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Not even going to reply to this as it's a blatant misrepresentation of what lying inherently means.
That's not what happened.
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azontr
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Lying is a deliberate act of conveying false information. If you had read Tokyo Revengers, as I am sure you have, you would know that the scans you provided are not the full scene and do not display the fact that something happened offscreen. You did not include the full scenes from the chapter, making it seem as if something was an instant transition from one scene to the next.
If you had read the chapter, then this could not be unintentional. It could not be an accident. It can only be a deliberate attempt to mislead others to push your own narrative. Aka, a lie. Making you a liar. Which you are.
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Zetsu's first comments are obviously not great, but pretty close to standard fare for anything resembling a potentially controversial match. That said, this comment of yours is earlier than anything else I'd call genuinely "riling up", and sort of reeks of ill will. Your own behavior in the thread seems worse than Azontr's, and earlier. Zetsu shouldn't have stirred the pot but you also shouldn't disregard people so flippantly and rudely. You are guilty of the same sort of posts you point out as rule violations:
...overall, I think the behavior on the thread sort of sucks, but the first post I'd call "bad" was yours. I can't say I find anything azontr posted to be legitimately wrong, as the only posts I would say are heated are in response to posts from you, Vzearr, that are unreasonable. Blocking voting as of here because you, the OP, are dissatisfied with arguments provided against your favored character in the match, also really sucks.
I can close the match, as it is up to the OP, but I believe your actions would constitute a rule violation deserving of a warning, Vzearr.
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...overall, I think the behavior on the thread sort of sucks, but the first post I'd call "bad" was yours. I can't say I find anything azontr posted to be legitimately wrong, as the only posts I would say are heated are in response to posts from you, Vzearr, that are unreasonable. Blocking voting as of here because you, the OP, are dissatisfied with arguments provided against your favored character in the match, also really sucks.
I can close the match, as it is up to the OP, but I believe your actions would constitute a rule violation deserving of a warning, Vzearr.
azontr
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If the match is to be closed, it is what it is, but I would like to call to attention the fact that Vzearr is still denying his blatant lies to win a match. I know I perhaps should not push the issue, but i feel personally offended that i was reported for "riling him up" when all i was doing was calling out a deliberate attempt at manipulation to claim a victory.
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Beat me to it.
That said, the match appears to have reached Grace before closing. It can still be added to the profiles, I believe, though it may well be a stomp depending on certain conditions.
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I've told him to relax, but he seems to have come to that conclusion organically himself. Nevertheless, I peek my ugly head in. I'll keep an eye on it.
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Agreed purposely manipulating scans and cutting evidence to suit your points is pretty bad behavior, you can't report someone for calling you out for actually lying in a thread just because they caught you
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Alright, thanks
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In addition to Vzeaar's case, he knows very well as a former Thread Mod/Content Mod that this type of request should be handled directly in the “All purpose thread"; You’re not reporting anyone here, and it seems like you chose to post this here just to stir up drama. I understand the other party’s perspective here, since they felt accused in RVT that's why they commented on here, but Vzear should at least receive a warning for instigating pointless drama in RVT.
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He definitely needs a warning for this thoughI don't think that this seems sufficiently severe for a warning. It was likely just a mistake to post here.
Especially since this isn't his first case of cutting out scans of evidence in threads to suit his points
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Hmm. That seems more severe, yes, but please make certain that Vzearr actually deliberately did this before applying a warning.
Also, Vzearr, PLEASE make a continuous effort to stop shooting yourself in the feet over and over and over. I cannot help you out with your mental health if you keep sabotaging yourself.
Also, Vzearr, PLEASE make a continuous effort to stop shooting yourself in the feet over and over and over. I cannot help you out with your mental health if you keep sabotaging yourself.
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I agree with Bambu, Dereck, ect. Vzearr did have a history with manipulation as well as rage baiting, and continuing to do so is not a good look.
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Can you properly link to and explain this claim?
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In like an hour and a half when im off work and home sure
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Well I'll be omw to work then, so ig I'd have to look at it later tonight.In like an hour and a half when im off work and home sure
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The Boxer Problems
I don't see why I have to stop anything. I summarized my points, Vzearr responded, and I feel it's within my right to do so as well so long as I remain civil. There's no rule forcing me to wait for staff members to argue for me. Yes, but the back and forth could be harder for staff to evaluate...
Review this thread then, can't explain more atm
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Yeah, I do think that we need to make sure that Vzearr lied deliberately or just presenting the arguements he do really believes in good faith. I'd say we wait for him to clarify his point regarding it before we apply a warning.
I strongly agree with this as well. He needs to take things slowly and try to stay out of any unnecessary trouble. He should remain as calm as possible, and if threads begin to get heated, he can call staff to bring thread under control. He also needs to work on how he replies, as it can come across as condescending and arrogant. While I’m sure he doesn’t intend to sound that way, it doesn’t change how people perceive his tone. Getting involved in RVR over unnecessarily small issues, when it could have been resolved by simply asking a staff member, is just digging himself deeper into trouble.Also, Vzearr, PLEASE make a continuous effort to stop shooting yourself in the feet over and over and over. I cannot help you out with your mental health if you keep sabotaging yourself.
