[ACCEPTED] Lookism CRT: Character Upgrades + Kitae Kim New Abilities and Profile Fix

[CatLover313]

This CRT is meant to upgrade 5 characters to High 8-C due to recent scenes of Kitae Kim being on the same "realm" as Gapryong and Shingen (who are High 8-C) along with Perfect Body Ultra Instinct Daniel Park being upgraded to High 8-C due to a statement made by Jinyoung Park many years ago + his recent upscale in the latest episodes. It will also be fixing some issues on the Kitae Kim profile page and give him some new abilities.

Kitae Kim:

• Upgrades:
  • Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: At least High 8-C (Jinyoung says that Kitae Kim is on the same realm as Gapryong and Shingen [Prime versions shown], implying that he would be above an Old Gapryong who performed this feat), likely higher
  • Speed: At least Supersonic (Defeated Daniel Park, who was using his path and who performed this speed feat), likely higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class K (Could hold on to True Body Daniel Park in UI Mode and force an exchange of punches with him)
• Missing Scans: There are some missing scans on his page for his abilities, so I just want to add the scans to them
  • Stamina: At least Superhuman (Defeated Daniel Park in his path, than defeated Jinyoung Park who could use various imitations of previous powerful opponents, and than defeated Daniel Park in Ul mode in a straight brawl-to-brawl exchange who was described as having "no limis on stamina" [Lookism episodes 600-602]).
• New Abilities/Revision of Abilities/Removal of Abilities:
  • Rename Martial Arts to Experienced Street Brawling (Shown to be capable of fighting and defeating skilled fighters such as Jinyoung and Daniel Park [Lookism Episodes 600-602])
  • Information Analysis (Could look at Vin’s fighting style and recognize its origins, plus its flaws)
  • Damage Boost (Kitae Kim has shown to have Power Mastery [red lines on his attacks], which allow him to hit harder than usual)
  • Damage Reduction (Kitae Kim has shown to have Endurance Mastery [white-like aura around him], which could allow him to reduce the damage he would normally take)
  • Weapons Mastery with an Axe/Hatchet (Often shown using an axe/hatchet and is accurate enough with it to almost hit someone in the head from several meters away)
  • Standard Tactics: While he has shown to be very knowledgeable in combat, he would rather fight in a contest of strength than take advantage of an enemy's weakness [Lookism episode 602].
  • Remove Limited Accelerated Development, because it doesn’t even have a scan anyway, nor do I believe he has shown it.
  • Remove Power Mimicry and Reactive Evolution, as while he can brute force an imitation, it doesn't necessarily mean he has grasped the "concept" of the technique. Furthermore, he was described as having having "no technique" and "never learning how to fight".

Daniel Park True Body:

• Make a new key for him as he received a power-up in Chapter 600. We can just call it the "current" key for now.
• Upgrades:
  • Attack Potency/Striking Strength: At least 9-A+, higher with Path, High 8-C+ with Ultra Instinct (Able to damage Kitae Kim multiple times)
  • Durability: At least High 8-C (Could take many hits from Kitae Kim, some of them empowered by Strength Mastery, before eventually being knocked out), higher in Ultra Instinct
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class 25 (Same as previous key), likely higher, Class K in Ultra Instinct (Was able to copy Perfect Body Daniel Park in UI Mode, albeit it was destroying his body along the way)

Daniel Park Perfect Body:

• This is an upgrade to his UI Form.
• Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: Varies up to High 8-C (Jinyoung says he would’ve loved to see a fight against UI Daniel and Gapryong Kim. True Body Daniel Park was pushing his limits and breaking his body to imitate him)
• Lifting Strength: Varies up to Class K (Could grapple and throw Gun in Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct mode)

Gun Park:

• Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: At least 9-A+, (possibly/likely/least) High 8-C with Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct (Was shown to be able to wound PB UI Daniel Park and fights with overwhelming power in comparison to PB UI Daniel).
  • One caveat of scaling Perfect Body UI Daniel Park is that this version scales his statistics to his opponent even to the point of defeat. So the version that Jinyoung mentions above that could be comparable to Prime Gapryong may not be the same version that Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun fights and trades blows with. I will leave it up to staff to determine the scaling of Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun.
  • (Arguments for Gun Park "At Least or Likely/Possibly" for either side are down in the comments)

James Lee:

• Make two keys for him: Cheonliang Arc | Current. Only changes will be AP/SS/Durability/LS, the rest (Speed, stamina, abilities stay the same for both keys).
• Cheonliang Key:
  • Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: At least 9-A+, higher with Awakening, likely High 8-C (In the future, he said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel)
  • Lifting Strength: Likely Class K (In the future, he said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel)
• Current Key:
  • Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: At least High 8-C (Said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel, so his present version is likely as strong/stronger than them), possibly higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class K (Said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel, so his present version is likely as strong/stronger than them)
• (Arguments for James "At Least or Likely/Possibly" for either side are down in the comments)

Edit: Seems that the only "big" contentions are the ratings of James Lee and Gun Park in Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct (More supporters seem to believe it is fair to give him an At Least), which have come to a stalemate.

Agreements: Juask, Reiner04 (Staff) (Young James gets Likely High 8-C, Current James gets At Least High 8-C, TUI Gun gets At Least High 8-C, and everything else is good), Elizhaa (Staff) (Agrees with Reiner04)

Disagreements:

 

[Pyro9278]

This CRT is meant to upgrade 5 characters to High 8-C due to recent scenes of Kitae Kim being on the same "realm" as Gapryong and Shingen (who are High 8-C) along with Perfect Body Ultra Instinct Daniel Park being upgraded to High 8-C due to a statement made by Jinyoung Park many years ago + his recent upscale in the latest episodes. It will also be fixing some issues on the Kitae Kim profile page and give him some new abilities.

Kitae Kim:

• Upgrades:
  • Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: At least High 8-C (Jinyoung says that Kitae Kim is on the same realm as Gapryong and Shingen [Prime versions shown], implying that he would be above an Old Gapryong who performed this feat), likely higher
  • Speed: At least Supersonic (Defeated Daniel Park, who was using his path and who performed this speed feat), likely higher
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class K (Could hold on to True Body Daniel Park in UI Mode and force an exchange of punches with him)
• Missing Scans: There are some missing scans on his page for his abilities, so I just want to add the scans to them
  • Martial Arts (Able to imitate Jichang Kwak's fighting style)
    • New Scan as evidence: https://imgchest.com/p/dl7prbbk84o
  • Reactive Evolution (Could grasp the concept of Jichang's hand blade and slightly imitate it while applying his own strength)
    • New Scan as evidence: https://imgchest.com/p/dl7prbbk84o
  • Stamina: At least Superhuman (Defeated Daniel Park in his path, than defeated Jinyoung Park, and than defeated Daniel Park in Ul mode in consecutive battles [Lookism episodes 600-602]).
    • New Scan as evidence: Lookism Episodes 600-602
• New Abilities/Revision of Abilities/Removal of Abilities:
  • Analytical Prediction (Could look at Vin’s fighting style and recognize its origins, plus its flaws)
  • Damage Boost (Kitae Kim has shown to have Power Mastery [red lines on his attacks], which allow him to hit harder than usual)
  • Damage Reduction (Kitae Kim has shown to have Endurance Mastery [white-like aura around him], which could allow him to reduce the damage he would normally take)
  • Change Power Mimicry to Limited Power Mimicry (Could imitate Jichang’s hand blades but since he’s not an official ‘copycat’, he shouldn’t have full Power Mimicry that the other copycats in the series have)
  • Standard Tactics: While he has shown to be very knowledgeable in combat, he would rather fight in a contest of strength than take advantage of an enemy's weakness [Lookism episode 602].
  • Remove Limited Accelerated Development, because it doesn’t even have a scan anyway, nor do I believe he has shown it.

