Dust Sans (FC/OC vs battle) get a buff and power reduction

[Oikarian]

I noticed that the canonical Murder in that 9-B fandom is because of Sans undertale, although these are different universes, because we can't compare Archie Sonic and the game Sonic, in the same case, and Dust Sans and Undertale Sans himself, because different authors and never mentioned that they are related. Canon is like UTF giving Insanity the island level. Yes, it sounds strange, but different authors give different levels. This is an example of UTF.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Oikarian/Dusttale_(canon)_-_scaling

Strength, AP and DC: High 8-C Large Building level and with karma From High 8-C Large Building level to High 3-A: High Universe level (It depends on the number of sins)

Durability: High 8-C Large Building level

Speed: Subsonic

Abilities, hax and weapons: Gaster blaster, magic bones, teleport, telekines, knife, bone weapons (spears, tridents of any shape), conditional regeneration, coffee, chemicals, poison and traps.

Potential: High 3-A: High Universe level (LV can grow infinitely)

Cosmology hax: Low 2-C: Universe level+ (If Dust Sans dies, the universe will be erased)

 

[ManhwaGrace]

If it's not full canon why would we use it, and are these AI questions?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Why would you even make a CRT for Dust Sans in the Vswiki section

 

[Oikarian]

If it's not full canon why would we use it, and are these AI questions?

Usually we can't take this into account as canon because the author, even Toby Fox, doesn't know about it. Every author even argues that Sans can't stop time or create platforms. In fact, it's a different Sans. To tell the truth, the real canon Sans won't become Dust Sans because he himself admitted that he gave up and there's no point in continuing his life.

 

[Oikarian]

Why would you even make a CRT for Dust Sans in the Vswiki section

There is no forum for it, but I know that there are people from FC OC here.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

There is no forum for it, but I know that there are people from FC OC here.

Yeah but this section is like meant for Vswiki CRTs

 

[Psychomaster35]

This exists you know

 

[Randomuser3412]

I'm not sure this is the right place for a revision like this, but most of these are grossly out of context and don't imply what you're saying.

 

[Oikarian]

This exists you know

I just noticed, yes, thank you.

 

[Oikarian]

I'm not sure this is the right place for a revision like this, but most of these are grossly out of context and don't imply what you're saying.

For example?

 

[Randomuser3412]

For example?

Calva does not say Murder is capable of breaking down buildings in the scan in that blog. She says it's something she's never thought about and doesn't actually answer if he could or not, you seemingly take this to mean he can for no reason. Additionally, breaking down buildings is not Large Building level.

 

[Oikarian]

I'm not sure this is the right place for a revision like this, but most of these are grossly out of context and don't imply what you're saying.

It's clear in this context that he says he's not interested, but he can. He didn't say he couldn't. Kalva himself also made a similar level where Dust Sans destroys the laboratory in Novella. So, if you give the canonical Dust motivation, he can do it. Basically, in Ask, he seems interested in destroying stores and similar boxes that won't help Frisk in battle.

 

[Randomuser3412]

It's clear in this context that he says he's not interested, but he can. He didn't say he couldn't. Kalva himself also made a similar level where Dust Sans destroys the laboratory in Novella. So, if you give the canonical Dust motivation, he can do it. Basically, in Ask, he seems interested in destroying stores and similar boxes that won't help Frisk in battle.

We can't assume he can break down buildings. She didn't say he could or couldn't in the ask and we don't assume things randomly without evidence. The Mad Time Novel (while it IS peak fiction) is not canon and shouldn't be brought up here.
While there is statements of him destroying the shops the human would use, unlike the ask seen in the blog, it does not mention how he would do it or the timeframe. So, it's really at best Small Building level for his magic.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

I moved this thread to the FC/OC board.

 

[Oikarian]

We can't assume he can break down buildings. She didn't say he could or couldn't in the ask and we don't assume things randomly without evidence. The Mad Time Novel (while it IS peak fiction) is not canon and shouldn't be brought up here.
While there is statements of him destroying the shops the human would use, unlike the ask seen in the blog, it does not mention how he would do it or the timeframe. So, it's really at best Small Building level for his magic.

Ask Dust also destroys stores. Kalv answers most of the questions in Ask, and the Novella version is made by Kalv. These are, of course, different universes. However, considering that he didn't attach any importance to it and didn't say that Dust Sans is limited to only such minor destruction, he is quite capable, especially if the Author said that Dust Sans isn't motivated to destroy large buildings, but he can if he has an interest. In the case of Novella, in the case of the Novella version, I know that the power levels are different, Kalv answers in Ask, not the team. But yes, the Novella version is surprising since you can even give it the speed of light, since Frisk dodges lasers faster, Even if you lower the level, through its lvl up you can give hypersonic - massive hypersonic, the level of destruction can also be high. The novel version can be given a high level.

