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A continuation of this thread to discuss scaling. About 4 months late but better late than never I guess
So, it was decided that a transonic and Mach 3 cap would be placed upon the verse and the Post-Sumo stats/key for Maki would be removed. As it's the only speed stats for her on that key, it would just be replaced with scaling to the other characters around her level, i.e. the heavy hitters like Yuta, Yuji, Hakari, etc. That leads to the bigger issue of where to place everyone now that the caps have been accepted which is where this thread comes into play.
Based on the revision, the profiles that would have to be changed are:
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So for the changes themselves, anyone who currently scales to Supersonic+ is going to be downgraded to Subsonic+ the value from this calc which would put them at Mach 0.73 for their combat and reaction speed as everyone here basically scales to Maki/Toji in one way or another, either through fighting one of them, being considered a heavy hitter like Maki is, or just scaling to someone who has heavy hitter tier stats. This however leads to an inconsistency where Yuji was blitzed by Naoya moving at Mach 0.69.
To handle that I'm going to propose a split for Yuji's stats, with a new key to separate the difference. His current "Itadori's Extermination to Culling Games" key will have its speed dropped down to "At least Subsonic, likely higher" which would be upscaling from his previous "Kyoto Goodwill Event to Shibuya Incident" key. He's still fast enough to surprise Yuta with just how fast he can run and dodge his casual attacks but again still gets blitzed by Naoya and the Mach 0.69 metric. Proposed key listed below:
This is effectively just the removal of any feats that happened after Chapter 213 and changing the stat for his speed.
Another key would be applied after that which would be a "Post-Chapter 213" key to indicate when he splits from Sukuna to explain the stat difference. Sukuna does note that he's surprised by Yuji's stats after all and right after he keeps up with Maki and Sukuna relatively well. Some of the P&A from the Shinjuku key would also get transferred to this key as well in a separate tabber, specifically the removal of P&A thanks to the removal of Sukuna as well as adding in the resistance to Soul Manip that the Shinjuku key has since it would apply here. The proposed key and changes are summarized below:
Addition to Yuji's First Key Soul Resistance per @SunDaGamer
Also note that this OP and the stats are still subject to change, this is mostly just my proposal for what the stats should look like based on the current calcs and stats we have and to work around any discrepancies between the speed cap and the calcs.
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
So, it was decided that a transonic and Mach 3 cap would be placed upon the verse and the Post-Sumo stats/key for Maki would be removed. As it's the only speed stats for her on that key, it would just be replaced with scaling to the other characters around her level, i.e. the heavy hitters like Yuta, Yuji, Hakari, etc. That leads to the bigger issue of where to place everyone now that the caps have been accepted which is where this thread comes into play.
Based on the revision, the profiles that would have to be changed are:
Yuji Itadori
Yuji Itadori (虎杖いたどり 悠ゆう仁じ, Itadori Yūji?) is the main protagonist of the manga and anime series Jujutsu Kaisen. He is a high school student with exceptional physical abilities, even before becoming a jujutsu sorcerer. Raised by his grandfather, Yuji is taught the importance of helping others...
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Satoru Gojo
Satoru Gojo (五ご条じょう 悟さとる, Gojō Satoru?) is one of the main protagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a Special Grade Jujutsu Sorcerer who is widely recognized as the strongest of the Modern Era. Satoru is the pride of the Gojo Family, being the first person to inherit both Limitless and...
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Yuta Okkotsu
Yuta Okkotsu (乙骨おっこつ 憂ゆう太た, Okkotsu Yūta?) is currently a second-year student at Jujutsu High who is studying overseas. He was the main protagonist of Jujutsu Kaisen prequel series Tokyo Metropolitan Curse Technical School. Six years ago, Rika Orimoto gave Yuta an engagement ring, and they...
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Yuki Tsukumo
Yuki Tsukumo (九十九つくも 由基ゆき, Tsukumo Yuki?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. She is one of only four special grade jujutsu sorcerers. Yuki is not aligned with Jujutsu High, so her reputation paints her as the only special grade sorcerer who doesn't take on missions. In truth, Yuki...
