Unfortunately we have never seen Cyn fight non-solver opponents besides planning a massacre on Earth and the Lab in Church. Her abilities are mostly telekinesis (more like XYZ Axis) based so she would either start with Null (instant kill), Scale (instant crush), Rotate (instant snap) or Move/Translate (rips you apart via selected part of your body or stops you from moving). Hence why she has one-shot skills. She only starts throwing hands if her opponent is another solver.
Nah Metal most DEFINITELY has resistance.
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I do believe that Time Stop and No Time/Space Without Time are two different things. For example, in 06, Silver has used Chaos Emeralds before to go to the past, but when he fought Shadow, Shadow used Chaos Control to stop time, which paused the world including Silver as well.
Fr, it was a pain, plus I hate how my browser freezes on mobile when the thread gets more than 2 pages. Also I'm voting for Cyn because of her teleportation and hologram advantage.
...and I thought that I was the only one who have this problem lol
That’s different because Chaos Control is layered Time Stop iirc, so their resistances wouldn’t matter, including Metal’s and Cyn’s.
Seriously, plus when it just refreshes out of NOWHERE. But vote counted
If Chaos Control can stop time in a timeless space, does this mean it's not a timeless space in the first place?
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There is layers for this ngl + I'm sure this topic is for another CRT
Yeah... I guess I just tag other people people who already voted for Cyn tbh @Starfall-Endowment @VladimirMakarov317 @Arency @TheOrangeGuy09 @Lloydblitzed
Stand proud Metal Sonic, your version from Adventure Era is strong.
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Maybe we need to wait a lifting strength upgrades first-
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He slowed time, he didn't stop it.
Null is the dura neg one, right? Crushing and snapping and ripping apart all seem to require LS and AP. Both of which she is weaker in. Which leaves only one as viable.
Is this not only in the Modern Era though? Since we’re using Adventure, he shouldn’t get this.
Ah, I forgot Rivals 2 is barely in the Modern era lol.
Nah, I like to wait for discussion longer personally.
If only they made it earlier…
Alrighty, although do remind me again, does Metal have Classic Sonic’s abilities here thanks to The Fighters? If so, then I can try and pick up an argument for Metal here.
I guess I was mistaken earlier about only Rocket Metal having their abilities. It seems like regular Metal Sonic has Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Espio, Bark, Bean, Fang, and Amy's abilities.
Bet, okay so I can actually do something here. We can basically disregard everyone there except Sonic himself, cuz they offer practically nothing here. Just gimme a second to actually make my argument.
Classic Sonic is retroactively part of the past. That said I'm unsure if we treat him as having literally everything they have. But if we do, he doesn't use anything except their moves in the game in-character. Tho I suppose you could say in particular circumstances he could use diff stuff.
Amy's got funny Toon Force Social Influencing that tricks her opponent into stop attacking and looking up. And it works several times in the same battle.
Fair.
That thing has NOWHERE near the range needed to actually be effective here, and Metal would have to actually find Cyn for that, he’s better off just blasting her into oblivion.
yeah, it is funny tho
Same thing, you can't manipulate time in a timeless space.
Move, Scale and Rotate don't really require LS unless they're against each other. Like how Uzi just does this by using Rotate.
She can still fly, jump good, or teleport.
It's a double edged sword if Metal Sonic copies Cyn's abilities, although Cyn would be unable to use solver on him after being copied (shown here)
Metal has already seen Espio before he turned invisible, it's how he copied his data. (And that sounds like a headcanon.)
Modern Era moment.
Then so can Cyn ngl.
Shadow and Silver were not in a timeless place, what?
I'm confused, what here proves it isn't LS oriented? All of these look like they involve LS. Am I missing smth?
She could if he weren't using the aforementioned speedblitz amp (Spin Dash). I doubt she'd have the time to react. If he weren't, sure, but the destruction happens extremely quickly, I don't think anything outside of teleportation will get her out in time if he weren't using amps.
Well can I have this corruption/possession part explained further. He's not taking her Solver, he's copying the applications of it.
What about it is a headcanon? His ability in that game is copy, and it only activates once you trigger it, in which you hear scanning sound effects before copying the signature move of your opponent. He can use this ability while Espio is using his signature ability to become invisible. Thus he can scan Espio to copy his ability even while he's invisible.
If she has demonstrated the ability to do so, sure. For Metal I refer to the fact he can copy Silver's PK which can be used at that range, plus when he copies Silver's PK in Rivals 2 it has the same full map range.
I’m still wondering why the argument of copying is still being brought up
It's cuz Adventure Metal has Copycat. Much more limited power mimicry, but it's there.
Sonic Rivals was in Adventure Era?
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting we're using Adventure era