 

[Randomuser3412]

especially if the Author said that Dust Sans isn't motivated to destroy large buildings, but he can if he has an interest

She never said "he could if he wanted to." She flat out didn't mention if he could or couldn't. I'm not interested in destroying large buildings, but it doesn't mean that I could if I was.

since Frisk dodges lasers faster

This never happens in the Mad Time Novel.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

I noticed that the canonical Murder in that 9-B fandom is because of Sans undertale, although these are different universes, because we can't compare Archie Sonic and the game Sonic, in the same case, and Dust Sans and Undertale Sans himself, because different authors and never mentioned that they are related. Canon is like UTF giving Insanity the island level. Yes, it sounds strange, but different authors give different levels. This is an example of UTF.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Oikarian/Dusttale_(canon)_-_scaling

Strength, AP and DC: High 8-C Large Building level and with karma From High 8-C Large Building level to High 3-A: High Universe level (It depends on the number of sins)

Durability: High 8-C Large Building level

Speed: Subsonic

Abilities, hax and weapons: Gaster blaster, magic bones, teleport, telekines, knife, bone weapons (spears, tridents of any shape), conditional regeneration, coffee, chemicals, poison and traps.

Potential: High 3-A: High Universe level (LV can grow infinitely)

Cosmology hax: Low 2-C: Universe level+ (If Dust Sans dies, the universe will be erased)

this is not the place. but am pretty sure half of this scaling is invalid due to WOG leading questions, so he is at like High 8-C without them. same case as error, go to altwiki or FOC wiki instead

 

[Randomuser3412]

You're correct in there being multiple leading questions (not like Murder has anything without WOG, though).

so he is at like High 8-C

But he still isn't High 8-C, with or without them

 

[Oikarian]

She never said "he could if he wanted to." She flat out didn't mention if he could or couldn't. I'm not interested in destroying large buildings, but it doesn't mean that I could if I was.

"not interested" but he can if it interferes with something Frisk, he didn't add restrictions, but if it were then there would have to be a different context

This never happens in the Mad Time Novel.

It depends on the translator. Personally, it was a dodge before the shot, but that's not a fact. The novel version will be difficult to understand due to the poor translation, but it doesn't make sense.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

You're correct in there being multiple leading questions (not like Murder has anything without WOG, though).

But he still isn't High 8-C, with or without them

idk I usally uses underverse cuz it has actual in screen feats, but he isnt anywhere close to like 3A, at least error and ink have statments of destorying and keeping univeres on check

 

[Randomuser3412]

"not interested" but he can if it interferes with something Frisk, he didn't add restrictions, but if it were then there would have to be a different context

No? That's not even close to what Calva said there. She didn't say he could destroy skyscrapers if The Human was making use of them or anything.
Legitimately, you can get NOTHING from that statement. She didn't answer the question at all, there's no implication of "he could if he wanted to" and it's baseless to assume that.

 

[Oikarian]

No? That's not even close to what Calva said there. She didn't say he could destroy skyscrapers if The Human was making use of them or anything.
Legitimately, you can get NOTHING from that statement. She didn't answer the question at all, there's no implication of "he could if he wanted to" and it's baseless to assume that.

Calva didn't say he couldn't destroy, he said he had no interest in destroying. In Novel, of course, Calva made Dust Sans more interested in destruction, but in Ask, Calva is responsible, and he didn't give much of an organizational limit to Ask Dust. I would agree if the context was that Dust Sans would have difficulty doing this, but he's absent. Dust Sans simply isn't interested in it, although he might be. In Ask, Dust Sans is only interested in destroying stores that would interfere with Frisk.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Calva didn't say he couldn't destroy, he said he had no interest in destroying.

This doesn't matter. It doesn't prove that Murder could in any way. You would still have to prove that he could destroy large buildings such as skycrapers in canon material.

 

[Oikarian]

This doesn't matter. It doesn't prove that Murder could in any way. You would still have to prove that he could destroy large buildings such as skycrapers in canon material.

This is Ask, in case we read it as a novella, only questions and answers. You're probably just avoiding such true stories. But in any case, Dust Sans is not Undertale Sans. Although I'm even curious why Ask Dust Calv even came up with the idea that if you kill Dust, the universe will be erased. That's some kind of nonsense, similar to Spider-Man. But in any case, these exploits are only in Ask, the material is the same as in real life. This is not Undertale, but Dust, which is not even 1% similar to its canonical counterpart.