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Kinji Hakari
Kinji Hakari (秤はかり金きん次じ, Hakari Kinji?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a third-year student at Tokyo Jujutsu High who is currently suspended for clashing with authority. Tier: At least 8-A, likely higher, At least 7-C with Jackpot Key: Perfect Preparation Arc/Culling Game Arc...
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Maki Zenin
Maki Zenin (禪ぜん院いん 真ま希き, Zen'in Maki?) is a major supporting character in Jujutsu Kaisen and one of the main protagonists of the prequel series, Jujutsu Kaisen 0. She is currently a second-year at Tokyo Jujutsu High. Originally from the Zenin Clan, Maki left on her own due to being rejected for...
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Toji Fushiguro
Toji Fushiguro (伏ふし黒ぐろ 甚とう爾じ, Fushiguro Tōji?), previously Toji Zen'in (禪ぜん院いん 甚とう爾じ, Zen'in Tōji?), is the father of Megumi Fushiguro. He took a job from the Star Religious Group to assassinate the Star Plasma Vessel. Tier: At least 8-A Name: Toji Fushiguro, Toji Zen'in (Formerly) Origin...
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Kenjaku
Kenjaku (羂けん索じゃく, Kenjaku?) is one of the primary antagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is an ancient sorcerer who has goals against the Jujutsu High and Tengen, using curses to complete his plan. Tier: At least 7-C, far higher with Maximum Uzumaki Name: Kenjaku, Noritoshi Kamo, Kaori...
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Hiromi Higuruma
Hiromi Higuruma (日ひ車ぐるま 寛ひろ見み, Higuruma Hiromi?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He was a defense attorney who often took on impossibly difficult cases in order to protect the wrongfully accused. Having since given up on the justice system completely, Hiromi participated in the...
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Suguru Geto
Suguru Geto (夏げ油とう 傑すぐる, Getō Suguru?) is an antagonist in both the Jujutsu Kaisen series and its prequel Jujutsu Kaisen 0: Jujutsu High. He was originally a student of Masamichi Yaga's alongside Satoru Gojo and Shoko Ieiri at Tokyo Jujutsu High. His experiences as a Jujutsu Sorcerer bred a deep...
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Charles Bernard
Charles Bernard (シャルル・ベルナール, Sharuru Berunāru?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is an aspiring mangaka who was aggressively pursuing his goals until he was unwillingly forced to participate in the Culling Game. Tier: At least 8-A, likely higher Name: Charles Bernard Origin...
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Kurourushi
Kurourushi (黒沐くろうる死し?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. It was a special grade cockroach cursed spirit released from Kenjaku's Cursed Spirit Manipulation in order to participate in the Culling Game as a player. Tier: 7-C with Festering Life Sword and Animal Manipulation Name...
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Takako Uro
Takako Uro (烏う鷺ろ 亨たか子こ, Uro Takako?), a former captain of the Sun, Moon, and Stars Squad reporting to the Fujiwara Clan's Assassination Team, is a participant in the Culling Games. She made a Binding Vow, viewing the games as a second chance in life. Tier: At least 7-C, likely higher with Thin...
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Ryu Ishigori
Ryu Ishigori (石いし流ごおり龍りゅう, Ishigōri Ryū?) is a jujutsu sorcerer from 400 years ago, brought into the modern era by Kenjaku for the Culling Game. Confident and driven, he seeks fulfilling combat experiences, likening them to enjoying delicacies. A hotshot with a strong desire to face worthy...
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Hajime Kashimo
Hajime Kashimo (鹿紫雲かしも 一はじめ, Kashimo Hajime?), initially portrayed as an antagonist in Jujutsu Kaisen, transforms into a supporting character within the series. Inhabiting a body prepared by the sorcerer Kenjaku from 400 years ago, Kashimo becomes a key player in Kenjaku's Culling Game, aiming...
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Uraume
Uraume (裏梅うらうめ, Uraume?) is a recurring antagonist in Jujutsu Kaisen. They are an ally of Kenjaku and a former servant of Ryomen Sukuna in ancient times, using their abilities to help him cause chaos and create a new era of terror. Tier: 7-C Name: Uraume Origin: Jujutsu Kaisen Gender: Unknown...
