A princess fights a delinquent kid

[XxZetsuxX]

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[Vzearr]

I said, Mikey, in his kid key is fodder and cannot handle a sword draw aimed at his jugular with equal speed instantly.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I said, Mikey, in his kid key is fodder and cannot handle a sword draw aimed at his jugular with equal speed instantly.

It's not a stomp then, Alexia just has more chances to win

 

[Vzearr]

It's not a stomp then, Alexia just has more chances to win

Name 1 way Mikey would win.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Name 1 way Mikey would win.

Getting 1 hit in
Activating DI

Also, while i said it's in character for Alexia to go for vital areas, i didn't say she STARTS with it lol, but she is fast in using them if need be

 

[Vzearr]

Getting 1 hit in
Activating DI

Also, while i said it's in character for Alexia to go for vital areas, i didn't say she STARTS with it lol, but she is fast in using them if need be

That's what her jugular ability says, it says she did it at the start of the match no?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

That's what her jugular ability says, it says she did it at the start of the match no?

You can't take 1 instance for all matches, she may use it, but it's not like she ALWAYS starts with it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will start counting votes now though

If you want to vote or argue first, be my guest

 

[Vzearr]

Wait lol, I just read her profile, her Anpr is terrible plus a 10 meter distance, Mikey takes this very easily.

She runs at Mikey.
Mikey realises she has a sword and prepares an attack.
She doesn't know Mikey's one-shot kills her; she attempts to hit him.
Even if she hits him, Mikey survives long enough to hit her once and kill her.
Ending the fight decisively.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Wait lol, I just read her profile, her Anpr is terrible plus a 10 meter distance, Mikey takes this very easily.

She runs at Mikey.
Mikey realises she has a sword and prepares an attack.
She doesn't know Mikey's one-shot kills her; she attempts to hit him.
Even if she hits him, Mikey survives long enough to hit her once and kill her.
Ending the fight decisively.

So like, what exactly stops Alexia to still dodge his kick and slice his arteries in the leg (and depending on the severity, his leg can be shutdowned)

What is his response to Alexia's IA which lets her dodge powerful attacks on instinct?

What stops her from predicting still?

Remember that she has LS advantage, so she can parry his kicks with no issue

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Not to mention, Mikey's pain and injury tolerance doesn't seem to be that high, he only has stamina exertion going for him

Edit: Mikey might even be stunned due to pain ngl, just saying

 

[Vzearr]

So like, what exactly stops Alexia to still dodge his kick and slice his arteries in the leg (and depending on the severity, his leg can be shutdowned)

Do you know how hard it is to dodge a kick whilst holding a weapon? Then pulling it out and slicing them before they can either dodge or kick again? She'd need a speed advantage.

What is his response to Alexia's IA which lets her dodge powerful attacks on instinct?

If she doesn't react to a dodge, how is she going to draw her weapon? It'd just go on indefinitely, Mikey kicks, she dodges, and when she loses stamina, he hits her, killing her.

What stops her from predicting still?

Her anpr is just basic martial art prediction. It's not really that good.

Remember that she has LS advantage, so she can parry his kicks with no issue

Why would it come to that?

Not to mention, Mikey's pain and injury tolerance doesn't seem to be that high, he only has stamina exertion going for him

Mikey's pain and injury tolerance in his kid key is unknown.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Do you know how hard it is to dodge a kick whilst holding a weapon? Then pulling it out and slicing them before they can either dodge or kick again? She'd need a speed advantage.

She side steps and slices his leg while he is still in motion, i fail to see how hard this is?

With magic, her sword might as well be weightless, she can lift with 1 finger gigantic boulders, why would a sword hinder her at all?

If she doesn't react to a dodge, how is she going to draw her weapon? It'd just go on indefinitely, Mikey kicks, she dodges, and when she loses stamina, he hits her, killing her.

Check above

Her anpr is just basic martial art prediction. It's not really that good.

You act like Mikey is unpredictable to her when his MA is not that good either by feats

Why would it come to that?

She can also just dodge and slice his other leg while he is still mid kick to knock him into the ground by slicing his arteries

Mikey's pain and injury tolerance in his kid key is unknown.

