Honkai Star Rail, Honkai Impact - Calculations/Speed

[NeverForgett]

Seele Gotta Go Fast​

This calculation assumes that the camera remains still, and, therefore, you can sufficiently calculate the distance the bullet travelled via angular-sizing.

But the camera moves with the bullet:

This can be seen if you look at the left. The camera zooms in closer to the bridge.

Fu Hua Dodging "Gamma beams"​

This calculation assumes distances based on an unquantifiable scene. The distance moved by both characters can't be found, and neither can the timeframe. The reaction speed should be fine, though.

Three calculations for now because I'm quite exhausted from reading through these calculations.

 

[Voidnether]

I love how all these 3 calculations were made by @Jackof_noTrades068, lowkey I'll just let @Yanina92 or @CastoriceTheFifth calc this in the event this thread is somehow passing

 

[Mbpoops]

Disagree with the last 2 i dont think the reasoning is good enough, the first one im not even sure what im looking at

 

[NeverForgett]

Disagree with the last 2 i dont think the reasoning is good enough, the first one im not even sure what im looking at

Why do you disagree? Could you elaborate?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

This calculation assumes distances based on an unquantifiable scene. The distance moved by both characters can't be found, and neither can the timeframe. The reaction speed should be fine, though.

Three calculations for now because I'm quite exhausted from reading through these calculations

Yeah, that’s why I made this as a recalc which calcs minimum possible movement.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jackof_noTrades068/Honkai_Impact_3rd_-_Fu_Hua%27s_reaction_speed

Idrc about characters still having FTL off this scene, cause that comes from this thread.

I’ll comment on the other two a little later

 

[Mbpoops]

Fu hua dodging gamma beams isnt an unquantifiable scene that would be saying every manga calc is unquantifiable across the wiki. We see fu hua at point blank range actually touching sirin and then dodge those beams from that range im not sure what the issue is here unless its something specific

For phantylia i dont even know what the issue is yea the camera moves.. so what?

 

[NeverForgett]

Yeah, that’s why I made this as a recalc which calcs minimum possible movement.

But that's not the minimum possible movement, that's an arbitrary assumption.

Fu hua dodging gamma beams isnt an unquantifiable scene that would be saying every manga calc is unquantifiable across the wiki.

What?

We see fu hua at point blank range actually touching sirin and then dodge those beams from that range im not sure what the issue is here unless its something specific

Yes, but that distance dodged is what I called unquantifiable.

For phantylia i dont even know what the issue is yea the camera moves.. so what?

You cannot sufficiently calculate the distance the bullet travelled via angular-sizing if the camera moves with the bullet.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Seele Gotta Go Fast​

This calculation assumes that the camera remains still, and, therefore, you can sufficiently calculate the distance the bullet travelled via angular-sizing.

But the camera moves with the bullet:

Now that’s a fair point. The CGM who approved it didnt contest it or suggest another method despite raising the mild concern so I didn’t mind too much. If anyone wants to replace this. Yall can opt for the bullet slashing scene from the Jarilo story instead, or downgrade Seele’s speed.
One could argue the bullet didn’t travel more than a couple cm in this scene but eh.

Camera tricks: The scene mixes the camera zoom with object motion, so the apparent displacement is affected by projection and can’t be converted into real distance as the calculation suggests.

The old calc simply posits that the star object traveled the diameter of a planetoid in the timeframe rather than trying to measure it via pixel scaling. So the camera zoom it shouldn’t be a problem (esp when even in the accepted recalc claims that and the visuals look like the planet explodes outwards from the star). Tbh technically it’s already out of date. Since Garri’s recalc which is the main accepted one on the profiles declares that the star is actually star sized and not planet sized if you read their thing in the AP calcs. So even if you tried to calc speed this way, it should be much faster.
Don’t know why it’s still on the verse page

But that's not the minimum possible movement, that's an arbitrary assumption.

It’s aimed at her face and they’re nigh point blank with each other, unless you think Sirin’s aiming for the edge of her cheekbone or her shoulders. Arbitrary assumption is a rather extreme claim. I don’t think the feat should be nuked from scaling or being calced entirely off that basis.
Edit: As educated guesses are allowed for calculations on this site, which is why the recalc (which claims Fu Hua only moved 7.5cm to not get hit) got accepted to begin with and got through a CRT. Btw I recommend you message the people who accepted these calcs on their walls if you can about this thread. Their input would be appreciated.
Although yall can give your comments on that since the feats super old and all

 

[NeverForgett]

The old calc simply posits that the star object traveled the diameter of a planetoid in the timeframe rather than trying to measure it via pixel scaling.

Yes, that's what I was debunking in the OP.

