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I feel Genshin abyssal energy page and some users of abyssal energy are missing a few abilities. Here are the abilities I believe abyss energy has.

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Here are some of the abilities I think all users of abyssal energy should have, specifically those that are performed using pure abyssal energy.

I have included powers and abilities already listed on the abyssal explanation page

and some abyssal being profiles, along with additional abilities I believe they should have



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Empowerment



One of the effects of the Abyss is that it can increase the power of living things.



"The effects of the Abyss vary. For some, coming into contact with it is a debuff that makes them weaker, kills them, or transmutates them; elemental beings, in particular, are very susceptible to this.

However, for others—like Skirk durin or the Sinners—it can actually make them stronger."

some people are also
Compatible with it somewhat like skirks people

It's also possible to absorb Abyssal Energy, something shown by Skirk, the Sinners, and other Abyssal beings, to strengthen both the physique and abilities in the process.

The Twins can also absorb it, along with some other beings.

Abyssal Energy also empowers the creations of Rhinedottir, with beings like Durin, Elynas, and Bakunawa possessing power derived from Abyssal sources.

Bakunawa's immortality came from a "transcendental form of Abyssal power that is beyond even the Abyss Order's understanding," granting it functional immortality and infinite growth potential.

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Impairment

Abyssal Energy has a corrupting effect on everything it contacts, though it varies and some are resistant .


Even slight exposure to the Abyss can corrupt someone's entire being or outright kill them though it depends on the levels.

The Abyss can corrupt, corrode, influence, and transmute the body, mind, soul, memory, perception, and more.

And cause illnesses allergies, confusion, vomiting, and other effects.


Those who come into contact with Abyssal corruption may have their true forms deteriorate and may transform into mindless monsters.

The Abyss is capable of corrupting abstract concepts such as space time, and information, as well as information-based entities like the Pyro dragon and possibly other concepts .

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The Nature of Abyssal Energy

Core Mechanisms

Abyssal Energy innately possesses the following abilities:


Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), Pain Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Type 1; The Dark Mud is a form of Abyssal Corruption and a form of forbidden knowledge in its original state.

Pain, madness and chaos were instigated upon everyone in Sumeru when Greater Lord Rukkhadevata's consciousness was polluted by it. Forbidden knowledge originated from the very depths of the Abyss
Possibly Causality Manipulation and Acausality

— "The true essence of the Abyss lies in the hatred carried by all the alternate possibilities of fate that never came to pass. It is the sum of all that is destined to happen and all that never will."


not sure what this qualifies for —

The Lord of the Hidden Depths' true body exists only as "a formless mass of pure Abyssal energy," with its physical form being merely a projection.

The formless beast that soared through the starless void developed grotesque appendages only to adapt to Teyvat's laws.

Death manipulation

Rerir's Deathly Blast instantly kills the active combatant if the countermeasure (absorbing kuuvahki) fails.

The Tenebrous Papilla's Beseech the Dark similarly directly kills the active combatant if the Void Ward is not broken in time.

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Standard Effects

Abyssal Energy causes corruption to what it comes into contact with and brings some negative effects through its exposure

Corruption type 1-2 —
Spirits that cannot rest due to engendered resentment, partings with loved ones, or desires that go unfulfilled, if corrupted by the Abyss, may transform into ghouls, forever lost in the thick mists of the Wild Hunt.

Abyssal Energy corrupts all it touches, transforming humans into ghouls, Wilderness Hunters, or other Abyssal entities.
to prevent the Corruption of the Mare Jivari spreading beyond Tenochzitoch, venti had to blow it off the Timeline. Turning it into the Windless Land.) As the abyss corruption was across time

The Serpent of All Evils was originally a man named Raimo who transformed after Rotwang's defeat, and the Ultimate Calamity was originally Morozov, reawakened as an Abyssal entity.

Biological Manipulation

Prolonged Abyssal exposure causes physical

deterioration, transformation into monsters, and various biological effects.


Mind Manipulation & Madness Manipulation (Types 1-3) — Abyssal Energy can drive people crazy, causing confusion, memory loss, insanity, and personality changes. Voices in the head are another symptom of Abyssal corruption.

