Woody Woodpecker 4C downgrade

[Thanganimator]

The feat for 4C is here.

Problem​

In fact, feat is quite similar to the feat of Courage shouting and shattering the sun, which was discussed in this CRT and was rejected for the following reasons by Aggna.

"> That it didn't damage the environment around it, indicating that it wasn't actually that strong. The feat contradicts itself.

Beyond that, it presents multiple physics issues; a scream can't be carried to the sun like that, a star hit with a powerful scream would not break apart like that, a star broken apart like that would not naturally fall down, and a powerful scream would not cause it to fall down.

You have to ignore literally everything about the feat except for a brief, contextless, textual description to find it calculable."

And that's quite similar to feat 4C above. Problems such as a bullet not being able to travel through a vacuum, the sun being destroyed and yet the sky still shining, still linger.

Solution​

Converting tier 4C on Dooley to 4C via Toon Force similar to Courage and will not allow chain scaling.

• Here's another suggestion: If the above is rejected, we still need to calculate the bullet's kinetic energy or GBE because, according to the Tiering System, a character needs to destroy a star to reach that level, while in the video, we see the sun just being shot and then moving.

Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus (staff), @Youngwolf-0.1, @Robo432343, @GodlyCharmander, @AppleMaker, @Armorchompy (staff), @Greatsage13th
Neutral:
Disagree: @Phsccarvalho @StarShooter80, @Ebihara

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Yea, this is fine maybe

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The feat for 4C is here.

Problem​

In fact, feat is quite similar to the feat of Courage shouting and shattering the sun, which was discussed in this CRT and was rejected for the following reasons by Aggna.

"> That it didn't damage the environment around it, indicating that it wasn't actually that strong. The feat contradicts itself.

Beyond that, it presents multiple physics issues; a scream can't be carried to the sun like that, a star hit with a powerful scream would not break apart like that, a star broken apart like that would not naturally fall down, and a powerful scream would not cause it to fall down.

You have to ignore literally everything about the feat except for a brief, contextless, textual description to find it calculable."

And that's quite similar to feat 4C above. Problems such as a bullet not being able to travel through a vacuum, the sun being destroyed and yet the sky still shining, still linger.

Solution​

Converting tier 4C on Dooley to 4C via Toon Force similar to Courage and will not allow chain scaling.

Your entire argument is based on whataboutism and the appeal to authority fallacy. You don’t have any real argument based on any Wiki rule.

Just because Agnaa said something doesn’t mean it’s the absolute truth or a Wiki rule. Different staff members disagree with each other on many things or end up not following some Wiki rules for various reasons (just look at the current staff UES thread).

Seriously, Woody Woodpecker already had a downgrade made by an Admin only for it to be reverted by a Thread Mod shortly after. So simply using a staff member’s opinion is not a valid argument.

Moving on, in the Wiki we place fictional logic above real-life logic. We accept characters being faster than light despite that being realistically impossible. We ignore the issue of infinite mass and don’t rate them as High 3-A. We also ignore the fact that moving at the speed of light would cause massive destruction. We ignore all these unrealistic aspects and still rate them as SoL.

Many times, we ignore unrealistic elements and prioritize fictional logic.

Additionally, the feat you mention has other problems beyond just “unrealism.” The scream is an attack, and it is omnidirectional, meaning it should cause the same damage in all directions, but it only affected the Sun. This raises questions about whether it was really the raw power of the scream that caused damage to the Sun or if it was something else. Another problem is that a scream is inherently variable—one scream does not have the same power and intensity as another—so it’s very subjective whether Courage’s other screams have the same level of power.

None of this applies to Woody Woodpecker, since the Sun moves through the shot of a solid bullet. Firearms consistently deal similar damage at similar speeds; it’s not subjective.

Additionally, Woody Woodpecker’s feat is important to the narrative, since the duel was supposed to take place at sunset, and moving the Sun altered the time of day.

 

[Thanganimator]

Your entire argument is based on whataboutism and the appeal to authority fallacy. You don’t have any real argument based on any Wiki rule.

Just because Agnaa said something doesn’t mean it’s the absolute truth or a Wiki rule. Different staff members disagree with each other on many things or end up not following some Wiki rules for various reasons (just look at the current staff UES thread).