It’s aimed at her face and they’re nigh point blank with each other, unless you think Sirin’s aiming for the edge of her cheekbone or her shoulders. Arbitrary assumption is a rather extreme claim. I don’t think the feat should be nuked from scaling or being calced entirely off that basis.
Edit: As educated guesses are allowed for calculations on this site, which is why the recalc (which claims Fu Hua only moved 7.5cm to not get hit) got accepted to begin with and got through a CRT. Btw I recommend you message the people who accepted these calcs on their walls if you can about this thread. Their input would be appreciated.
Although yall can give your comments on that since the feats super old and all

You cannot use that minimum distance moved unless it's pointed at the middle of their face, which the beam is not.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

You cannot use that minimum distance moved unless it's pointed at the middle of their face, which the beam is not.

I don’t think we’ll come to an agreement there then. So I’ll let Calc group mods sort this out when they find this thread. So these will be my last words. Otherwise we’ll go in circles.

Since Sirin is aiming at Fu Hua’s head (even though it’s in profile view). Sirin would be incompetent to aim at the side of her face when they’re point blank against each other for that brief window. Thus a fair educated guess is that the beam is aimed for the center of her head instead of saying it could be aimed anywhere and saying the feat is unquantifiable. If it is quantifiable then you should explain where Sirin is really aiming so that gets measured instead.
And a lot of the other ways Fu Hua can move in this situation would have her moving similar or more distances. You said the reaction time part is fine. So note the current FTL ratings will stay unless you make an CRT debunking this one I linked earlier

Yes, that's what I was debunking in the OP.

And I mentioned how the planetoid is destroyed in a way that erupts from the star’s location. So the star did move. So if the camera moving is enough of a concern you could extend the timeframe to just before the explosion. It would really just add a few seconds.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Phantylia Hits Us With A Star​

Camera tricks: The scene mixes the camera zoom with object motion, so the apparent displacement is affected by projection and can’t be converted into real distance as the calculation suggests

This calc isn't in use nor on the pages lol

 

[NeverForgett]

This calc isn't in use lol

It is on the verse page/on profiles.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

It is on the verse page.

It isn't. The one on the verse page is made by Garrixian. You're debunk Jack's old one

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

It is on the verse page.

It shouldn’t be. As I said earlier. It’s an outdated calc.
Garri’s is the current one and that one doesn’t calc speed.

 

[NeverForgett]

Bump.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Bump.

Atleast remove the Phantylia calc because thats not even the one used

 

[NeverForgett]

Atleast remove the Phantylia calc because thats not even the one used

So I can remove it from profiles?

 

[Mbpoops]

So I can remove it from profiles?

Its not on any profile

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So I can remove it from profiles?

Broskie no. I'm saying the calc you're debunking isn't even the one in use. Jack's Phantylia calc was replaced ages ago.

 

[NeverForgett]

Its not on any profile

Okay then.

 

[NeverForgett]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

I think this thread should be closed, user got banned for making a list in bad faith just to get everyone aggravated. Chances are this thread was also made in bad faith.

 

[Mbpoops]

I think this thread should be closed, user got banned for making a list in bad faith just to get everyone aggravated. Chances are this thread was also made in bad faith.

Assuming since hes a suspected sockpuppet it was in retaliation to the chisato thread that didnt go through cause he had issues with @CastoriceTheFifth who works on hoyo and other smaller verses

 

[ManhwaGrace]

What happened? He was literally meant to help out with scaling manhwa, and now he's banned?!

 

[Mbpoops]

What happened? He was literally meant to help out with scaling manhwa, and now he's banned?!

Lots of vulgar insults to other members and suspected sockpuppet

 

[ManhwaGrace]

Lots of vulgar insults to other members and suspected sockpuppet

Frick dude. I needed someone for the manhwa I planned to scale.

Is he a sockpuppet? How? Of Vzearr?

Well now I need to find someone else to help me scale some manhwa /:

 

[ManhwaGrace]

Well, I plan to scale

Killer Peter and Weak hero mainly if anyones interested.

 

[Mbpoops]

Frick dude. I needed someone for the manhwa I planned to scale.

Is he a sockpuppet? How? Of Vzearr?

Well now I need to find someone else to help me scale some manhwa /:

Sorry about that

 

[Voidnether]

Well, I plan to scale

Killer Peter and Weak hero mainly if anyones interested.

I could help with Killer Peter and especially fix the formatting issues when I have the time since I do see a lot of profiles having their profiles not properly formatted since I read the manhwa everytime there's a new chapter releasing. I'm not gonna lie that one of the main reason why I like the manhwa is because they did like a collab with HSR (it was an advertisement though) but there were Feixiao and The Herta drawn in like manhwa styles is what got me piqued other than the overall story. But man, their speed being downgraded to Subsonic+ when it was previously High Hypersonic+ is what got me heavily discouraged to even do anything with the verse especially on the wiki, I still hope that at the very least these are scaled to like in the Supersonic speed range and likely higher instead of being capped on Subsonic+

There's a thread about it though, I'm just hoping it'll get accepted but other than that unfortunately I don't follow Weak Hero so you're on your own for that