The Pirate Hunter challenges another Sword Master to a duel (Roronoa Zoro{One Piece} vs Valencina{Project Moon}) 7-0-0 (Grace)

[MysticBrawler]

Roronoa Zoro(Skypiea Arc)-7

Valencina

Distance: 10 meters
Speed Equalized
Valencina is Low 7-B
SBA for the rest

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Steve1775]

Zoro FRB

 

[MysticBrawler]

Zoro FRB

Sorry but those reasons given are not valid so I can't count them.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Zoro FRB

 

[Arkansalter2]

Valencina has the AP advantage (4.6 MT compared to 1.9ish megatons) about a 2.4ish advantage
Zoro has the LS advantage.
Zoro dwarfs her in skill.
Zoro seems to have a lot more options with his 3SS and all that type of good stuff, attacking from unpredictable areas that Valencina would get diced from.
Easily going with Zoro, low-mid diff.

 

[EtherealCrater]

Zoro: 1.54 Megatons

Valencina: 4.69 Megatons

But the justification for Zoro's value is only for his 36 Pound Cannon, so his 108 Pound Cannon should be 4.62 Megatons? Zoro also has the advantage of outright scaling to his value instead of the "likely" rating for Val. Zoro also has AD, meaning his attacks should at the bare minimum keep up with Val's and at best outright surpass her's. They're similarly matched with their abilities but Zoro does have Limited Durability Negation which Val can't really do much about with equalized speed.

I'm leaning towards Zoro.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Valencina has the AP advantage (4.6 MT compared to 1.9ish megatons) about a 2.4ish advantage
Zoro has the LS advantage.
Zoro dwarfs her in skill.
Zoro seems to have a lot more options with his 3SS and all that type of good stuff, attacking from unpredictable areas that Valencina would get diced from.
Easily going with Zoro, low-mid diff.

Valencina does seem to have the superior Precognition so she should have no issues with keeping up with his skills

 

[MysticBrawler]

Zoro: 1.54 Megatons

Valencina: 4.69 Megatons

But the justification for Zoro's value is only for his 36 Pound Cannon, so his 108 Pound Cannon should be 4.62 Megatons? Zoro also has the advantage of outright scaling to his value instead of the "likely" rating for Val. Zoro also has AD, meaning his attacks should at the bare minimum keep up with Val's and at best outright surpass her's. They're similarly matched with their abilities but Zoro does have Limited Durability Negation which Val can't really do much about with equalized speed.

I'm leaning towards Zoro.

Valencina has resistance to Durability Negation as well as her own Statistics Amplification(Attack and Defense) and Damage Boost.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Valencina does seem to have the superior Precognition so she should have no issues with keeping up with his skills

Yeah but Zoro is the same guy who fought luffy who has ANPR but on crack by the time sky arc hit.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Luffy is the same guy who cold clocked a Relativistic guy as a Hypersonic+ in East Blue. I think Zoro will be fine against Precog.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Luffy is the same guy who cold clocked a Relativistic guy as a Hypersonic+ in East Blue. I think Zoro will be fine against Precog.

Are you talking about Rob Lucci? The one I'm using here is Skypiea Arc Zoro so I don't think that this compariosn can work

 

[MysticBrawler]

Yeah but Zoro is the same guy who fought luffy who has ANPR but on crack by the time sky arc hit.

"On crack" is a bit of an overstatement. He didn't unlock Observation Haki yet at this time, which is shown to be superior to Luffy's regular Precogniton as shown by Enel.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Are you talking about Rob Lucci? The one I'm using here is Skypiea Arc Zoro so I don't think that this compariosn can work

No, I'm talking about Kuro.

 

[Ubdon]

I think it's worth mentioning that one of main Valencina gimmick is kinda fire and heat infliction which zoro resist according to his page.

 

[Kachon123]

Valencina gets cut down by a BOAT slash

 

[MysticBrawler]

I think it's worth mentioning that one of main Valencina gimmick is kinda fire and heat infliction which zoro resist according to his page.

The Valencina can burn mid-high tier Project Moon characters that all resist heat around 1,370°C–1,510°C, so unless Zoro's heat resistance exceeds that then Valencina should have no problem burning him.

 

[MysticBrawler]

No, I'm talking about Kuro.

"On crack" is a bit of an overstatement. He didn't unlock Observation Haki yet at this time, which is shown to be superior to Luffy's regular Precogniton as shown by Enel.

