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Viltrumite Ben 10 vs Mark

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Ben Tennyson

Vs

Mark Grayson

Ben is in his Omniverse Key.
Mark is in his Post Resurrections key.

Battle takes place in New York City

Ben starts off in a Viltrumite form as he’s managed to scan Mark, and won’t swap out of it either.

Who wins?

Ben:

Mark:
 
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Ben massively stomps.
Since this is OV Ben, he'll turn into the most powerful version of a Viltrumite, as shown when Four Arms was able to overpower Looma and three shot her, and Looma was capable of defeating her entire race in a 1 va everybody, being the strongest Tetramand of all.

Ben would be stronger than even his 500 years time skip version.
 
The goat is too much for this VS
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heard rumors Shion sees reboot Ben in his nightmares 😈
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Why would this be Fun and Games? It’s a valid match up,

Changing Marks key to EOS.
 
Cuz the Viltrumate form is non canon for Ben probably that's why, not sure if it applies to profiles
It’s an accessible form he’s able to get prior to the fight, though? If it’s in reason. Does it not fall under his power copying ability?
 
It’s an accessible form he’s able to get prior to the fight, though? If it’s in reason. Does it not fall under his power copying ability?
Ye it falls under Power Mimicry, however this is more than a regular power mimicry it is a new form that Ben doesn't have non canon form vs aren't accepted for the profiles as far as i know it might be wrong but dunno where to check it, the vs can continue but i doubt if it can go to profiles
 
Imma play devil's advocate here cause i’m bored : P

The whole "Omnitrix transforms the user into a peak version of X species" thing can be chalked up to a misconception since it’s never actually stated in canon asfaik (it comes from WoG iirc, but WoG isn’t at all usable per the Verse’s discussion rules), and even though it's indirectly implied somewhat from time to time, it's also contradicted as well, for example, Graymatter not being as smart as Azmuth despite Graymatter supposedly being the peak Galvin

Since i know someone will bring this up, Bullfrag isn't really good evidence for this concept since it’s implied that the other Incurseans are just malnourished and abused under the the rule of emperor Milleous, proof of this can be found in the fact that the Incursean warrior who stole Ascalon had arguably a better build than Bullfrag back before Milleous sat on the throne, the only thing we can say for certain is that the omnitrix transforms the user into a fit and healthy specimen of the selected species, anything more than this is just a headcanon, so really, Ben would be a low tier Viltriumite at best

There's also the possibility that Ben couldn't even scan a Viltrumite to begin with since Viltrumites are biologically almost identical to humans, so the omnitrix might not recognize them as a distinct alien species and by result, be unable to scan Mark, similar to the case with mutants, but since OP specified that Ben gets Viltrumite transformation regardless, I'll omit this detail from the discussion

And finally, there's the debate around battle IQ, even though i disagree that Ben would somehow be more experienced with a transformation he'd never used before, i won’t really debate against this, what i want to mention though is that you guys haven’t factored in that Ben would have no idea about Viltrumite techniques like the ear clap thing that Mark does (which is shown to be powerful enough to instantly knock out equal or weaker level Viltrumites and to stun more powerful Viltrumites) or the slice thing that almost every Viltrumite uses (which is shown multiple times to usually cut straight through the opponent), both of which would give Mark a MASSIVE advantage even if Ben had better BIQ
 
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The whole "Omnitrix transforms the user into a peak version of X species" thing can be chalked up to a misconception since it’s never actually stated in canon asfaik
it's not accepted cause it's stated by wog, it's accepted cause it's shown.
Chicken Hawk >> His species

Four arms = Looma


There's also the possibility that Ben couldn't even scan a Viltrumite to begin with since Viltrumites are biologically almost identical to humans,
just press Scan button.
 