Memory Manipulation

Tenebrous Papillae extract memories from Ley Lines to imitate and manipulate, distorting past memories into "abstruse and sordid forms."

Skirk can erase someone's memory if they notice her, making them completely forget her existence.

Soul Manipulation

Spirits that cannot rest—due to resentment, partings with loved ones, or unfulfilled desires—if corrupted by the Abyss, may transform into ghouls forever lost in the Wild Hunt.

So I wove together the dying echoes of countless souls, and spent quite some time learning from them — half a day or so, I believe

Perception Manipulation (Il Capitano stated that the mental effects caused by Abyssal Energy will cause hallucinations upon its victims.

Corrosion Inducement

Riftwolves erode "the boundaries of the world." Abyssal attacks inflict stacking damage over time. Each hit inflicts stacks of "Corrosion" or "Attrition."

NecromancyThe Abyss can reawaken the dead as Abyssal entities.





Summoning Abyssal creatures can summon Other or less abyssal beings .

Self-Sustenance — Abyssal beings do not need to eat, sleep, or breathe.

Immortality — Most Abyssal beings have some form of immortality or extreme regeneration. Bakunawa is capable of infinite growth and is functionally immortal.

Even after Durin was killed, his heart was still active, and he was going to eventually revive.

After Elynas was killed, her consciousness still lived, and she could be revived.

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Abyssal Energy Manipulation

Low-Level Manipulation


· Mist Creation

· Forcefield Creation

· Energy Projection —

Wilderness Exiles can fire orbs of Abyssal energy, dealing damage. Tenebrous Mimiflora can fire homing Abyssal Spheres.

Rerir can fire Abyssal Arrows.

· Forms four large orbs of abyssal flame and sends them flying.

· Launches a large orb of abyssal flame.

Once it lands, it will briefly pull nearby things toward it, then explode.

· Engulfs the arena in a dark fog which greatly reduces visibility.

· Summons abyssal flames to rain down in random locations.

· Begins channeling immense abyssal energy. When charging completes, it releases a massive blast across the arena.

· Summons four abyssal portals that fire beams.

· Teleportation — Short-range.

· Corrosion — All Riftwolf attacks apply Corrosion.

· Invulnerability — The power of the Abyss descends upon the world, displaying a rejection of all that is. Targets protected by Void Wards cannot be damaged while defended by them.

· Attraction — Spawns a vortex that pulls the player toward the center of the arena.

· Healing — Surtalogi can restore Skirk's limbs, such as a broken wrist.

Whatever this is: Of course, it's well within my abilities to connect this place directly to the Abyss

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High-Level Manipulation

Information Manipulation (Type 2)** —

They extract memories from Ley Lines to imitate and manipulate, distorting past memories into "more abstruse and sordid forms" to draw closer to Irminsul's core.

Memory Extraction & Abilities Mimicry

Gosoythoth extracts the "remnant will" of a primordial elemental dragon sovereign from Ley Lines, repurposing it to fabricate an image of Xiuhcoatl, the Pyro Dragon Sovereign.

"It is a form they only adopted to get closer to the tree-like world, that they might extract the necessary concepts from it, and analyze and imitate them."

The Iniquitous Baptist can wield up to three elements simultaneously (Cryo, Electro, Hydro, Pyro in combinations)

using Abyssal power. Tenebrous entities mimic the forms and attacks of various enemies, from Ruin Guards to Normal Bosses.



Spatial Cutting (Durability Negation) — Skirk's attacks cut through space, bypassing conventional durability entirely.



Danmaku & Homing Attacks

— The Wilderness Hunter's Abyssal Frenzy tears its chest open, causing a barrage of homing Abyssal projectiles to burst out. Tenebrous Mimiflora fire homing Abyssal Spheres.

Portal CreationSkirk can create portals using Abyssal Energy.

Thought-Based DeconstructionSkirk can deconstruct objects through thought alone.

TransmutationSkirk can transform objects, such as compressing the All-Devouring Narwhal into an energy ball.