Valencina's Precognition should be superior to Non-Observation Haki Precognition in general.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Valencina gets cut down by a BOAT slash

Valencina can increase her Durability using Shin and has resistance to Durability Negation so that's pretty unlikely.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Valencina's Precognition should be superior to Non-Observation Haki Precognition in general.

Can it deal with someone who's like several thousand times faster than her(I dont know the exact numbers here lol) who also doesn't even know where the **** he's going so he's literally being unpredictable and erratic by just doing his thing?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Can it deal with someone who's like several thousand times faster than her(I dont know the exact numbers here lol) who also doesn't even know where the **** he's going so he's literally being unpredictable and erratic by just doing his thing?

It can allow her to keep up with characters that are Possibly Relativistic+ so I'd say that it's plausible. plus none of Zoro's attacks are really as fast or as erratic as Kuro's anyway so I don't see it being a problem for Valencina.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Valencina's Precognition should be superior to Non-Observation Haki Precognition in general.

Zoro's breath of all things was superior to Ohm's obs Haki...

Zoro should've already had regular precog like obs Haki fr... It's nothing like analytical prediction but yee

and has resistance to Durability Negation so that's pretty unlikely.

That's also a completely different Dura Neg, Zoro is knowing the perfect timing, accuracy and speed to cut hard objects as if they were butter, he doesn't "bypass" the external defenses like that type of Dura Neg

 

[MysticBrawler]

Zoro's breath of all things was superior to Ohm's obs Haki...

Zoro should've already had regular precog like obs Haki fr... It's nothing like analytical prediction but yee

Ok, so I guess that means they're Precognition would be comparable then, so they should have no problem reacting to each other's attacks.

That's also a completely different Dura Neg, Zoro is knowing the perfect timing, accuracy and speed to cut hard objects as if they were butter, he doesn't "bypass" the external defenses like that type of Dura Neg

Actually that's also covered by Rupture, as that's exactly what the Seven Association Fixers do and it's counted under said effect.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Actually that's also covered by Rupture, as that's exactly what the Seven Association Fixers do and it's counted under said effect.

proof?

Ok, so I guess that means they're Precognition would be comparable then, so they should have no problem reacting to each other's attacks.

She would have comparable or worse than Ohm's precog (Actually it literally is worse)... And Zoro's breath of all things negated that

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Valencina << Ohm < Zoro

Zoro also is someone who starts with his blitz technique, as the distance is 3 meters, he would end the match fairly quickly before she realizes Zoro's movement

"Recalling the teachings of his master and reading the 'breath' of Mr. 1's steel, Zoro grasped the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike his opponent. His blade, which had previously failed to make any impact at all, sliced clean through the enemy. Its speed was nothing short of divine."

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Phrase-by-Phrase Breakdown and Context
1. 師匠の教えを思い出し (Shishō no oshie o omoidashi)

• Translation: "Recalling the teachings of his master..."
• Context: Zoro remembers a lesson from his childhood dojo master, Koshiro. Koshiro taught him that the greatest swordsmen have the power to cut nothing when they wish to cut nothing, and cut the thickest steel when they wish to cut steel.

2. Mr.1の鉄の「呼吸」を読み (Mr. 1 no tetsu no 'kokyū' o yomi)

• Translation: "...and reading the 'breath' of Mr. 1's steel,"
• Context: This is the "Breath of All Things" mentioned in the previous prompt. Mr. 1 ate the Dice-Dice Fruit, making his entire body living steel. By calming his mind on the verge of death, Zoro stops relying on his sight and instead senses the spiritual "rhythm" or "breathing" of Mr. 1's steel body.

3. 相手を斬る時の力、タイミング、急所などを把握すると (Aite o kiru toki no chikara, taimingu, kyūsho nado o haaku suru to)

• Translation: "...[Zoro] grasped the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike his opponent."
• Context: By aligning himself with the "breath" of the steel, Zoro instantly understands exactly how much force to use, exactly when to swing, and exactly where the weak point of the metal is.

4. あれほど響かなかったゾロの刃は、相手を斬り抜いたのです (Are hodo hibikanakatta Zoro no yaiba wa, aite o kirinuita no desu)

• Translation: "His blade, which had previously failed to make any impact at all, sliced clean through the enemy."
• Context: Earlier in the fight, Zoro's swords were bouncing off Mr. 1 like dull butter knives, making ringing/vibrating noises (hibikanakatta implies they just clanged uselessly without biting in). Now, the blades glide straight through him.