Seriously, Woody Woodpecker already had a downgrade made by an Admin only for it to be reverted by a Thread Mod shortly after. So simply using a staff member’s opinion is not a valid argument.

Moving on, in the Wiki we place fictional logic above real-life logic. We accept characters being faster than light despite that being realistically impossible. We ignore the issue of infinite mass and don’t rate them as High 3-A. We also ignore the fact that moving at the speed of light would cause massive destruction. We ignore all these unrealistic aspects and still rate them as SoL.

Many times, we ignore unrealistic elements and prioritize fictional logic.

Additionally, the feat you mention has other problems beyond just “unrealism.” The scream is an attack, and it is omnidirectional, meaning it should cause the same damage in all directions, but it only affected the Sun. This raises questions about whether it was really the raw power of the scream that caused damage to the Sun or if it was something else. Another problem is that a scream is inherently variable—one scream does not have the same power and intensity as another—so it’s very subjective whether Courage’s other screams have the same level of power.

None of this applies to Woody Woodpecker, since the Sun moves through the shot of a solid bullet. Firearms consistently deal similar damage at similar speeds; it’s not subjective.

Additionally, Woody Woodpecker’s feat is important to the narrative, since the duel was supposed to take place at sunset, and moving the Sun altered the time of day.

Didn't read, Allah

 

[Thanganimator]

Your entire argument is based on whataboutism and the appeal to authority fallacy. You don’t have any real argument based on any Wiki rule.

Just because Agnaa said something doesn’t mean it’s the absolute truth or a Wiki rule. Different staff members disagree with each other on many things or end up not following some Wiki rules for various reasons (just look at the current staff UES thread).

Seriously, Woody Woodpecker already had a downgrade made by an Admin only for it to be reverted by a Thread Mod shortly after. So simply using a staff member’s opinion is not a valid argument.

I mean, that CRT is acceptable.

Moving on, in the Wiki we place fictional logic above real-life logic. We accept characters being faster than light despite that being realistically impossible. We ignore the issue of infinite mass and don’t rate them as High 3-A. We also ignore the fact that moving at the speed of light would cause massive destruction. We ignore all these unrealistic aspects and still rate them as SoL.

Many times, we ignore unrealistic elements and prioritize fictional logic.

Additionally, the feat you mention has other problems beyond just “unrealism.” The scream is an attack, and it is omnidirectional, meaning it should cause the same damage in all directions, but it only affected the Sun. This raises questions about whether it was really the raw power of the scream that caused damage to the Sun or if it was something else. Another problem is that a scream is inherently variable—one scream does not have the same power and intensity as another—so it’s very subjective whether Courage’s other screams have the same level of power.

None of this applies to Woody Woodpecker, since the Sun moves through the shot of a solid bullet. Firearms consistently deal similar damage at similar speeds; it’s not subjective.

But I'm sure the sun wouldn't fall like that if it were shot.

Additionally, Woody Woodpecker’s feat is important to the narrative, since the duel was supposed to take place at sunset, and moving the Sun altered the time of day.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

A accepted CRT is not an absolute truth; it’s just people with voting power choosing what they think based on their own opinions. Seriously, WW was downgraded by an admin, and just a few days later the downgrade was undone through a CRT in which some staff members who previously agreed with the downgrade no longer agreed.

Yeah, and we accept characters who move at the speed of light unrealistically, who break the laws of physics and ignore a lot of things, because in many cases we consider fictional logic to take priority. Especially when we’re dealing with reality-warping beings like Discord, Bill, etc. It doesn’t need to be realistic.

And even if we consider it okay, bullets/shots are only 4-C with Toon Force. Dooley can withstand his own shots (they don’t even penetrate him, they only cause burns), and consequently this makes others scale from him by being able to damage Dooley.

 

[Thanganimator]

A accepted CRT is not an absolute truth; it’s just people with voting power choosing what they think based on their own opinions. Seriously, WW was downgraded by an admin, and just a few days later the downgrade was undone through a CRT in which some staff members who previously agreed with the downgrade no longer agreed.