I would replace "Analytical Prediction" with "Information Analysis": Kitae has proven to be a highly perceptive fighter despite lacking formal techniques. He can recognize other fighters' styles just by briefly observing them, recognizing Mujin's style in Vin Jin, the copies of the kings in both of Daniel's bodies, and even certain patterns like Daniel's breathing.

I would also remove "Mimicry" since it's far removed from what Kitae actually did; he was merely mocking Jichang by making the same gesture, not actually imitating his style.

I would add "Weapons Mastery" under the description: He frequently carries and uses an axe to execute his opponents, such as when he was about to execute Jichang or when he mutilated Jinrang's arm. He can perform precise axe throws to the head.

Stamina's feats should also be described in more detail: He remains unfazed by most serious attacks. He can withstand numerous blows from Jinrang with conviction, barely flinching. He rose from a 1440° kick from Lil Daniel UI even though it left a massive hole in his chest, and he had previously withstood a less powerful copy of Gapryong Kim's Fist, continuing to fight until he exhausted Lil Daniel UI, who is described as a fighter with "limitless stamina." Furthermore, he should have the highest ranking in Resistance Mastery.

 

[Pyro9278]

Daniel Park True Body:

• Make a new key for him as he received a power-up in Chapter 600. We can just call it the "current" key for now.
• Upgrades:
  • Attack Potency/Striking Strength: At least 9-A+, higher with Path, High 8-C+ with Ultra Instinct (Able to damage Kitae Kim multiple times)
  • Durability: At most High 8-C (Could take many hits from Kitae Kim, some of them empowered by Strength Mastery, before eventually being knocked out), at least High 8-C in Ultra Instinct
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class 25 (Same as previous key), likely higher, Class K in Ultra Instinct (Was able to copy PB Daniel Park in UI Mode, albeit it was destroying his body along the way)

I believe Daniel's Durability could easily be "At least High 8-C" because when he received Kitae's attacks he was already very tired and damaged, and he continued to deplete his energy as he used his Path. Furthermore, he withstood several of Kitae's attacks enhanced by his Mastery. For the AP justification, I would put "Superior with Path (He was able to momentarily stun Kitae with a clean hit)."

 

[CatLover313]

I would replace "Analytical Prediction" with "Information Analysis": Kitae has proven to be a highly perceptive fighter despite lacking formal techniques. He can recognize other fighters' styles just by briefly observing them, recognizing Mujin's style in Vin Jin, the copies of the kings in both of Daniel's bodies, and even certain patterns like Daniel's breathing.

I would also remove "Mimicry" since it's far removed from what Kitae actually did; he was merely mocking Jichang by making the same gesture, not actually imitating his style.

I would add "Weapons Mastery" under the description: He frequently carries and uses an axe to execute his opponents, such as when he was about to execute Jichang or when he mutilated Jinrang's arm. He can perform precise axe throws to the head.

Stamina's feats should also be described in more detail: He remains unfazed by most serious attacks. He can withstand numerous blows from Jinrang with conviction, barely flinching. He rose from a 1440° kick from Lil Daniel UI even though it left a massive hole in his chest, and he had previously withstood a less powerful copy of Gapryong Kim's Fist, continuing to fight until he exhausted Lil Daniel UI, who is described as a fighter with "limitless stamina." Furthermore, he should have the highest ranking in Resistance Mastery.

Applied everything, honestly, if we're removing Power Mimicry due to that reason (which is valid), I removed martial arts and reactive evolution too.

I believe Daniel's Durability could easily be "At least High 8-C" because when he received Kitae's attacks he was already very tired and damaged, and he continued to deplete his energy as he used his Path. Furthermore, he withstood several of Kitae's attacks enhanced by his Mastery. For the AP justification, I would put "Superior with Path (He was able to momentarily stun Kitae with a clean hit)."

Hmm, you're right. I'll change it to that

 

[Pyro9278]

Applied everything, honestly, if we're removing Power Mimicry due to that reason (which is valid), I removed martial arts and reactive evolution too.

