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IMITATION OF A SOUL; Metal Sonic vs Cyn (STH vs MD) [0-8-0]

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LaserPrecision said:
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting we're using Adventure era 😭
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@Niko do like the name of your game and one shot them/j
 
LaserPrecision said:
Shadow and Silver were not in a timeless place, what?
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Oops, thought we talkin' about timeless space but nvm then.

LaserPrecision said:
I'm confused, what here proves it isn't LS oriented? All of these look like they involve LS. Am I missing smth?
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They were only doing hand gestures and waving the air without any difficulty, and that made objects and targets move, rotate or get crushed. LS only matters to them if they do it physically like when Uzi was pulling an object in episode 1 with just her hands (even though that was episode 1 and she didn't get her powers yet) or when she got her hand stuck in the rubbles (even though that was in the official music video).

Those will be a topic for another time since most of that was from modern era Sonic
 
Niko said:
LS only matters to them if they do it physically like when Uzi was pulling an object in episode 1 with just her hands
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Incorrect, LS applies in things like clashing, lifting, pulling, crushing, etc no matter what, including things like physical touch or ecocentric abilities like Telekinesis

It’s why Telekinesis genuinely just WONT work on someone if they have a high enough LS.
 
Niko said:
They were only doing hand gestures and waving the air without any difficulty, and that made objects and targets move, rotate or get crushed. LS only matters to them if they do it physically like when Uzi was pulling an object in episode 1 with just her hands
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Not true. Otherwise all Telekinetic characters on the wiki would have durability negation. Twisting, crushing, etc. are all applications of LS through an undefined mean (It can be physical, gravitational, mental, esoteric, etc.)
 
ARandomDude127 said:
Incorrect, LS applies in things like clashing, lifting, pulling, crushing, etc no matter what, including things like physical touch or ecocentric abilities like Telekinesis

It’s why Telekinesis genuinely just WONT work on someone if they have a high enough LS.
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LaserPrecision said:
Not true. Otherwise all Telekinetic characters on the wiki would have durability negation. Twisting, crushing, etc. are all applications of LS through an undefined mean (It can be physical, gravitational, mental, esoteric, etc.)
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Thing is about Solver's telekinesis, it works way different than telekinesis that relies on their own mind, strength or will etc. They are more code-based/programming/brain-computer interface. I think I should make a CRT of it since I just found out code based telekinesis exists. 😭
 
Niko said:
Thing is about Solver's telekinesis, it works way different than telekinesis that relies on their own mind, strength or will etc. They are more code-based/programming/brain-computer interface. I think I should make a CRT of it since I just found out code based telekinesis exists. 😭
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I don't see why that matters. TK can be done via mathematics, spatial manipulation (The former two are a reference to Gojo who has LS via Blue which is the same deal), etc.

And when used, the applications very much look like standard LS utilizations. Twisting heads off, impaling people with spikes that are thrown, etc.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I don't see why that matters. TK can be done via mathematics, spatial manipulation (The former two are a reference to Gojo who has LS via Blue which is the same deal), etc.

And when used, the applications very much look like standard LS utilizations. Twisting heads off, impaling people with spikes that are thrown, etc.
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Gojo's red and blue aren't TK.
 
Niko said:
Gojo's red and blue aren't TK.
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I didn't say Red. But Blue can be used as TK. He used it on the soda bottle he twisted, and used it to throw Sukuna through a window. Even regular blue isn't treated as being durability negation, it has a LS and AP value. And that's via creating negative space that fills itself up with space. So if something like that can be considered for LS, something as simple as TK via coding/data manip def can.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I didn't say Red. But Blue can be used as TK. He used it on the soda bottle he twisted, and used it to throw Sukuna through a window. Even regular blue isn't treated as being durability negation, it has a LS and AP value. And that's via creating negative space that fills itself up with space. So if something like that can be considered for LS, something as simple as TK via coding/data manip def can.
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It is not telekinesis, Blue manipulates space to create attraction, it's not mind-over-matter force.
 
Niko said:
It is not telekinesis, Blue manipulates space to create attraction, it's not mind-over-matter force.
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It can be used as TK as demonstrated here:
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It is an application of it, but you get the gist.

