Son Goku and Vegeta Vs Lord Ravager Zephyro (Dragon Ball Vs Honkai: Star Rail)

[Voidnether]

Yea Goku may have a chance again unawakened IronTomb, but once he awakens he slams Goku, but now that I think about it, can't he still use IM2 even in an unawakened state, he would just delete Goku

Black Tide moment

 

[LaserPrecision]

By the way, I vote for Irontomb because he has quite a few "toys"

How about we don't put quotation marks around toys

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Nah, Irontomb will **** Goku with his "toys"

 

[Robo432343]

Goku: Hey you look strong lets fight!

Goku: dies

 

[LaserPrecision]

Goku: Hey you look strong lets fight!

Goku: dies

you're so funny robo

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yea Goku may have a chance again unawakened IronTomb, but once he awakens he slams Goku, but now that I think about it, can't he still use IM2 even in an unawakened state, he would just delete Goku

The Anti Irontomb alliance were seen combatting Irontomb's IM2 virus from spreading even though Irontomb didn't even descend onto the universe yet

So far it just looks like Goku is getting chokeslammed by hax

Here's his attack animations btw

 

[Crimson_cordx]

What’s stopping Goku from being Outhax or one-shotted?
He has the higher AP, sure, but Incomplete Irontomob gaps everywhere else.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

What’s stopping Goku from being Outhax or one-shotted?
He has the higher AP, sure, but Incomplete Irontomob gaps everywhere else.

Yea IronTomb just had too many hax, like the only way Goku has a change is if somehow IronTomb just sits there while Goku takes 20 years to charge his hamehameha and launches at incomplete irontomb

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What’s stopping Goku from being Outhax or one-shotted?
He has the higher AP, sure, but Incomplete Irontomob gaps everywhere else.

Should i swap out the match

(Btw I proposed for the z fighters to all be jumping broskie but I was told not to so theres that)

Yea IronTomb just had too many hax, like the only way Goku has a change is if somehow IronTomb just sits there while Goku takes 20 years to charge his hamehameha and launches at incomplete irontomb

Should I swap to Zephyro

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Should i swap out the match

(Btw I proposed for the z fighters to all be jumping broskie but I was told not to so theres that)


Should I swap to Zephyro

Yea, it might be more fair, but he also might have some insane hax I can't think of right now, practically all emanators has had merchants

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yea, it might be more fair, but he also might have some insane hax I can't think of right now, practically all emanators has had merchants

Swapped the match

"The Lord Ravager, Zephyro was spotted at the North Galaxy. According to the Mourning Actors, ████████████████████."

 

[Mbpoops]

to clarify, zephyro's white hole is NOT 2-A possibly high 1-C it only achieves this when colliding with a black hole's singularity. we should treat it as a higher rating unless goku somehow magically creates a black hole

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

to clarify, zephyro's white hole is NOT 2-A possibly high 1-C it only achieves this when colliding with a black hole's singularity. we should treat it as a higher rating unless goku somehow magically creates a black hole

1. We can't ignore whats indexed on profiles for matches.
2. The CRT created rn is only planning on nuking Welt Yang's blackhole while glazing Zephyro's White hole (lol)
3. I'm pretty sure the AP doesn't matter because Goku can't survive a White Hole

 

[Mbpoops]

1. We can't ignore whats indexed on profiles for matches.

we arent ignoring it its just blatant misinformation lmao you might as well put his physicals at 2-a possibly high 1-C since it implies hes giving an infinite amount of energy to the white hole due to UES

2. The CRT created rn is only planning on nuking Welt Yang's blackhole while glazing Zephyro's White hole (lol)

so what?

3. I'm pretty sure the AP doesn't matter because Goku can't survive a White Hole

and whys that?

 

[Mbpoops]

we arent ignoring it its just blatant misinformation lmao you might as well put his physicals at 2-a possibly high 1-C since it implies hes giving an infinite amount of energy to the white hole due to UES

that being said this would be a mismatch if we count his white hole as 2-A lol put phantylia here or smthn atp

 

[Mbpoops]

that being said this would be a mismatch if we count his white hole as 2-A lol put phantylia here or smthn atp

or we could just nuke UES but id highly advise not too

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

we arent ignoring it its just blatant misinformation lmao you might as well put his physicals at 2-a possibly high 1-C since it implies hes giving an infinite amount of energy to the white hole due to UES

“Misinformation” but its literally whats accepted

so what?

So its literally just you crashing out over the rating

that being said this would be a mismatch if we count his white hole as 2-A lol put phantylia here or smthn atp

Why would it be a mismatch if
1. The AP doesnt matter because Goku literally cant survive a white hole
2. The white hole isnt his opening attack and is his ultimate

and whys that?

Because Goku cant resist a white hole and has killed the man with high HE resistance against Gravity Manipulation as well?