Density ManipulationSkirk can manipulate the density of matter using Abyssal Energy.

Forcefield CreationSkirk can create barriers using Abyssal Energy.

Passive Memory ManipulationSkirk possesses a passive ability to erase the memory of anyone who notices her, causing them to completely forget her existence.

Explosion Manipulation, Telekinesis, Smoke Manipulation & Crystal Manipulation

Skirk covered the All-Devouring Narwhal with crystal shards, then lifted it up from the surface before unleashing an explosion with sparks of abyssal mist, before transforming the Narwhal.

Flight — Skirk can fly using Abyssal Energy.

The seven shifting serpent

Power Mimicry (Limited; Can replicate the effects of the seven Elements—Pyro, Hydro, Anemo, Electro, Dendro, Cryo, and Geo—by using Abyssal energy to permeate reality and create negative pressure that calls upon the corresponding Element's energy flow)



Elemental Manipulation (Pyro, Hydro, Anemo, Electro, Dendro, Cryo, Geo; via Abyssal Permeation)

Reality Warping (Minor; Can permeate reality to create effects)

Physics Manipulation (Limited; Can create specific forms of negative pressure to alter how energy flows)

—It was originally known as "Chaos Permeation," a minor spell developed by Khaenri'ah's Universitas Magistrorum, and it was made to mock Teyvat's wielders of elemental power.

As a warrior,his first attempt
Users of this spell could use Abyssal energy to evoke effects similar to the Elements.

As a warrior,his first attempt
The underlying principle was analogous to using the Abyss to permeate reality, creating specific forms of negative pressure to thereby call upon the flow of a corresponding Element's energy.

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Sinner-Level Manipulation

Incorporeality
(In his phantom form, Rerir is merely just his will form without physical body

Absorption & Adaptation (Rerir can adapt to kuuvahki energy and absorb it to make himself stronger)



RegenerationRerir and all Sinners can regenerate even if their bodies and forms are completely destroyed repeatedly.

His body was torn into countless pieces scattered across time and space, yet his life and will were not extinguished; every fragment calls to him for eventual return.

Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, 3, 5and 8; Surtalogi can removed the Curse of Immortality, Surtalogi offered to remove the curse of immortality from Skofnungr. Skofnungr declined, citing Surtalogi's own words that he told him back then, and Surtalogi respected his request

Energy Absorption (surtalogi can absorbed the energy of a machine and even a God

Spatial Manipulation ) — Surtalogi is superior to Skirk, who can cut through space. As the reflection of the Shade of Void, his spatial manipulation should be comparable to Asmoday.


Death Manipulation — Rerir wields Barnstokkr, a polearm with the power of "Death." As blasphemy against death, his death manipulation should be comparable to Ronova at full power


Time Manipulation — Vedrfolnir, as the reflection of Istaroth, possesses time manipulation capabilities.


Life Manipulation — Rhinedottir wielded the sword Serpent Devourer, once named "Logseims," which glimmers with the power of "Life.



Reason/logic Manipulation — Hroptatyr wielded the claymore Ardent Storm, once named "Starkuthr," which glimmers with the power of "Reason." — Hroptatyr wielded the claymore Ardent Storm, once named "Starkuthr," which glimmers with the power of "Reason."

Source

Incorporeality and Avatar Creation(Surtalogi is a Higher Being, physical form is meaningless to him. Surtalogi is able to take on any form he desires. While traveling across the stars, he usually assumes the form of a humanoid wearing Abyssal armor and wields a claymore-like weapon.



Instant Death — Rerir's Deathly Blast instantly kills the active combatant if not countered.


Deconstruction resistance

Rerir, after absorbing Kuhvaki like Columbina, was able to avoid being destroyed by the moon’s reflection, which usually destroys the bodies of those who enter.

He also fought columbina with High-level kuuhvaki energy being capable of reconstructing matter down to the subatomic level.



Aura - Even lesser Abyssal beings passively radiate Abyssal Energy, causing corruption. Sinners should have a greater Abyssal aura


Agree
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These are neither Causality Manip or Acausality.

