only below everyone in the show, but grade 3 and 4s curses only have one statement which is being able to be beaten by pistols and wooden bats:

Even using the highest joules here. EVEN USING THE CURRRENT WIKI, Sukuna level AP is currently scaled to 550 kilotons, that's a 2.893499308e+12 gap between Yuji and a grade 3 curse. That's a higher gap than a human and A NUCLEAR BOMB. And that's not even using Dabura's scaling. Yes. Yuji would indeed cut through thousands, even millions of grade 3-4 curses like paper without losing energy even if he is at sukuna's level. You are not seeing the gap here. Just to make sure you don't cry, even the gap between a grade 3 curse and a TANK (tanks are useless against grade 1 curses, aka grade 2 sorcerer level, as seen in the image) is of over 29674x. That's higher than the gap between a human and a literal shrimp by over 100 times. Genuinely no, via physics and the power established in the series, grade 3-4 curses would not remove energy off a sukuna level dismantle after being cut through.

You said all those curses, not individually. Don’t try to lie your way out of a hilariously wrong statement.

If you actually take a look at the context of the point is that the curses are all individually weaker than Miwa because and as I said they are all grade 3-4 curses so they are grade 4 sorcerers and below level.

You clearly don’t understand physics if you don’t get how going through an army of something requires substantially greater amounts of energy.

How come a person can’t tear 1000 pieces of paper in half with their bare hands at once?? It’s just paper you can tear one of them in half no problem. Don’t you understand physics, having a whole stack of them means nothing it’s the same /s.

You clearly don't understand the INSANE GAP here lol.

First off yes I did second off what are you asking about.

I don't understand what you said in that sentence with Yuji so I just said what

I’ve already explained and proven to you how being immortal and having a new technique makes your physical and latent potential much greater. You’re just coping and in denial that you’re unable to respond to the argument.

Like bro, just think. Do you not understand how having another technique makes your potential greater?? This technique also directly affects your physicals too by the way.

No it doesn't make your PHYSICAL POTENTIAL greater. Which is what I've been saying. Sure, you can say whatever you want about how he could be a better sorcerer than Gojokuna, how hes more experienced, how he has better techniques and refinement (all headcanon btw) but that doesn't mean his physical potential grew man. That's not how your body works. You could be stuck at 20 years old forever but it doesn't mean you can now grow more than your LATENT potential as a human being. You still have limitations that your body will never be able to overcome, you won't become superman just because you can't age. You'd need to show me a single piece of evidence that shows that being immortal or having a new technique allows you to break your PHYSICAL latent potential. The next part is just answered by this aswell.

Wha do you mean. Yuji can literally see and feel the experiences that transpired because they were in his body and are in his memories.

He can't feel the energy though? His deduction via his memories can be as simple as "Sukuna is able to beat Jogo quite easily, Yuta seems strong enough to do the same, he could probably handle Sukuna". It doesn't mean he can actually sense the power Sukuna was outputting, memories don't make you just see/feel the output.

That Gojo believes his students can surpass him?

You proved that Gojo thinks Megumi might have the potential to do that, he never mentions Yuji once since hes putting Yuji below Megumi in potential in the same sentence you showed.

It’s still his potential though correct?

As a sorcerer? Sure? Why does that matter in this case if we're talking about a physical stats comparission?

No it’s fully correct and you understand Yuji’s body is superhuman by the way correct? And do you know what a defining limit of the body is? Age, which is something that doesn’t affect Yuji.

Why does that matter? Yuji's body being superhuman was already being taken into account by Sukuna and Uraume, and age means nothing? Age limits your growth potential, NOT YOUR LATENT POTENTIAL. I swear mean you keep ignoring that they were talking about latent potential here which is something age DOES NOT affect. Age simply affects how much you can grow before you start declining, not how much you can grow in general.

No they come from Kenjaku’s experiments on Yuji. But Yuji’s body is superhuman compared to Sukuna’s body physical wise, you understand that right? Sukuna’s fingers has properties like cursed energy in it which made Yuji’s body superhumanly strong naturally, Sukuna’s body doesn’t have anything like that. He’s still basically a larger human with two extra arms strength wise.

The same image I showed explains to you why his body is superhuman strong naturally, and it's because of Sukuna.

Because of being bred with both a fragment of Sukuan's soul via his twin and having sealed one of his fingers within him, Yuji was born that strong. His power comes from being related to Sukuna man. It's how Kenjaku ensured he had enough strength to be his vessel.

And a superhuman body which Sukuna doesn’t have. And no being immortal would directly increase his latent potential and allow for his body to surpass its limits because it allows for his body to train for longer and grow stronger than it normally could have due to the body’s natural degradation and also allows for Yuji to further increase his strength by better improving on his techniques.

That's... not what latent potential is. You are talking about growth potential which is indeed limited by age, latent isn't.

What are you talking about. A video might be able to keep up during slower moments of the fight but struggle to catch the higher paced moments, what’s so hard to get about that?

Except that via everyone watching it we see that they were very much keeping up with the entire fight, the entire time, not only did we get an entire chapter of them narrating the fight and what's hapenning. We see them react to each of their movements via the video an immeasurable amount of times man, even noticing small details like the damage, gojo not using RCT, nosebleeds, what sukuna uses word by word, like oh my god man, and this was when they WERE INDEED moving at their higher paced moments as this was during the beginning. The video does fully capted their movements.

What??? Genuinely I have no idea what you’re saying here as it doesn’t make any sense.

Regardless if Mahito was weakened or not, Yuji also was, they were comparable before Mahito used ISBODK so the gap between Yuji and Mahito is indeed 2x regardless.

You deadass can’t even do math right. 5 x 2.5 is 12.5 not 15 lmao. And Mahito was not Jogo level when he black flashed Todo, maybe after ISBODK sure, but not prior. So it’d be more like 3f Sukuna level, in which case it would be equivalent to 7.5f Sukuna.

That was my bad on the math didnt even realise I used 3x by mistake. But saying FP Mahito is 3F Sukuna level is disgusting downplay of Mahito's power. He was already physically superior to Jogo by ALOT by that point.

Also, Mahito confirmed he was only at about 40% strength as well at the time (actually even less at that point after the continued fighting), so his black flash would be even WEAKER an would be more like 5f Sukuna level at best.

That's not what I'm tryna say, I agree with this. I'm saying that by your logic if Mahito was at full power, and just went ISBODK he would have potency with stuff above 15F Sukuna. And before you talk about the math again let me remind you Mahito has both domain and black flashes. Baseline Mahito would be 5 fingers but let's even say hes 4 to help you a bit. ISBODK would be 8 fingers, even ignoring domain rq, a single black flash from ISBODK Mahito would be 8*2.5 = 20. You think a Black Flash from ISBODK Mahito matches 20F Sukuna in power. That's your logic. Even by your disgusting downplay of mahito, FP ISBODK Mahito's black flash would be 15 fingers level. This is not taking into account how domain would amp Mahito by 120% and so would Black flash temporally. Or how Mahito gets 2x more durable after already being at 120%. So he'd be 12 fingers with ISBODK regularly if he starts at 5 and a black flash would surpass 20F Sukuna. Genuinely who do you think Mahito is and you think Yuji is that awful that when his black flashes when he awakened and took over 7x of them to beat a wheelchair Sukuna who was below his 15F self?

Dismantles are stronger than regular punches from Sukuna. Also Kusakabe straight up does block Sukuna’s dismantles before as well. And those dismantles in the images you showed were also amped by handsigns iirc too.

This is Kusakabe talking by the way, he acknowledges that even regular dismantles at point blank would completley bypass all his defenses and he can't stop them. Sukuna was indeed weaker via everything I just told you.

Maki was also keeping up with that same Sukuna that just blitzed her as well. Also even that Sukuna was able to fend off both Yuji and Maki at the same time with one hand each which is a directly contradiction to the established fact of Toji being faster than 3f Sukuna if 16f Sukuna was only at 10% stats.

Son read what you said, when the hell did Maki keep up with the Sukuna that blitzed her? She kept up when he was holding back, the moment he was brung to ecstacy and didn't hold back she couldn't keep at all and got immediatly taken out.

You know this very interaction directly proves that Maki wasn’t 10% of 16f Sukuna’s stats right? Because Maki got him interested due to her strength and prowess as a fighter which doesn’t make sense if she’s only 1.6f Sukuna level stat wise. The fact that Sukuna went into a state of ecstasy from fighting Maki directly showcases Sukuna literally trying in the fight, which he wouldn’t need to do if she was only 10% of 16f Sukuna strong. Also the dismantles Kusakabe later blocked were without hand signs and done without moving either making them weaker.

1. I'm not saying she's 1.6F Sukuna level stat wise, I'm saying that the finger scaling isn't linear with multiple proof of it contradicting the story.

2. That's not how Sukuna's interest works. He doesn't look at strength and that's it. He had more interest in Higuruma than Yuji, as in the same chapter he calls Yuji a complete bore and uninteresting despite him being stronger.

3. Do you think Maki is a complete god compared to the others? The page itself literally words out Yuta and Kashimo, both who should be at least comparable to Maki in power as amounting to NOTHING compared to how Maki roused his hunger. And right after that Sukuna clarifies what that means:

We see why Sukuna got interested in her, her very existence defied what a sorcerer is and it turned into a clash of ideals for Sukuna what is truly worth developing, sorcerer or body, a role that Sukuna has never had to fullfill, Maki is putting a new role onto Sukuna that he has never thought of being so it interests him.

This was NOT about strength, what is your obsession with getting character writing moments and turning it into character buffs man, you do the same with Dabura.
And Maki getting absolutely blitzed, dogwalked and immediatly kncoked out by a sukuna weaker than 16F does indeed prove that she is nowhere near 16F level. 16F Sukuna would do her like this but even worse, she'd get immediatly killed by that cleave to the face just like Ryu did LOL.

No I didn’t that’s just you straw manning me again.I didn’t say he stopped recording, just that the description might not be shown. And you clearly took issue with the fact of me bringing up Dabura’s light speed kick to show a significant power difference prior.

What description...? What????? And No I didn't.

And you have still yet to prove Dabura did this. Prove Dabura channeled more energy into his fist just to break Mahoraga’s sword. You can’t because it’s pure headcanon from you. Dabura’s body is already reinforced and yet Mahoraga was still able to cut him,

Oh so now Dabura's ENTIRE body is already reinforced yet you were complaining about him not being able to do that to a singular part of his body before, nice backtracking. And I explained right on the rest of the comment so I won't explain here, just go read what you haven't replied to yet.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Forgot to note aswell so will just add this from the message I said:

- Maki is 16F Sukuna level and Dismantles are somehow stronger than sukuna by over 90% despite cleaves one shotting someone who took dismantles (Ryu) while not being able to one shot someone on Sukuna's level physically even in Shrine (Gojo);
- Stabbed in the heart, No hand, just fought gojo, punched by Yuji's soul punches somehow only lost 25% of his power since hes "still 16F sukuna level via blitzing Maki" and finger scaling is "linear";

Tell me you think this is right. (And this also proves your claim of "dismantles > sukuna's punches" wrong since Sukuna and Gojo are obviously comparable physically and not even MULTIPLE cleaves from Shrine can immediatly fatally wound Gojo despite the fact we see via Ryu that the gap between dismantles and cleaves goes as far of not being able to fatally wound someone (dismantle) while the other splits their head in three (cleave). So Gojo is taking MULTIPLE attacks of something that can be a whole tier above dismantles but you are trying to tell me they don't physically scale to... dismantles? Be so fr.

And I genuinely want you to tell with a straight face, "yes Sukuna after he fought Gojo, Kashimo, Yuta and Yuji etc etc all the way to Maki. Only lost 25% OF HIS POWER even after, getting hit with infinite void, got hit by red, black flashed by Gojo, got nuked by hollow purple, got soul punched by Yuji multiple times that weakens his output alot, got blasted with Jacob's ladder within Yuta's domain, got his hand cut off, piereced THROUGH THE HEART, alongside just taking damage in general"
Genuinely who do you think Sukuna is to tank all that and still be at 75%?

Finger scaling is sooo linear!

 

[Electronic74947]

We getting the full fight

 

[BoastJr]

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[Maitreya12]

Dawg usami is NOT a jujutsu higher up how many times will you say this? We literally see him talk about them and be scared of what they're do and thinking of convincing them with evidence cause he isn't of that role:

Dawg, Usami determined Dabura’s strength based off his presence and aura, which we literally see based off of his reaction to Dabura that they’re gauging his strength based on his presence and aura. Do you even know what the conversation is about? That’s what it is, how they’re basing Dabura’s strength. And Usami demonstrates they’re doing so based off his aura, how may times will you try to argue this?

And I already said I agree.


How does that make it not light speed? Yea shocker fiction makes characters talk even when moving at lightspeed even, is fiction new to you or something?