Also again most of these are irrelevant unless theres an accepted CRT against the rating (not like it matters in the first place because he literally cant resist the white hole)

 

[Mbpoops]

“Misinformation” but its literally whats accepted

you know what else is accepted? 26 infinities. but everyone in their mother knows thats misinformation lol

So its literally just you crashing out over the rating

how am i crashing out? i lowkey just didnt feel like editing my message

Why would it be a mismatch if
1. The AP doesnt matter because Goku literally cant survive a white hole

answered your own question

2. The white hole isnt his opening attack and is his ultimate

UES you're essentially saying hes applying infinite output into his white hole which would go back to his AP and DC and speed because UES do we not see the issue here? or am i just arguing with a wall

Because Goku cant resist a white hole and has killed the man with high HE resistance against Gravity Manipulation as well?

Also again most of these are irrelevant unless theres an accepted CRT against the rating (not like it matters in the first place because he literally cant resist the white hole)

i mean there was no accepted crt putting zephyro at class Y yet you edited it. there was also no accepted crt giving zephyro and welt 2-A possibly high 1-C yet nether added it herrscher of stars upscale ig

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Even without the white hole Zephyro could just nuke the planet under Goku and he would just die from suffocation

 

[Fezzih_007]

Hmm, this is a little more fair but not much tbh.

Zephyro should be upscaling for his value by a LOT for what I know, so Goku realisticly is not holding the AP advantage in most cases.

That's not exactly a problem, since Goku can just pop a Senzu bean to get a Zenkai boost. The real problem is when Zephyro decides to use the White Hole, Goku have no answer to that.

So in most cases, If Zephyro ever feels pressured he just uses one and Insta-win.

To counter this, Goku needs to defeats him before he does. But considering he only start getting stronger after eating a Senzu (something Zephyro can prevent) and needs to one-shot him immediatly after getting the buff (which is not out-character) his chances are good enough.

But not really, I think Zephyro would just nuke him frame 3, before Goku gets stronger.

 

[Mbpoops]

Hmm, this is a little more fair but not much tbh.

Zephyro should be upscaling for his value by a LOT for what I know, so Goku realisticly is not holding the AP advantage in most cases.

That's not exactly a problem, since Goku can just pop a Senzu bean to get a Zenkai boost. The real problem is when Zephyro decides to use the White Hole, Goku have no answer to that.

So in most cases, If Zephyro ever feels pressured he just uses one and Insta-win.

To counter this, Goku needs to defeats him before he does. But considering he only start getting stronger after eating a Senzu (something Zephyro can prevent) and needs to one-shot him immediatly after getting the buff (which is not out-character) his chances are good enough.

But not really, I think Zephyro would just nuke him frame 3, before Goku gets stronger.

zephyro's personality is giving people painless deaths so realistically he would just nuke him off rip

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Hmm, this is a little more fair but not much tbh.

Zephyro should be upscaling for his value by a LOT for what I know, so Goku realisticly is not holding the AP advantage in most cases.

That's not exactly a problem, since Goku can just pop a Senzu bean to get a Zenkai boost. The real problem is when Zephyro decides to use the White Hole, Goku have no answer to that.

So in most cases, If Zephyro ever feels pressured he just uses one and Insta-win.

To counter this, Goku needs to defeats him before he does. But considering he only start getting stronger after eating a Senzu (something Zephyro can prevent) and needs to one-shot him immediatly after getting the buff (which is not out-character) his chances are good enough.

But not really, I think Zephyro would just nuke him frame 3, before Goku gets stronger.

I don't even think zenkai's do much for the saiyans at this point, I don't think it would allow him to close the gap in ap

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

you know what else is accepted? 26 infinities. but everyone in their mother knows thats misinformation lol

Difference is compared to that, theres literal different interpretations/arguments on this feat split apart and theres a wild card from the CRT OP arguing it was entirely by Zephyro himsef.

Also even then. Her 26 infinities is something I cant ignore for matchups. I am forced to use her rating unless I make a crt to nuke it

how am i crashing out? i lowkey just didnt feel like editing my message

By derailing the thread over something that should be addressed in a CRT

answered your own question

Yeah but the white hole isnt something hes gonna do off rip. When has he ever done a white hole off rip.

UES you're essentially saying hes applying infinite output into his white hole which would go back to his AP and DC and speed because UES do we not see the issue here? or am i just arguing with a wall

You’re arguing with a wall because no one cares. Take it up to the CRT.

i mean there was no accepted crt putting zephyro at class Y yet you edited it. there was also no accepted crt giving zephyro and welt 2-A possibly high 1-C yet nether added it herrscher of stars upscale ig

Because
1. There isn’t a CRT that nuked Class Y Zephyro
2. His justifications literally all say hes stronger than Phantylia
3. There isn’t a CRT that nuked the White Hole or the Black Hole’s AP which is literally confirmed by @Jackof_noTrades068 and @SuperNova55555. Which is literally why Nova made a crt against Welt’s Black Hole right now. So either these are editing mistakes/confusions or these are vandalism that you tried tricking everyone was accepted. (Btw I am NOT accusing you of the latter)