Chicken Hawk >> His species
Hasty generalization, we don't know if it's just Liam or the species as a whole
Four arms = Looma
Four arms was lwk getting his ass whopped until he used a massive piler as a weapon to knock Looma out (even Rook mentioned that he "couldn't take much more of this"), so it doesn't really put him on par with her, it's like if i knocked out a stronger opponent with a baseball bat, it shouldn't put me on par with them
just press Scan button.
Again, if my theory is correct (🤓), that wouldn't work. The Omnitrix would give a message along the lines off "Scan failed, alien DNA sample already in databases," since it wouldn't be able to distinguish Mark from a homo sapien

Also, your forget to address the rest of my points
 
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Hasty generalization, we don't know if it's just Liam or the species as a whole

I mean Ben just scales to CN city.


for destroying the city where all the Cartoon in cartoons in Network existence lives. So yeah.


Also, your forget to address the rest of my points
ughhhh I'm not arguing with you why would I address those points, I wanted to give you reasons why it's accepted on the wiki.
 
I mean Ben just scales to CN city.

for destroying the city where all the Cartoon in cartoons in Network existence lives. So yeah.

The best i can do is city level, take it or leave it😁

/s the debate is about Mark VS Viltrumite Ben, so i don't think this would applicable
ughhhh I'm not arguing with you why would I address those points, I wanted to give you reasons why it's accepted on the wiki.
Didn't know this was officially accepted tbh, I'll probably make a CRT about it sometime in the future
 

The best i can do is city level, take it or leave it😁

Sure ... when you need an entire remote to blow it up.
 
Imma play devil's advocate here cause i’m bored : P

The whole "Omnitrix transforms the user into a peak version of X species" thing can be chalked up to a misconception since it’s never actually stated in canon asfaik (it comes from WoG iirc, but WoG isn’t at all usable per the Verse’s discussion rules), and even though it's indirectly implied somewhat from time to time, it's also contradicted as well, for example, Graymatter not being as smart as Azmuth despite Graymatter supposedly being the peak Galvin
Azmuth's a whole different case. He's even smarter than an Ultimate Galvan, which already implies he's beyond what the race can even evolve to.
Since i know someone will bring this up, Bullfrag isn't really good evidence for this concept since it’s implied that the other Incurseans are just malnourished and abused under the the rule of emperor Milleous, proof of this can be found in the fact that the Incursean warrior who stole Ascalon had arguably a better build than Bullfrag back before Milleous sat on the throne, the only thing we can say for certain is that the omnitrix transforms the user into a fit and healthy specimen of the selected species, anything more than this is just a headcanon, so really, Ben would be a low tier Viltriumite at best
Eh? Four Arms beat the crap out of Looma with 3 attacks, and Loma was more powerful than ger entire race in 1 one versus every other members of the species at the same time.
Whampire also defeated Lord Transyl in a matter of seconds, who's was the most powerful and royal leader of the entire Vladat race.
Buzzshock overpowered a forcefield that the entire population of Megawatts couldn't breach by themselves, and a big etc.
He'll, even by OV, Ben upscaled some of his original ultimate forms from how powerful he now is with the new Omnitrix.

Ben's the strongest member of each race, that's it.
There's also the possibility that Ben couldn't even scan a Viltrumite to begin with since Viltrumites are biologically almost identical to humans, so the omnitrix might not recognize them as a distinct alien species and by result, be unable to scan Mark, similar to the case with mutants, but since OP specified that Ben gets Viltrumite transformation regardless, I'll omit this detail from the discussion
Excuse me? The Omnitrix has detected the variability between two Gourmands just because they LOOK different, but are genetically speaking the exact same race. The Omnitrix is detecting it, that's out of discussion.
And finally, there's the debate around battle IQ, even though i disagree that Ben would somehow be more experienced with a transformation he'd never used before, i won’t really debate against this, what i want to mention though is that you guys haven’t factored in that Ben would have no idea about Viltrumite techniques like the ear clap thing that Mark does (which is shown to be powerful enough to instantly knock out equal or weaker level Viltrumites and to stun more powerful Viltrumites) or the slice thing that almost every Viltrumite uses (which is shown multiple times to usually cut straight through the opponent), both of which would give Mark a MASSIVE advantage even if Ben had better BIQ
Sure, Ben will not know all those techniques just by turning into him, but he has his own tricks based on his bigger and wider experience as a superhero, and he's been shien replicating the techniques of different species that he never saw before or didn't even know his aliens could do.