Whatever is this, certainly not qualified for nep 2. Not even “possibly”
What is even Instant Death? Bro's making his own ability.

You need to be more specific with your scans. And why do you keep sending the same link over and over again?


These are already exist in Abyssal Energy page. Why do you brought it up here? Bruh..

The link is broken, and why do you even brough Venti's BFR justification here? What are u even expecting?

Immortality — Most Abyssal beings have some form of immortality or extreme regeneration. Bakunawa is capable of infinite growth and is functionally immortal.

Even after Durin was killed, his heart was still active, and he was going to eventually revive.

After Elynas was killed, her consciousness still lived, and she could be revived.
The Immortality is only for Bakunawa. I don't even know why you brought up Durin and Elynas here while they're clearly dead, and not immortal.

sigh

Poorly structured with the scan. And Surtalogi's part, that's his own personal ability.


These already exist in the page.
No, that's her own ability.
Danmaku & Homing Attacks

— The Wilderness Hunter's Abyssal Frenzy tears its chest open, causing a barrage of homing Abyssal projectiles to burst out. Tenebrous Mimiflora fire homing Abyssal Spheres.
Not all Abyssal Monsters can do what these monsters did.

WHY DO YOU BROUGHT RERIR'S OWN PERSONAL ABILITIES?


You don't even know how CM and AE works?


This are just for Rerir, and he already has it. Nowhere does it says all sinners.


These are not from Abyssal Energy in general. These are specifically Surtalogi's ability.

Funny how these manipulations were coming from their weapons, not the Abyssal Energy.


Bruh
Rerir, after absorbing Kuhvaki like Columbina, was able to avoid being destroyed by the moon’s reflection, which usually destroys the bodies of those who enter.

He also fought columbina with High-level kuuhvaki energy being capable of reconstructing matter down to the subatomic level.
That's Kuuvahki thing, not Abyssal Energy, lol.
Aura - Even lesser Abyssal beings passively radiate Abyssal Energy, causing corruption. Sinners should have a greater Abyssal aura
The page already has this.
 
You should not post any thread regarding these kind of stuff. You should learn how to properly structured your thread.

Judging by your presentation, you just copy and paste.
 
I see some important points that I really want to discuss later, such as only the abyss is created from infinite possibilities that are not realized, exists as an absolute void, etc. I also see there is an EE for the abyss because they erase civilization, stars, planets, etc. until they are in absolute nothingness.

But I suggest, try to revise this CRT, I see some of your points are good if you present them neatly. Yeah, maybe that's all
 
I see some important points that I really want to discuss later, such as only the abyss is created from infinite possibilities that are not realized, exists as an absolute void, etc. I also see there is an EE for the abyss because they erase civilization, stars, planets, etc. until they are in absolute nothingness.
you really dont know how much you're feeding us with this sentence
 
what you just described is like 1-1 with imaginary space 😭 or the soq
I know that, I've been thinking about it for a long time: void realm = SoQ, true universe = IT. But, we still lack evidence to equate all of that.
 
I know that, I've been thinking about it for a long time: void realm = SoQ, true universe = IT. But, we still lack evidence to equate all of that.
huh well then. ill let woomy elaborate on this cause genshin isnt reinstalled yet (linnea is so friggin adorable)
 
These are neither Causality Manip or Acausality.


Whatever is this, certainly not qualified for nep 2. Not even “possibly”

What is even Instant Death? Bro's making his own ability.


You need to be more specific with your scans. And why do you keep sending the same link over and over again?



These are already exist in Abyssal Energy page. Why do you brought it up here? Bruh..


The link is broken, and why do you even brough Venti's BFR justification here? What are u even expecting?


The Immortality is only for Bakunawa. I don't even know why you brought up Durin and Elynas here while they're clearly dead, and not immortal.


sigh


Poorly structured with the scan. And Surtalogi's part, that's his own personal ability.



These already exist in the page.

No, that's her own ability.

Not all Abyssal Monsters can do what these monsters did.


WHY DO YOU BROUGHT RERIR'S OWN PERSONAL ABILITIES?