The point was that just because the ability is unorthodox doesn't mean it's not lifting strength. The exception is if it's explained in such a way that LS isn't playing any factor.
 
LaserPrecision said:
It can be used as TK as demonstrated here:
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It is an application of it, but you get the gist.

The point was that just because the ability is unorthodox doesn't mean it's not lifting strength. The exception is if it's explained in such a way that LS isn't playing any factor.
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If we're talking about it well, Blue is itself gravity manip and there no prove that Gojo should resist a blue attraction by himself btw, so no
 
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LaserPrecision said:
It can be used as TK as demonstrated here:
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It is an application of it, but you get the gist.

The point was that just because the ability is unorthodox doesn't mean it's not lifting strength. The exception is if it's explained in such a way that LS isn't playing any factor.
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Mb for disappearing, work and flu shi.

No it ain't, and what Soul said.

Anyway I looked it up a bit deeper about code-based telekinesis and it gets closer to Reality Hacking, I'ma have to end my debate for now because I'm not feeling well today. Nice debating with you 😎
 
Soul_Nitro_Deluxe said:
If we're talking about it well, Blue is itself gravity manip and there no prove that Gojo should resist a blue attraction by himself btw, so no
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Gravity manipulation is being removed. It's not gravity manip, it's mathematics and spatial manip.

And when did I say Gojo resists Blue? I just said it's treated as LS as it should be because of how it functions.
 
LaserPrecision said:
No, I'm referring to Blue. It's treated as Gravity manip rn, but that is being removed in an active CRT because it is inaccurate.
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I mean sure, but as long as it's still stays the same for now, I wouldn't take it as actual answer but only as pretext for a further revisions
 
Soul_Nitro_Deluxe said:
I mean sure, but as long as it's still stays the same for now, I wouldn't take it as actual answer but only as pretext for a further revisions
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We're discussing a general principle though, vs wiki profiles don't matter for that. The point was an ability not being physical doesn't make it exempt from being LS unless it's explicitly durability negating hax.
 
Kiryusolver9 said:
Dang neo metal is such pointless overkill and when did I ever bring up copying?
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Not you, but Laser and Soul took up like two pages arguing if Metal could safely copy the Solver without being hacked/possessed.

Something he DOESNT EVEN HAVE HERE BTW 😭😭😭
 
Probably would be a bit redundant at this point, but what stops Cyn from just near instantly hacking Metal Sonic like she did here. Metal Sonic doesn't have a resistance to hacking in this key (to my knowledge) and the Zeti were able to control Eggman's Badniks in a nearly identical way.
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Probably would be a bit redundant at this point, but what stops Cyn from just near instantly hacking Metal Sonic like she did here. Metal Sonic doesn't have a resistance to hacking in this key (to my knowledge) and the Zeti were able to control Eggman's Badniks in a nearly identical way.
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He apparently has layered anti-hacking tech thanks to Eggman

Also this thread has LONG been over pal you’re a little late 😭
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Probably would be a bit redundant at this point, but what stops Cyn from just near instantly hacking Metal Sonic like she did here. Metal Sonic doesn't have a resistance to hacking in this key (to my knowledge) and the Zeti were able to control Eggman's Badniks in a nearly identical way.
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The Deadly Six don't hack, they use Technology Manipulation va EM Waves.
 
ARandomDude127 said:
Not you, but Laser and Soul took up like two pages arguing if Metal could safely copy the Solver without being hacked/possessed.

Something he DOESNT EVEN HAVE HERE BTW 😭😭😭
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This isn't about Metal copying the Solver though (copying the Solver would just give him Cyn's hacking resistance anyways), this is just Cyn waving her hand and hacking him as an opening move, like she could do with any other drone. Is there a summary I could read?
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Probably would be a bit redundant at this point, but what stops Cyn from just near instantly hacking Metal Sonic like she did here. Metal Sonic doesn't have a resistance to hacking in this key (to my knowledge) and the Zeti were able to control Eggman's Badniks in a nearly identical way.
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Cyn doesn't have the capabilities to hack something as complex as metal sonic
 
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