Hey big brain, fiction can also make something not light speed even if you believe it to be light speed. Wow shocker, fiction can make something not be light speed is fiction a first time for you?

"Sub-light" does not mean 1-99% SoL. It means any speed below light with the meaning being literally "At less than the speed of light". By that logic it'd also include mach 3, mach 1, even 1m/s. Are they all immobile? TCB also showed that the actually meaning is "near the speed of light" due to an affix:

Which gets proved right after since the next panel we see of Dabura moving he is already showing relativistic effects of >90% SOL.

No sub-light speed is the equivalent as labeling things “subsonic.” You’re talking about a specific set of speed ranges there, not anywhere from 1m/s to light speed. That’s just plain obvious.

No? Where did I?

And where did I bring up comparing Hanami to Sukuna? What I brought up was the fact that you need Hanami level durability just to survive Mach 3 speeds lol.

Add it and it'd still not go past 9-B, you'd also be capping their lifting strength by the way.

Which still doesn’t matter because they’re being affected by more than just kinetic energy which means that they’re not capped at 9-B.

"read" and you didnt show any evidence of this being the case, notice how I bring up proof of your blunders and you don't because you know you can't track and you're wrong? I wasn't upset at you bringing light speed kick for power read what I said again, I said you are acting like I ever said "Sukuna scales to dabura's accelerated speed". Yea Dabura has the feat of going at that speed which needs durability.

Except I did. Did you happen to miss that little link there clearly showing your obvious mistake and incorrect assertions. I imagine so. And no, you were upset that I brought up the light speed kick in terms of power. Literally read.

This is what the conversation was about. Which was narratively Dabura being much more powerful than Sukuna. I bring up how light speed narratively showcases more POWER than Sukuna and here you are condescendingly remarking about bringing up light speed in our discussion about Dabura showcasing more power than Sukuna.

I have the evidence right here. This is you clearly getting uppity at me brining up the light speed kick in regards to power.

Does this mean Sukuna doesn't have this durability? No, so Dabura having lightspeed acceleration does indeed not prove any narrative contradiction or anything in support of Dabura in terms of raw physical power.

Yes because the light speed kick is demonstratively higher than anything Sukuna has demonstrated before. Both power wise and durability wise, Sukuna has nothing to demonstrate he’s durable enough to withstand what Dabura withstood and so it directly proves Dabura is vastly superior to Sukuna unless you’re able to prove Sukuna has the feats to endure this.

It directly narratively proves as such.

You're saying Dabura...? You forgot to finish the sentence.

Sorry, I was saying “Dabura being this fast proves he’s more durable because going that level of speed requires both power and durability far beyond what Sukuna has demonstrated before.”

So yeah, very different than what you tried to say.

The lightspeed kick's raw power is something no one scales above them. Do you know what the convo is about? It's about them scaling to Dabura handling the near light speeds, NOT to the kick itself. The kick would be superior to Gojo, Sukuna and Dabura's durability by an unquantifiably higher amount. The Kick >> Dabura's Durability ~ Gojokuna's durability. Dabura's durability allows him to withstand the near light speeds so Gojokuna scale to that.

No the convo was about Dabura being narratively far more powerful than Sukuna because of the light speed kick. You were trying to dispute that by saying that going at light speed was only related to speed and not power. You even bolded both of the words in the comment. That’s literally in the link I provided.

We were talking about whether the narrative showed Dabura being far stronger than Sukuna. The light speed travel directly showcases that because that’s narratively far beyond what Gege has demonstrated in the series prior.!

Right before they go to the dismantle, they climbed up a root of the plants to fighting above the city upside down, after the slash, they are no longer on said root, and are back on the street normally, at worst they had to fall to the streets again. You think Tsurika just fell towards the street like an NPC in the same position throughout the entire thing?

No what happened was Maru’s CT deactivated due to the strain of the cursed spirits dying. This flipped them back onto the street again because Maru’s technique flipped them upside down. Tsurika just stayed in the same position as they flipped back as we can literally see them.

Better than them apparently throwing a slash and then suddenly going into the exact same position with the exact same placements all over again lol.

No... you didnt. You didnt even address it.

Yes I did. You also saying Tsurika needing to lunge at Maru doesn’t explain why he got into the exact same position as before. That’s what you’re not addressing, it’s the same position. Same had placement and same blade over the same shoulder, he didn’t move.

I'm even gonna include this you said:

You're just wrong.

"何を狙っている？"
狙って (neratte) literally means aiming/to aim at. The translation of "what are you after" that you're seeing off a translator is telling you that he is after something as in aiming towards something. You know "going after something" can mean "aiming towards something" right

“What are you aiming for” and “what are you after” can also mean and refer to as “what are you doing” or “what are you trying to do” which is exactly what the official translations have then as too. You understand they can be translated as such right?

You didn't explain why he didn't do the second explosion, you literally just went "hes in the same position" as proof after I already explained why he isn't.

I did, him being in the same position is demonstrative to that fact and I already proved why what you said was incorrect. Also if you’re looking at my other comments like the one previously, you should’ve clearly seen the comment of me explaining why he didn’t do the second explosion as well, so I don’t know why you’re claiming I didn’t when you can clearly see that I did:

It’s inconsistent that Tsurika is somehow in the exact same position as before the explosion went off despite apparently throwing a ginormous slash.

It’s inconsistent that Tsurika’s second slash would be “shallow” when their first slash was capable of doing that.

It’s inconsistent that Tsurika would go for the cursed spirits all the way behind Maru instead of just….attacking Maru with that giant powerful strike.

It’s just inconsistent all around.

Dawg I'm just gonna use BiggestOpp for this even:

Okay I’ll just use other’s response.

It's not though you can see only one of his feet touched the ground. He didn't aimed at anything he was positioning and it also doesn't make sense for Rika and Tsurugi to perceive Cursed spirits faster than Maru. Not only that Maru is in between Cursed spirit and Tsurika. So that 90⁰ position you are talking about doesn't make sense if Maru thinks he is aiming at something else when he is in the way.

I explained why it's not via physics, but I wanna note I did not say "it isn't impressive by Jujutsu standards". I said it doesn't compare to Sukuna since it's a bunch of grade 3-4 curses. It means a very small portion of Yuji's dismantle power is enough to keep moving forward and killing them all which is still impressive cause of how range works but I told you why it means nothing towards Sukuna alongside the fact that Tsurika matched it.

And I explained why you’re wrong and how your understanding of physics is incorrect. Ripping 1000 pieces of paper is a lot harder than ripping 1 piece of paper. And no by Jujutsu standards it’s far more impressive than anything Sukuna has ever done. You can’t prove a very small portion of Sukuna’s strength is capable of replicating that same feat, I’ve been asking but you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence that puts him on that same level.

I guess Tsurika just dog walks Sukuna then if they’re the second explosion. Good job showing how the new gen absolutely demolish the god tiers of the old gen.

It's Tsurugi singing a sword... why would he change his grip or position? Especially when he is trying to dash at Maru this time?

Tsurugi didn’t swing his sword. Why would he be in the exact same position as he was in to swing the sword previously to swing at Maru? Why does he even need to lunge at Maru to begin with when his sword slashes can cover kilometer distances? Why is his next cut too shallow when his first cut did all that? Why is nothing around him destroyed from doing such a big slash when simply lunging forward causes the floor to break underneath him?

A textbook does have force compared to a gun though and the gun is a false equivalence as it's energy mostly comes from the caliber of the gun pushing the bullet forward, in this case, the dismantle is being powered by cursed energy throughout the entire movement.

I didn’t say “a” textbook I said line 50 of them in front of a gun and see if the bullet goes through. And no it’s a perfect analogy. A bullet requires a certain level of energy in order to be able to travel such speeds and distance, the gun provides enough energy to do that. Similarly so, Yuji provided enough energy into his dismantle in order for it to be able to travel so far and still be strong enough to destroy all those cursed spirits.

And I don't think you realise the gap between Yuji even if he is equal to Sukuna and a grade 3-4 curse. Grade 3-4 curses have no scaling on the wiki since they are not only below everyone in the show, but grade 3 and 4s curses only have one statement which is being able to be beaten by pistols and wooden bats:

Even using the highest joules here. EVEN USING THE CURRRENT WIKI, Sukuna level AP is currently scaled to 550 kilotons, that's a 2.893499308e+12 gap between Yuji and a grade 3 curse. That's a higher gap than a human and A NUCLEAR BOMB. And that's not even using Dabura's scaling. Yes. Yuji would indeed cut through thousands, even millions of grade 3-4 curses like paper without losing energy even if he is at sukuna's level. You are not seeing the gap here. Just to make sure you don't cry, even the gap between a grade 3 curse and a TANK (tanks are useless against grade 1 curses, aka grade 2 sorcerer level, as seen in the image) is of over 29674x. That's higher than the gap between a human and a literal shrimp by over 100 times. Genuinely no, via physics and the power established in the series, grade 3-4 curses would not remove energy off a sukuna level dismantle after being cut through.

And I don’t think you understand the insane magnitude of Yuji’s feat that he performed here. You keep incorrectly stating the grade of the cursed spirits Yuji exorcised. For one, it wasn’t just grade 3-4, it includes grade 2’s and even some first grade curses as well. “That many” is even direct indication of such as that constitutes that “some” are present in the pile. This was also confirmed in previous chapters, flyheads and smaller spirits are the lower grades, but the larger spirits which escaped the inner part of Tokyo can be grade 2 and beyond. And beyond that, we can see that even those smaller spirits require multiple bullets in order to be able to exorcise. Just one little fly spirit needs multiple shots from a sorcerer to exorcise. And we can see how much dust is produced when they get exorcised. Do you know how many MILLIONS of cursed spirits you’d need to exorcise in order to create a culmination of dust that large?? Those cursed spirits would be MORE DURABLE than a building in average by the way which makes Yuji’s feat even more impressive. To really put the hammer in home, the mid-end calc of Yuji’s feats puts it at 846 kilotons. And as we established that dismantle already lost well beyond the vast majority of its output due to the distance it traveled. Meaning a casual dismantle from Yuji at 0.01% output still produced that large of an explosion. Sukuna’s 550 kiloton value wouldn’t even produce that large of an explosion at 100% output, which would make a 10,000x difference between him and Yuji.

So no you’re wrong, genuinely via physics the presence of so many cursed spirits to produce that large of an explosion requires a significantly greater amount of energy than Sukuna has demonstrated.

You clearly don't understand the INSANE GAP here lol.

You clearly don’t understand the insane difference here lmao.

No it doesn't make your PHYSICAL POTENTIAL greater. Which is what I've been saying. Sure, you can say whatever you want about how he could be a better sorcerer than Gojokuna, how hes more experienced, how he has better techniques and refinement (all headcanon btw) but that doesn't mean his physical potential grew man. That's not how your body works. You could be stuck at 20 years old forever but it doesn't mean you can now grow more than your LATENT potential as a human being. You still have limitations that your body will never be able to overcome, you won't become superman just because you can't age. You'd need to show me a single piece of evidence that shows that being immortal or having a new technique allows you to break your PHYSICAL latent potential. The next part is just answered by this aswell.

Yes it does. The thing that prevents you from reaching your true physical potential is your AGE. Age deteriorates your body which makes your physical pie than lower because your PHYSICAL BODY cannot keep with the strain of physically getting OLDER. If you remain in shape as a 20 year old, then your body can still push itself to bigger heights compared to if your body was 40 years old due to the limitation of age wearing your body down and preventing you from growing stronger. And when it comes to superhuman, Yuji’s body is superhuman to begin with, which even more so greatly enhances the prospect of immortality since his body is naturally superhuman and therefore able to push itself even further to greater heights. And when it comes to your LATENT POTENTIAL, that’s determined by more than just your physical strength, your latent potential is also determined by your capability as a jujutsu sorcerer, which a second technique and immortal body greatly enhanced as well.

He can't feel the energy though? His deduction via his memories can be as simple as "Sukuna is able to beat Jogo quite easily, Yuta seems strong enough to do the same, he could probably handle Sukuna". It doesn't mean he can actually sense the power Sukuna was outputting, memories don't make you just see/feel the output.

He can remember the power that was used because it was his body doing it. Yuji doesn’t think “Sukuna was able to beat Jogo” Yuji would think “Sukuna was able to demolish all of Shibuya in his fight with Jogo and destroyed this whole area when he opened his domain.” There’s no evidence Yuji would be unaware of Sukuna’s power if he literally has the memories of Sukuna showing his power on full display. So yeah he would know the power that was outputted, because Sukuna himself is outputting that power in Yuji’s body and Yuji has the memories of Sukuna utilizing that power in his body.

You proved that Gojo thinks Megumi might have the potential to do that, he never mentions Yuji once since hes putting Yuji below Megumi in potential in the same sentence you showed.

