5-C The Moon Rampage Tier setter Tournament (2026): Asta vs Shuna (STOMPED)

[DemonicDude]

Tournament Main Thread
GROUP A

Vs

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• Keys: 5-C
• Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
• Distance: 4 km SBA
• Win:
  • Win via killing
  • or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament.
• Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody
• Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed
• Group A:
• Winner: 2 points
• Loser: 0 Points
• Incon: Coin flip winner advances 1 points
• Location: Via SBA, Black Rock Desert, Nevada, USA. with rocks and stones hills

Character	Votes
Asta Land of the Sun Arc key or higher key if lower key get's stomped to put up somewhat of a challenge.
Shuna
Incon

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah.... This seems like a stomp, 1000x speed amp (perception and combat for magic), that, alongside her being able to instantly use sleep manipulation to knock Asta out... (Or just another magic spell she has....)

 

[DontTalkDT]

Yeah.... This seems like a stomp, 1000x speed amp (perception and combat for magic), that, alongside her being able to instantly use sleep manipulation to knock Asta out... (Or just another magic spell she has....)

Why again would she lose against Tatsumaki?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Why again would she lose against Tatsumaki?

She got stomped by Range advantage + AP + Lifting strength; she is fully vulnerable to physical attacks. So yeah, Tatsumaki's telekenis can completely one-tap Shuna, in multiple ways....

 

[DontTalkDT]

Seems like a similar range issue would give her trouble against Asta

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Seems like a similar range issue would give her trouble against Asta

Not really, since Asta likes to get up close and personal, not to mention how Shuna can analyse and access all of Asta's abilities, and completely nullify any magical attack. (either through anti-magic area, or just using her Unqieu skill, that allows her to disrupt other peoples powers and use them against themself...)

So yeah, there is a wide difference in how Tatumaki and Asta fight (Tatumaki from long range and Asta likes to get close and personal), not to mention how SHuna can not actually nullify Tatumaki's powers as she can with Asta....

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Why Asta's profile is outdated?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Why Asta's profile is outdated?

No one updated it yet

Honestly, likely lacks supporters willing to spend time improving it.

 

[DemonicDude]

I'll wait for speedster.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Not really, since Asta likes to get up close and personal, not to mention how Shuna can analyse and access all of Asta's abilities, and completely nullify any magical attack. (either through anti-magic area, or just using her Unqieu skill, that allows her to disrupt other peoples powers and use them against themself...)

So yeah, there is a wide difference in how Tatumaki and Asta fight (Tatumaki from long range and Asta likes to get close and personal), not to mention how SHuna can not actually nullify Tatumaki's powers as she can with Asta....

How are you nulling antimagic that nulls every magic null?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

How are you nulling antimagic that nulls every magic null?

It doesn't "nullify magic" itself, but the energy and mechanics behind it. (while Anti magic is not "mana", it is an energy that practically functions like it.)

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Dark and me debated this on discord and I gave the girl the victory with the conditions of the fight but this should not be added in case fights are gonna be added because Asta is outdated, the speed difference makes her win if speed rules are getting ignored and technically Shuna should have more powers but her profile needs more CTR

 

[DemonicDude]

(Yes it is true that those profiles which are outdated matches should not be added on them)
Anyways, Do we need votes here or is this a flat out stomp?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

(Yes it is true that those profiles which are outdated matches should not be added on them)
Anyways, Do we need votes here or is this a flat out stomp?

If she is 1000 times faster she wins

If speed rules are used, could be "inconclusive" or Asta victory like 65/35, but because Asta is outdated, his main victory condition is not on his profile, so Shura has more possibilities

 

[DemonicDude]

I guess we need votes here then after all
Wish speedster would've showed up here, as we are concluding his character's first match up.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I guess we need votes here then after all
Wish speedster would've showed up here, as we are concluding his character's first match up.

Wait for him 1 or 2 days

 

[DemonicDude]

Alright, will wait.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

(Yes it is true that those profiles which are outdated matches should not be added on them)
Anyways, Do we need votes here or is this a flat out stomp?

Pretty much, with how the current rules are set up it's a speed stomp, either for Shuna or Asta.... Since speed is equalized, Shuna stomps, if it were unequaled Asta would stomp...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Dark and me debated this on discord and I gave the girl the victory with the conditions of the fight but this should not be added in case fights are gonna be added because Asta is outdated, the speed difference makes her win if speed rules are getting ignored and technically Shuna should have more powers but her profile needs more CTR

I thought you referred Dark as a girl until I re read your message

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Pretty much, with how the current rules are set up it's a speed stomp, either for Shuna or Asta.... Since speed is equalized, Shuna stomps, if it were unequaled Asta would stomp...