Mhm, still, it's a possibility

 

[Vzearr]

She side steps and slices his leg, i fail to see how hard this is?

She would need to not use instinctive action first of all. Second of all, holding a weapon and going against a hit that if it grazes you, would bleed you out, is a lot harder than you think. You'd have to assume she could do this on the first try, too, that's her entire win condition, getting a lucky shot on someone who's mid-kick, which requires much more speed then equal speed. The more the fight goes on, the fewer chances she has, as she's fighting someone so massively superior to her.

What happens if she eventually slices him and he goes into DI? Could she handle fear inducement? Could she handle the massive amp, the perception manipulation, the AD?

With magic, her sword might as well be weightless, she can lift with 1 finger gigantic boulders, why would a sword hinder her at all?

Uhm, I'm gonna make a thread on that, the scans are kinda bad.

Anyways, it's equal speed.

you act like Mikey is unpredictable to her when his MA is not that good either by feats

He's been called a genius by a black belt master, has extreme precision at 4, and is likely much more then you give him. I'm not saying he's unpredictable, I'm saying she can't predict him every time.

She can also just dodge and slice his other leg while he is still mid kick to knock him into the ground by slicing his arteries

That assumes they're not equal speed. Mikey is moving less distance mathematically, therefore she's not going to hit him as she'd have to react faster then Mikey's kick moves, which isn't possible at equal speed.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

She would need to not use instinctive action first of all.

Her instinctive action activates only when she has no way of defending herself from an attack

Second of all, holding a weapon and going against a hit that if it grazes you, would bleed you out, is a lot harder than you think. You'd have to assume she could do this on the first try, too, that's her entire win condition, getting a lucky shot on someone who's mid-kick, which requires much more speed then equal speed.

By feats and statements she has no problem doing it first try with no luck required

Analytical prediction is moving just about before the opponent does anything, which she can do this easily, she has fought opponents far more skilled than Mikey and can react instantly to blind spot strikes coming from inside a fog and immeadiately counter them

Her basic fighting style has no wasted movements making her attacks land more easily too, and she can even use her sister's swordplay who is regarded as the best and strongest knight in the kingdom which introduces even more complex movements and harder to against

What happens if she eventually slices him and he goes into DI? Could she handle fear inducement? Could she handle the massive amp, the perception manipulation, the AD?

Then she loses, which is why i placed it as one of his wincons, but the thing is, by the time he has DI activated, she might've already cut off his legs and arms arteries

Uhm, I'm gonna make a thread on that, the scans are kinda bad.

Anyways, it's equal speed.

Elaborate, the scan is outright blatant

He's been called a genius by a black belt master, has extreme precision at 4, and is likely much more then you give him. I'm not saying he's unpredictable, I'm saying she can't predict him every time.

This quite literally is nothing against Alexia, also check above, predicting Mikey is something she can dodge for the entirety of the match if she wants too

That assumes they're not equal speed. Mikey is moving less distance mathematically, therefore she's not going to hit him as she'd have to react faster then Mikey's kick moves, which isn't possible at equal speed.

Analytical prediction makes this a non-issue

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Forgot to include but she can also just make half-step movements to parry and counter immeadiately as well

 

[Vzearr]

By feats and statements she has no problem doing it first try with no luck required

She's dodged a kick and then slashed their arteries with equal speed? Could you show a scan and prove they're equal in speed?

Analytical prediction is moving just about before the opponent does anything, which she can do this easily, she has fought opponents far more skilled than Mikey and can react instantly to blind spot strikes coming from inside a fog and immeadiately counter them

If she didn't see it, I don't know how she'd dodge it, that's not anpr, that's just enhanced senses.

Her basic fighting style has no wasted movements making her attacks land more easily too, and she can even use her sister's swordplay who is regarded as the best and strongest knight in the kingdom which introduces even more complex movements and harder to against

This doesn't prove she could hit Mikey before he could hit her. Mikey has to move much less distance; he's not using a sword. It's equal speed, and Mikey's not an idiot who would strike willy nilly against a sword.

Then she loses, which is why i placed it as one of his wincons, but the thing is, by the time he has DI activated, she might've already cut off his legs and arms arteries

Mikey in DI would still win if his arteries were cut, he has a solid amount of time before he passes out, she wouldn't last long enough. Plus, he's bloodlusted.