Okay so I’ve proven that Gojo thinks his students can surpass him, fantastic good we got that established. So the fact that Yuji’s potential further increases since Gojo made that statement such as gaining the utilization of two cursed techniques and an immortal body further cements the notion that Yuji’s potential was greater than Gojo as Gojo even believed Yuji’s potential to be as great as his even before knowing Yuji would obtain all this stuff.

As a sorcerer? Sure? Why does that matter in this case if we're talking about a physical stats comparission?

We’re talking about potential to grow stronger. Yuji’s potential to surpass Gojo and Sukuna isn’t limited to physical stats. In fact Yuji’s already surpassed them in that regard because his physical stats is the best in the series since the beginning.

Why does that matter? Yuji's body being superhuman was already being taken into account by Sukuna and Uraume, and age means nothing? Age limits your growth potential, NOT YOUR LATENT POTENTIAL. I swear mean you keep ignoring that they were talking about latent potential here which is something age DOES NOT affect. Age simply affects how much you can grow before you start declining, not how much you can grow in general.

How do you know that? Uruame was the one who said Yuji’s potential was equal to Sukuna and where’s the proof she had knowledge of Yuji having a superhuman body, all she knew was that Kenjaku messed with it but there’s no proof she knew he had a superhuman body. And no incorrect age also affects your LATENT POTENTIAL AS WELL. I swear you’re not keeping track of this conversation by spouting off on unproven nonsense. Age affects your ability to grow in general because your ability to grow is DEPENDENT ON when your body starts declining.

And physical stats aren’t the only thing factored when talking about someone’s LATENT POTENTIAL.

The same image I showed explains to you why his body is superhuman strong naturally, and it's because of Sukuna.

Because of being bred with both a fragment of Sukuan's soul via his twin and having sealed one of his fingers within him, Yuji was born that strong. His power comes from being related to Sukuna man. It's how Kenjaku ensured he had enough strength to be his vessel.

No his power comes from having one of Sukuna’s fingers sealed within him. Literally read your own image. Sukuna says that’s what was necessary in order to strengthen the vessel. It’s not “being related to Sukuna” it’s “having one of Sukuna’s fingers sealed inside him.” That’s where his powers come from which makes him naturally physically stronger than Sukuna since Sukuna’s fingers have added extra properties like cursed energy to it that enhances Yuji’s body to a superhuman level.

That's... not what latent potential is. You are talking about growth potential which is indeed limited by age, latent isn't.

No you’re just incorrect, latent potential still gets limited by age. Literally read the definition:


“The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development,”

Your inherent ability and capacity for growth and development increases once you become immortal.

Except that via everyone watching it we see that they were very much keeping up with the entire fight, the entire time, not only did we get an entire chapter of them narrating the fight and what's hapenning. We see them react to each of their movements via the video an immeasurable amount of times man, even noticing small details like the damage, gojo not using RCT, nosebleeds, what sukuna uses word by word, like oh my god man, and this was when they WERE INDEED moving at their higher paced moments as this was during the beginning. The video does fully capted their movements.

Right which further demonstrates them being beyond 10% of 16f Sukuna stat wise since they’re keeping up with the events of the fight so well and even being able to discern little differences in it such as Yuta noticing the slight difference in domain expansion activations which other people didn’t notice.

Regardless if Mahito was weakened or not, Yuji also was, they were comparable before Mahito used ISBODK so the gap between Yuji and Mahito is indeed 2x regardless.

Yeah but Mahito got hit by the black flash right after his DE before he transformed which Gege confirmed allowed Yuji to be able to fight Mahito. So I don’t know what you’re referring to here.

That was my bad on the math didnt even realise I used 3x by mistake. But saying FP Mahito is 3F Sukuna level is disgusting downplay of Mahito's power. He was already physically superior to Jogo by ALOT by that point.

Being physically superior to Jogo in certain stats doesn’t prove you’re stronger than him. Hanami is physically superior to Jogo by A LOT as well and she’s confirmed to be weaker than Jogo. Mahito wouldn’t be 5f Sukuna level in base. He’d be more comparable to 3f level. In fact it makes sense for him to be 2.5f level in base and be 5f level with his transformation.

That's not what I'm tryna say, I agree with this. I'm saying that by your logic if Mahito was at full power, and just went ISBODK he would have potency with stuff above 15F Sukuna. And before you talk about the math again let me remind you Mahito has both domain and black flashes. Baseline Mahito would be 5 fingers but let's even say hes 4 to help you a bit. ISBODK would be 8 fingers, even ignoring domain rq, a single black flash from ISBODK Mahito would be 8*2.5 = 20. You think a Black Flash from ISBODK Mahito matches 20F Sukuna in power. That's your logic. Even by your disgusting downplay of mahito, FP ISBODK Mahito's black flash would be 15 fingers level. This is not taking into account how domain would amp Mahito by 120% and so would Black flash temporally. Or how Mahito gets 2x more durable after already being at 120%. So he'd be 12 fingers with ISBODK regularly if he starts at 5 and a black flash would surpass 20F Sukuna. Genuinely who do you think Mahito is and you think Yuji is that awful that when his black flashes when he awakened and took over 7x of them to beat a wheelchair Sukuna who was below his 15F self?

No because I don’t think regular Mahito is a 4f level and ISBODK is 8-10f level. Why are you asking me “do I seriously believe this” for a standard and scenario you set up that I expressly told you that I don’t agree with. You’re the one that set this crazy scenario up with these standards, not me, I already told you base Mahito would be 3f Sukuna so ISBODK would be more like 6f Sukuna and a black flash from Mahito would only be around 15f Sukuna level. And by the way, a fully powered ISBODK black flash being able to match a regular punch from Sukuna isn’t that outlandish either. It’s a black flash, it far exceeds a regular punch so that makes sense. Mahito himself also took 3 black flashes from Yuji so yeah that checks out.

This is Kusakabe talking by the way, he acknowledges that even regular dismantles at point blank would completley bypass all his defenses and he can't stop them. Sukuna was indeed weaker via everything I just told you.

But Kusakabe wasn’t hit at point blank by a dismantle so your comparison is moot. I just explained it to you, he blocked the dismantle that Sukuna fired without moving. Kusakabe also helped guard Higuruma from Sukuna’s amped hand sign dismantle.

Son read what you said, when the hell did Maki keep up with the Sukuna that blitzed her? She kept up when he was holding back, the moment he was brung to ecstacy and didn't hold back she couldn't keep at all and got immediatly taken out.

Literally right here where she’s guarding against Sukuna’s attacks. She also directly blocks Sukuna’s black flash with her hand which is also a direct reaction to Sukuna’s attacks while in a state of ecstasy. Look at the pages son

1. I'm not saying she's 1.6F Sukuna level stat wise, I'm saying that the finger scaling isn't linear with multiple proof of it contradicting the story.

You have not provided proof of it being contradicted in the story. You’ve simply false assertions and appealed from incredulity. Finger scaling even gets directly proven by Sukuna eating his corpse which he says constitutes as being equivalent to 1 finger in terms of power. This shows that there’s not a difference in power between the fingers and consuming as there’s a set amount of power each finger has which Sukuna can make up for with his corpse.

2. That's not how Sukuna's interest works. He doesn't look at strength and that's it. He had more interest in Higuruma than Yuji, as in the same chapter he calls Yuji a complete bore and uninteresting despite him being stronger.

No it’s primarily strength and potential yeah. What he saw in Higuruma was his potential and strength as a sorcerer which is what interested him. This is further confirmed by the narrator who made comment about the exceptional talent of Higuruma and Yuta as part of the discussion relating to Sukuna’s interest.

Yuji is a bad example because Sukuna hates Yuji and refuses to acknowledge him. He’s the exception, no the rule.

3. Do you think Maki is a complete god compared to the others? The page itself literally words out Yuta and Kashimo, both who should be at least comparable to Maki in power as amounting to NOTHING compared to how Maki roused his hunger. And right after that Sukuna clarifies what that means:

Again using fan translations again. The official doesn’t say they amount to nothing, just that Maki peaked Sukuna’s interest the most. So your whole point becomes moot on the basis that you’re using botched fan translations instead of official sources, you’re using incorrect sources to determine your argument. Furthermore, Sukuna directly states that their fight is what determines which is stronger, jujutsu sorcerery or the heavenly restricted body. Sukuna saying that their fight will determine such an outcome makes no sense whatsoever if Maki’s only 10% of 16f Sukuna stat wise. It’s a direct compliment to strength Sukuna’s giving her which is consistent with Maki being beyond that level of strength from Sukuna.

We see why Sukuna got interested in her, her very existence defied what a sorcerer is and it turned into a clash of ideals for Sukuna what is truly worth developing, sorcerer or body, a role that Sukuna has never had to fullfill, Maki is putting a new role onto Sukuna that he has never thought of being so it interests him.

This was NOT about strength, what is your obsession with getting character writing moments and turning it into character buffs man, you do the same with Dabura.
And Maki getting absolutely blitzed, dogwalked and immediatly kncoked out by a sukuna weaker than 16F does indeed prove that she is nowhere near 16F level. 16F Sukuna would do her like this but even worse, she'd get immediatly killed by that cleave to the face just like Ryu did LOL.

You’re literally so incorrect lmao, the very point WAS about STRENGTH and Sukuna even directly confirms as such with his statement towards Maki. “The outcome of this fight will prove which is worth developing. Sorcery or body.” It’s literally ALL about strength, Sukuna was overjoyed at the STRENGTH of the body and wanted to know which is more powerful, jujutsu sorcerery or physical prowess. Wha is your obsession with being unable to understand the simple back and forths between the character’s dialogue. It couldn’t be more clear cut to you that Sukuna is talking about Maki’s strength here.

Oh so now Dabura's ENTIRE body is already reinforced yet you were complaining about him not being able to do that to a singular part of his body before, nice backtracking. And I explained right on the rest of the comment so I won't explain here, just go read what you haven't replied to yet.

No I was saying that the specific mechanism you were referring to, which concentrating a significant amount of cursed energy to a single point, like what Todo did for Mahito’s black flash in the example you brought up, wasn’t proven to be done in the case for Dabura breaking Mahoraga’s sword. And that it’s inconsistent with the previous showing of reinforcing to guard something as I’ve explained. And you still have yet to do so and provide proof Dabura did such a maneuver. So your cope is still just that, simply headcanon.

I know you like to misrepresent what I saw and strawman me, but please try and keep track of the conversation. I didn’t backtrack anything, you just failed to address the argument.

 

[Treeztarz]

I’m telling y’all sleeping on the black hole feat, at 1m distance from the initial blackhole radius created by yuki requires low megatons to move even 1 meter back

kenjaku got one shot by a guy who at best falls like 2x below baseline L7B

 

[Arkenis]

Needs a calc first lmao

There's 7 of them

 

[Electronic74947]

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Bruh what are you even arguing about atp its been nearly a week

 

[Electronic74947]

There's 7 of them

You know a lot about those dont you

 

[Arkenis]

You know a lot about those dont you

I know a couple

 

[Electronic74947]

I know a couple

Yeah, seem like the type of guy to make a crt about them

 

[Arkenis]

Sendai Colony vs Kinji Hakari

Hakari goes through the same situation Yuta did. Dhruv -> Kuro -> Uro and Ryu.

vsbattles.com

 

[Saqphire]

Did I just see a mf say Mahito's Blacc Flash being 15F Sukuna level isn't crazy to say???

 

[Electronic74947]

Did I just see a mf say Mahito's Blacc Flash being 15F Sukuna level isn't crazy to say???

must be arkenis

 

[Rodriiogo]

You went back to the same point again im so done man... I'm gonna start just quick firing atp cause I don't need much effort for this level of argumentation.
And holy stop using John Werry's Terrorism level translations man, I'm using TCB for a reason yk I gotta start using the raws to show you that atp since you will keep nitpicking the translation being TCB without realising that TCB's version is more accurate.

Dawg, Usami determined Dabura’s strength based off his presence and aura, which we literally see based off of his reaction to Dabura that they’re gauging his strength based on his presence and aura. Do you even know what the conversation is about? That’s what it is, how they’re basing Dabura’s strength. And Usami demonstrates they’re doing so based off his aura, how may times will you try to argue this?

I asked you to prove that for the higher ups and you failed to do so, you showed me Usami doing that, which I never disagreed.

Hey big brain, fiction can also make something not light speed even if you believe it to be light speed. Wow shocker, fiction can make something not be light speed is fiction a first time for you?

That's shifting the burden. It's an attack that is light-speed you said "X" contradicts it being light-speed I asked it why it does and you tried to shift the burden now. Bad argument.

No sub-light speed is the equivalent as labeling things “subsonic.” You’re talking about a specific set of speed ranges there, not anywhere from 1m/s to light speed. That’s just plain obvious.

Yea which is why the wiki uses a designed gap to subsonic where it's still at least close to sound. Same happens to sublight. One Punch man has an extremely simillar scan with the same Kanji for Dabura being used and said statement got used as near sol and 0.75c was used as the bare minimum as talked about in this thread. This would be the case for Dabura aswell beause of what I said.