Yeah, and we accept characters who move at the speed of light unrealistically, who break the laws of physics and ignore a lot of things, because in many cases we consider fictional logic to take priority. Especially when we’re dealing with reality-warping beings like Discord, Bill, etc. It doesn’t need to be realistic

And even if we consider it okay, bullets/shots are only 4-C with Toon Force. Dooley can withstand his own shots (they don’t even penetrate him, they only cause burns), and consequently this makes others scale from him by being able to damage Dooley.

Yeah, that seems logical to me, so I'm thinking of downgrading the speed because it seems like aim dodging.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I suggested this because Dooley shot while Woody was running, and Woody wasn't instantly overtaken. But if that's too vague, I can look for other episodes. As far as I remember, there's a train episode where Dooley shoots at Woody several times (while Woody also had his back turned) and doesn't manage to hit him.

I'll try to find it and post it here, but it's difficult because I'm on my phone.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

1:58

 

[Thanganimator]

1:58

Then okay

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, the feat looks like it's just a gag, and not a very well detailed one.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Yeah, the feat looks like it's just a gag, and not a very well detailed one.

All the characters based on Toon Force are.

Like, that's literally how they work.

Besides, since when does something being a joke invalidate the feat?

Everything within the verse is used as a joke.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

All the characters based on Toon Force are.

Like, that's literally how they work.

Besides, since when does something being a joke invalidate the feat?

Everything within the verse is used as a joke.

Not really the main concern. My intention was NOT to say say that all gag feats are invalid, but the main point is we always had a policy on gag feats being taken with a grain of salt. The specific scene portrays the sun in the background as being a tiny sun as opposed to a real sun that happens to be 150 million km away.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I've already said a few things, but in response to the comparison between Courage and Dooley...

"> That it didn't damage the environment around it, indicating that it wasn't actually that strong. The feat contradicts itself.

Agnaa says this because the screams are omnidirectional, as he commented.

The reasoning given was that it wouldn't be omnidirectional, that it would be focused, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be. Screams propagate very differently from lasers. Noises are just objects vibrating, causing air to vibrate.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/coura...0541:~:text=The reasoning given,into the sun.
Given the echoes, the direction faced, and how screaming conventionally operates, it's unfeasible to say it was a focused beam into the sun.

This has nothing to do with Woody's feat, since what moves the Sun is a bullet, a shot, something concentrated. Not an omnidirectional scream that should destroy everything around it with the same intensity.

Beyond that, it presents multiple physics issues; a scream can't be carried to the sun like that, a star hit with a powerful scream would not break apart like that, a star broken apart like that would not naturally fall down, and a powerful scream would not cause it to fall down.

Besides the fact that I find this argument ridiculous, since it's very common in fiction for characters to talk in space or even, like Superman, sneeze in space and destroy stars, this has nothing to do with Dooley's feat.

A bullet is a physical object, so it only traveled a physical distance.

And honestly, the sun moving isn't "unrealistic," it didn't break like a vibrator, it just moved.

You have to ignore literally everything about the feat except for a brief, contextless, textual description to find it calculable."

The feat is based on the idea of moving a star or galaxy at FTL speed f the stellar or galaxy's AP.

And that's quite similar to feat 4C above. Problems such as a bullet not being able to travel through a vacuum, the sun being destroyed and yet the sky still shining, still linger.

What are you talking about? If you shoot into space, the bullet will move in a vacuum. Besides, the Sun wasn't destroyed, it was moved to a different location.

Solution​

Converting tier 4C on Dooley to 4C via Toon Force similar to Courage and will not allow chain scaling.

Even with 4-C via Toon Force, Dooley physically withstands these shots, and the scale remains the same.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Not really the main concern. My intention was NOT to say say that all gag feats are invalid, but the main point is we always had a policy on gag feats being taken with a grain of salt. The specific scene portrays the sun in the background as being a tiny sun as opposed to a real sun that happens to be 150 million km away.

Where did you get the idea that the Sun is tiny? The Sun looks exactly as it does when we look at it from Earth. The characters and our POV are on Earth, so we see it as something small even though it isn't.

Besides, Woody goes to space several times and the Sun isn't as close as you suggest.

Like, it's Earth, it's the Sun, where are you getting the idea that it's smaller than normal or closer than normal?

 

[Thanganimator]

I've already said a few things, but in response to the comparison between Courage and Dooley...