Didn't know this was officially accepted tbh, I'll probably make a CRT about it sometime in the future
With what purpose, exactly? Everything in the verse is Ben scaling to it directly, not from "As the best member of the race, he should be able to do this". Actually, most of other samples scale from Ben.
 
Azmuth's a whole different case. He's even smarter than an Ultimate Galvan, which already implies he's beyond what the race can even evolve to.
Well yes, but actually no, we don’t know how the Ultimatrix works (Unless you want to appeal to WoG, but that would only do more harm than good since according to Dwayne, an evolved alien is just a simulation of if you placed a normal alien in the harshest environment possible and left it to evolve for a million years, meaning it would almost always only evolve physically to survive in these environments), so there’s no reason to say that an evolved Galvan would be incomparably above a normal Galvan in terms of intelligence (no, Albedo’s self-ego stroking does not count as evidence)

Besides, even with that aside, base Albedo seems to be much more intelligent than Graymatter; outside from the fact he overwhelmingly has MUCH better IQ feats, there’s also the fact that despite being genetically linked to Ben and all his other transformations, Albedo’s Galvan transformation turns him into his original Galvan body instead of Graymatter, and his intelligence does not visibly increase while transformed as a Galvan, implying the Omnitrix actively recognizes that his current intelligence as already superior
Eh? Four Arms beat the crap out of Looma with 3 attacks, and Loma was more powerful than ger entire race in 1 one versus every other members of the species at the same time.
Already addressed this in another comment comment
Fourarms was lwk getting his ass whopped until he used a massive piler as a weapon to knock Looma out (even Rook mentioned that Fourarms "couldn't take much more of this"), so it doesn't really put him on par with her, it's like if i knocked out a stronger opponent with a baseball bat, it shouldn't put me on par with them
Also, when did Looma solo her entire race? I don't remember that at all...
Whampire also defeated Lord Transyl in a matter of seconds, who's was the most powerful and royal leader of the entire Vladat race.
When was Lord Transyl stated to be the most powerful Vladat? Just because your the leader of race doesn’t inherently mean you’re the peak of the race
Buzzshock overpowered a forcefield that the entire population of Megawatts couldn't breach by themselves, and a big etc.
I'm not actually sure what particular instance you're referring to, could you give the show + episode and season number?
Excuse me? The Omnitrix has detected the variability between two Gourmands just because they LOOK different, but are genetically speaking the exact same race. The Omnitrix is detecting it, that's out of discussion.
What says they're genetically the exact same? The Purk and Murk are a completely different subspecies of Gourmand, saying they're genetically identical is like saying we're identical to Nethirthals, it just isn't true, Viltrumites on the other hand seem to have nothing distinguishable from humans aside from the fact they're implied to lack/don’t benefit off adrenaline, even they’re powers isn’t really a genetic thing since it comes from their atoms rather than DNA
Sure, Ben will not know all those techniques just by turning into him, but he has his own tricks based on his bigger and wider experience as a superhero, and he's been shien replicating the techniques of different species that he never saw before or didn't even know his aliens could do.
Diamondhead was overpowered by Tetrax in OS despite Diamondhead canonically being stronger and Clockwork was overpowered by Maltruant in OV despite being upgraded, Ben is very prone to being beaten in same species battles even while having big advantages due to skill gaps (Well, outside of the Dyawn Mcduffie era since the recalibrated Omnitrix and Ultimatrix seemed to give him instant knowledge on the species he transformed into)