Martial arts can remain. Just because Kitae doesn't know any martial arts or hasn't learned to fight doesn't mean he doesn't have a fighting style. Kitae falls under the term "street fighter." We know he can handle talented and skilled fighters with his brute-force style (and PB Daniel UI also demonstrated that it was a fighting style), so I would keep martial arts, although I would rename it "experienced street fighter."

 

[CatLover313]

Martial arts can remain. Just because Kitae doesn't know any martial arts or hasn't learned to fight doesn't mean he doesn't have a fighting style. Kitae falls under the term "street fighter." We know he can handle talented and skilled fighters with his brute-force style (and PB Daniel UI also demonstrated that it was a fighting style), so I would keep martial arts, although I would rename it "experienced street fighter."

I didn't realize Martial Arts could be given if they don't know any techniques (real or fictional) but looking at some other profiles, you're right. I'll put it back.

 

[Foriaa]

James shouldn't have a "likely" rating at all, he straight up says he would have struggled during Cheonliang when he wasn't complete, meaning now he wouldn't. He tells Jaegyeon that he's at his peak now.

 

[CatLover313]

James shouldn't have a "likely" rating at all, he straight up says he would have struggled during Cheonliang when he wasn't complete, meaning now he wouldn't. He tells Jaegyeon that he's at his peak now.

I'll actually change it to At Least because as the Final Villain of the series, it would make sense for him to be that level. I just hope this doesn't set a bad precedent of "self-made scaling quotes"....

Edit: Keeping it as “Likely”, could change depending on how the thread goes.

 

[Pyro9278]

I didn't realize Martial Arts could be given if they don't know any techniques (real or fictional) but looking at some other profiles, you're right. I'll put it back.

There are definitely characters who have martial arts skills for less justification. At least Kitae can fight people comparable to him in AP/Durability without being overwhelmed by his ability.

 

[Pyro9278]

James shouldn't have a "likely" rating at all, he straight up says he would have struggled during Cheonliang when he wasn't complete, meaning now he wouldn't. He tells Jaegyeon that he's at his peak now.

James has "possibly High 8-C" for narrative weight because Cheonliang's statement is more of a secondary justification, since nothing tells us that it is inherently comparable to Gun True UI or PB Daniel UI, all it does is measure itself against their performance and analyze them.

 

[Pyro9278]

James Lee:

• Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: Likely High 8-C (Said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel, so his present version is likely as strong/stronger than them).
• Lifting Strength: Likely Class K (Said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel, so his present version is likely as strong/stronger than them)

Now that James is mentioned in the CRT, it should be divided into two keys, Cheonliang Arc (9-A+) and Actual (9-A+ probably High 8-C)

 

[Foriaa]

James has "possibly High 8-C" for narrative weight because Cheonliang's statement is more of a secondary justification, since nothing tells us that it is inherently comparable to Gun True UI or PB Daniel UI, all it does is measure itself against their performance and analyze them.

Korean : 저게 무의식의 싸움인가. 천량 때의 완성 전 나였으면 힘들었겠어.
English : Is that a battle of the unconscious? If it were me before I was fully completed back in the Cheonryang days, I would’ve struggled. (515)

if x were true -> y would happen
x = previous james, y = struggle

This is simple english. If statements set up a condition that determines a consequence. James here is contrasting his past and present, he's saying if it was him back then incomplete, he would have struggled. James is complete now, at his peak, with Path, he wouldn't struggle.

 

[Pyro9278]

Korean : 저게 무의식의 싸움인가. 천량 때의 완성 전 나였으면 힘들었겠어.
English : Is that a battle of the unconscious? If it were me before I was fully completed back in the Cheonryang days, I would’ve struggled. (515)

if x were true -> y would happen
x = previous james, y = struggle

This is simple english. If statements set up a condition that determines a consequence. James here is contrasting his past and present, he's saying if it was him back then incomplete, he would have struggled. James is complete now, at his peak, with Path, he wouldn't struggle.