Elaborate, the scan is outright blatant

I will in the CRT.

This quite literally is nothing against Alexia, also check above, predicting Mikey is something she can dodge for the entirety of the match if she wants too

Analytical prediction makes this a non-issue

No it doesn't because even if she reacts before he kicks, she still has to move more distance, and it's also not like she has precog, anpr isn't as op as it seems at a lower level.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

She's dodged a kick and then slashed their arteries with equal speed? Could you show a scan and prove they're equal in speed?

No, not kicks but she can do that against sword users

And, again, Mikey kicks, she side steps and slices either his legs, body or a weak point

Speed is a non-factor when she can do these 2 actions simulataneously, more so when both of them are still subsonic, Alexia can move 39 meters in a second which is enough to create distance lol

She predicts and lets assume she has 0.5 seconds to move, she can cover half of 39 meters in a single side step, which is enough distance

If she didn't see it, I don't know how she'd dodge it, that's not anpr, that's just enhanced senses.

Well, that's my bad, i should've seperated the ANPR part, that was not for the justification

This doesn't prove she could hit Mikey before he could hit her. Mikey has to move much less distance; he's not using a sword. It's equal speed, and Mikey's not an idiot who would strike willy nilly against a sword.

Alexia can hit him from a far with her range advantage

Mikey in DI would still win if his arteries were cut, he has a solid amount of time before he passes out, she wouldn't last long enough. Plus, he's bloodlusted.

He can't move if his leg arteries are cut, it will make him outright incapacitated

No it doesn't because even if she reacts before he kicks, she still has to move more distance, and it's also not like she has precog, anpr isn't as op as it seems at a lower level.

Check my first counter argument

 

[Vzearr]

No, not kicks but she can do that against sword users

So why are you applying that to people who have to move a greater distance than Mikey?

And, again, Mikey kicks, she side steps and slices either his legs, body or a weak point

And again, Mikey moves a shorter distance than she does.

Speed is a non-factor when she can do these 2 actions simulataneously, more so when both of them are still subsonic, Alexia can move 39 meters per second which is enough to create distance lol

So can Mikey? Remember-... Equal speed.

Alexia can hit him from a far with her range advantage

She still has to move a greater distance, making it less likely for her to hit Mikey. Mikey's win-cons are far greater.

He can't move if his leg arteries are cut, it will make him outright incapacitated

That's not true. You can very much move after an artery is cut.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

So why are you applying that to people who have to move a greater distance than Mikey?

Swords are able to be used even at short distances with side swings you know (i thought you said Mikey was bad in dealing with weapon users too)

So can Mikey? Remember-... Equal speed.

Mid-motion? Nah, the point i am trying to make here is that;

Alexia predicts the kick - she has 0.5 seconds to move in advance - she side steps - Mikey kicks - has enough distance - slices Mikey while he is mid kick

She still has to move a greater distance, making it less likely for her to hit Mikey. Mikey's win-cons are far greater.

Don't forget she uses PP strikes extremely fast, might not be the 1st or 2nd though

That's not true. You can very much move after an artery is cut.

Barely then, according to google

 

[Vzearr]

Swords are able to be used even at short distances with side swings you know

Length = more distance, this doesn't matter.

(i thought you said Mikey was bad in dealing with weapon users too)

I said the opposite.

Mid-motion? Nah, the point i am trying to make here is that;

Alexia predicts the kick - she has 0.5 seconds to move in advance - she side steps - Mikey kicks - has enough distance - slices Mikey while he is mid kick

That's an assumption; 0.5 seconds is baseless. Can you prove it's 0.5 seconds and not 1 second, 2 seconds, 0.1 seconds?

Don't forget she uses PP strikes extremely fast, might not be the 1st or 2nd though

Equal speed.

Barely then, according to google

According to Google, you can move around enough to fight. Like, if I cut your arm off, could you still kick? Yes.

 

[Reiner04]

Its good that discussion has been peaceful and civil so far. Hoping it to be true for any future threads, regardless if related to TR or not.