Also, something like Mark's ear clap technique would end the fight instantly if Mark landed a clean hit with it, giving Ben no time to adapt
With what purpose, exactly? Everything in the verse is Ben scaling to it directly, not from "As the best member of the race, he should be able to do this". Actually, most of other samples scale from Ben.
There's no intention with downgrading the Verse with the potential CRT, it be just to remove this outdated information, i do think a lot of Verse needs a downgrade though, specifically with the Tier 3-4 stuff, but that would be a discussion for another time
 
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There is literally no evidence that Albedo is more smarter than Ben prime's grey Matter, so quit lying
 
There is literally no evidence that Albedo is more smarter than Ben prime's grey Matter, so quit lying
outside from the fact he overwhelmingly has MUCH better IQ feats, there’s also the fact that despite being genetically linked to Ben and all his other transformations, Albedo’s Galvan transformation turns him into his original Galvan body instead of Graymatter, and his intelligence does not visibly increase while transformed as a Galvan, implying the Omnitrix actively recognizes that his current intelligence as already superior
 
Well yes, but actually no, we don’t know how the Ultimatrix works (Unless you want to appeal to WoG, but that would only do more harm than good since according to Dwayne, an evolved alien is just a simulation of if you placed a normal alien in the harshest environment possible and left it to evolve for a million years, meaning it would almost always only evolve physically to survive in these environments), so there’s no reason to say that an evolved Galvan would be incomparably above a normal Galvan in terms of intelligence (no, Albedo’s self-ego stroking does not count as evidence)

Besides, even with that aside, base Albedo seems to be much more intelligent than Graymatter; outside from the fact he overwhelmingly has MUCH better IQ feats, there’s also the fact that despite being genetically linked to Ben and all his other transformations, Albedo’s Galvan transformation turns him into his original Galvan body instead of Graymatter, and his intelligence does not visibly increase while transformed as a Galvan, implying the Omnitrix actively recognizes that his current intelligence os already superior
Dr Phychobos was stated to be the second smartest being in the universe besides Azmuth, which makes him superior to Albedo. And Grey Matter no sold him IQ wise.
Already addressed this in another comment comment
In a horrible way.
Ben overpowered her when they first clashed and then broke her armor with a kick, he was losing because of the skill gap.
Also, when did Looma solo her entire race? I don't remember that at all...

When was Lord Transyl stated to be the most powerful Vladat? Just because your the leader of race doesn’t inherently mean you’re the peak of the race
Zs'Skayr specifically wanted his DNA to return the entire race, meaning that it's at least better than the average sample.
I'm not actually sure what particular instance you're referring to, could you give the show + episode and season number?
Max's Monster, S4E1
What says they're genetically the exact same? The Purk and Murk are a completely different subspecies of Gourmand, saying they're genetically identical is like saying we're identical to Nethirthals, it just isn't true, Viltrumites on the other hand seem to have nothing distinguishable from humans aside from the fact they're implied to lack/don’t benefit off adrenaline, even they’re powers isn’t really a genetic thing since it comes from their atoms rather than DNA
Their atoms are the same as their biology, they are part of them.
Diamondhead was overpowered by Tetrax in OS despite Diamondhead .canonically being stronger
Not in OS
and Clockwork was overpowered by Maltruant in OV despite being upgraded, Ben is very prone to being beaten in same species battles even while having big advantages due to skill gaps (Well, outside of the Dyawn Mcduffie era since the recalibrated Omnitrix and Ultimatrix seemed to give him instant knowledge on the species he Transformed into)
So did the OV watch, as show with Whampire, Kickin Hawk, Atomix, Gutrot, etc
Also, something like Mark's ear clap technique would end the fight instantly if Mark landed a clean hit with it, giving Ben no time to adapt

There's no intention with downgrading the Verse with the potential CRT, it be just to remove this outdated information, i do think a lot of Verse needs a downgrade though, specifically with the Tier 3-4 stuff, but that would be a discussion for another time
Another instance if someone who doesn't get the verse trying to argue some shit lmao
 
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