He's not saying he's inherently as strong as them. He's comparing himself, yes, which gives us an idea that he might be relative to them, but it's not an absolute answer as to who is stronger or weaker, and it's certainly not a feat considering that he later admitted that Gun was injured and weaker.

 

[Foriaa]

Take a closer look at the message I sent. James thinks he would struggle against Tui Gun & PB Ui Daniel. At a conservative estimate, we can say that in Cheonliang, James has low end relativity, so attaching a "likely" to it for that key would make sense.

Unless there's a ruling that states absolute explicit a > b statements are required and that we can't use a fraction of our brain to deduce scaling, I don't find the "likely" rating convincing.

 

[Pyro9278]

Take a closer look at the message I sent. James thinks he would struggle against Tui Gun & PB Ui Daniel. At a conservative estimate, we can say that in Cheonliang, James has low end relativity, so attaching a "likely" to it for that key would make sense.

Unless there's a ruling that states absolute explicit a > b statements are required and that we can't use a fraction of our brain to deduce scaling, I don't find the "likely" rating convincing.

From a conservative standpoint, James's statement isn't conclusive about whether it's as strong or not. He's obviously not explicitly stating that it isn't, but he's also not directly saying that it's equal to or stronger than the UI Daniel and Gun. He's being ambiguous, and in a verse like Lookism, it's best to be conservative with statements like this, especially when the conclusion is more of a headcanon.

Furthermore, even if we assume that the statement places his version in Cheonliang "possibly," this would only make the scenario more inconsistent in scale. That's why it's best to choose the safest option and its strongest version.

 

[Viott]

I think Jake Kim’s tendon-tearing ability should be included.

 

[Pxnd_013]

Gun Park:

• Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: At least 9-A+, (possibly/likely/least) High 8-C with Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct (Was shown to be able to wound PB UI Daniel Park and fights with overwhelming power in comparison to PB UI Daniel).
  • One caveat of scaling Perfect Body UI Daniel Park is that this version scales his statistics to his opponent even to the point of defeat. So the version that Jinyoung mentions above that could be comparable to Prime Gapryong may not be the same version that Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun fights and trades blows with. I will leave it up to staff to determine the scaling of Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun.

I think TUI Gun can scale to PB UI Daniel because PB UI Daniel normally adjusts his level of strength to match, or possibly surpass, his opponent. That is why PB UI Daniel is usually able to defeat his opponents without much difficulty in most fights.

However, during the fight against TUI Gun, it was stated that TUI Gun possessed greater physical strength than PB UI Daniel. This shows that TUI Gun's strength was beyond the level that PB UI Daniel could adjust to, even though TUI Gun was already in a very weakened condition at that point.

This would imply:

UI Daniel PB (THFG) > UI Daniel PB (Workers 1st Affiliate)

because UI Daniel PB in the Workers 1st Affiliate arc was still able to adjust his level to Jinyoung.

James Lee:

• Attack Potency/Striking Strength/Durability: Likely High 8-C (Said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel, so his present version is likely as strong/stronger than them).
• Lifting Strength: Likely Class K (Said that a younger version of him would struggle against Uncontrolled Ultra Instinct Gun or UI PB Daniel, so his present version is likely as strong/stronger than them)

I also do not really like relying on statements characters make about themselves. I think James is more suited for Possibly High 8-C because Manager Kim stated that he was the strongest in Generation 1, which could potentially include Kitae. Another argument is that he was able to kill Old Gap by working together with Kitae, although since we do not know exactly how they killed Gap, that point could also be dismissed

As for the rest, I think it is fine

 

[Black_Cat49]

Lifting Strength: At least Class K

Lifting Strength: Class K? Do you have a calculation for that?
Because from what I’ve seen, the highest calculation in Lookism is Class 100, or if scaled from other series in the same universe, it would be around Class M.

 

[Viott]

Lifting Strength: Class K? Do you have a calculation for that?
Because from what I’ve seen, the highest calculation in Lookism is Class 100, or if scaled from other series in the same universe, it would be around Class M.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_Park

 

[Pyro9278]

I think Jake Kim’s tendon-tearing ability should be included.

