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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

57Dev said:
Oh I see that's the argument. I though you were scaling Gojo and Sukuna to his output.
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Oh no no, the current argument is that Dabura's regular stats should be ~ Gojo and Sukuna, Dabura's durability allows him to withstand accelerations at near light-speed up to even over 90% SoL during the acceleration alongside his body (not his leg since his leg was going faster/light-speed so it got vaporized) going from those speeds to basically 0 after the kick which is island level KE, so they should all 3 scale to that.

The light-speed kick would just be a far higher in Dabura's profile like "6-C, far higher with Light-Speed Kick / Acceleration"
 
ZERO7772 said:
Nothing suggest Dabura didn't know Domain before. Reversal is extension of RCT and we never actually saw what his CTR does.

We never saw what his domain does either now I think about it. Thank you Gege, you are one of the writers of all time !
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Pretty sure he figured out how a barrier works and then makes it back from there.
 
No one should scale to KE that never even hit anyone either. Dabura should just be tier 7 or whatever scaling from Sukuna and Gojo and then up to tier 6 with Light.
 
Zabazab said:
No one should scale to KE that never even hit anyone either. Dabura should just be tier 7 or whatever scaling from Sukuna and Gojo and then up to tier 6 with Light.
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Missing the point that JJK strictly notes that the characters do withstand the kinetic energy of their own movement with Naoya. Why do you even think Dabura "can't withstand the acceleration of light" if he just goes through anything in the verse even at lower speeds? What do you think thats implying (Hint: Its hinting that he CAN withstand accelerations below light-speed)

And even if they didn't you have the fact that Dabura's body went from going at those >0.9c speeds to LITERALLY STOPPING AND BEING THROWN BACK after the kick or did you miss that part?
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If dabura didnt scale to the KE of his own movement he would have literally exploded here since his speed went from 0.9c at that energy to 0 and got pushed back by an even stronger energy.
 
Rodriiogo said:
characters do withstand the kinetic energy of their own movement
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Not the full KE, obviously. There's a clear difference between friction with the air and crashing directly into the ground or something.

Rodriiogo said:
from going at those >0.9c speeds to LITERALLY STOPPING AND BEING THROWN BACK after the kick
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His leg was turned into a burnt twig by the kick. And I thought you weren't scaling his physicals to it.

Sus said:
JJK has the most clear cut example of applicable KE
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When they hit something yes just running around isn't anything other than a speed feat. If Dabura crashed into something with a tackle at that speed without flying through it and without injury, it'd be a durability feat then.
 
Ozcantabak said:
If his body can withstand 0.9c why would he ever move at speeds bellow that tho?
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Its a literal technique allows him to accelerate to those speeds bro what?
"Yoo why doesn't naoya just go at his transonic speeds everytime"
Even if he could, he wouldnt use it again cause it was useless at that point, Mahoraga had adapted to his brute foce.

Zabazab said:
Not the full KE, obviously. There's a clear difference between friction with the air and crashing directly into the ground or something.
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No there isn't. It's why Naoya's binding vow that allows him to withstand the frictions allows him to crash into Maki and deal damage without exploding himself (Crashing into something that is as durable enough for him to not go through).

Zabazab said:
His leg was turned into a burnt twig by the kick. And I thought you weren't scaling his physicals to it.
When they hit something yes just running around isn't anything other than a speed feat. If Dabura crashed into something with a tackle at that speed without flying through it and without injury, it'd be a durability feat then.
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Did you even read what I said or are you trolling me here? Dabura did not withstand the full force of the kick (search what ISL is), however, the force of the kick's explosion that did "hit him" pushed him back despite his body still moving at those speeds. For that to be the case the energy that he withstood, despite not being the full energy of the kick would scale to his own KE.

Do you even understand why you need to "hit something" for it to be counted? If you did you would know that going from those speeds to zero is ALSO COUNTED as a way of scaling to the KE since it means your body either deaccelerated with the same energy backwards or got hit with an energy of the same level or greater than your own KE. Dabura got this.
 
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Zabazab said:
Not the full KE, obviously. There's a clear difference between friction with the air and crashing directly into the ground or something.


His leg was turned into a burnt twig by the kick. And I thought you weren't scaling his physicals to it.


When they hit something yes just running around isn't anything other than a speed feat. If Dabura crashed into something with a tackle at that speed without flying through it and without injury, it'd be a durability feat then.
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If he moves at near lightspeed the KE of air crashing on you would be like 1 kg per meter of body surface area
 
Also thanks Naoyas bum ass soft AP capping everyone to his poop tier kinetic energy, it legit doesn’t go past 9-A.
 
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Qait, when was it determined or otherwise agreed upon that Dabura reached at least 90% the speed of light?
wuh happen
 
Reyne said:
Qait, when was it determined or otherwise agreed upon that Dabura reached at least 90% the speed of light?
wuh happen
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Here you go:
We are first established that, despite Dabura having his lightspeed technique, he could never reach light-speed because his body can't handle full on light-speed. Dabura, in this case is ready to fully achieve warriorhood, so he decides to shatter his own body's limits (light-speed) just to beat Mahoraga.

He starts at near light-speed immediatly, right after INITIATING his "dance". However instead of stopping there as he normally would (as he could never reach light-speed), since Dabura is intending to break his limits, he continues to accelerate "more..!! more..!!" to reach the light (NOTE: he was already moving at high relativistic speeds here as seen by the effects and how he is running right alongside the light, you can see the effects were already high relativistic speed effects of over 0.9c).

As he jumps, he approaches the speed of light (as in the context that he's just about to reach it) and we even get the parallel of "reaching the warriors" as he's about to reach speed of light with the previous dialogue of "reach the light" he did. He knows his body will give in cause he can't handle light-speed but he doesn't care he will reach the light, reaching the warriors. And we even get the representation of him fully reaching as he kicks Mahoraga at the exact same time his own light breaks the glass, as he just "shattered his own body's limits".

So if we consider that, that would mean that Dabura had to first run through all the speeds below light while building up speed, including 0.93 c (which would be the KE limit) before finally reaching light speed with the kick.
 
ZERO7772 said:
Why can't the staff make a Dabura profile and debate whatever Sukuna and Gojo to him later?
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?!?
Let's disregard some technicalities(best sandbox for Dabura profile is currently being done by staff member) for now.
It's not staff responsibility to create profiles for the verse. It's something supporters should do. And supporters decided that it was better to first prove scaling of Sukuna/Gojo to Dabura instead of officially creating his profile in the first place. I would personally would made KE and durability scaling accepted first and then go for scaling of others in another CRT.
(Clever meta-commentary. Most people inverse viewed Dabura as just a weapon, their own or enemy's. Same way he is viewed here by many as just a tool for getting higher numbers for their favs).
 
ZERO7772 said:
Does Dabura still not have a profile? I left this place months ago and you people still at the same exact point.

Holy shit.
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I've had his profile basically ready barring a few changes (like listing his notable attacks). What I've been waiting for has literally just been for people to make a consensus on the whole Large Mountain stuff and how that scales
 
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