Btw speed amps are allowed if it's the faster character that's blitzing, but since Asta is originally faster, she can't win via that wincon

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Btw speed amps are allowed if it's the faster character that's blitzing, but since Asta is originally faster, she can't win via that

It seems the tournament is ignoring said rules

That is what I said in my comment and literally the first thing I debated with Dark

Edit: I was also against using Asta in the tournament

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It seems the tournament is ignoring said rules

That is what I said in my comment and literally the first thing I debated with Dark

Edit: I was also against using Asta in the tournament

Mmm I see

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Btw speed amps are allowed if it's the faster character that's blitzing, but since Asta is originally faster, she can't win via that wincon

Yeah, the match can't be added.... (No matter how we deal with this one, it's gonna be a stomp, one direction or another...)

 

[DemonicDude]

I'll wait for speedster, I'm allowing him to find s replacement if possible

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yeah, the match can't be added.... (No matter how we deal with this one, it's gonna be a stomp, one direction or another...)

Also wouldn't this be attack speed... Not combat? (If anyone knows)

 

[DemonicDude]

if both kazuma and dark agrees that asta should be replaced turn I'll follow majority and ask speedster to find replacement.

if he can not Asta will be removed 2 points given to all his opponents in Group A.
Only "if" it comes down to this.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Asta can be used but no fight should be added

But the reason I don't want to use him despite that is that I don't see how he is able to lose against Tatsumaki, I already said Ichika defeated her in another tournament, Asta is Ichika on steroids

Pyra was already removed for what I am seeing, both are literally top 4 and 5 in the strongest non smurf list, pretty hard to do anything against the literal 4 strongest character in the tier in a tournament of said tier

 

[DemonicDude]

Alright then. We'll keep Asta in the tournament. I'll wait for @speedster352 but I think then match is done and dusted based off of speed discussion. Shuna wins.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also wouldn't this be attack speed... Not combat? (If anyone knows)

Cast Cancel makes the user able to use magic at a speed equal to their perception (something that is accepted on the wiki)

 

[DemonicDude]

let me know, when should I move on to next 2 matches when current two are done and dusted.

 

[Mommyleona]

Why Asta's profile is outdated?

Good question... I wouldn't know the answer to that

 

[Tatsumi504]

his main victory condition

What would that be?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

What would that be?

Being able to nullify her hax and attack her basically, he has more range with a zetten strike and can predict her with Ki

But if the girl is 1000 times faster then is just lmao stomp

 

[Mommyleona]

alongside her being able to instantly use sleep manipulation to knock Asta out... (Or just another magic spell she has....)

Pretty sure Asta should have resistance to sleep manipulation.. and if it's magic it just straight up wont work due to passive anti magic asta emits

Not really, since Asta likes to get up close and personal,

Kinda, but he can start with long range too

and completely nullify any magical attack. (either through anti-magic area, or just using her Unqieu skill, that allows her to disrupt other peoples powers and use them against themself...)

Anti magic is not magic.. and he would be the one negating her ability if it's magic based

But yeah Asta's profile is outdated asf and just generally needs a big rework
So i don't see a point in using his profile tbh
gimme a few months or smth and i'll get to him trust

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

gimme a few months or smth and i'll get to him trust

I talked with him about all of this, do not worry

We just need to do the revisions

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

The current conditions of the match and the state of Asta's profile make this a stomp in Shuna's favour.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Cast Cancel makes the user able to use magic at a speed equal to their perception (something that is accepted on the wiki)

Meaning it's the magic's speed and not her own movement...?

Although... It lowkey seems inaccurate and just not true, as it can also more likely mean her magic doesn't require any casting (Meaning no charging)... Not that the speed or the movement of her magic is 1000x

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Meaning it's the magic's speed and not her own movement...?

Shuna has no actual "speed feat"; all her combat is through magic, which includes offensive and defensive magic, alongside other stuff....

Although... It lowkey seems inaccurate and just not true, as it can also more likely mean her magic doesn't require any casting (Meaning no charging)... Not that the speed or the movement of her magic is 1000x

Here is the thing... Magic in tensura doesn't actually require it to be "thrown", a large amount of the spells spawn "instantly" on the target or where they want, since it's fully based on casters imagination...

Either way, it's not here we should debate it, but just know it has been fully accepted on the wiki before, and has been accepted again just recently.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Shuna has no actual "speed feat"; all her combat is through magic, which includes offensive and defensive magic, alongside other stuff....


Here is the thing... Magic in tensura doesn't actually require it to be "thrown", a large amount of the spells spawn "instantly" on the target or where they want, since it's fully based on casters imagination...

Either way, it's not here we should debate it, but just know it has been fully accepted on the wiki before, and has been accepted again just recently.

I blurred it for a reason...

Still simply not true.. We can already see her fire illusions having movement and you'd still need further proof of it affecting her magic directly besides just its casting (Or at least proof on how it would affect her magic). Either way it's still attack speed and not combat speed based on what you said at the top... Her using it in combat does not make it her combat speed

Not here to debate tho, hopefully someone will change that in the future.

 

[DemonicDude]

Damm getting a good debate here