That's a skill for the Mastery of Conviction, something separate from this CRT.

Lifting Strength: Class K? Do you have a calculation for that?
Because from what I’ve seen, the highest calculation in Lookism is Class 100, or if scaled from other series in the same universe, it would be around Class M.

Gun TUI has a x3 multiplier that applies to both its AP and LS.

 

[Pyro9278]

This would imply:

UI Daniel PB (THFG) > UI Daniel PB (Workers 1st Affiliate)

because UI Daniel PB in the Workers 1st Affiliate arc was still able to adjust his level to Jinyoung.

I don't know if it's fair to say that PB Daniel UI HFG is superior to his appearance in the 1st Affiliate. Gun TUI would surely have won if he hadn't been so badly damaged beforehand, so it would be quite easy for him to lose due to fatigue even though he's stronger.

 

[Pxnd_013]

I don't know if it's fair to say that PB Daniel UI HFG is superior to his appearance in the 1st Affiliate. Gun TUI would surely have won if he hadn't been so badly damaged beforehand, so it would be quite easy for him to lose due to fatigue even though he's stronger.

I do not really understand what you wrote because I am not very good at English

 

[Pyro9278]

I do not really understand what you wrote because I am not very good at English

I mean, Gun Tui was too tired by the time he fought Daniel Ui.

 

[Foriaa]

He's obviously not explicitly stating that it isn't

Can you point me to any ruling that states we need explicit statements to scale without attaching any "likely" ratings?

 

[Pyro9278]

Can you point me to any ruling that states we need explicit statements to scale without attaching any "likely" ratings?

It's not by any rule. That's not why I'm considering a "possibly" rating.

 

[Foriaa]

It's not by any rule. That's not why I'm considering a "possibly" rating.

This is elementary logic brother. The statement "If it were me before I completed, I would've struggled" is straightforward. Past would struggle, current wouldn't. What part of this is too ambiguous for you to think that a likely rating would be appropriate.

Perhaps once a mod looks at this thread, they can evaluate both of our arguments to see which is more sound.

 

[Viott]

That's a skill for the Mastery of Conviction,

I think this is Paralysis Inducement, because he couldn’t move his leg.

something separate from this CRT.

The purpose of a CRT is to fix profiles, so a new ability can be added for Jake Kim.

 

[Juask]

Where's my goat Goo anway looks good

 

[Pyro9278]

I think this is Paralysis Inducement, because he couldn’t move his leg.

The purpose of a CRT is to fix profiles, so a new ability can be added for Jake Kim.

This can be discussed in another CRT since masteries are a topic for a separate skills profile. And that attack was powered by Conviction.

This is elementary logic brother. The statement "If it were me before I completed, I would've struggled" is straightforward. Past would struggle, current wouldn't. What part of this is too ambiguous for you to think that a likely rating would be appropriate.

Perhaps once a mod looks at this thread, they can evaluate both of our arguments to see which is more sound.

If the statement were conclusive enough, James would say he currently has no problems. However, instead, he rambles on with a supposed comparison to his version of Cheonliang. The analogy in his statement doesn't inherently claim that it's as strong, but it leaves the question of whether it could be open to the reader's interpretation. This is enough to give it a "Possibly" rating, just like the statement given by Manager Kim.

And yes, in any case, it depends on which argument the mods find most plausible.

 

[Foriaa]

Edit: Keeping it as “Likely”, could change depending on how the thread goes.

Here's a couple things that can perhaps convince you.

• James when fighting Seongji states that he never thought someone this strong could have existed. This is important because James is aware of Gap, Shingen, Mujin and other notable Gen 0 members.
• James while fighting Seongji, again, states that he has not seen anyone better than him yet, this should include Old Gap, who he assisted in killing as a child.
• James says that he didn't think he'd see someone as strong as Seongji in this generation, this is also important because Kitae is a Gen 1.

