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It's Time For 8-C Batman Again

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Currently, Batman and co are scaling to the 0.24 tons value thanks to Batman surviving an explosion. What bothers me is that the 8-C Tier starts at 0.25 tons, the different here is 0.01 tons which is completely irrelevant. I don't even know why the calc has "RIP 8-C Batman" like upscaling isn't here to make him 8-C. But since I don't want to upgrade him without feats a bit of logic, here comes some feats:

He was able to tank a stronger version of Killer Croc, stated to be getting stronger and stronger and even harm him with a kick. And again happened with a stronger Killer Croc, I gotta confirm but I believe this is the same Killer Croc that has the 8-C durability feat currently indexed. The reason I'm using Croc is cause he's constantly getting stronger, so at one point he'd surpass the 0.24 tons value by a considerable margin.

Also, when I was writing this CRT I read my Batman RT again and calculated a new 8-C feat. Keep in mind that this calc is a huge low-end considering that the building being only 17.5m wide is very weird considering that's how a human would look like near it. And also, Batman was most likely at the epicenter of the explosion, considering his cape was on fire and it's mostly fire-proof, so the explosion needed to be real close to him.

I re-did the calculation again with much more accurate informations and now with Batman's durability calculated. The funny part is that when talking with Armor off-site we found out that the feat is currently being used, but it's heavily downplayed. Here is the calc again, the new value is 0.98 tons which is also 8-C.
 
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Not particularly knowledgeable on Batman scaling (only read Year One and elseworlds stories, not much scaling not already indexed)

But yeah I don't see any problems with this since the calcs have been accepted. I have one question tho, is there a place where I can find all the implications and statements that Killer Croc gets "constantly stronger"? The profile doesn't really do a good job at that.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Also, when I was writing this CRT I read my Batman RT again and calculated a new 8-C feat. Keep in mind that this calc is a huge low-end considering that the building being only 17.5m wide is very weird considering that's how a human would look like near it. And also, Batman was most likely at the epicenter of the explosion, considering his cape was on fire and it's mostly fire-proof, so the explosion needed to be real close to him.
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Well this being a lowball is a problem if you're trying to prove consistency. It's in reality a High 8-C feat or higher. Calc frag, it's probably High 8-C, redo pixel scaling using floor height and it's probably High 8-C, do both and...

I don't have an issue with the thread but I don't think this calc can be used.
 
HenshinIntervention said:
Not particularly knowledgeable on Batman scaling (only read Year One and elseworlds stories, not much scaling not already indexed)

But yeah I don't see any problems with this since the calcs have been accepted. I have one question tho, is there a place where I can find all the implications and statements that Killer Croc gets "constantly stronger"? The profile doesn't really do a good job at that.
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It's in the thread and also here.
Armorchompy said:
Well this being a lowball is a problem if you're trying to prove consistency. It's in reality a High 8-C feat or higher. Calc frag, it's probably High 8-C, redo pixel scaling using floor height and it's probably High 8-C, do both and...

I don't have an issue with the thread but I don't think this calc can be used.
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Well I can do that.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Forgot to mention, Control + F and type "stronger".
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Oh my bad I was under the impression that there are more scans beyond the two you have on the OP, though considering the first scan basically saying "the uglier he gets, the worse his mutation is" already implies that his condition is making him stronger and faster.
 
I re-did the calc again and updated the OP. I didn't know the feat was being used, but the current calc is very, very downplayed. I calculated the true size of the building that was destroyed and also Batman's durability. @KLOL506 and @Dalesean027 since I updated the calc I have to inform you guys about it. Armor already left his evaluation though.
 
LordTracer said:
Looks good to me.

Although I feel the need to note that the 0.98 tons value is only about 1.14x away from Building level+.
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KLOL506 said:
Anyway, I'll tag my homies just in case.
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I don't mind the upgrade, but what's the supporting stuff for 8-C? If this is the only feat of that level, then we're running into a similar issue as last time iirc.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I don't mind the upgrade, but what's the supporting stuff for 8-C? If this is the only feat of that level, then we're running into a similar issue as last time iirc.
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I think M3X explained it with the Croc scaling stuff, but he'd be able to elaborate it more.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I don't mind the upgrade, but what's the supporting stuff for 8-C? If this is the only feat of that level, then we're running into a similar issue as last time iirc.
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New calc and the current value Batman scales to is 0.24 while the baseline for 8-C is 0.25 tons. Batman enemies such as Killer Croc gets stronger and Batman can still tank and damage him most of the times. The fact that a 0.24 tons character gets stronger should be enough to put him at 8-C, and also upscale Batman cause he is so damn close to 8-C and has actual scaling to surpass that value. So:
  • New 8-C calc
  • 0.24 tons becomes 0.25 aka the base for 8-C
  • Croc has a 8-C calc himself from a stronger version that Batman can in fact fight and tank blows.
 