And where did I bring up comparing Hanami to Sukuna? What I brought up was the fact that you need Hanami level durability just to survive Mach 3 speeds lol.

Which still doesn’t matter because they’re being affected by more than just kinetic energy which means that they’re not capped at 9-B.

What I meant by that is that you tried to equivalate Naoya as an example of how "durability to go mach 3 is extremely hard inverse" as if Naoya wasnt below hanami in durability, someone that even 3F Sukuna could probably fry.

And it does not matter as even if you add friction it would not get past 9-B so you are indeed capping them at 9-B if you wanna use an obvious inconsistency and durability anti-feat for the verse as proof here.

Except I did. Did you happen to miss that little link there clearly showing your obvious mistake and incorrect assertions. I imagine so. And no, you were upset that I brought up the light speed kick in terms of power. Literally read.

This is what the conversation was about. Which was narratively Dabura being much more powerful than Sukuna. I bring up how light speed narratively showcases more POWER than Sukuna and here you are condescendingly remarking about bringing up light speed in our discussion about Dabura showcasing more power than Sukuna.

I have the evidence right here. This is you clearly getting uppity at me brining up the light speed kick in regards to power.

Read what I said. I simply said that I neer disagreed with the light speed kick being above them that's fine. I said they scale to the durability of the acceleration before he reached light-speed. Which is what the OP in that thread says well, all of that just stacks up to if you think Dabura's durability growing or not which I already explained why it didn't still awaiting for an answer on that.

Yes because the light speed kick is demonstratively higher than anything Sukuna has demonstrated before. Both power wise and durability wise, Sukuna has nothing to demonstrate he’s durable enough to withstand what Dabura withstood and so it directly proves Dabura is vastly superior to Sukuna unless you’re able to prove Sukuna has the feats to endure this.

The light speed kick is not a durability feat as the kick itself completely vaporized his leg. The acceleration before it is what's being taken as durability and the whole point is that his durability did not grow ever since being Sukuna level so it is still Sukuna level during the acceleration.

Sorry, I was saying “Dabura being this fast proves he’s more durable because going that level of speed requires both power and durability far beyond what Sukuna has demonstrated before.”

So yeah, very different than what you tried to say.

Dabura going this fast does not prove he's more durable. Jogo moves faster than Hanami yet gets confirmed to be way less durable, Naobito moves faster than Dagon yet is physically below him, Naoya moves faster than Choso yet Choso was extremely tough compared to him. It is a durability feat for Dabura I won't deny that, what I'm denying is the idea that Sukuna doesn't narratively scale to said feat aswell via everyhing said.

No the convo was about Dabura being narratively far more powerful than Sukuna because of the light speed kick. You were trying to dispute that by saying that going at light speed was only related to speed and not power. You even bolded both of the words in the comment. That’s literally in the link I provided.

Because as I said I think I didn't need to clarify I'm talking about their regular physical power and not the potency of the accelerated kick itself since I literally agreed that the light speed kick is beyond them in my first messages.

We were talking about whether the narrative showed Dabura being far stronger than Sukuna. The light speed travel directly showcases that because that’s narratively far beyond what Gege has demonstrated in the series prior.!

The narrative gave us the inverse that Dabura is on Sukuna's level so they are comparable. It being a higher feat does not matter, it's like if a random grade 1 made a country level feat in modulo and you tried saying "well thats way below what Sukuna did so it doesn't matter that said grade 1 is obviously below Sukuna level". I'm saying Sukuna scales to said durability of accelerating before the kick, not the speed obviously and not the power of the kick itself.

No what happened was Maru’s CT deactivated due to the strain of the cursed spirits dying. This flipped them back onto the street again because Maru’s technique flipped them upside down. Tsurika just stayed in the same position as they flipped back as we can literally see them.

Better than them apparently throwing a slash and then suddenly going into the exact same position with the exact same placements all over again lol.

So you think he fell like a NPC and didn't move. and I already said he went into the exact same position to do another slash but this time with a dash to slice Maru in two.

Yes I did. You also saying Tsurika needing to lunge at Maru doesn’t explain why he got into the exact same position as before. That’s what you’re not addressing, it’s the same position. Same had placement and same blade over the same shoulder, he didn’t move.

...What? It's the same position because that's how you normally slash someone, it's the same hand placement and shoulder because why would he change his grip after slashing once? It's the same blade because... Why would he change the blade the hell?

“What are you aiming for” and “what are you after” can also mean and refer to as “what are you doing” or “what are you trying to do” which is exactly what the official translations have then as too. You understand they can be translated as such right?

He doesn't say what are you aiming for. He says what are you aiming to.
"何を狙っている？"

• 何 - what
• を - is indicating the object of action, aka what is being "狙って" (next part)
• 狙って - aiming at/targeting at, as it's 狙っ connected by "て " which is just a conjuction (that alongside "を" means he is aiming at an objection of action)
• いる - just "to be ...ing" as he is aiming at that very moment as it's an ongoing action.

The phrase is indeed saying he is aiming at something. Which is the whole reason why Maru even turns his head. He realises Tsurugi is aiming at something behind him so he checks and sees the spirits.

I did, him being in the same position is demonstrative to that fact and I already proved why what you said was incorrect. Also if you’re looking at my other comments like the one previously, you should’ve clearly seen the comment of me explaining why he didn’t do the second explosion as well, so I don’t know why you’re claiming I didn’t when you can clearly see that I did:

I already explained why it ain't an "inconsistency" him being in teh same possition"

The second slash was shallow because
1. Maru literally takes Tsurika's attacks before I don't know why you're surprised
2. Tsurugi can't fully percieve the soul. He is using the Soul Split katana which requires you to have the eyes of someone that can observe the souls of even inorganic matter to fully exert it's power and bypass someone's toughness.

Extra Point. Do you genuinely think Rika had all the hype of "just swing and I will decide on the damage to make a shallow cut on Maru instead of the big slash to cut the curses? You think Rika chose to just make a shallow cut on Maru instead of putting more of the Yuta energy that literally shocks Maru? The long ranged slash to cut the curses was done with Rika outputting CE to make said CE Slash, the second slash was Tsurugi going in for a dash cut on Maru but due to how he can't fully percieve the soul and Maru's toughness not being fodder it ended up being too shallow.

And Tsurika wanted to kill the curses because they'd just cause even more trouble you know, he was fighting for his sister while being a 17 year old that right after said slash on Maru immediatly gives up because he felt he was wrong.

Okay I’ll just use other’s response.

This response has nothing to do with your point but to answer that unrelated point, Elde simply understood what I said 90º towards is. The cursed spirits are above Maru, so Tsurugi is positioned with his sword 90º but a bit upwards above Maru's own head which is why Maru realises he is aiming at something that isn't him and looks back.

And I explained why you’re wrong and how your understanding of physics is incorrect. Ripping 1000 pieces of paper is a lot harder than ripping 1 piece of paper. And no by Jujutsu standards it’s far more impressive than anything Sukuna has ever done. You can’t prove a very small portion of Sukuna’s strength is capable of replicating that same feat, I’ve been asking but you have yet to provide a single piece of evidence that puts him on that same level.

I guess Tsurika just dog walks Sukuna then if they’re the second explosion. Good job showing how the new gen absolutely demolish the god tiers of the old gen.

I proved that 10% of 15F Sukuna's strength is capable of harming CG Yuji and Awakened Maki which is better than 0.01% killing grade 3-4 curses. Even IF IT'S STILL IMPRESSIVE. I will have to repeat myself here, I am not disagreeing Yuji's feat is decent, but saying it proves he eclipses Sukuna is pure headcanon and cope. I will explain more why your 1000 pieces of paper example is still wrong later in the other part.

Or... the explosion is not at Sukuna's level because of what I explained.

Why does he even need to lunge at Maru to begin with when his sword slashes can cover kilometer distances?

Why is nothing around him destroyed from doing such a big slash when simply lunging forward causes the floor to break underneath him?

I will answer this two questions since the rest I already did above. Stop repeating points, it's annoying.
The reason he lunches at Maru is because he is attacking him with the Soul Split Katana this time and not with a Cursed Energy Slash, the soul split katana is way more of a sure win.

And in the same way that Sukuna and Yuji creating powerful slashes doesn't destroy anything, in fact we see it pass just above a building and cause 0 destruction.

Why would Tsurugi's if it was also aiming upwards.

I didn’t say “a” textbook I said line 50 of them in front of a gun and see if the bullet goes through. And no it’s a perfect analogy. A bullet requires a certain level of energy in order to be able to travel such speeds and distance, the gun provides enough energy to do that. Similarly so, Yuji provided enough energy into his dismantle in order for it to be able to travel so far and still be strong enough to destroy all those cursed spirits.

I told you the example doesn't work cause the gap between the textbook and grade 3-4s for Yuji is hundreds of thousands of times bigger than the gap you're talking about here so there would be no loss in energy due to how miniscule of a force it would apply on the slash via newton's law.

And I don’t think you understand the insane magnitude of Yuji’s feat that he performed here. You keep incorrectly stating the grade of the cursed spirits Yuji exorcised. For one, it wasn’t just grade 3-4, it includes grade 2’s and even some first grade curses as well. “That many” is even direct indication of such as that constitutes that “some” are present in the pile.

Read what your own scan says. Miyaguni is saying that grade 2 and above curses do exist but that they wouldn't panic because of it unlike the low grade ones which obviously will. That's why she says the problem isn't quality but quantity, she knows they could wipe out every curse that will panic even with the sorcerers she had at her adantage in front of her but theres just way too many of them.

This was also confirmed in previous chapters, flyheads and smaller spirits are the lower grades, but the larger spirits which escaped the inner part of Tokyo can be grade 2 and beyond.

Your own scan is debunking you. She says that grade 2 and above spirits would be an issue yes

And beyond that, we can see that even those smaller spirits require multiple bullets in order to be able to exorcise. Just one little fly spirit needs multiple shots from a sorcerer to exorcise. And we can see how much dust is produced when they get exorcised. Do you know how many MILLIONS of cursed spirits you’d need to exorcise in order to create a culmination of dust that large??

This is... a grade 3 curse. The panel I showed tells you that a pistol can handle grade 3 curses, that's what it does here. And Dust

Those cursed spirits would be MORE DURABLE than a building in average by the way which makes Yuji’s feat even more impressive.

Where is the evidence for this?

To really put the hammer in home, the mid-end calc of Yuji’s feats puts it at 846 kilotons.

Incorrect, this is the current accepted end for the feat here on the wiki. The biggest dust cloud (prob Yuji's) is 150.18 Kilotons.

And as we established that dismantle already lost well beyond the vast majority of its output due to the distance it traveled. Meaning a casual dismantle from Yuji at 0.01% output still produced that large of an explosion. Sukuna’s 550 kiloton value wouldn’t even produce that large of an explosion at 100% output, which would make a 10,000x difference between him and Yuji. So no you’re wrong, genuinely via physics the presence of so many cursed spirits to produce that large of an explosion requires a significantly greater amount of energy than Sukuna has demonstrated.

That is not how you do it. The slash would start at 100% and SLOWLY deplete across kilometers. It took 4 kilometers for a holow purple to lose 80% of it's output and via that calculation, the bigger cloud has a radius of ~5.29km. Yuji would have to output enough energy so the energy loss to travel that much without going to 0% output. Using hollow purple as a benchmark, it loses 20% Output per km. Yuji's dismantle fully lost output after around 10.5km. So it would lose around ~9.5% of his output per kilometer.

Doing the calculations correctly and not just multipliyying it since you're acting like the dismantle STARTED at 0.01% output, it would only be around those 800 Kilotons at best, or somewhat slightly above it. Crazy "10,000x difference" huh? And mind you the scaling for sukuna is just completley downplayed and wrong right now but I'm going with it to tell you, it doesn't matter lmao.

Yes it does. The thing that prevents you from reaching your true physical potential is your AGE. Age deteriorates your body which makes your physical pie than lower because your PHYSICAL BODY cannot keep with the strain of physically getting OLDER. If you remain in shape as a 20 year old, then your body can still push itself to bigger heights compared to if your body was 40 years old due to the limitation of age wearing your body down and preventing you from growing stronger.

Your body still has limitations. You could be 20 for a million years you are never getting past a certain threshold since that's just how the human body works. It has physical limitations regardless of how much you train, train and push yourself. Every body has a limit regardless of age or how much training is put into it.

And when it comes to superhuman, Yuji’s body is superhuman to begin with, which even more so greatly enhances the prospect of immortality since his body is naturally superhuman and therefore able to push itself even further to greater heights. And when it comes to your LATENT POTENTIAL, that’s determined by more than just your physical strength, your latent potential is also determined by your capability as a jujutsu sorcerer, which a second technique and immortal body greatly enhanced as well.