 

[Randomuser3412]

...What? If that's all you have to say, I won't respond about this anymore, as this is just stonewalling.

 

[Oikarian]

...What? If that's all you have to say, I won't respond about this anymore, as this is just stonewalling.

What are you talking about? If you're talking about feats, of course Dust Sans is limited only to the level of a large building, since he needs that kind of motivation. Just as Calv responds to everything from our imaginations, if we imagine that Dust Sans is interested in what he'll do, Ask himself is usually based on fantasy associations. We can imagine him killing Papyrus first or leaving him last. But if we really need that from the author, we can read the novella, which is semi-canon, or watch FNF, which Calv helped create.

 

[Randomuser3412]

What are you talking about? If you're talking about feats, of course Dust Sans is limited only to the level of a large building, since he needs that kind of motivation. Just as Calv responds to everything from our imaginations, if we imagine that Dust Sans is interested in what he'll do, Ask himself is usually based on fantasy associations. We can imagine him killing Papyrus first or leaving him last. But if we really need that from the author, we can read the novella, which is semi-canon, or watch FNF, which Calv helped create.

As I've said countless times, her response does not suggest he could do it if he was motivated to. It does not suggest he couldn't do it. It does not suggest he could do it. There is NOTHING that could be gained from looking into that.
She's already gone on record to say there is no other canon media for Dusttale other than the asks in the blog and Murder's concept page. The Novel and especially the FNF mod can't be used.

 

[Oikarian]

As I've said countless times, her response does not suggest he could do it if he was motivated to. It does not suggest he couldn't do it. It does not suggest he could do it. There is NOTHING that could be gained from looking into that.
She's already gone on record to say there is no other canon media for Dusttale other than the asks in the blog and Murder's concept page. The Novel and especially the FNF mod can't be used.

I told you it's based on curiosity, although I'm even interested in where you got the context from, what does he suggest? Kalva never said that he suggests her answer is any trap, any poison based on our fantasies, as well as the fantasy of destroying buildings, but Kalva, who created the novel, is unlikely to suggest the level to him.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I'm sorry. I can't understand what you're trying to say here.

 

[Oikarian]

I'm sorry. I can't understand what you're trying to say here.

You say Calv assumes, although in this context there is no such thing. The question was unexpected for him. Basically, Calv simply answered that he is not interested. This context exists and cannot be refuted unless the author himself renounces it. The plot of Dust's ask is absent because we are inventing a plot based on fantasies and not on the author's words. In fact, we can use fantasies to make it seem like he is interested in this.

 

[Randomuser3412]

You say Calv assumes, although in this context there is no such thing. The question was unexpected for him. Basically, Calv simply answered that he is not interested. This context exists and cannot be refuted unless the author himself renounces it. The plot of Dust's ask is absent because we are inventing a plot based on fantasies and not on the author's words. In fact, we can use fantasies to make it seem like he is interested in this.

All right. I wasn't saying Calva was assuming anything, I was saying that you were assuming Murder could destroy large buildings for no reason. Why I say it's for "no reason" is that Calva's response does not suggest that he can, therefore, it's purely made up by you and shouldn't be used for his profile.

 

[Oikarian]

All right. I wasn't saying Calva was assuming anything, I was saying that you were assuming Murder could destroy large buildings for no reason. Why I say it's for "no reason" is that Calva's response does not suggest that he can, therefore, it's purely made up by you and shouldn't be used for his profile.

Did I make it up that he is "not interested"? Calv says here maybe if he is interested, yes, I repeat "doesn't seem to be interested in breaking down building" here it says that Dust Sans is not interested in this, is that made up?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Did I make it up that he is "not interested"? Calv says here maybe if he is interested, yes, I repeat "doesn't seem to be interested in breaking down building" here it says that Dust Sans is not interested in this, is that made up?

You're putting words in my mouth here. I didn't say you made up him not being interested -- he isn't interested in it, that is true. I said you made up any sort of implication that he could do it if he was interested.
It doesn't matter if he IS interested in doing it or not, it doesn't make him any more or less capable of doing so, and without any evidence OF him being able to do so, it shouldn't be indexed on his profile as such.

 

[Oikarian]

You're putting words in my mouth here. I didn't say you made up him not being interested -- he isn't interested in it, that is true. I said you made up any sort of implication that he could do it if he was interested.
It doesn't matter if he IS interested in doing it or not, it doesn't make him any more or less capable of doing so, and without any evidence OF him being able to do so, it shouldn't be indexed on his profile as such.

