Qurbonboev
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Can you remind me when exactly did they feel/measure his cursed energy output? In what part of story? When he is actually fighting, or when he is just standing still?
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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All this crying when Dabura is just him and Fraudkuna and Weakjo are just way below him in strength, speed and durability, Staff decided it, and you would need actual arguments to change it
Rodriiogo
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When he was at the USA for an unknown period of time off-screen. We don't know how they did it but the narrative statements and the promo material proves it even further alongside all the narrative intentions and Yuji being there.
Same staff that ignored the points entirely btw (didn't even reply to it), literally no one that actually read JJK and Modulo will tell you Dabura is miles stronger than Sukuna in terms of physicals other than speed obviously.
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this shit keeps popping up im gonna crash out
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As if what the staff decided reflected the reality of things. If that were true, we wouldn't have Chocho at Rikudo Senin's level here in the profiles...
Qurbonboev
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It's unlikely Dabura was outputting cursed energy to the fullest there, so comparison between his and Sukuna cursed energy output isn't reliable
Take your time, and collect every piece of evidence of physical stats relativity between Dabura and Sukuna. (Also, scaling Yuji to Dabura was denied too, so it would be need to proved independently).
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sorry to bring up this again, but i checked and in the yorozu fight we are told sukuna does indeed amp his shikigami with his high output
mahoraga seems to be the only one whose power is completely independent of its user
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Zabazab
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Ryu can tank 16F Sukuna's Dismantle because we both see that happen and Sukuna says it himself. Ryu also has higher CE output than 16F Sukuna because, again, we are told as much in the manga. Ryu still gets blitzed and Cleaved.
I'd argue he can't, unless it's possible to exhaust Mahito's cursed energy by forcing him to maintain the shape of his own soul.
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except "in history" would include heian era sukuna
kenjaku forgor
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They definitely do get an amp from Sukuna's high output. Hence why his Nue and Max elephant are larger than Megumi's. It's probably that Mahoraga is already so strong as a normal shikigami that he doesn't get as much of a boost from being tamed by Sukuna as the rest do. Hence why it's been so difficult for previous Ten Shadow users to tame him.He amped the semi-liquid state of the shikigamis, not their full forms. It was to ensure they don't destabilize and lose power. It's not stated that the full forms can benefit from getting amped by his CE.
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He was also able to see Sukuna's soul "fused" with Yuji's in the second chapter.
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Gojo kicked Mahito in Shibuya. Mahito did not mention that Gojo could harm his soul
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it was probably a given since it was jujutsu god kicking him
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ryu joined kashimo in the "strongest of the farm" agenda
MinatoSparkle
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His statement is made in reference to Yuji tanking his Dismantle net. Sukuna hadn't even fought physically yet (other than that one seemingly casual punch that one shot Pre-Rage Amp Yuji).
I'm not. I acknowledged that Sukuna is physically nerfed, all I'm saying is that his physicals aren't at 10%. Although regardless, I do think the 16F Sukuna blitzing Ryu feat is questionable (brief summary: I think Ryu was mentally nerfed), but that's a whole other discussion and not the most relevant to the topic so let's not get into that.
He's weaker for sure, but idt there's proof that he's "WAAAY weaker." In the Yuta fight, he was marginally weaker (doing marginally less damage to Yuta with Dismantle than he did to Ryu, with those two being in the same tier even if Ryu's a bit tougher), his output got dropped significantly, but then he amped himself with 3 Black Flashes. He's probably still weaker than Yuta fight Sukuna, but it's unquantifiable by how much.
Extreme damage is a pretty big exaggeration. We see blood fly, but that doesn't mean she was on death's door or anything. And it was also a barrage of Dismantles, unlike the single one he used against Ryu (and seemingly on the stomach which I'm pretty sure is less tough than the chest, but that's a side point). I also wouldn't say it's contradictory for Ryu to be more durable than Maki, even if only marginally.
She was out of the battle for a bit, but it's not like it knocked her unconscious or anything given that she was standing when Sukuna used his domain.