No the calc itself and the reasoning of the rating I get. I'm asking if this is the only 8-C calc or are there supporting feats for the rating?
 
Alright for looking for more feats or alright that what we currently have is fine?
 
If there's three 8-C feats that's consistent enough for the rating.

Unless you mean this one feat has been calced three times, in which you'd need to show casual 9-A feats or more 8-C feats imo
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Oh no, there is KLOL’s calc at 0.24 that we are gonna upscale to 0.25 (1.04x difference that justifies itself with scaling), a new 8-C calc and Killer Croc’s 8-C calc and also 2 9-A+ calcs as support.
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Remember when Marvel vs. DC street tier matches could be made?

No? Me neither.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
If I could I’d only upgrade Batman and his villains cause he’s clearly stronger than them and everything around him has higher levels than freaking Damian Wayne or Jason lmao
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If this goes through, could we upscale a venomed-Bane to baseline 8-C+? The difference between Batman's new calc and baseline "+" is only a 1.15 times different.
 
Batman consistently holds himself back for most of the time and only stops when he's facing someone who isn't a human. Even when he fights his rogue gallery all at once he still holds back to not hurt all of them, so I'm not sure about scaling most of his villains to him, even if they somehow can damage him. This includes Two-Face, who Batman casually one shots and easily defeats most of the time, and holding back. Same for The Penguim more than once. The only they do is harm with him metal pipes or whatever and that's when they caught him off-guard and they don't cause enough damage to warrant scaling.

This also includes the Batfam, most of their fights are casual sparring, and even when it's serious Bruce always says he doesn't wanna hurt them.
Rex_Eckles said:
Why?
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I think Alfred is self-explanatory, but Batman has always manhandled Damian easily. Damian is only a kid. Obviously he's extremely well-trained, so he knows how to beat people, so does Batman. He isn't doing to Batman what he does to random fodder, he's still a kid in the end of the day and Bruce is a grown ass man who can deadlift half a ton casually as his training.
KingTempest said:
do they have any feats of backscaling?

i understand alfred but like, the only people Damian fights... are batman goons
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Refrain to the villains part here.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Batman consistently holds himself back for most of the time and only stops when he's facing someone who isn't a human. Even when he fights his rogue gallery all at once he still holds back to not hurt all of them, so I'm not sure about scaling most of his villains to him, even if they somehow can damage him. This includes Two-Face, who Batman casually one shots and easily defeats most of the time, and holding back. Same for The Penguim more than once. The only they do is harm with him metal pipes or whatever and that's when they caught him off-guard and they don't cause enough damage to warrant scaling.

This also includes the Batfam, most of their fights are casual sparring, and even when it's serious Bruce always says he doesn't wanna hurt them.

I think Alfred is self-explanatory, but Batman has always manhandled Damian easily. Damian is only a kid. Obviously he's extremely well-trained, so he knows how to beat people, so does Batman. He isn't doing to Batman what he does to random fodder, he's still a kid in the end of the day and Bruce is a grown ass man who can deadlift half a ton casually as his training.

Refrain to the villains part here.
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Are there any batman villains who have their own values separate from batman's scaling that we can say something for damian like "although weaker than bruce, Damian should be superior to the weaker fighters of his rogues gallery"

or at least younger versions of the robins or SOMETHING
 
KingTempest said:
Are there any batman villains who have their own values separate from batman's scaling that we can say something for damian like "although weaker than bruce, Damian should be superior to the weaker fighters of his rogues gallery"

or at least younger versions of the robins or SOMETHING
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They all just outright scales to Batman. I obviously disagree and showed why that's not the case.
 
KingTempest said:
Are there any batman villains who have their own values separate from batman's scaling that we can say something for damian like "although weaker than bruce, Damian should be superior to the weaker fighters of his rogues gallery"

or at least younger versions of the robins or SOMETHING
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Deadshot had an old jank-ass NarutoForums calc putting him at 9-B+.
 
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