 

[Reiner04]

@Vzearr From this very moment. Make sure you don't post anything in TR related threads, unless they have been approved by me
Post in thread 'Rule Violation Reports (New forum)' https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-7645165

 

[Syncornize]

Honestly, I don’t see how someone with level 5 in LS could have any real trouble handling a sword in any way.

As for the distance issue, in this case the sword clearly gives more range than a leg. We’re talking about a kid who’s around 1.40 m tall, before Mikey can do anything, he would need to find a way to close a huge distance without getting hit. And if he tried to throw mid-air kicks like he’s been shown doing as a child, he’d be completely vulnerable to any slash. I’ve already addressed his skills against high-level swordsmen earlier.

A black belt isn’t that relevant it only indicates a minimum level of competence, and being called a “genius” could simply refer to the age at which he achieved it. It also doesn’t imply a professional or peak human level, and in Mikey’s case, his abilities are described too vaguely. I also don’t see how he could make up for the experience gap in a field whose core skills he doesn’t even possess

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I am voting Alexia FRA btw

I don't see Mikey bypassing Alexia's sword much less activating DI in time

 

[XxZetsuxX]

@Vzearr From this very moment. Make sure you don't post anything in TR related threads, unless they have been approved by me
Post in thread 'Rule Violation Reports (New forum)' https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-7645165

He can still comment here right?

 

[Reiner04]

He can still comment here right?

No. Until i approve his posts.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

No. Until i approve his posts.

Oh

 

[Syncornize]

No. Until i approve his posts.

Bro? free Vzear

 

[Reiner04]

Bro? free Vzear

It was a collective decision by the staff. As much as I was initially against it, it is for Vzearr’s own good. I am powerless to do anything here. However, I will try my best to facilitate ongoing discussions as much as possible.

 

[Buzzflightyear]

Mikey FRA. Basically is a mismatch

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mikey FRA. Basically is a mismatch

Counted

 

[Vzearr]

This post has been approved.

Honestly, I don’t see how someone with level 5 in LS could have any real trouble handling a sword in any way.

Never claimed this, I claimed it's equal speed.

As for the distance issue, in this case the sword clearly gives more range than a leg. We’re talking about a kid who’s around 1.40 m tall, before Mikey can do anything, he would need to find a way to close a huge distance without getting hit. And if he tried to throw mid-air kicks like he’s been shown doing as a child, he’d be completely vulnerable to any slash.

No, he wouldn't. She'd need massively better ANPR than she has. We don't know how much she moves before her opponent attacks. Making this a stomp in Mikey's favour, he only needs to kick her once to win, she needs to slash him and survive through DI.

Let's assume the best scenario: she slashes him, Mikey starts bleeding out, he activates DI, she's stunned, and he kills her.

That's her best scenario.

The most likely scenario is.

She has to move too much distance, Mikey overwhelms her with kicks, she cannot hit Mikey because her sword has to move much further than the distance Mikey has to move. Mikey hits her, and she dies.

Voting Mikey.

 

[Syncornize]

Anyway, Alexia FRA

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Voting Mikey.

Anyway, Alexia FRA

Counted

 

[Dinozxd]

You're overcomplicating it. I merely said the narrative gap between using magic and not is the same as a human IRL and an animal.

So the "people go from average human to stomping animals" thing actually never happens?

In EIS, they can go from human speed, as in IRL, to outrun horses.

So that's like a 5x amp for speed

When magic is explained, the average feats were lifting Class 5 boulders and outrunning horses. They didn't give us exact AP feats, but it should be comparable to the other stats' amps.

This is purely speculation on your part tbh. If Magic is a significant AP amp, it should have actually quantifiable AP amps on profiles.

If anything, other characters showed to increase Ap much more than the other stats.

"Other characters"

Let's not lie, one of the scans to prove PP is genuinely his signature kick, it also means that to one-shot, he doesn't require the conventional "Ap gap". It's on the profile.

Already starting off with an accusation. Nice.

I never said Mikey never goes for pressure points. I said he doesn't always go for them. What I meant by that was questioning the importance of Mikey's kicks being thrown by him at pressure points of his opponents. There has never been an instance where Mikey couldn't damage a guy without pressure point strikes, then decided to throw a pressure point strike and one shot them. There's simply no reason to assume Mikey can only one shot dudes thanks to hitting their pressure points, especially when his durability feats (being unfazed by Peh's punches, tanking Kakucho's punches and not even reacting, tanking Izana's punches, casually tanking DU South's punches) heavily imply that his physical strength is what allows him to one shot. His PP is just for ***** and giggles.