That said, I also ask other members to keep Vzearr’s condition in mind. If not supportive, then at least avoid mocking him for his beliefs. This isn’t to say you have to agree with him, but disagreements should be expressed respectfully. Not pointing out to any member or anything, but just in-general.
@Vzearr Please.
azontr
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Vzearr makes a claim in the thread that a character (Manjiro Sano) has fear hax capable of instantly paralyzing people for extended periods of time, and uses these scans to support this (as well as a few others that he lies about, but w/e). He deliberately cuts images from the first scan and the second scan to claim that the person in the second scan that was defeated was immediately taken out because Manjiro had paralyzed him, but this is not true, as the confrontation happened off-screen and we did not see how Kakucho responded to Mikey's fear hax or how the confrontation played out to lead to Kakucho's defeat.
The images come from chapter 231 of Tokyo Revengers, which he would know if he has read it, which he has. It would be impossible to mistakenly make this claim, as it is impossible to read this chapter without seeing the very clear cut between scenes that would not support the claim that Manjiro's fear hax is as potent as Vzearr claimed it to be. Unless he was reading with his eyes closed, it is physically impossible that this is not a deliberate attempt to lie.
EDIT: @Dalesean027's post also displays an instance of Vzearr deliberately withholding context to support a narrative, but that is unrelated to this.
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This is in no way manipulation of scans.The Boxer Problems
I don't see why I have to stop anything. I summarized my points, Vzearr responded, and I feel it's within my right to do so as well so long as I remain civil. There's no rule forcing me to wait for staff members to argue for me. Yes, but the back and forth could be harder for staff to evaluate...vsbattles.com
Review this thread then, can't explain more atm
It's someone saying "I don't think this ability qualifies" without linking the scan, which is already linked on the actual profile in question. With Chariot saying that Vzearr's view on it doesn't match the scan.
That's just being wrong.
Yeah this seems pretty open and shut. Earlier he says that the entire scene is them being frozen and knocked out, while those few scans give that impression, the whole scene in Chapter 231 (and beyond, seems like the later scans come from a later chapter) shows them doing a lot of fighting in-between.
It's not always misrepresentation to fail to include certain scans (people can gloss over them, or legitimately think they're not relevant), but given the view Vzearr was proposing about the fight, and the blatant relevance of what was missed, this seems quite bad.
But I'm off to work, will give a view on what I think should happen in light of this, then.
azontr
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He does the same not just with that particular feat but also through indirectly using scans in this post which shows multiple instances of Mikey's fear being applied. The first scan is as we know, and he claims that the person in the second scan was instantly knocked out as well, but Manjiro and that particular character do not even fight after this, which he does not mention. In the 3rd scan, the character is admittedly immediately knocked out, but Vzearr frames it as if this was an enemy Mikey was paralyzing and confronting, but it was one of Mikey's own allies who was not even attempting to defend himself.
The context being that Vzearr was responding to a post responding to another post that had multiple scans, framing each and every instance as each character being immediately paralyzed and then floored by Mikey, especially when one of them did not even confront Mikey is, in my opinion, particularly damning.
The context being that Vzearr was responding to a post responding to another post that had multiple scans, framing each and every instance as each character being immediately paralyzed and then floored by Mikey, especially when one of them did not even confront Mikey is, in my opinion, particularly damning.
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Alright, it seems I'm being accused of being a liar now-... By staff-..
I want to clarify this properly.
My argument was based on interpreting the sequence of events shown in the scans I provided, not on claiming that no events occurred offscreen. I did not intentionally omit scans to mislead anyone. I considered the provided scans to be sufficient to demonstrate my interpretation of how Mikey’s fear affected opponents in those moments. If the full chapter shows additional actions occurring between those panels, then that is a disagreement about how the scene should be interpreted, not evidence of deliberate falsification.
The scans I used are not from a single continuous interaction. The “in-between” content being referenced by you guys is a different scene involving different characters, not a direct continuation of the specific moment I was addressing. Therefore, my argument was based on linking outcomes shown across those scenes, not claiming that every action happened consecutively with nothing in between. Because of that, this is a disagreement over how the scenes should be interpreted, not a case of me removing parts of a single sequence to mislead. If the interpretation is considered incorrect, that’s fine, but it is not evidence manipulation.
I want to clarify this properly.
My argument was based on interpreting the sequence of events shown in the scans I provided, not on claiming that no events occurred offscreen. I did not intentionally omit scans to mislead anyone. I considered the provided scans to be sufficient to demonstrate my interpretation of how Mikey’s fear affected opponents in those moments. If the full chapter shows additional actions occurring between those panels, then that is a disagreement about how the scene should be interpreted, not evidence of deliberate falsification.