I already said why immortality doesn't matter, and the latent potential here wasn't talking about his capability as a sorcerer but his raw power/strength. The way the conclusion is reached is by just talking about strength, nothing about techniques or his abilities is even thought cause that's not what they are talking about. A immortal body and a second technique doesn't change anything.

He can remember the power that was used because it was his body doing it. Yuji doesn’t think “Sukuna was able to beat Jogo” Yuji would think “Sukuna was able to demolish all of Shibuya in his fight with Jogo and destroyed this whole area when he opened his domain.” There’s no evidence Yuji would be unaware of Sukuna’s power if he literally has the memories of Sukuna showing his power on full display. So yeah he would know the power that was outputted, because Sukuna himself is outputting that power in Yuji’s body and Yuji has the memories of Sukuna utilizing that power in his body.

How would he know the power that was outputted via its... dc. Especially when the DC itself was not that big if you dont remember. The DESTRUCTION itself is like town level which is indeed below (or with the random downplay that ppl will pull out) relative to Yuta's power. The reason Fuga scales so high isn't its destructive range but it's thermobaric explosions (high J/CC) that happen on every inch of the domain via embuing every inch of it with explosive cursed energy.

Okay so I’ve proven that Gojo thinks his students can surpass him, fantastic good we got that established. So the fact that Yuji’s potential further increases since Gojo made that statement such as gaining the utilization of two cursed techniques and an immortal body further cements the notion that Yuji’s potential was greater than Gojo as Gojo even believed Yuji’s potential to be as great as his even before knowing Yuji would obtain all this stuff.

Except his potential doesn't increase, you're wrong so it doesn't matter.

We’re talking about potential to grow stronger. Yuji’s potential to surpass Gojo and Sukuna isn’t limited to physical stats. In fact Yuji’s already surpassed them in that regard because his physical stats is the best in the series since the beginning.

Yuji has one of the best physical stats in the verse WITHOUT CURSED ENERGY. His physical stats weren't even grade 1 level and were barely grade 2 at the beginning, Nanami literally says his physical stats are only 120% above the average sorcerer in the school arc.

How do you know that? Uruame was the one who said Yuji’s potential was equal to Sukuna and where’s the proof she had knowledge of Yuji having a superhuman body, all she knew was that Kenjaku messed with it but there’s no proof she knew he had a superhuman body. And no incorrect age also affects your LATENT POTENTIAL AS WELL. I swear you’re not keeping track of this conversation by spouting off on unproven nonsense. Age affects your ability to grow in general because your ability to grow is DEPENDENT ON when your body starts declining.

You think everyone else could feel it but Uraume, someone who straight up goes further and even feels Sukuna's renmants inside him did not realise "damn hes strong physically"? Genuinely what do you mean.

Age does indeed not affect your latent potential, i gave you the definition of what it is.

No his power comes from having one of Sukuna’s fingers sealed within him. Literally read your own image. Sukuna says that’s what was necessary in order to strengthen the vessel. It’s not “being related to Sukuna” it’s “having one of Sukuna’s fingers sealed inside him.” That’s where his powers come from which makes him naturally physically stronger than Sukuna since Sukuna’s fingers have added extra properties like cursed energy to it that enhances Yuji’s body to a superhuman level.

...

Because of being bred with both a fragment of Sukuan's soul via his twin and having sealed one of his fingers within him, Yuji was born that strong. His power comes from being related to Sukuna man. It's how Kenjaku ensured he had enough strength to be his vessel.

I acknowledged that? It still means the power of his body is connected to Sukuna, and Yuji being connected to a fragment of Sukuna's soul itself is just another factor. You just repeated my point, it still means his potential comes from Sukuna hence why it equals Sukuna lmao.

“The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development,”

Your inherent ability and capacity for growth and development increases once you become immortal.

Capacity of growth doesn't increase once you become immortal. You just have more time to reach said limit of your body.

Right which further demonstrates them being beyond 10% of 16f Sukuna stat wise since they’re keeping up with the events of the fight so well and even being able to discern little differences in it such as Yuta noticing the slight difference in domain expansion activations which other people didn’t notice.

IT'S A VIDEO.
Normal humans would watch the same thing they do during the live stream. That's simply how the crows work. She is broadcasting what the crows see country-wide so people can watch the fight.

Yeah but Mahito got hit by the black flash right after his DE before he transformed which Gege confirmed allowed Yuji to be able to fight Mahito. So I don’t know what you’re referring to here.

Doesn't make the gap not 2x. Yuji couldn't harm Mahito without Black Flash due to the 2x gap.

Being physically superior to Jogo in certain stats doesn’t prove you’re stronger than him. Hanami is physically superior to Jogo by A LOT as well and she’s confirmed to be weaker than Jogo. Mahito wouldn’t be 5f Sukuna level in base. He’d be more comparable to 3f level. In fact it makes sense for him to be 2.5f level in base and be 5f level with his transformation.

I won't even bother with your disgusting Mahito downplay that'd be a whole another convo but may I say the fact you think Jogo is 5F level but would be one shotted by 5F attacks is funny (since unless u think that it'd mean hanami and mahito have 5F durability regardless lmao?)

No because I don’t think regular Mahito is a 4f level and ISBODK is 8-10f level. Why are you asking me “do I seriously believe this” for a standard and scenario you set up that I expressly told you that I don’t agree with. You’re the one that set this crazy scenario up with these standards, not me, I already told you base Mahito would be 3f Sukuna so ISBODK would be more like 6f Sukuna and a black flash from Mahito would only be around 15f Sukuna level. And by the way, a fully powered ISBODK black flash being able to match a regular punch from Sukuna isn’t that outlandish either. It’s a black flash, it far exceeds a regular punch so that makes sense. Mahito himself also took 3 black flashes from Yuji so yeah that checks out.

"A black flash from Mahito would only be around 15F sukuna level"
Genuinely laughed.

Shibuya Yuji took more damage against a singular Black Flash from Mahito than a Sukuna (WHO WAS WEAKER THAN HIS 15F SELF BY THIS POINT BY A LOT) took from Awakened Yuji stacking MULTIPLE black flashes on him.

Genuinely stop being ignorant and ignoring blatant issues with your awful scaling. A Yuji who was way, way WAAAAY stronger than ISBODK Mahito was doing less damage to a Sukuna way weaker than his 15F version despite stacking Black Flashes constantly. They (Mahito and Shibuya Yuji) obviously do not stack up to 15F Sukuna level even with flashes if even Awakened Yuji was only doing this, what do you mean man.

But Kusakabe wasn’t hit at point blank by a dismantle so your comparison is moot. I just explained it to you, he blocked the dismantle that Sukuna fired without moving. Kusakabe also helped guard Higuruma from Sukuna’s amped hand sign dismantle.

That does indeed not disprove that Sukuna was way weaker which was the point lol. Kusakabe was straight up even blocking his dismantles WITHOUT SIMPLE DOMAIN. Something he couldn't do normally.

Literally right here where she’s guarding against Sukuna’s attacks. She also directly blocks Sukuna’s black flash with her hand which is also a direct reaction to Sukuna’s attacks while in a state of ecstasy. Look at the pages son

You think that's... keeping up? She saw Sukuna coming towards her from meters away and positioned herself to block, Sukuna punched her sword away, grabbed it and immediatly black flashed her taking her out. That's not keeping up like... at all.

You have not provided proof of it being contradicted in the story. You’ve simply false assertions and appealed from incredulity. Finger scaling even gets directly proven by Sukuna eating his corpse which he says constitutes as being equivalent to 1 finger in terms of power. This shows that there’s not a difference in power between the fingers and consuming as there’s a set amount of power each finger has which Sukuna can make up for with his corpse.

Prove that said growth between fingers is linear. You still haven't done that.

Im too lazy to respond to the everything and your points give me brain damage. Its all things I already responded or won't matter because you can't even prove the first premise of your point or still haven't even responded to a previous message of mine.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Did I just see a mf say Mahito's Blacc Flash being 15F Sukuna level isn't crazy to say???

You didn't even see anything this guy said man.

Wait until you see the "Maki is 16F level" or the "Sukuna only got around 25% weaker compared to his 20F FP after Gojo, Kashimo, Higuruma, Yuta, Yuji etc etc until he reached Maki."

The fact people are agreeing with him saying stuff like that is killing me

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

"Maki is 16F level"
"Mahito black flash on 15f level"
"Tsurugi didn't perform the slash"
"Dabura CE control so ass that he can't perform a todo level feat"

I need y'all to stop talking about jjk I'm so serious

 

[AthelChan]

woah woah woah what happened here? anyone can TLDR me?

 

[Electronic74947]

"Tsurugi didn't perform the slash"

He didn't but thats okay

 

[Electronic74947]

woah woah woah what happened here? anyone can TLDR me?

something something mahito = sukuna fingered 15 times.

 

[Treeztarz]

woah woah woah what happened here? anyone can TLDR me?

 

[Electronic74947]

can't see it cause i'm british, what it say

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

He didn't but thats okay

He literally did but we're all acting dumb

 

[Electronic74947]

He literally did but we're all acting dumb

watch the anime show it just be yuji

 

[OjeTheArcher15]

watch the anime show it just be yuji

???

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

"Maki is 16F level"
"Mahito black flash on 15f level"
"Tsurugi didn't perform the slash"
"Dabura CE control so ass that he can't perform a todo level feat"

I need y'all to stop talking about jjk I'm so serious

one of these is not like the otbers.
but yeah, i agree with you

 

[KnightDark_990]

jjk peak human

Small downgrade jjk

CRT mid Downgrade from low-mid tiers to below wall-small building level. Special grade curses can be inferior to cluster bombs. Cluster bombs=wall-small building level. Downgrade general ranks from high tiers to below superhuman level; they don't have 0.01-second perception (that's only...

vsbattles.com

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Wildest CRT I've seen this month for sure. Not even sure what kind of downplay this counts as.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Wildest CRT I've seen this month for sure. Not even sure what kind of downplay this counts as.

JJK fans are special grade downgraders

 

[AthelChan]

Wildest CRT I've seen this month for sure. Not even sure what kind of downplay this counts as.

it's all about agenda for JJK Fans

 

[Treeztarz]

can't see it cause i'm british, what it say

"whole house mad" with a bunch of people fighting

 

[Maitreya12]

You went back to the same point again im so done man... I'm gonna start just quick firing atp cause I don't need much effort for this level of argumentation.
And holy stop using John Werry's Terrorism level translations man, I'm using TCB for a reason yk I gotta start using the raws to show you that atp since you will keep nitpicking the translation being TCB without realising that TCB's version is more accurate.

Yeah and you’re repeating the same debunked arguments again. So I’m gonna be fast with my responses as well. Trying to use TCB scans over official translations by the way is only setting up for failure since TCB translations can be even far worse than John Werry’s and literally just be straight wrong like when they translated Todo’s vibraslap as ‘SLICE’ for Yuta.

I asked you to prove that for the higher ups and you failed to do so, you showed me Usami doing that, which I never disagreed.

And I asked you to prove the higher ups of Jujutsu society have an accurate read on Dabura’s capabilities and not aura scaling like Usami, you failed to do so. Usami doing it is all we have to go off of, if you have evidence that the Jujutsu higher ups used a more accurate method of determining Dabura’s strength you still have yet to provide such evidence.

That's shifting the burden. It's an attack that is light-speed you said "X" contradicts it being light-speed I asked it why it does and you tried to shift the burden now. Bad argument.

No it’s not. I literally told you the reason why it contradicts being light speed and you said “it’s jus fiction bro it can happen all the time” and I responded with informing you that fiction can include making things not light speed that you might think are, which you never disputed. Bad response.

Yea which is why the wiki uses a designed gap to subsonic where it's still at least close to sound. Same happens to sublight. One Punch man has an extremely simillar scan with the same Kanji for Dabura being used and said statement got used as near sol and 0.75c was used as the bare minimum as talked about in this thread. This would be the case for Dabura aswell beause of what I said.

Okay so you just straight up debunked your own argument since that one punch man thread directly proves we don’t need to consider it above 90% sol. And that’s not what you said, you said it just wouldn’t be considered >90%. So no that’s not what you said.

What I meant by that is that you tried to equivalate Naoya as an example of how "durability to go mach 3 is extremely hard inverse" as if Naoya wasnt below hanami in durability, someone that even 3F Sukuna could probably fry.

Again you keep ignoring the argument and also incorrect on the assertion. Naoya’s below Hanami in durability when he’s not traveling at Mach 3. When he goes into Mach 3 his body becomes much more durable in order to survive such speeds. This means that merely Mach 3 speeds requires at least Hanami level durability, someone noted for their very high defense.

And it does not matter as even if you add friction it would not get past 9-B so you are indeed capping them at 9-B if you wanna use an obvious inconsistency and durability anti-feat for the verse as proof here.

And it absolutely did matter because as I keep explaining to you, kinetic energy isn’t the only thing to worry about. Who cares if you can handle 9-B levels of kinetic energy if you have no heat resistance and will burn up even attempting to reach those travel speeds. You keep trying to latch onto kinetic energy when I’m telling you that’s not the thing to worry about for them here.