Agnaa says this because the screams are omnidirectional, as he commented.

This has nothing to do with Woody's feat, since what moves the Sun is a bullet, a shot, something concentrated. Not an omnidirectional scream that should destroy everything around it with the same intensity.


Besides the fact that I find this argument ridiculous, since it's very common in fiction for characters to talk in space or even, like Superman, sneeze in space and destroy stars, this has nothing to do with Dooley's feat.

A bullet is a physical object, so it only traveled a physical distance.

And honestly, the sun moving isn't "unrealistic," it didn't break like a vibrator, it just moved.


The feat is based on the idea of moving a star or galaxy at FTL speed f the stellar or galaxy's AP.


What are you talking about? If you shoot into space, the bullet will move in a vacuum. Besides, the Sun wasn't destroyed, it was moved to a different location.


Even with 4-C via Toon Force, Dooley physically withstands these shots, and the scale remains the same.

So we would need to calculate the kinetic energy required to move a star with a bullet, since it's clearly not destroyed but only moved as you said.

 

[Robo432343]

I agree with removing this feat

 

[Thanganimator]

Where did you get the idea that the Sun is tiny? The Sun looks exactly as it does when we look at it from Earth. The characters and our POV are on Earth, so we see it as something small even though it isn't.

Besides, Woody goes to space several times and the Sun isn't as close as you suggest.

Like, it's Earth, it's the Sun, where are you getting the idea that it's smaller than normal or closer than normal?

What he meant was similar to cases like this. So either 4C via Toon Force or calculate the kinetic energy of the bullet. And yes, although shown, in the cartoon, the celestial bodies in the background are depicted very inconsistently and may appear smaller for comedic effect.

 

[Thanganimator]

Yeah, the feat looks like it's just a gag, and not a very well detailed one.

I've just added another suggestion, what do you think?

 

[Thanganimator]

I've just added another suggestion on this thread or CRT, what do you think?

I agree with removing this feat

 

[Phsccarvalho]

What he meant was similar to cases like this. So either 4C via Toon Force or calculate the kinetic energy of the bullet. And yes, although shown, in the cartoon, the celestial bodies in the background are depicted very inconsistently and may appear smaller for comedic effect.

The sun in WW is never shown to be of inconsistent size.

Like, again, stop bringing up other cartoons that have nothing to do with WW.

Okay, so some cartoons might show things like the Sun having inconsistent sizes. But where in this one is the Sun inconsistent? It's literally normal size; it looks exactly as it does when we look at it from Earth.

And as I showed in the other clip, the Sun is far from Earth as it normally is. Woody goes into space several times, and the Sun is never near Earth.

I've just added another suggestion on this thread or CRT, what do you think?

Impossible.

The bullet is MFTL and the Sun also moves in MFTL. It's impossible to calculate using KE.

 

[Thanganimator]

The sun in WW is never shown to be of inconsistent size.

Like, again, stop bringing up other cartoons that have nothing to do with WW.

Okay, so some drawings might show things like the Sun having inconsistent sizes. But where in this one is the Sun inconsistent? It's literally normal size; it looks exactly as it does when we look at it from Earth.

And as I showed in the other clip, the Sun is far from Earth as it normally is. Woody goes into space several times, and the Sun is never near Earth.

I'm just saying that he's relying on such cases and giving an example, like, you can give an example to support your argument, but I can't?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

you can give an example to support your argument, but I can't?

But at no point are you trying to counter-argue using WW itself.

You're just picking cases from other verses, which is whataboutism.

 

[Thanganimator]

Impossible.

The bullet is MFTL (meaning "fast, steady, and free") and the Sun also moves in MFTL. It's impossible to calculate using KE.

I mean, my problem is just downgrading.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I mean, my problem is just downgrading.

So you just want to downgrade based on whatever you find instead of some real argument?

Like, you didn't even bother to find out that you can't calculate the feat because it's MFTL, and that 4-C is based on the standard that moving stars at FTL speeds is at least that tier.

 

[Thanganimator]

But at no point are you trying to counter-argue using WW itself.

You're just picking cases from other verses, which is whataboutism.

My argument isn't even whataboutism; I'm simply presenting evidence from previous precedents accepted by the VS Battle Wiki itself and from reputable individuals.

