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Introduction
This crt will aim to add 2 feats for the saiyans in the cell saga:- Base Future Gohan scaling above Namek God Tiers
- Base Epilogue Future Trunks above Imperfect Cell and the future cyborgs
- Me writing down the new scaling chain that would need to be added for the Manga Speed and AP blogs
In the Dragon Ball Manga we get a bonus chapter covering the History of Trunks TV Special called "Trunks The History - The Lone Warrior" before Goku and Cells fight, however the manga chapter differs majorly from the TV special.
In the manga chapter we see a one armed Future Gohan sparring with a young SS Trunks, however Trunks is visibly more exhausted then Gohan who's holding him back with his one arm meaning Gohan should be superior
The second question is how strong is this Future Trunks? This is 3 years before he fights the androids and goes to the past (for the first time). Well I'll be sourcing this interview: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translat...sked-akira-toriyama-sensei-saiyan-special-qa/
A) To become a Super Saiyan you need to train to a certain amount of Battle Power and have a certain amount of S-Cells, and once u reach the correct amount of both a type of trigger will allow ur S-Cells to increase and turn u into a Super Saiyan.
B) To increase your S-Cells you either need to train, have a gentle spirit (the best way), live in a peaceful environment like earth or inherit a lot of S-Cells. Most Saiyans have some, but not a great quantity of S-Cells.
Goku's training increases his S-Cells and as we know he's pure of heart (two more examples) which is the best way to quicky increase ur S-Cells, and he also lives on Earths gentle environment which is another way to increase S-Cells. So Goku has the best factors to increase his S-Cells and therefore people like Future Trunks don't fit those factors like Goku exactly does (This is why Toriyama says Super Saiyan came easy for him) would need at least a higher battle power then he did on Namek by training.
2: Epilogue Future Trunks
After Gohan defeats Cell and Trunks returns to his Future where we see him quickly dispose of Cyborg 18 and 17, however peace hasn't been restored yet due to Cell. Trunks sets up a trap for Cell and he hits Cell with a kiai who doesn't react to it until he's hit with it and the force is so great he's sent kilometers away from the city. Now how strong is this version of Cell? Well Cell tells Trunks that he couldn't defeat 17 or 18, let alone me. "Let alone me" by oxford definition means to indicate something far less likely or possible then the former.
At the end of the Epilogue Trunks is 3 years older then the earlier Epilogue Trunks who kills 17 and 18 or the one in the Cell Games, so this only scales to End of Epilouge Future Trunks and no Cell Games Saiyans (Should be fine to apply it to Buu Saga characters who constantly trained for 7 years instead of 3 years).
And finally Android Saga Future Trunks was weaker then the Future Cyborgs
3: The final scaling chain:
A) SS Future Trunks > SS Future Gohan > Base Future Trunks > Base Future Gohan > SS Future Trunks (Pre 3 year Timeskip) >= SS Namek Goku
B) Base Epilogue Trunks > Future Imperfect Cell > Future 17 > SS Future Trunks > SS Future Gohan
This means the use of Future 17 beating a 1 year younger Future Gohan at less then 50% can't be used anymore, because we can't scale that younger Future Gohan to his 1 year older self who has scaling above SS Future Trunks (pretimeskip) and instead were using current Base Future Gohan being 50 x SS Namek Goku
Rebunks
This is never stated or implied. It's in character for Future Trunks to defeat his opponents as quick as possible, unlike the pureblood saiyans Trunks doesn't have the same lust for battle or even the warrior characteristics the other Z Fighters share. He just wants to restore peace to his future by quickly ending the threats that caused 20 years of suffering. The same logic applies to Future Trunks showing off SS to King Cold and Mecha Freeza.
It's in character for Cell Saga Trunks and Vegeta to not use Grade 2 even in a life and death situation, they've obviously started followed Goku's path of Mastering the original Super Saiyan form.
Yes Grade 4 is a higher level or at the same "highest level" as Grade 3 and Goku's base was weaker then Vegeta's (Vegeta surpassed Goku pre ROSAT base to base and then Vegeta spends more than double the time Goku did training in the ROSAT). Meaning Grade 4 would give a higher multiplier then Grade 3.
However they haven't mastered SS to the extent Goku has otherwise they'd be stronger than Goku. There in between Grade 1 and 4 like how Grade 2 inflates ur muscles, but Grade 3 does it to a higher extent.
Kiais aren't always meant to damage the opponent and instead can be used to simply blow away the opponent away (and Goku is not holding back here, because he was maximizing his power during attacking). Trunks himself states "we shouldn't fight in the city they've rebuilt so much", so he's using a non destructive kiai that only pushes the opponent. Kuririn here confirms being able to push ur opponent away far is a feat and Trunks sends Cell far outside of the West Capital which is basically country sized on the Earth maps, and i doubt it's off guard when Trunks is telegraphing this hard and Cell sees it as a feat.
Actually in the Moro Arc we see how rewarding the yardrat training can be. Vegeta has to first balance his spirit just like Goku did (note Vegeta's was far less stable). Vegeta then fights Yuzun after balancing his spirit who in his transformed state is stated to be unbeatable by Saganbo, however Vegeta perception blitzes Yuzun. Saganbo himself knocked out SS3 Goku, so yes Yardrat training can give you a big amp.
Agree Everything: @AwkguyDB @Tuxidoe_Redo @Mgebrat282
Agree Future Gohan only:
Agree Epilouge Trunks only:
Disagree: @Robo432343
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