Read what I said. I simply said that I neer disagreed with the light speed kick being above them that's fine. I said they scale to the durability of the acceleration before he reached light-speed. Which is what the OP in that thread says well, all of that just stacks up to if you think Dabura's durability growing or not which I already explained why it didn't still awaiting for an answer on that.

Nope, read what you said. You were taking issue with the very fact that I brought up the light speed kick as an example of power. Furthermore you even admitted to the light speed kick being far above them in power, and yet here you are saying you disagree with the light speed kick being above them. Make it make sense, the contradictions going on is wild.

Read what the conversation was about. You asked me to show a feat that narratively washes Sukuna, I brought up the light speed kick, and you took issue with that because it was apparently only for “speed” and not “power” which you even bolded.

The light speed kick is not a durability feat as the kick itself completely vaporized his leg. The acceleration before it is what's being taken as durability and the whole point is that his durability did not grow ever since being Sukuna level so it is still Sukuna level during the acceleration.

Yes it is. The fact he still has part of his leg remaining after a light speed kick is still a durability feat for Dabura. And the acceleration before the kick is also a feat that’s a direct example of Dabura being far superior to Sukuna in terms of power and durability, as I’ve explained and you took issue with.

Dabura going this fast does not prove he's more durable. Jogo moves faster than Hanami yet gets confirmed to be way less durable, Naobito moves faster than Dagon yet is physically below him, Naoya moves faster than Choso yet Choso was extremely tough compared to him. It is a durability feat for Dabura I won't deny that, what I'm denying is the idea that Sukuna doesn't narratively scale to said feat aswell via everyhing said.

Yes it does. We’re not talking about relative standards of speeds here, we’re talking about orders of magnitudes of difference. It’s an established fact that the higher speed you go the more durability is required, and Dabura’s speed puts his durability far far higher than anything Sukuna has demonstrated. It’s a narrative sweep off of that alone because his feats are vastly so much superior to Sukuna’s.

Because as I said I think I didn't need to clarify I'm talking about their regular physical power and not the potency of the accelerated kick itself since I literally agreed that the light speed kick is beyond them in my first messages.

Yeah and the regular physical power of Dabura traveling at near light speed is still far beyond anything Sukuna has demonstrated. So it’s still a sweep and the point still remains which you disagreed with. The physical power from traveling at light speed demonstrates a narrative superiority to Sukuna as it’s a much higher feat than anything he’s previously performed.

The narrative gave us the inverse that Dabura is on Sukuna's level so they are comparable. It being a higher feat does not matter, it's like if a random grade 1 made a country level feat in modulo and you tried saying "well thats way below what Sukuna did so it doesn't matter that said grade 1 is obviously below Sukuna level". I'm saying Sukuna scales to said durability of accelerating before the kick, not the speed obviously and not the power of the kick itself.

No the narrative had Dabura washing Sukuna the moment his act as a warrior began being revealed and shown feats that Sukuna isn’t comparable to. It’s like if Dabura just blew up Jupiter with his technique and you tried saying “well he’s obviously equal to Sukuna so it doesn’t matter if what Dabura did is way beyond what Sukuna did.” I’m saying Sukuna does not scale to Dabura and his physicals for accelerated kick as they literally knew nothing about him or his technique and Dabura showed an increase in stats after he gained his warrior mentality and started accelerating which further distinguishes him from Sukuna scaling to him.

So you think he fell like a NPC and didn't move. and I already said he went into the exact same position to do another slash but this time with a dash to slice Maru in two.

Ah so you didn’t address what I said at all and opted to repeat yourself. Gotcha I’ll be sure to quote my previous responses and use them instead of typing out new ones if that’s the way this conversation’s gonna go.

...What? It's the same position because that's how you normally slash someone, it's the same hand placement and shoulder because why would he change his grip after slashing once? It's the same blade because... Why would he change the blade the hell?

No you don’t normally slash someone by placing your blade over your shoulder first. That’s literally not how people get normally slashed lmao. Why would his hand placement and grip be in the exact same position before and after the slash. He’s not holding the sword with both hands, he’s striking a pose, so why is he doing the exact same pose without moving before and after the slash if he apparently did the slash lmao.

He doesn't say what are you aiming for. He says what are you aiming to.

"何を狙っている？"

• 何 - what
• を - is indicating the object of action, aka what is being "狙って" (next part)
• 狙って - aiming at/targeting at, as it's 狙っ connected by "て " which is just a conjuction (that alongside "を" means he is aiming at an objection of action)
• いる - just "to be ...ing" as he is aiming at that very moment as it's an ongoing action.

The phrase is indeed saying he is aiming at something. Which is the whole reason why Maru even turns his head. He realises Tsurugi is aiming at something behind him so he checks and sees the spirits.

You’re incorrect with the translations. The kanji can in fact be for a goal or particular object someone is after. For example:

兄 は 大学 に いけるように 奨学金 を 狙っている 。translates into “My brother has his eye on a scholarship so he can go to college.”

私達 は みんな 成功 を 狙っている。Whixh translates into “All of us aim at success.”

彼はひそかにあなたの財産を狙っていますよ。translates into “He has designs on your property.”

If Maru were saying Tsurugi was aiming for the cursed spirits, the phrase would loom more like:

猟師たちは銃でその象をねらった。Or “The hunters aimed at the elephant.”

彼はライフルを拾い上げ、それで標的をねらった。which translates to “He picked up the rifle and aimed it at the target.”

狙う #sentences - Jisho.org

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I already explained why it ain't an "inconsistency" him being in teh same possition"

And I already explained why it is an inconsistency. You didn’t even bother to explain why he’s in the exact same position either, just said “that’s how you normally swing” when there’s no evidence he always has to pose before doing a swing.

The second slash was shallow because

1. Maru literally takes Tsurika's attacks before I don't know why you're surprised

That doesn’t explain at all why the cut is shallow. Maru has never taken a cut from the SSK blade and Rika before. It makes no sense why this cut would suddenly be shallow when his previous cut wasn’t.

2. Tsurugi can't fully percieve the soul. He is using the Soul Split katana which requires you to have the eyes of someone that can observe the souls of even inorganic matter to fully exert its power and bypass someone's toughness.

Yeah and that still doesn’t explain why the cut is shallow. Tsurugi would’ve killed Maru if he followed through on the final strike, the cut wouldn’t have been shallow then, so why was it suddenly shallow when he previously performed this giant slash. You didn’t explain the inconsistency at all lmao.

Extra Point. Do you genuinely think Rika had all the hype of "just swing and I will decide on the damage to make a shallow cut on Maru instead of the big slash to cut the curses? You think Rika chose to just make a shallow cut on Maru instead of putting more of the Yuta energy that literally shocks Maru? The long ranged slash to cut the curses was done with Rika outputting CE to make said CE Slash, the second slash was Tsurugi going in for a dash cut on Maru but due to how he can't fully percieve the soul and Maru's toughness not being fodder it ended up being too shallow.

You think Rika did all that extra hype of throwing a giant slash kilometers wide only for their next attack to be so shallow it barely cuts through a rock and leaves a paper cut on Maru. You can’t even prove Rika is capable of doing a CE slash that distance away in the main series and yet somehow she does one now only for her to make a shallow cut the second time around.

But as an extra point though, even if this slash is Tsurika this doesn’t change my argument since that CE is the CE that Yuta built up over decades, which means it can easily surpass and be above Sukuna by however much it wants.

And Tsurika wanted to kill the curses because they'd just cause even more trouble you know, he was fighting for his sister while being a 17 year old that right after said slash on Maru immediatly gives up because he felt he was wrong.

This page actually even further proves the inconstancy since Tsurugi confirmed he could’ve killed Maru with his previous slash that he didn’t follow through with and yet the second slash was so shallow in comparison, which is inconsistent with the scale of the supposed first slash. Tsurika was aiming for an opportunity to get at Maru and swing his blade at the right moment, which is why he capitalizes on Maru getting distracted.

This response has nothing to do with your point but to answer that unrelated point, Elde simply understood what I said 90º towards is. The cursed spirits are above Maru, so Tsurugi is positioned with his sword 90º but a bit upwards above Maru's own head which is why Maru realises he is aiming at something that isn't him and looks back.


I proved that 10% of 15F Sukuna's strength is capable of harming CG Yuji and Awakened Maki which is better than 0.01% killing grade 3-4 curses. Even IF IT'S STILL IMPRESSIVE. I will have to repeat myself here, I am not disagreeing Yuji's feat is decent, but saying it proves he eclipses Sukuna is pure headcanon and cope. I will explain more why your 1000 pieces of paper example is still wrong later in the other part.

And I proved those slashes from Sukuna are far far inferior to the slash Yuji pulled in Modulo by the fact that CG Yuji was able to withstand a whole bombardment of those slashes from 16f Sukuna at 10% while 0.01% of Yuji’s power can EXORCISE AN ENTIRE ARMY OF CURSES.

I will have to repeat myself here because you STILL have failed to actually provide evidence or address the point in question. It was an entire army of cursed spirits that Yuji exorcised, what you showed doesn’t prove that those dismantles from Sukuna would exorcise an entire army of cursed spirits like Yuji did.

Or... the explosion is not at Sukuna's level because of what I explained.

Or the explosion is far more impressive than Sukuna as I’ve explained. Still waiting for you to provide proof 0.01% of Sukuna’s power is enough to kill an entire army of grade 2-4 and even some first grade curses included all at once.

I will answer this two questions since the rest I already did above. Stop repeating points, it's annoying.

So then stop repeating your points. It’s annoying.

The reason he lunches at Maru is because he is attacking him with the Soul Split Katana this time and not with a Cursed Energy Slash, the soul split katana is way more of a sure win.

This makes no sense and even further directly contradicts what you said. Tsurugi didn’t have soul awareness so SSK doesn’t provide any more added boost. And if it did, then Tsurugi’s cut towards Maru should’ve been much more lethal and not shallow at all if SSK is better directly than throwing a CE slash. You just provided even more inconsistencies.

Also it’s headcanon to say Tsurugi did a CE slash since there’s no evidence he’s capable of performing that.

And in the same way that Sukuna and Yuji creating powerful slashes doesn't destroy anything, in fact we see it pass just above a building and cause 0 destruction.

Why would Tsurugi's if it was also aiming upwards.

I’m not saying it would’ve damaged the buildings, I’m talking about the environment around Tsurugi. We saw that even just lunging at Maru led to the ground underneath Tsurugi’s feet to break, and yet somehow throwing this ginormous slash doesn’t do any damage at all. Further inconsistent.

I told you the example doesn't work cause the gap between the textbook and grade 3-4s for Yuji is hundreds of thousands of times bigger than the gap you're talking about here so there would be no loss in energy due to how miniscule of a force it would apply on the slash via newton's law.

And I already told you that what you said doesn’t work because we’re talking about Yuji exorcising millions of curses here, enough to produce kilometer high explosions as well as the fact that the durability between the cursed spirits and Yuji wouldn’t be as vast as there are higher grade curses in the mix such as second and even first grade curses which you keep trying to ignore.

Read what your own scan says. Miyaguni is saying that grade 2 and above curses do exist but that they wouldn't panic because of it unlike the low grade ones which obviously will. That's why she says the problem isn't quality but quantity, she knows they could wipe out every curse that will panic even with the sorcerers she had at her adantage in front of her but theres just way too many of them.

How about you read the scan. Shall I quote it for you? Miyaguni says “I doubt many cursed spirits above grade 2 would flee Tokyo.” Did you read that right? It says “above” grade 2, which means that grade 2 curses are mixed into the swarm. And she says “that many” above grade 2 which means that there are “some” first grade curses in there as well. And also you’re incorrect, because the jujutsu sorcerers directly worry about the higher grade cursed spirits leaking out of Tokyo like grade 2 and above and Miyaguni confirms that when that happens, like what was shown to happen in the Dabura fight with an excess number of curses leaking, they wouldn’t be able to handle it and it would lead into another Shibuya and Culling Games incident.

That’s the whole reason Yuji needed to step in, because so many more curses than they expected started leaking out of Tokyo which would include the grade 2 an above cursed spirits as part of the pile that Yuji exorcised.

Your own scan is debunking you. She says that grade 2 and above spirits would be an issue yes

Oh so you mean exactly what happened as an excess number of cursed spirits leaked out of Tokyo than they expected which is why they needed Yuji to step in and help. So this directly just proved my point in fact. Especially due to the increase in number of curses from the canceling of the purification process too.

This is... a grade 3 curse. The panel I showed tells you that a pistol can handle grade 3 curses, that's what it does here. And Dust

That’s not a regular gun lol. And that’s a jujutsu sorcerer using a high powered rifle with cursed energy in it (as you need CE to exorcise cursed spirits) and even that needed multiple shots to take down. And yeah dust, a small amount of it, to produce the amount of dust Yuji did would need A LOT of cursed spirits to be exorcised at once.