The scans I used are not from a single continuous interaction. The “in-between” content being referenced by you guys is a different scene involving different characters, not a direct continuation of the specific moment I was addressing. Therefore, my argument was based on linking outcomes shown across those scenes, not claiming that every action happened consecutively with nothing in between. Because of that, this is a disagreement over how the scenes should be interpreted, not a case of me removing parts of a single sequence to mislead. If the interpretation is considered incorrect, that’s fine, but it is not evidence manipulation.
azontr
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Please just tell the truth dude. You spoke in response to this:
There is no "disagreement over how scenes should be interpreted." You did not interpret anything. You were asked to show the full scene; the full scene in the first scan is that Kakucho acknowledges Mikey's aura, the scene cuts away, and then several pages later we see him get flung away after an offscreen. In the second scan, Mikey and the other guy fighting South don't even engage. In the third scene, the guy was not even attempting to defend himself or showed any hostile activity that would support your point about Mikey's fear hax.
You said that every single one of these scenes involved Mikey stunning people who were actively hostile to him and then instantly flooring them, but this is blatantly not what occurred in any of these instances. You told people that the full confrontation was something that simply did not happen. This will be my last post on the issue until moderators give their opinion, as I am not one of them even if I am involved in this case, but I am sincerely asking you as a person to stop being a liar.
and said this:
There is no "disagreement over how scenes should be interpreted." You did not interpret anything. You were asked to show the full scene; the full scene in the first scan is that Kakucho acknowledges Mikey's aura, the scene cuts away, and then several pages later we see him get flung away after an offscreen. In the second scan, Mikey and the other guy fighting South don't even engage. In the third scene, the guy was not even attempting to defend himself or showed any hostile activity that would support your point about Mikey's fear hax.
You said that every single one of these scenes involved Mikey stunning people who were actively hostile to him and then instantly flooring them, but this is blatantly not what occurred in any of these instances. You told people that the full confrontation was something that simply did not happen. This will be my last post on the issue until moderators give their opinion, as I am not one of them even if I am involved in this case, but I am sincerely asking you as a person to stop being a liar.
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I’ve clarified my position. My claim was based on my reading of the scenes and what I believed they demonstrated about how Mikey’s fear affected opponents in those moments. If staff determine that my reading was incorrect, and, or lacked sufficient context, then that is a problem with my interpretation and presentation, not proof of deliberate deception. You are free to argue that the scans do not support my conclusion. What you have not established is intent to mislead, and repeatedly calling me a liar does not prove it, it's a presuppositional claim.
I will be fine with whatever staff decides.
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This thread seems very hot, anyone want to turn on the AC to cool the thread?
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The Crying Blue Ogre - He's 100x Stronger Than Me!
Tokyo Revengers characters' durability widely outscales their AP. By a large margin. I.e. Many x. This can be seen by no name goons not tanking these hits, but somehow, depsite not tanking these hits, going on to survive hits that are 100x stonger. They're literally tanking the hits, the mid...
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I have responded.
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I think that Vzearr has likely not deliberately lied or caused trouble here, and his personal mental health situation is quite horrible, so I ask our staff to please try to show empathy and compassion for him.
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This really isn't that bad, and I don't think anything further needs to be done if it doesn't escalate.I think that Vzearr has likely not deliberately lied or caused trouble here, and his personal mental health situation is quite horrible, so I ask our staff to please try to show empathy and compassion for him.
That said, I would ask you to please weigh your responsibility to the rest of the community as well. We're all struggling with something, and it can't be an excuse forever.
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I do not particularly want to go into depth regarding my mental illness in public, as that's something I do alone with people I trust, but, I want to say, my mental illness is to not affect me on the wiki, well, as best as I can, of course, some things I cannot control.
I just want to make it clear, I do not fake scans with the intent to manipulate, nor do I purposefully try to stir drama on the wiki. This is not my intent and has never been, I believe I have much evidence that supports the contrary.
Allbeit. This is a staff matter, and I will zip my mouth now.
I just want to make it clear, I do not fake scans with the intent to manipulate, nor do I purposefully try to stir drama on the wiki. This is not my intent and has never been, I believe I have much evidence that supports the contrary.
Allbeit. This is a staff matter, and I will zip my mouth now.
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I understand. I am rooting for you. I've been off the deep-end before myself, and I definitely did some things I regret.
Some of those things I wish someone would've noticed and enforced some control, but the powers-that-be in those contexts mostly just ignored it, or glossed over it just because I was a good student.
I know you don't mean it, and I know Ant only wants to look out for you, but it's my hope that our focus will ultimately land on reducing harm to anyone, and if anything serious happens in the future and I land on any particular side I hope you understand that's my only intention.
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Just something I noticed is seems like the ones that are related to TR are the main problem TR? Or is this just a circumstance due to a limited number of circumstances?
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The verse has a history of being controversial.
We recently decided to give it another chance after it being banned for a long time.
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Forgive me for stepping in I just want to answer this.
Tokyo Revengers can not be the issue, it is the members who surround it, whether that be me, dale, or one of the other ten members who surround it. However that is up to staff to decide, banning the Tokyo Revengers verse is not a necessity. It is the banning of members who directly cause controversy to spread around the verse. A verse cannot be a problem, it is the members of the verses circle that are the problem.