 

[Thanganimator]

So you just want to downgrade based on whatever you find instead of some real argument?

Like, you didn't even bother to find out that you can't calculate the feat because it's MFTL, and that 4-C is based on the standard that moving stars at FTL speeds is at least that tier.

Yes I know this feat can't be calculate, but I'm simply pointing out the things that don't make sense here. And don't be sarcastic like that.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

My argument isn't even whataboutism; I'm simply presenting evidence from previous precedents accepted by the VS Battle Wiki itself and from reputable individuals.

You're bringing up other verses, with other contexts, with other problems, to try and argue against something you can't even handle. In VS Battle, we don't pay much attention to precedents, and using other people's opinions on other things is just...

All the counter-arguments I'm giving you are only accepting because you don't know what to counter-argue with.

Yes I know this feat can't be calculate, but I'm simply pointing out the things that don't make sense here. And don't be sarcastic like that.

If you know the feat is not calculable, why did you propose something impossible to do?

This just seems to me like a desperate attempt to downgrade based on anything (even things impossible to do like calculating the feat) instead of trying to use some real argument.

 

[Thanganimator]

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4-C: Star level Characters or objects that can create/destroy a star.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Celestial Body Feats

In fiction, some of the more impressive feats are those involving constellations and celestial bodies in general. Those feats are often hard to quantify due to going beyond the physics. The following is the agreement on how it will be done. If a constellation is created by moving stars...

vsbattles.fandom.com

If a constellation is created by moving stars, typically the attack potency of the character doing so would be calculated through the use of Kinetic Energy.

More often than not this involves moving stars at faster than light speeds. Since Kinetic energy of faster than light objects can not be quantified by the use of real life physics, those feats are ranked as following:

• If one planet or multiple planets or stars are moved the equivalent Attack Potency is the sum of their GBE. Per default it is assumed that only the stars themselves are moved whenever stars are moved in the night sky to form constellations. Usually Stars can be considered to be like our sun and planets to be like earth, as long as no better guess is possible.
• If a whole Solar System is moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Solar System level.
• If multiple Solar Systems are moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Multi-Solar System level.
• If a whole Galaxy is moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Galaxy level.
• If multiple Galaxies are moved at FTL speed, the feat will be ranked as Multi-Galaxy level.

Gravitational Binding Energy

Gravitational binding energy is the energy needed to completely disperse a celestial body. If GBE is broken, the particles of the body will not reform or be bound to each other's gravity, but instead drift off infinitely in the direction they were moved towards. There are precise calculations...

vsbattles.fandom.com

List of approximate GBE values for various objects​

• Earth's moon (Luna): 1.24e29J
• Earth: 2.487e32J (Calculated with a more accurate method than the above formula)
• OTS 44: 6.906e37J
• VB 10: 3.139e40J
• The sun (Sol): 5.693e41J
• Rigel A: 3.817e42J

5.693e41J is exactly 136.066 Quettatons, which we use as the minimum for 4-C.

 

[Thanganimator]

Celestial Body Feats

In fiction, some of the more impressive feats are those involving constellations and celestial bodies in general. Those feats are often hard to quantify due to going beyond the physics. The following is the agreement on how it will be done. If a constellation is created by moving stars...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Gravitational Binding Energy

Gravitational binding energy is the energy needed to completely disperse a celestial body. If GBE is broken, the particles of the body will not reform or be bound to each other's gravity, but instead drift off infinitely in the direction they were moved towards. There are precise calculations...

vsbattles.fandom.com

5.693e41J is exactly 136.066 Quettatons, which we use as the minimum for 4-C.

I will wait for feedback from other staff members until the topic is finalized.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

You didn't even try to research that to create the CRT.

It's funny how throughout this entire CRT you only agree with my arguments

 

[Thanganimator]

You didn't even try to research that to create the CRT.

It's funny how throughout this entire CRT you only agree with my arguments

I mean, I actually got my inspiration for the feat Ressurction (Narrative) for Looney Tunes from your Woody CRT, so I honestly feel a little guilty for doing this downgrade.

 

[Dragonite007]

I mean, I actually got my inspiration for the feat Ressurction (Narrative) for Looney Tunes from your Woody CRT, so I honestly feel a little guilty for doing this downgrade.