Where is the evidence for this?

Right here. We can see that the bigger curses like the ones Yuji killed with his dismantle can easily tear through buildings. We can also see grade 2 cursed spirits be able to damage Megumi and cause significant damage to the buildings, which those cursed would be included in the ones Yuji exorcised.

Incorrect, this is the current accepted end for the feat here on the wiki. The biggest dust cloud (prob Yuji's) is 150.18 Kilotons.

And so my point remains the same. Also adding together all the values since Yuji would be responsible for both of them would result in being closer to 400 kilotons.

That is not how you do it. The slash would start at 100% and SLOWLY deplete across kilometers. It took 4 kilometers for a holow purple to lose 80% of its output and via that calculation, the bigger cloud has a radius of ~5.29km. Yuji would have to output enough energy so the energy loss to travel that much without going to 0% output. Using hollow purple as a benchmark, it loses 20% Output per km. Yuji's dismantle fully lost output after around 10.5km. So it would lose around ~9.5% of his output per kilometer.

That is exactly how you do it. You just completely misunderstood the argument or the math. For Yuji to produce the EXPLOSION despite the loss of output traveling that many kilometers would lead to substantially greater levels of strength. The dismantle didn’t fully lose output because of the distance, it fully lost output because of the mass amount of cursed spirits it hit. You understand that right? Gojo’s HP lost 80% of strength just off of distance alone, what caused Yuji’s dismantle to stop was hitting the cursed spirits, not the distance it traveled. So your calculation is completely nonsensical.

Like for example, if Yuji’s dismantle lost 99.9% of its output traveling towards the cursed spirits and still produced an explosion of 800 kilotons of energy once it reached and hit the cursed spirits, that means Yuji’s dismantle is 1000x stronger normally and therefor worth 80,000 kilotons. Or like 25x Sukuna’s 550 kiloton value.

Doing the calculations correctly and not just multipliyying it since you're acting like the dismantle STARTED at 0.01% output, it would only be around those 800 Kilotons at best, or somewhat slightly above it. Crazy "10,000x difference" huh? And mind you the scaling for sukuna is just completley downplayed and wrong right now but I'm going with it to tell you, it doesn't matter lmao.

Well you clearly didn’t do the calculations correctly cause you forgot to factor in the fact that Yuji’s dismantle fully lost output due to hitting the cursed spirits, not from traveling 10km. Doing the calculations correctly would factor in how much energy the attack lost from the distance it traveled, determine how much energy the explosion generated, and multiply by the difference in order to get an accurate gauge on the strength of the feat. Crazy “calculation” there huh.

So like with the 800 kiloton value. If Yuji’s dismantle lost 99.9% output and still produced an 800 kiloton explosion by the time it reached the curses, then that means it started with an output of 80,000 kilotons, which is 150x greater than Sukuna’s 550 kiloton value.

And I’m not acting like it started at 0.01% output lmao, read. I’m saying when it reaches the distances to produce the explosion it was at 0.01% output or something like that. You were the one that even brought up this point in the first place about how it was only like 0.5% output or whatever.

Your body still has limitations. You could be 20 for a million years you are never getting past a certain threshold since that's just how the human body works. It has physical limitations regardless of how much you train, train and push yourself. Every body has a limit regardless of age or how much training is put into it.

Okay but that doesn’t dispute that your latent potential still grows by becoming immortal. If it would take you say 50 years of training before you hit your physical limit, however you can only train for 20 years before your body naturally starts declining due to age after, then you becoming immortal raised your potential since your body’s age was preventing you from being able to obtain your theoretical physical limit.

I already said why immortality doesn't matter, and the latent potential here wasn't talking about his capability as a sorcerer but his raw power/strength. The way the conclusion is reached is by just talking about strength, nothing about techniques or his abilities is even thought cause that's not what they are talking about. A immortal body and a second technique doesn't change anything.

And I already explained to you why immortality does matter and no the latent potential was talking about his capability as a sorcerer. Uruame doesn’t say “equal to Sukuna but only physically” she says “equal potential to Sukuna” which is in general. There’s no proof she’s only referring to your physical potential only and not potential and capabilities as a sorcerer as well, that’s just headcanon on your part. An immortal body and a second technique changes everything.

How would he know the power that was outputted via its... dc. Especially when the DC itself was not that big if you dont remember. The DESTRUCTION itself is like town level which is indeed below (or with the random downplay that ppl will pull out) relative to Yuta's power. The reason Fuga scales so high isn't its destructive range but it's thermobaric explosions (high J/CC) that happen on every inch of the domain via embuing every inch of it with explosive cursed energy.

Because he has the memory of the power that was outputted. He has the memory of Sukuna using his body which would include Sukuna outputting CE in order to fight just like how Yuji remembers Sukuna activating his domain. Also this was the biggest DC feat to date that Yuji would witness. And Yuji would’ve directly witnessed the explosion and heat that would result from Sukuna using Fuga as well.

Except his potential doesn't increase, you're wrong so it doesn't matter.

Except it does. I’ve explained why you’re wrong so what you say doesn’t matter.

Yuji has one of the best physical stats in the verse WITHOUT CURSED ENERGY. His physical stats weren't even grade 1 level and were barely grade 2 at the beginning, Nanami literally says his physical stats are only 120% above the average sorcerer in the school arc.

Yeah that’s what physical stats means. Without cursed energy. Yuji was also directly fighting the grade 1 level sorcerer Higuruma without any cursed energy as well.

You think everyone else could feel it but Uraume, someone who straight up goes further and even feels Sukuna's renmants inside him did not realise "damn hes strong physically"? Genuinely what do you mean.

So what you’re saying is you’re using headcanon and assumptions, gotcha. There’s no evidence Uruame knows of Yuji’s superhuman body. All she mentions is that she felt something reminiscent of Sukuna from Yuji, which makes sense since even down to their appearances they look similar.

Age does indeed not affect your latent potential, i gave you the definition of what it is.

Age does in fact affect your latent potential. I literally gave you the definition and explained how it did.

I acknowledged that? It still means the power of his body is connected to Sukuna, and Yuji being connected to a fragment of Sukuna's soul itself is just another factor. You just repeated my point, it still means his potential comes from Sukuna hence why it equals Sukuna lmao.

But not his physical body. What connected are Sukuna’s fingers which have extra properties such as cursed energy to it, which just proves the power isn’t from a pure physical relation. In fact you just directly proved my point because Uruame mentioning Yuji’s potential from the information that he gained strength from Sukuna’s finger is directly related to the potential of being a sorcerer since his finger is a jujutsu special grade item.

Capacity of growth doesn't increase once you become immortal. You just have more time to reach said limit of your body.

Yes it does as I’ve explained. The limit to your body is limited by age, once age goes away, the limit to your body increases.

IT'S A VIDEO.
Normal humans would watch the same thing they do during the live stream. That's simply how the crows work. She is broadcasting what the crows see country-wide so people can watch the fight.

Amazing and we have VIDEOS of jets that move at Mach 7 or the movement of light being captured on video, and?

Doesn't make the gap not 2x. Yuji couldn't harm Mahito without Black Flash due to the 2x gap.

Yes it does. Yuji’s black flash after Mahito’s domain weakened him to the point where Mahito’s ISBODK wasn’t a full 2x difference between him and Yuji anymore. He was still stronger and more durable, but not to the same point he would’ve been.

I won't even bother with your disgusting Mahito downplay that'd be a whole another convo but may I say the fact you think Jogo is 5F level but would be one shotted by 5F attacks is funny (since unless u think that it'd mean hanami and mahito have 5F durability regardless lmao?)


"A black flash from Mahito would only be around 15F sukuna level"
Genuinely laughed.

Nice job lying and strawmanning me. How about you quite what I actually said which was “a black flash from Mahito would be equivalent to a regular punch from Sukuna.” Also your argument from incredulity is just that, you coping with no argument.

Shibuya Yuji took more damage against a singular Black Flash from Mahito than a Sukuna (WHO WAS WEAKER THAN HIS 15F SELF BY THIS POINT BY A LOT) took from Awakened Yuji stacking MULTIPLE black flashes on him.

The difference between being locked in and actively engaged in a fight while black flash amped vs watching your best friend have their eye blown up right in front of you while the other guy lines up for a sneak attack as you’re literally mourning your friend with tears in your eyes. This is the comparison you wanted to bring?

Like gee I wonder why Shibuya Yuji took so much damage from that black flash. Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that Yuji’s literally staring right at Nobara’s downed body or anything lmao.

Genuinely stop being ignorant and ignoring blatant issues with your awful scaling. A Yuji who was way, way WAAAAY stronger than ISBODK Mahito was doing less damage to a Sukuna way weaker than his 15F version despite stacking Black Flashes constantly. They (Mahito and Shibuya Yuji) obviously do not stack up to 15F Sukuna level even with flashes if even Awakened Yuji was only doing this, what do you mean man.

So funny that you try to call others ignorant when you jus tried to compare Yuji looking at Nobara’s “dead” body and being hit by a black flash off guard by Mahito to a locked in Yuji that’s black flash amped literally staring right at Sukuna. The amount of ignorance and delusion to make such a comparison is insane actually.

That does indeed not disprove that Sukuna was way weaker which was the point lol. Kusakabe was straight up even blocking his dismantles WITHOUT SIMPLE DOMAIN. Something he couldn't do normally.

Are you literally not reading? The images in your link has Kusakabe LITERALLY saying he’s using simple domain in order to increase his reactions and defense.

You think that's... keeping up? She saw Sukuna coming towards her from meters away and positioned herself to block, Sukuna punched her sword away, grabbed it and immediatly black flashed her taking her out. That's not keeping up like... at all.

That is directly keeping up. Sukuna wasn’t that far away from her so the fact that she could react and block his attack is indeed factual evidence of her keeping up with him, cope all you want about it. And she even reached to the black flash itself which further shows she’s capable of reacting to him.

Prove that said growth between fingers is linear. You still haven't done that.

Im too lazy to respond to the everything and your points give me brain damage. Its all things I already responded or won't matter because you can't even prove the first premise of your point or still haven't even responded to a previous message of mine.

Yeah I can feel my IQ dropping the longer I keep talking with you. I already responded to each one of your points and the other things you say don’t matter because they’re entirely based on headcanon with evidence presented for proof of this nonsense. This discussion just gets tiring when all you keep doing is strawmanning me or misrepresent my argument no matter how clear I make it to you.

 

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Yeah and you’re repeating the same debunked arguments again. So I’m gonna be fast with my responses as well. Trying to use TCB scans over official translations by the way is only setting up for failure since TCB translations can be even far worse than John Werry’s and literally just be straight wrong like when they translated Todo’s vibraslap as ‘SLICE’ for Yuta.

And I asked you to prove the higher ups of Jujutsu society have an accurate read on Dabura’s capabilities and not aura scaling like Usami, you failed to do so. Usami doing it is all we have to go off of, if you have evidence that the Jujutsu higher ups used a more accurate method of determining Dabura’s strength you still have yet to provide such evidence.

No it’s not. I literally told you the reason why it contradicts being light speed and you said “it’s jus fiction bro it can happen all the time” and I responded with informing you that fiction can include making things not light speed that you might think are, which you never disputed. Bad response.

Okay so you just straight up debunked your own argument since that one punch man thread directly proves we don’t need to consider it above 90% sol. And that’s not what you said, you said it just wouldn’t be considered >90%. So no that’s not what you said.

Again you keep ignoring the argument and also incorrect on the assertion. Naoya’s below Hanami in durability when he’s not traveling at Mach 3. When he goes into Mach 3 his body becomes much more durable in order to survive such speeds. This means that merely Mach 3 speeds requires at least Hanami level durability, someone noted for their very high defense.

And it absolutely did matter because as I keep explaining to you, kinetic energy isn’t the only thing to worry about. Who cares if you can handle 9-B levels of kinetic energy if you have no heat resistance and will burn up even attempting to reach those travel speeds. You keep trying to latch onto kinetic energy when I’m telling you that’s not the thing to worry about for them here.

Nope, read what you said. You were taking issue with the very fact that I brought up the light speed kick as an example of power. Furthermore you even admitted to the light speed kick being far above them in power, and yet here you are saying you disagree with the light speed kick being above them. Make it make sense, the contradictions going on is wild.

Read what the conversation was about. You asked me to show a feat that narratively washes Sukuna, I brought up the light speed kick, and you took issue with that because it was apparently only for “speed” and not “power” which you even bolded.

Yes it is. The fact he still has part of his leg remaining after a light speed kick is still a durability feat for Dabura. And the acceleration before the kick is also a feat that’s a direct example of Dabura being far superior to Sukuna in terms of power and durability, as I’ve explained and you took issue with.