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So for the changes themselves, anyone who currently scales to Supersonic+ is going to be downgraded to Subsonic+ the value from this calc which would put them at Mach 0.73 for their combat and reaction speed as everyone here basically scales to Maki/Toji in one way or another, either through fighting one of them, being considered a heavy hitter like Maki is, or just scaling to someone who has heavy hitter tier stats. This however leads to an inconsistency where Yuji was blitzed by Naoya moving at Mach 0.69.
To handle that I'm going to propose a split for Yuji's stats, with a new key to separate the difference. His current "Itadori's Extermination to Culling Games" key will have its speed dropped down to "At least Subsonic, likely higher" which would be upscaling from his previous "Kyoto Goodwill Event to Shibuya Incident" key. He's still fast enough to surprise Yuta with just how fast he can run and dodge his casual attacks but again still gets blitzed by Naoya and the Mach 0.69 metric. Proposed key listed below:
Attack Potency: Large Town level (Grew stronger since Shibuya. Blocked Yuta's sword with a knife, despite never learning how to imbue weapons with Cursed Energy. Headbutted Hakari. Broke Yuta's katana with a single kick), far higher with Black Flash
Speed: At least Subsonic, likely higher combat speed and reactions (Avoided Yuta's initial rush and made Yuta compliment his speed. Had repeatedly dodged Yuta's sword strikes)
Lifting Strength: At least Class M (Held back Yuta's sword from pressing at him)
Durability: Large Town level (Tanked a punch and a kick from Yuta with no visible injuries. Took a beatdown from Hakari while actively not resisting. Even after having his cursed energy confiscated by Judgeman, he could withstand several attacks from Higuruma who described him as an unbreakable doll)
Speed: At least Subsonic, likely higher combat speed and reactions (Avoided Yuta's initial rush and made Yuta compliment his speed. Had repeatedly dodged Yuta's sword strikes)
Lifting Strength: At least Class M (Held back Yuta's sword from pressing at him)
Durability: Large Town level (Tanked a punch and a kick from Yuta with no visible injuries. Took a beatdown from Hakari while actively not resisting. Even after having his cursed energy confiscated by Judgeman, he could withstand several attacks from Higuruma who described him as an unbreakable doll)
This is effectively just the removal of any feats that happened after Chapter 213 and changing the stat for his speed.
Another key would be applied after that which would be a "Post-Chapter 213" key to indicate when he splits from Sukuna to explain the stat difference. Sukuna does note that he's surprised by Yuji's stats after all and right after he keeps up with Maki and Sukuna relatively well. Some of the P&A from the Shinjuku key would also get transferred to this key as well in a separate tabber, specifically the removal of P&A thanks to the removal of Sukuna as well as adding in the resistance to Soul Manip that the Shinjuku key has since it would apply here. The proposed key and changes are summarized below:
Powers and Abilities: All previous abilities on a much higher degree minus Immortality, Multiple Selves, & Regeneration (Sukuna left his body)
Attack Potency: Large Town level (Surprised 15F Sukuna with his strength and had relative performance against him with Maki), far higher with Black Flash
Speed: At least Subsonic+ combat speed and reactions (Visibly surprised Sukuna and managed to keep pace with him and Maki)
Lifting Strength: At least Class M (Caved in a roof with his jump)
Striking Strength: Large Town level, far higher with Black Flash
Durability: Large Town level (Withstood a gut punch from 10% 15F Sukuna as well as dozens of dismantles)
Attack Potency: Large Town level (Surprised 15F Sukuna with his strength and had relative performance against him with Maki), far higher with Black Flash
Speed: At least Subsonic+ combat speed and reactions (Visibly surprised Sukuna and managed to keep pace with him and Maki)
Lifting Strength: At least Class M (Caved in a roof with his jump)
Striking Strength: Large Town level, far higher with Black Flash
Durability: Large Town level (Withstood a gut punch from 10% 15F Sukuna as well as dozens of dismantles)
Addition to Yuji's First Key Soul Resistance per @SunDaGamer
Also note that this OP and the stats are still subject to change, this is mostly just my proposal for what the stats should look like based on the current calcs and stats we have and to work around any discrepancies between the speed cap and the calcs.
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Neutral:
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