You don't even know how CM and AE works?



This are just for Rerir, and he already has it. Nowhere does it says all sinners.



These are not from Abyssal Energy in general. These are specifically Surtalogi's ability.


Funny how these manipulations were coming from their weapons, not the Abyssal Energy.



Bruh

That's Kuuvahki thing, not Abyssal Energy, lol.

The page already has this.

The reason Bakunawa is immortal is due to its power coming from a more transcendent form of Abyssal energy.

It wouldn’t make sense, in my opinion, for the Sinners not to have a similar form of immortality, since they became transcendent beings through Abyssal energy.

As for durin and Elynas they have Type 4 immortality Durin's heart being "still active" and his eventual planned revival


indicates he was not permanently dead – he was in a state of suspended death.

Plus, Elynas's consciousness persisted after their physical death, and revival was possible (Jakob tried to restart their heart).


Everything the Sinners do is mostly due to Abyssal energy, aside from the specific attributes they blaspheme.


I don’t see why the other Sinners wouldn’t be able to heal someone using Abyssal energy.

Healing and Void aren’t exactly linked to each other, and even if the other Sinners haven’t learned how to use Abyssal power in that specific way,

they should still have the potential
to do so since it all comes from the same source.

Skirk can cut space using Abyssal energy. Unlike the other Sinners, she doesn’t blaspheme an attribute—her power is just Abyssal energy.

It doesn’t make sense for high-tier Abyssal beings or the Five Sinners to be unable to do the same.

The reason Rerir survived the Moon’s reflection, even though his body was destroyed, was due to his Abyssal energy and his status as a transcendent being.

Unless you’re arguing that he survived specifically because his domain is death, I don’t see why the other Sinners wouldn’t also survive even if their bodies were destroyed.

The Visionary can also remove the curse of immortality, so it’s not a Surtalogi-only ability.

Surtalogi’s attribute isn’t even death, which implies that at a certain level, Abyssal energy in general can negate it.

Rerir has also shown the ability to absorb energy, so I’m not convinced that energy absorption is exclusive to Surtalogi.

The Sinners are still associated with their respective attributes.

Them having life, death, time, Void, and reason manipulation wouldn’t be far-fetched since they are transcendent beings.

It’s not a coincidence that Rerir wielded a weapon that glimmered with the power of Death

he also has the title “Blasphemy Against Death,”

or that the Wild Hunt has connections to the themes of death through being ghouls/undead.

In my opinion, unless an Abyssal ability is directly tied to a Sinner’s specific attribute


(such as Rerir with death, the Visionary with time, Surtalogi with Void, Gold with life, and the Wise with reason),

then if the ability comes from Abyssal energy in general, even if the Sinners don’t fully understand the mechanics behind it, they should still have the potential to use it

since it all originates from the same source Abyssal energy .
 
I see some important points that I really want to discuss later, such as only the abyss is created from infinite possibilities that are not realized, exists as an absolute void, etc. I also see there is an EE for the abyss because they erase civilization, stars, planets, etc. until they are in absolute nothingness.

But I suggest, try to revise this CRT, I see some of your points are good if you present them neatly. Yeah, maybe that's all
I edited it somewhat
 
The reason Bakunawa is immortal is due to its power coming from a more transcendent form of Abyssal energy.
Doesn't mean it can be scale to all other abyssal monsters. You think all abyssal monsters are equal?
It wouldn’t make sense, in my opinion, for the Sinners not to have a similar form of immortality, since they became transcendent beings through Abyssal energy.
First of all, you need to learn how to get NEP 2. What your describing is nothing more than Incorporeality. You are too relying on this "transcendent being" while the word “transcendent” itself is a vague word that doesn't mean anything without context.

As for durin and Elynas they have Type 4 immortality Durin's heart being "still active" and his eventual planned revival
Elynas does not have it since he's permanently dead. Durin itself takes a lot of time, even more than 500 years. I doubt that's even qualified.
Plus, Elynas's consciousness persisted after their physical death, and revival was possible (Jakob tried to restart their heart).
Yet Jakob didn't make it. And funny how that's through Jakob, not Elynas himself? So no.