How can we see Dust Sans's sub-game if he has no plot beyond the novel versions? Dust Sans's plot is based on fan fiction, not the author, Calv. Calv simply says we can create any traps, any poison he carries, all from our imaginations. You say "see his exploits" when the character has no plot and is based on fan fiction.

 

[Randomuser3412]

How can we see Dust Sans's sub-game if he has no plot beyond the novel versions? Dust Sans's plot is based on fan fiction, not the author, Calv. Calv simply says we can create any traps, any poison he carries, all from our imaginations. You say "see his exploits" when the character has no plot and is based on fan fiction.

That's not what Calva says.
It's more close to the Ask Dusttale blog being a template for fanfiction. It still does have its own plot, which is what the FC/OC profile is based on. We can't just make up whatever we want for Murder's profile here or things will get out of hand and the reason for the profile existing won't matter anymore.

 

[Oikarian]

That's not what Calva says.
It's more close to the Ask Dusttale blog being a template for fanfiction. It still does have its own plot, which is what the FC/OC profile is based on. We can't just make up whatever we want for Murder's profile here or things will get out of hand and the reason for the profile existing won't matter anymore.

Basically, I know Calv is the most important, and then his team. Calv is the one who answers questions. I haven't heard of the team answering fan questions. Collaboration is always limited to Calv alone. But in any case, of course, we can't imagine everything. For example, if Calv says Dust Sans can't create platforms, we can't imagine it. However, Calv said that any traps can be attached to him, like a bear trap or any other known trap; we are only limited by our imagination.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Basically, I know Calv is the most important, and then his team. Calv is the one who answers questions. I haven't heard of the team answering fan questions. Collaboration is always limited to Calv alone. But in any case, of course, we can't imagine everything. For example, if Calv says Dust Sans can't create platforms, we can't imagine it. However, Calv said that any traps can be attached to him, like a bear trap or any other known trap; we are only limited by our imagination.

I won't mince words here, what you're proposing is flat-out ridiculous. I've read through the blog multiple times and haven't seen anything to suggest this type of logic.
Why not say Murder can just erase people from existence because "nothing suggests otherwise?" Because that's not how we do things here. There has to be proof beyond 100% guesswork for something to be worth considering indexing.

 

[Oikarian]

I won't mince words here, what you're proposing is flat-out ridiculous. I've read through the blog multiple times and haven't seen anything to suggest this type of logic.
Why not say Murder can just erase people from existence because "nothing suggests otherwise?" Because that's not how we do things here. There has to be proof beyond 100% guesswork for something to be worth considering indexing.

It all depends on perception and understanding of the context. For example, "not interested" might be a poor understanding of the context for you, since we should think as the creator of the work, not as a fan. You also say something about Dust erasing all of humanity, if that's how you think. You're trying to confuse me somehow, but even if Dust Sans erases all of humanity, he will remain at the same level, because we don't know what kind of people are in Dusttale. They can be many times weaker than monsters without context. Although the author Calv said that if Dust Sans kills Frisk forever, Dust Sans will remain underground forever until he dies of old age or something like that. Our imagination is limited only by killing monsters and fighting Frisk. This is the storyline of Dust Sans that we can best imagine. We cannot imagine him further story where he breaks the barrier and destroys people.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Sighhhh

You also say something about Dust erasing all of humanity, if that's how you think. You're trying to confuse me somehow

It was an example of your logic in saying, "We can say Murder can do whatever."

This is going nowhere fast. Just count me as disagree, for all of it.

 

[Oikarian]

Sighhhh

It was an example of your logic in saying, "We can say Murder can do whatever."

Murder can do anything based on the author's context. The author sets the organizational limit. For example, if the author says he's not interested in such destruction, he didn't specify the difficulty or impossibility of its destruction. He said that Dust Sans isn't interested, but he could do it if he was given motivation. So, I can understand that Dust Sans could very well achieve this level. "Here, the logic is based on the author's context, not on literal fantasy, because it's limited."

This is going nowhere fast. Just count me as disagree, for all of it.

Okay, I'll be aware (although I usually don't create votes who is against who is not), but here it's not only about his AP and DC, he also has cosmology hax, of course, it works within the framework of his universe, but still, such feats also exist, or, for example, he is good in close combat. I remember Calv answered that he is quite smart in martial arts, that is, he is dangerous in close combat, not only at a distance.