From all of this, I think it's reasonable to conclude that Seongji is being treated as the pinnacle of Gen 1 at this time. So the scaling should go

Current James > 3T Cheonliang James ~ 3T Seongji > Gen 1

 

[Foriaa]

And yes, in any case, it depends on which argument the mods find most plausible.

Rather than continuing this back and forth, I'll be fine with letting the mods conclude this.

 

[Viott]

This can be discussed in another CRT since masteries are a topic for a separate skills profile. And that attack was powered by Conviction.

No. He showed this ability when he used the “Overcome” power. But since he only used this power for a few seconds, it should be limited.


Anyway, I’ll wait for another CRT on this topic.

 

[Pyro9278]

No. He showed this ability when he used the “Overcome” power. But since he only used this power for a few seconds, it should be limited.

Overcome = Conviction

 

[Pyro9278]

Here's a couple things that can perhaps convince you.

• James when fighting Seongji states that he never thought someone this strong could have existed. This is important because James is aware of Gap, Shingen, Mujin and other notable Gen 0 members.
• James while fighting Seongji, again, states that he has not seen anyone better than him yet, this should include Old Gap, who he assisted in killing as a child.
• James says that he didn't think he'd see someone as strong as Seongji in this generation, this is also important because Kitae is a Gen 1.

From all of this, I think it's reasonable to conclude that Seongji is being treated as the pinnacle of Gen 1 at this time. So the scaling should go

Current James > 3T Cheonliang James ~ 3T Seongji > Gen 1

I know we let the mods decide in the end which idea is more plausible, but I want to point out that we can't take James' statements at face value if we don't know what happened on the day Gapryong and his group died, because based on this same statement, many more would be scaling to Old Gap. Which was already discussed in another CRT.

 

[Foriaa]

Which was already discussed in another CRT.

Can you link this?

 

[Viott]

Overcome = Conviction

This doesn’t mean that the ability won’t be added.

 

[Pyro9278]

Can you link this?

Sure, it took me a while to get it but it's here.

 

[Pyro9278]

This doesn’t mean that the ability won’t be added.

I'm not saying it won't be added, it's that it will be added to a profile that encompasses masterys, unique skills, and path.

 

[Pxnd_013]

I mean, Gun Tui was too tired by the time he fought Daniel Ui.

Yes, even though he was exhausted, he was still stated twice to have greater strength than Daniel Park in his PB UI form

 

[Pxnd_013]

Here's a couple things that can perhaps convince you.

• James when fighting Seongji states that he never thought someone this strong could have existed. This is important because James is aware of Gap, Shingen, Mujin and other notable Gen 0 members.
• James while fighting Seongji, again, states that he has not seen anyone better than him yet, this should include Old Gap, who he assisted in killing as a child.
• James says that he didn't think he'd see someone as strong as Seongji in this generation, this is also important because Kitae is a Gen 1.

From all of this, I think it's reasonable to conclude that Seongji is being treated as the pinnacle of Gen 1 at this time. So the scaling should go

Current James > 3T Cheonliang James ~ 3T Seongji > Gen 1

I am not very good at Korean or English, but based on that statement, there is nothing that confirms your interpretation is true. James only said that he never expected someone to be that strong. The phrase “that strong” does not necessarily mean that Seongji was stronger than everyone James had met before. It could simply mean that Seongji was much stronger than James originally expected

I also do not think James’ statements about himself should be trusted too much. When he fought Seongji, he claimed that nobody was stronger than him. However, in later chapters, he described Gapryong Kim as a monster and said that both he and Kitae Kim had to work together in order to kill Gap. That may also include Elite, since in the current chapters, Jinyoung Park stated that Elite was one of the people involved in killing Gapryong Kim

James said that he never expected someone like Seongji to still exist in that era, but that does not necessarily mean that Seongji was the strongest person of that generation. It is possible that Kitae Kim was not “strong in the same way” as Seongji, but was still stronger overall. In later chapters, we see that James trained with Kitae Kim, which made him stronger and eventually allowed him to end the First Generation