5. その速さたるや、まさに神速 (Sono hayasa taru ya, masani shinsoku)

• Translation: "Its speed was nothing short of divine [god-speed]."
• Context: This describes Zoro's famous finishing move, Ittoryu Iai: Shishi Sonson (One Sword Style Draw: Lion's Song). The attack is a lightning-fast "draw and resheathe" technique that happens in the blink of an eye. The term Shinsoku (神速) literally means "Godly Speed" or "divine speed."

 

[Ubdon]

proof?

Idk about it being under rupture but via clashing she can counter skills that analyse weaknesses.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Idk about it being under rupture but via clashing she can counter skills that analyse weaknesses.

it wouldn't counter something like Zoro sensing and reading the breath of all things

He doesn't analyze her weaknesses, it's him reading the breath of things around him and that enables him to understand and know perfectly how to dura neg the "object"

 

[MysticBrawler]

proof?

Rupture includes Weakness Analysis/Attacking one's Weakponts, Spatial Manipulation, Concussion, Electricity Manipulation, Curse Manipulation, Poison Manipulation,

She would have comparable or worse than Ohm's precog (Actually it literally is worse)... And Zoro's breath of all things negated that

Initial Stage Observation Haki doesn't really give one Future Sight so I don't see what exactly makes it superior Valencina's Precognition

Valencina << Ohm < Zoro

Zoro also is someone who starts with his blitz technique, as the distance is 3 meters, he would end the match fairly quickly before she realizes Zoro's movement

Since when has Zoro ever started the fight with his Iai techniques?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Initial Stage Observation Haki doesn't really give one Future Sight so I don't see what exactly makes it would be superior Valencina's Precognition

yes it does by knowing future moves and Ohm is also Intermediate

Since when has Zoro ever started the fight with his Iai techniques.

The moment he learnt BOAT, he used it first, and here also
First moment:

2nd moment:

Rupture includes Weakness Analysis, Spatial Manipulation, Concussion, Electricity Manipulation, Curse Manipulation, Poison Manipulation,

None of which would apply to Zoro

 

[Kachon123]

Since when has Zoro ever started the fight with his Iai techniques?

His opening attacks during both rounds against Kuma were Iai techniques.

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[MysticBrawler]

yes it does by knowing future moves and Ohm is also Intermediate

Ok fair enough

The moment he learnt BOAT, he used it first, and here also
First moment:

2nd moment:

And is that the only example?

None of which would apply to Zoro

I'm pretty sure Zoro's Durability Negation matches up with Weakness Analysis

 

[Ubdon]

I'm pretty sure Zoro's Durability Negation matches up with Weakness Analysis

He answered to that in post above

I think you should address that

 

[Kachon123]

And is that the only example?

Those are 2 examples.

Here's another

 

[MysticBrawler]

His opening attacks during both rounds against Kuma were Iai techniques.

EDIT: Ninja'd

If your saying that he starts with his Iai technique then that would mean that this matchup can't be added as the slower character can't win via speed blizing the faster character in a speed equal match.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If your saying that he starts with his Iai technique then that would mean that this matchup can't be added as the slower character can't win via speed blizing the faster character in a speed equal match.

Zoro's base/actual rating is faster tho (than her actual rating)

Idk how that works

 

[Kachon123]

If your saying that he starts with his Iai technique then that would mean that this matchup can't be added as the slower character can't win via speed blizing the faster character in a speed equal match.

Zoro is Mach 1068 while Valencia is Mach 249.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Those are 2 examples.

Here's another

Seriously? Your using an example from Post-Timeskip Zoro? If there is only one example of him starting with his Iai technique Pre-Timeskip then that can't be assumed to be a standard tactic for him.

 

[Ubdon]

He doesn't analyze her weaknesses, it's him reading the breath of things around him and that enables him to understand and know perfectly how to dura neg the "object"

Tho I also wanna know how fast he can do it

Cuz when I searched it anime pacing made it look little slow

 

[Kachon123]

If there is only one example of him starting with his Iai technique Pre-Timeskip then that can't be assumed to be a standard tactic for him.

Those are 2 examples.

 

[Kachon123]

Tho I also wanna know how fast he can do it

He can do it while attacks from relative fighters are approaching right in front of his face

 

[MysticBrawler]

Zoro is Mach 1068 while Valencia is Mach 249.

Valencina is also "Possibly Relativistic+"