Also against stop derailing a versus matchup and go argue about it in Nova’s crt once a staff shows up asking for a TLDR
Edit: (We ended up restricting the White Hole due to how many other win cons Zephyro had so it doesn't matter now)

 

[Fezzih_007]

Even without the white hole Zephyro could just nuke the planet under Goku and he would just die from suffocation

Goku can just teleport to the next planet to continue the fight. Toei Saiyans don't die instantly for going off planet Just a little.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Even without the white hole Zephyro could just nuke the planet under Goku and he would just die from suffocation

Toei Goku can breathe in space for some reason

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Here

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Goku can just teleport to the next planet to continue the fight. Toei Saiyans don't die instantly for going off planet Just a little.

Wouldn't he need a ki signature, which I don't think he would be able to get when the planet is exploding like when buu was going blow up the planet and so they had to be saved

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

zephyro's personality is giving people painless deaths so realistically he would just nuke him off rip

True but his first move wouldn't be the White Hole at the end of the day. He could do anything else before trying to instant summon his ultimate attack

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I don't even think zenkai's do much for the saiyans at this point, I don't think it would allow him to close the gap in ap

Is the fight contingent on the White Hole because I CAN restrict it due to different AP tier

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

True but his first move wouldn't be the White Hole at the end of the day. He could do anything else before trying to instant summon his ultimate attack

I remember something about a supernova explosion or something when he appeared somewhere, so that might be his first move, or him instantly nuking planets

This
Heat Manipulation (1,000,000,000°C; Capable of instantly erupting a Supernova into flames[19])

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I remember something about a supernova explosion or something when he appeared somewhere, so that might be his first move, or him instantly nuking planets

We honestly don't know his first move because his destruction methods varies a shit ton. Unless we go the fun route and assume he starts off boxing.

(Also Goku can breathe in space so him blowing up the planet should be fine for now)

 

[Fezzih_007]

zephyro's personality is giving people painless deaths so realistically he would just nuke him off rip

Frame 1 then?

I said frame 3, because he didn't immediatly White Hole Phainon.

I don't even think zenkai's do much for the saiyans at this point, I don't think it would allow him to close the gap in ap

Why?

Wouldn't he need a ki signature, which I don't think he would be able to get when the planet is exploding like when buu was going blow up the planet and so they had to be saved

Depends, on that situation Goku was in more time limited, since he needed to get dende and Mr Satan, and be close to Vegeta.

Here, he can teleport the moment he senses Zephyro gonna blow up the Earth, since he's the only one here.

It kinda irrelevante If Zephyro just White Hole tho.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Do yall want me to restrict the white hole and allow the saiyans and green man to fight together against Zephyro

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Frame 1 then?

I said frame 3, because he didn't immediatly White Hole Phainon.

He wouldn't use the White Hole unless he genuinely needs to.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Why?

Idk I remember reading somewhere about zenkai's no long help them much or something might be completely wrong

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Idk I remember reading somewhere about zenkai's no long help them much or something might be completely wrong

You're referring to the DBS Goku Black manga where Goku and Vegeta sidelined on Zenkai boosts while Goku Black abuses the shit out of them

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Do yall want me to restrict the white hole and allow the saiyans and green man to fight together against Zephyro

I still need opinions on this

 

[Fezzih_007]

Idk I remember reading somewhere about zenkai's no long help them much or something might be completely wrong

Well you not wrong, that's a Manga of Dragon Ball Super exclusive thing, It don't really apply to Toei right now.

He wouldn't use the White Hole unless he genuinely needs to.

Do yall want me to restrict the white hole and allow the saiyans and green man to fight together against Zephyro

I do think Zephyro just uses White Hole Immediatly If he ever felt like he gonna lose, so yeah restricted.

Just put Goku and Vegeta, since a 5v1 can't be really added on the profiles for what I remebe, unless they have a Team profile.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Well you not stronger, that's a Manga of Dragon Ball Super exclusive thing, It don't really apply to Toei right now.


I do think Zephyro just uses White Hole Immediatly If he ever felt like he gonna lose, so yeah restricted.

Just put Goku and Vegeta, since a 5v1 can't be really added on the profiles for what I remebe, unless they have a Team profile.

Restricted White hole and added Vegeta here

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Well you not stronger, that's a Manga of Dragon Ball Super exclusive thing, It don't really apply to Toei right now.


I do think Zephyro just uses White Hole Immediatly If he ever felt like he gonna lose, so yeah restricted.

Just put Goku and Vegeta, since a 5v1 can't be really added on the profiles for what I remebe, unless they have a Team profile.

Yea Goku & Vegeta Vs Zephyro and restrict white hole a bit so it's not a instant move, to make it more interesting, might as well restrict supernova, since I don't think they survive that either