Everything the Sinners do is mostly due to Abyssal energy, aside from the specific attributes they blaspheme.
Yes. But the stuff you mentioned are their personal abilities, not Abyssal Energy abilities in general.

I don’t see why the other Sinners wouldn’t be able to heal someone using Abyssal energy.
That's just an assumption then? Lmao.

Healing and Void aren’t exactly linked to each other, and even if the other Sinners haven’t learned how to use Abyssal power in that specific way,
That's just your headcanon. You think we are allowing Headcanon here?

they should still have the potential
to do so since it all comes from the same source.
Not necessarily. You have to explain many things.

Skirk can cut space using Abyssal energy. Unlike the other Sinners, she doesn’t blaspheme an attribute—her power is just Abyssal energy.
That's her personal abilities.

It doesn’t make sense for high-tier Abyssal beings or the Five Sinners to be unable to do the same.
Headcanon.

The reason Rerir survived the Moon’s reflection, even though his body was destroyed, was due to his Abyssal energy and his status as a transcendent being.
No 😭

The reason why Rerir manage to survive in the Moon's Reflection is because of the Kuuvahki Energy he absorbed.
Rächer of Solnari: But this time, I survived... It must be partly because of this new body, and partly because of all the kuuvahki I absorbed in Nod-Krai.

Unless you’re arguing that he survived specifically because his domain is death, I don’t see why the other Sinners wouldn’t also survive even if their bodies were destroyed.
Holy headcanon. You better stop with this "i don't see why not" bullshit cause that's just your headcanon.

The Visionary can also remove the curse of immortality, so it’s not a Surtalogi-only ability.
Nothing in the game ever said so. I know this game's lore more than you, so i know what i'm talking about.

Surtalogi’s attribute isn’t even death, which implies that at a certain level, Abyssal energy in general can negate it.
What is this non-sequitur?

Rerir has also shown the ability to absorb energy, so I’m not convinced that energy absorption is exclusive to Surtalogi.
That is not how it works buddy. That's a personal ability.

Moreover, Surtalogi already has Absorption.
Them having life, death, time, Void, and reason manipulation wouldn’t be far-fetched since they are transcendent beings.
Those powers were coming from their weapons, not because of they're transcendent beings.

Again, you should not rely on this “transcendent" BS

In my opinion, unless an Abyssal ability is directly tied to a Sinner’s specific attribute
Nobody cares about your opinion. We need an evidence from the game, not your opinion.

then if the ability comes from Abyssal energy in general, even if the Sinners don’t fully understand the mechanics behind it, they should still have the potential to use it
holy headcanon.
 
You should stop making this kind of CRTs. You should learn more about a lot of stuff. You clearly still don't know anything about these.
 
You saying this nonsense is all I need to know ,did you forget the part when they dug up the corpse of someone cursed with immortality.
The Visionary can also remove the curse of immortality, so it’s not a Surtalogi-only ability.
Nothing in the game ever said so. I know this game's lore more than you, so i know what i'm talking about.
 
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The Immortality is only for Bakunawa. I don't even know why you brought up Durin and Elynas here while they're clearly dead, and not immortal.
Elynas theorically is a ghost, and Durin was gonna revive if werent for Simulanka's Durin
Either way, we have immortality already
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Anyways yeah, agree with Sahl with CRT is bad
 
I know that, I've been thinking about it for a long time: void realm = SoQ, true universe = IT. But, we still lack evidence to equate all of that.
SoQ is largely not this corrosive. It’s the Honkai itself that causes the issues.

Though. Cocoon is called the Abyss. For whatever that’s worth. Not that it makes any sense that Genshin’s Abyss is the Cocoon.
 
This CRT seems poorly structured and many of the links don't work for me. I am not an expert on the verse but perhaps this should be closed and then remade?
 
After reviewing the CRT, I do agree that it was poorly created. I’d also advise the OP to ask in the Verse General Discussion thread before posting, so the chances of mistakes can be minimized.

Closing it.
 
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