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Marginally
Ryu would die from a Barrage of 16F Dismantles regardless of if Sukuna was going all out or not. One slash did pretty good, just not fatal damage. Also Ryu is a decent bit tougher than Pre-Awakening Yuji.
- as something that would have killed him if he didn't have RCT.
Except Sukuna clarifies that it's not a matter of holding back due to disinterest, but to being unable to kill him without Cleave. If anything, Sukuna should've been "fired up" by Ryu's toughness given his expression and words of praise, and just powered up his Dismantle to one shot Ryu if the situation was really how you're framing it.This not even touching on the fact that Sukuna was not interested in Ryu, which would affect his output to begin with.
That depends. Mahito pretty much one shot Todo, Gojo knocked out Sukuna, and Yuji one shot an ISB Mahito much stronger than him (who was admittedly at low health, but still).
Sukuna doesn't scale to his Cleave in AP just cause Gojo withstood it. Sukuna is much more durable than he is strong, and the same can be true of Gojo. Does Sukuna actually damage Gojo with just physicals? Even when using DA (which I think is a stat amp, though ik that's considered contentious), Sukuna's punches just knocked Gojo back a bit, Gojo doesn't show actual pain. Much how characters can sometimes tank a BF from a peer, Gojo withstanding a Cleave while he and Sukuna aren't close to matching Cleave's AP with punches is fine.
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Gojo and Mahito have a single interaction where Mahito tries to hit Gojo, fails, then dodges his attack. Gojo never hit Mahito in the anime or manga.
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Eh? To me it looks like Gojo hit him. Sound effects says VWAK, usually a miss is a whoosh(?)
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gojo never hit that man so we don't know if he can affect the soul (though there's much evidence that he can)
Mahito dodging Gojo what idiotic Shibuya Gojo downplayers use to say that Gojo is slower than 15F sukuna
Mahito dodging Gojo what idiotic Shibuya Gojo downplayers use to say that Gojo is slower than 15F sukuna
Anonymous_Learner
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heck, mahito cut off his own arm before gojo could hit him like jogo does a panel or two later
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dabura and yuji are clearly 1000000x stronger than sukuna and gojo brooo
Rodriiogo
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Gege wrote Tsurugi saying "That guy is trash, but we can trust his judgement at least" about him being sukuna level for the bait, inspector general was actually wrong, a random, had no idea on Sukuna's strength and Dabura was actually too strong!! No one ever takes it back or points anything out after seeing the entire fight on-screen because it was a troll as well alongside everything in the story
They even continued the bait in the promo/volumes videos!!
MinatoSparkle
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Presence isn't just about stats. Yuji was sweating bullets at Yuta's presence, and regardless of if Yuta was holding back or not, Yuji fought somewhat evenly with Yuta possessing a presence that far above him. Hanami does imply presence is tied to one's CT.
Him having the highest output in history is a mistranslation, he has the highest output in the history of the Date domain. https://www.reddit.com/r/JujutsuPowerScaling/s/uJYhrpWrk8
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What abt the sound effects? Gojo tried to grab his arm, Mahito cut it off, but he landed a punch on his gut?
Rodriiogo
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I also enjoy seeing people say that "only yuji scales cause hes much stronger as well" or the "Modulo Yuji slams Sukuna no diff" people cause it'd mean everyone in the jujutsu society, especially Miyaguni considering we got confirmation that Yuji was the one that trained her and was her "master", were panicking for no reason cause they forgot Yuji is actually millions of times stronger ig. They also said it would be a "duel" between Dabura and Yuji when saying Dabura was Sukuna level at the same time. They forgot he one shots Sukuna level 
Anonymous_Learner
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tbf to that argument, Jujutsu Society literally went hard looking for yuji after dabura appearedI also enjoy seeing people say that "only yuji scales cause hes much stronger as well" or the "Modulo Yuji slams Sukuna no diff" people cause it'd mean everyone in the jujutsu society, especially Miyaguni considering we got confirmation that Yuji was the one that trained her and was her "master", were panicking for no reason cause they forgot Yuji is actually millions of times stronger ig. They also said it would be a "duel" between Dabura and Yuji when saying Dabura was Sukuna level at the same time. They forgot he one shots Sukuna level
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