Et tu, Brute?

 

[Thanganimator]

Bump

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Now that I realize that Courage's "precedent" doesn't even make sense.

He literally kept the 4-C in his profile. His feat of breaking the Sun with a scream was still maintained in his profile. That is, even in Courage's case, the Sun was treated as having the size of the real Sun and the distance of the real Sun from Earth.

It's not even "4-C via Toon Force through the scream," it's just "4-C with a scream." This is not a precedent to disqualify toon feats.

What prevents Courage from being completely 4-C like Woody is that Courage's scream doesn't directly scale to the durability of any character, unlike Dooley who resists his own shots.

 

[Thanganimator]

Now that I realize that Courage's "precedent" doesn't even make sense.

He literally kept the 4-C in his profile. His feat of breaking the Sun with a scream was still maintained in his profile. That is, even in Courage's case, the Sun was treated as having the size of the real Sun and the distance of the real Sun from Earth.

It's not even "4-C via Toon Force through the scream," it's just "4-C with a scream." This is not a precedent to disqualify toon feats.

What prevents Courage from being completely 4-C like Woody is that Courage's scream doesn't directly scale to the durability of any character, unlike Dooley who resists his own shots.

Look at his Durability and this calc. It's still "via Toon Force". I never said that because the sun is small it wouldn't be accepted.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Look at his Durability

Because it doesn't scale to Courage's Durability because it's a shout. And there isn't a single scene where we can use Courage's shout to scale to any character or even Courage himself.

Seriously, you still don't understand that 4-C physically scales to Dooley because he RESISTS HIS OWN SHOTS? There are literally scenes of him shooting himself and surviving. Seriously, what's so hard to understand about that?

and this calc.

Because one is a scream and the other is a gunshot.

One isn't physical and the other is physical.

They are literally different cases. Like, again you're using different verses with different cases to try and downgrade.

And again, even if it were with Toon Force, Woody dodges the shots, so it's literally the same thing.

It's still "via Toon Force".

Tell me, where in Courage's profile does it say "4-C via Toon Force"? Seriously, point me anywhere in his tier or AP that says that.

And as I've literally said dozens of times, even with Toon Force, it literally remains the same since Dooley resists his own gunshots and other people physically hurt him. You literally didn't refute that at any point.

The physical scale literally remains the same, nothing changes.

 

[Thanganimator]

Because it doesn't scale to Courage's Durability because it's a shout. And there isn't a single scene where we can use Courage's shout to scale to any character or even Courage himself.

Seriously, you still don't understand that 4-C physically scales to Dooley because he RESISTS HIS OWN SHOTS? There are literally scenes of him shooting himself and surviving. Seriously, what's so hard to understand about that?


Because one is a scream and the other is a gunshot.

One isn't physical and the other is physical.

Sure

They are literally different cases. Like, again you're using different verses with different cases to try and downgrade.

How is this different from Courage, except that Courage is done through scream?

And again, even if it were with Toon Force, Woody dodges the shots, so it's literally the same thing.


Tell me, where in Courage's profile does it say "4-C via Toon Force"? Seriously, point me anywhere in his tier or AP that says that.

And as I've literally said dozens of times, even with Toon Force, it literally remains the same since Dooley resists his own gunshots and other people physically hurt him.

The physical scale literally remains the same, nothing changes.

So you're saying the calculation didn't explain how his scream was a toon force?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

How is this different from Courage, except that Courage is done through scream?

Because one is a shot, a bullet. You know that revolvers and bullets are physical things, right?

The bullet is simply traveling fast; no Toon Force is being applied to it. You haven't presented any argument as to why it would be Toon Force instead of the bullet simply traveling at that speed.

It's not the same case.

Your entire review is basically you trying to take your favorite verse that was downgraded and try to apply it to Wonder Woman, even though everything is totally different.

So you're saying the calculation didn't explain how his scream was a toon force?

Dude, didn't you read what I said? Like... read.

WHERE in Courage's profile on AP and Tier is it 4-C via Toon Force? Could you ever argue against something?

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Besides, even though I don't care what Courage's calculation says, we have our own calculation, honestly, screw Courage.

Seriously, you didn't explain why Dooley's shot speed is toon force instead of simply being fast.