TR characters are shown to be damaged by 9c weapons because of piercing damage,

Wow. 9-B characters wielding a knife actually downscales them to 9-C. Crazy logic tbh.

and it's what you always argue for them as why they fear guns, rather than because of their speed. Piercing damage definitely works against TR characters; they are not immune to pressure.

A lotta characters in fiction get damaged by guns when they have no bussiness getting damaged by them bruh. Being able to tank bullets doesn't scale Translucent above Mikey. It's just a difference of how guns work in different verses.

Also, a sword doesn't have as much piercing damage as a bullet anyway so your argument here fails both ways.


Anyways, Zetsu started counting vites so I'm going to vote as well.

Mikey as a kid is much more eager to use DI even if he doesn't do it on purpose, as his emotional intelligence and mental resistance at this key is far lower than his other keys (he literally activated them over him thinking Sanzu broke his toy lmao). He can very easily tank an attack even if it hits his PP with his massive AP difference and most likely activate his DI cuz of the slightest bit of rage he builds up from the pain. After that, it's literally over. He fear haxes and one shots her into oblivion. There isn't really much she can do. Voting Mikey.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

So the "people go from average human to stomping animals" thing actually never happens?

So that's like a 5x amp for speed

This is purely speculation on your part tbh. If Magic is a significant AP amp, it should have actually quantifiable AP amps on profiles.

"Other characters"

Already starting off with an accusation. Nice.

I never said Mikey never goes for pressure points. I said he doesn't always go for them. What I meant by that was questioning the importance of Mikey's kicks being thrown by him at pressure points of his opponents. There has never been an instance where Mikey couldn't damage a guy without pressure point strikes, then decided to throw a pressure point strike and one shot them. There's simply no reason to assume Mikey can only one shot dudes thanks to hitting their pressure points, especially when his durability feats (being unfazed by Peh's punches, tanking Kakucho's punches and not even reacting, tanking Izana's punches, casually tanking DU South's punches) heavily imply that his physical strength is what allows him to one shot. His PP is just for ***** and giggles.

Wow. 9-B characters wielding a knife actually downscales them to 9-C. Crazy logic tbh.

A lotta characters in fiction get damaged by guns when they have no bussiness getting damaged by them bruh. Being able to tank bullets doesn't scale Translucent above Mikey. It's just a difference of how guns work in different verses.

Also, a sword doesn't have as much piercing damage as a bullet anyway so your argument here fails both ways.


Anyways, Zetsu started counting vites so I'm going to vote as well.

Mikey as a kid is much more eager to use DI even if he doesn't do it on purpose, as his emotional intelligence and mental resistance at this key is far lower than his other keys (he literally activated them over him thinking Sanzu broke his toy lmao). He can very easily tank an attack even if it hits his PP with his massive AP difference and most likely activate his DI cuz of the slightest bit of rage he builds up from the pain. After that, it's literally over. He fear haxes and one shots her into oblivion. There isn't really much she can do. Voting Mikey.

Counted

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

It seems like the sword + magic and the range advantage nullify the AP/dura advantage Mikey has. Alexia has the better skill and analysis so she is likely landing the first strike. One vital strike will take Mikey out of the fight. Mikey would have to dodge Alexia's attack and I just can't see that happening with equal speed and her having the edge in skills by a no diff margin. Add in the better range with her sword plus higher IQ making her the more likely of the 2 to realize that the first strike will determine the winner I can't see Mikey winning.

Voting Alexia.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

It seems like the sword + magic and the range advantage nullify the AP/dura advantage Mikey has. Alexia has the better skill and analysis so she is likely landing the first strike. One vital strike will take Mikey out of the fight. Mikey would have to dodge Alexia's attack and I just can't see that happening with equal speed and her having the edge in skills by a no diff margin. Add in the better range with her sword plus higher IQ making her the more likely of the 2 to realize that the first strike will determine the winner I can't see Mikey winning.

Voting Alexia.

Counted

 

[Fezzih_007]

Alexia fra