Yes it does. We’re not talking about relative standards of speeds here, we’re talking about orders of magnitudes of difference. It’s an established fact that the higher speed you go the more durability is required, and Dabura’s speed puts his durability far far higher than anything Sukuna has demonstrated. It’s a narrative sweep off of that alone because his feats are vastly so much superior to Sukuna’s.

Yeah and the regular physical power of Dabura traveling at near light speed is still far beyond anything Sukuna has demonstrated. So it’s still a sweep and the point still remains which you disagreed with. The physical power from traveling at light speed demonstrates a narrative superiority to Sukuna as it’s a much higher feat than anything he’s previously performed.

No the narrative had Dabura washing Sukuna the moment his act as a warrior began being revealed and shown feats that Sukuna isn’t comparable to. It’s like if Dabura just blew up Jupiter with his technique and you tried saying “well he’s obviously equal to Sukuna so it doesn’t matter if what Dabura did is way beyond what Sukuna did.” I’m saying Sukuna does not scale to Dabura and his physicals for accelerated kick as they literally knew nothing about him or his technique and Dabura showed an increase in stats after he gained his warrior mentality and started accelerating which further distinguishes him from Sukuna scaling to him.

Ah so you didn’t address what I said at all and opted to repeat yourself. Gotcha I’ll be sure to quote my previous responses and use them instead of typing out new ones if that’s the way this conversation’s gonna go.

No you don’t normally slash someone by placing your blade over your shoulder first. That’s literally not how people get normally slashed lmao. Why would his hand placement and grip be in the exact same position before and after the slash. He’s not holding the sword with both hands, he’s striking a pose, so why is he doing the exact same pose without moving before and after the slash if he apparently did the slash lmao.

You’re incorrect with the translations. The kanji can in fact be for a goal or particular object someone is after. For example:

兄 は 大学 に いけるように 奨学金 を 狙っている 。translates into “My brother has his eye on a scholarship so he can go to college.”

私達 は みんな 成功 を 狙っている。Whixh translates into “All of us aim at success.”

彼はひそかにあなたの財産を狙っていますよ。translates into “He has designs on your property.”

If Maru were saying Tsurugi was aiming for the cursed spirits, the phrase would loom more like:

猟師たちは銃でその象をねらった。Or “The hunters aimed at the elephant.”

彼はライフルを拾い上げ、それで標的をねらった。which translates to “He picked up the rifle and aimed it at the target.”

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And I already explained why it is an inconsistency. You didn’t even bother to explain why he’s in the exact same position either, just said “that’s how you normally swing” when there’s no evidence he always has to pose before doing a swing.

That doesn’t explain at all why the cut is shallow. Maru has never taken a cut from the SSK blade and Rika before. It makes no sense why this cut would suddenly be shallow when his previous cut wasn’t.

Yeah and that still doesn’t explain why the cut is shallow. Tsurugi would’ve killed Maru if he followed through on the final strike, the cut wouldn’t have been shallow then, so why was it suddenly shallow when he previously performed this giant slash. You didn’t explain the inconsistency at all lmao.

You think Rika did all that extra hype of throwing a giant slash kilometers wide only for their next attack to be so shallow it barely cuts through a rock and leaves a paper cut on Maru. You can’t even prove Rika is capable of doing a CE slash that distance away in the main series and yet somehow she does one now only for her to make a shallow cut the second time around.

But as an extra point though, even if this slash is Tsurika this doesn’t change my argument since that CE is the CE that Yuta built up over decades, which means it can easily surpass and be above Sukuna by however much it wants.

This page actually even further proves the inconstancy since Tsurugi confirmed he could’ve killed Maru with his previous slash that he didn’t follow through with and yet the second slash was so shallow in comparison, which is inconsistent with the scale of the supposed first slash. Tsurika was aiming for an opportunity to get at Maru and swing his blade at the right moment, which is why he capitalizes on Maru getting distracted.

And I proved those slashes from Sukuna are far far inferior to the slash Yuji pulled in Modulo by the fact that CG Yuji was able to withstand a whole bombardment of those slashes from 16f Sukuna at 10% while 0.01% of Yuji’s power can EXORCISE AN ENTIRE ARMY OF CURSES.

I will have to repeat myself here because you STILL have failed to actually provide evidence or address the point in question. It was an entire army of cursed spirits that Yuji exorcised, what you showed doesn’t prove that those dismantles from Sukuna would exorcise an entire army of cursed spirits like Yuji did.

Or the explosion is far more impressive than Sukuna as I’ve explained. Still waiting for you to provide proof 0.01% of Sukuna’s power is enough to kill an entire army of grade 2-4 and even some first grade curses included all at once.

So then stop repeating your points. It’s annoying.

This makes no sense and even further directly contradicts what you said. Tsurugi didn’t have soul awareness so SSK doesn’t provide any more added boost. And if it did, then Tsurugi’s cut towards Maru should’ve been much more lethal and not shallow at all if SSK is better directly than throwing a CE slash. You just provided even more inconsistencies.

Also it’s headcanon to say Tsurugi did a CE slash since there’s no evidence he’s capable of performing that.

I’m not saying it would’ve damaged the buildings, I’m talking about the environment around Tsurugi. We saw that even just lunging at Maru led to the ground underneath Tsurugi’s feet to break, and yet somehow throwing this ginormous slash doesn’t do any damage at all. Further inconsistent.

And I already told you that what you said doesn’t work because we’re talking about Yuji exorcising millions of curses here, enough to produce kilometer high explosions as well as the fact that the durability between the cursed spirits and Yuji wouldn’t be as vast as there are higher grade curses in the mix such as second and even first grade curses which you keep trying to ignore.

How about you read the scan. Shall I quote it for you? Miyaguni says “I doubt many cursed spirits above grade 2 would flee Tokyo.” Did you read that right? It says “above” grade 2, which means that grade 2 curses are mixed into the swarm. And she says “that many” above grade 2 which means that there are “some” first grade curses in there as well. And also you’re incorrect, because the jujutsu sorcerers directly worry about the higher grade cursed spirits leaking out of Tokyo like grade 2 and above and Miyaguni confirms that when that happens, like what was shown to happen in the Dabura fight with an excess number of curses leaking, they wouldn’t be able to handle it and it would lead into another Shibuya and Culling Games incident.

That’s the whole reason Yuji needed to step in, because so many more curses than they expected started leaking out of Tokyo which would include the grade 2 an above cursed spirits as part of the pile that Yuji exorcised.

Oh so you mean exactly what happened as an excess number of cursed spirits leaked out of Tokyo than they expected which is why they needed Yuji to step in and help. So this directly just proved my point in fact. Especially due to the increase in number of curses from the canceling of the purification process too.

That’s not a regular gun lol. And that’s a jujutsu sorcerer using a high powered rifle with cursed energy in it (as you need CE to exorcise cursed spirits) and even that needed multiple shots to take down. And yeah dust, a small amount of it, to produce the amount of dust Yuji did would need A LOT of cursed spirits to be exorcised at once.

Right here. We can see that the bigger curses like the ones Yuji killed with his dismantle can easily tear through buildings. We can also see grade 2 cursed spirits be able to damage Megumi and cause significant damage to the buildings, which those cursed would be included in the ones Yuji exorcised.

And so my point remains the same. Also adding together all the values since Yuji would be responsible for both of them would result in being closer to 400 kilotons.

That is exactly how you do it. You just completely misunderstood the argument or the math. For Yuji to produce the EXPLOSION despite the loss of output traveling that many kilometers would lead to substantially greater levels of strength. The dismantle didn’t fully lose output because of the distance, it fully lost output because of the mass amount of cursed spirits it hit. You understand that right? Gojo’s HP lost 80% of strength just off of distance alone, what caused Yuji’s dismantle to stop was hitting the cursed spirits, not the distance it traveled. So your calculation is completely nonsensical.

Like for example, if Yuji’s dismantle lost 99.9% of its output traveling towards the cursed spirits and still produced an explosion of 800 kilotons of energy once it reached and hit the cursed spirits, that means Yuji’s dismantle is 1000x stronger normally and therefor worth 80,000 kilotons. Or like 25x Sukuna’s 550 kiloton value.

Well you clearly didn’t do the calculations correctly cause you forgot to factor in the fact that Yuji’s dismantle fully lost output due to hitting the cursed spirits, not from traveling 10km. Doing the calculations correctly would factor in how much energy the attack lost from the distance it traveled, determine how much energy the explosion generated, and multiply by the difference in order to get an accurate gauge on the strength of the feat. Crazy “calculation” there huh.

So like with the 800 kiloton value. If Yuji’s dismantle lost 99.9% output and still produced an 800 kiloton explosion by the time it reached the curses, then that means it started with an output of 80,000 kilotons, which is 150x greater than Sukuna’s 550 kiloton value.

And I’m not acting like it started at 0.01% output lmao, read. I’m saying when it reaches the distances to produce the explosion it was at 0.01% output or something like that. You were the one that even brought up this point in the first place about how it was only like 0.5% output or whatever.

Okay but that doesn’t dispute that your latent potential still grows by becoming immortal. If it would take you say 50 years of training before you hit your physical limit, however you can only train for 20 years before your body naturally starts declining due to age after, then you becoming immortal raised your potential since your body’s age was preventing you from being able to obtain your theoretical physical limit.

And I already explained to you why immortality does matter and no the latent potential was talking about his capability as a sorcerer. Uruame doesn’t say “equal to Sukuna but only physically” she says “equal potential to Sukuna” which is in general. There’s no proof she’s only referring to your physical potential only and not potential and capabilities as a sorcerer as well, that’s just headcanon on your part. An immortal body and a second technique changes everything.

Because he has the memory of the power that was outputted. He has the memory of Sukuna using his body which would include Sukuna outputting CE in order to fight just like how Yuji remembers Sukuna activating his domain. Also this was the biggest DC feat to date that Yuji would witness. And Yuji would’ve directly witnessed the explosion and heat that would result from Sukuna using Fuga as well.

Except it does. I’ve explained why you’re wrong so what you say doesn’t matter.

Yeah that’s what physical stats means. Without cursed energy. Yuji was also directly fighting the grade 1 level sorcerer Higuruma without any cursed energy as well.

So what you’re saying is you’re using headcanon and assumptions, gotcha. There’s no evidence Uruame knows of Yuji’s superhuman body. All she mentions is that she felt something reminiscent of Sukuna from Yuji, which makes sense since even down to their appearances they look similar.

Age does in fact affect your latent potential. I literally gave you the definition and explained how it did.

But not his physical body. What connected are Sukuna’s fingers which have extra properties such as cursed energy to it, which just proves the power isn’t from a pure physical relation. In fact you just directly proved my point because Uruame mentioning Yuji’s potential from the information that he gained strength from Sukuna’s finger is directly related to the potential of being a sorcerer since his finger is a jujutsu special grade item.

Yes it does as I’ve explained. The limit to your body is limited by age, once age goes away, the limit to your body increases.

Amazing and we have VIDEOS of jets that move at Mach 7 or the movement of light being captured on video, and?

Yes it does. Yuji’s black flash after Mahito’s domain weakened him to the point where Mahito’s ISBODK wasn’t a full 2x difference between him and Yuji anymore. He was still stronger and more durable, but not to the same point he would’ve been.

Nice job lying and strawmanning me. How about you quite what I actually said which was “a black flash from Mahito would be equivalent to a regular punch from Sukuna.” Also your argument from incredulity is just that, you coping with no argument.

The difference between being locked in and actively engaged in a fight while black flash amped vs watching your best friend have their eye blown up right in front of you while the other guy lines up for a sneak attack as you’re literally mourning your friend with tears in your eyes. This is the comparison you wanted to bring?

Like gee I wonder why Shibuya Yuji took so much damage from that black flash. Does it maybe have something to do with the fact that Yuji’s literally staring right at Nobara’s downed body or anything lmao.

So funny that you try to call others ignorant when you jus tried to compare Yuji looking at Nobara’s “dead” body and being hit by a black flash off guard by Mahito to a locked in Yuji that’s black flash amped literally staring right at Sukuna. The amount of ignorance and delusion to make such a comparison is insane actually.

Are you literally not reading? The images in your link has Kusakabe LITERALLY saying he’s using simple domain in order to increase his reactions and defense.

That is directly keeping up. Sukuna wasn’t that far away from her so the fact that she could react and block his attack is indeed factual evidence of her keeping up with him, cope all you want about it. And she even reached to the black flash itself which further shows she’s capable of reacting to him.

Yeah I can feel my IQ dropping the longer I keep talking with you. I already responded to each one of your points and the other things you say don’t matter because they’re entirely based on headcanon with evidence presented for proof of this nonsense. This discussion just gets tiring when all you keep doing is strawmanning me or misrepresent my argument no matter how clear I make it to you.

 

[Treeztarz]

 

[Saqphire]

These nincompoops are just straight yapping atp

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Leagues below BiggestOpp still

 

[Treeztarz]

ts is like looking at any thread chariot is in minus the irrational anger