IMITATION OF A SOUL; Metal Sonic vs Cyn (STH vs MD) [0-8-0]

[Moon_Crasher]

Cyn doesn't have the capabilities to hack something as complex as metal sonic

There's no real reason to believe that. The murder drones that Cyn can control are arguably way more complex than base Metal Sonic, and even a regular worker drone's code is so complex that they could gain the solver just like Cyn could. Cyn doesn't really have to be "capable" of doing anything, she just raises her hand. Being "complex" is not enough evidence on its own to grant a hacking resistance. Unless Metal being "complex" is shown to be a reason why he can't be hacked? Also correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Zavok still able to control Metal with his EM waves, despite how much more complex he is than a regular Badnik? So, I don't think being "complex" would justify making Metal Sonic above being hacked or grant him any other resistances (on its own).

This is all irrelevant since Metal DOES have hacking resistance, his profile is just outdated.

 

[ARandomDude127]

There's no real reason to believe that. The murder drones that Cyn can control are arguably way more complex than base Metal Sonic, and even a regular worker drone's code is so complex that they could gain the solver just like Cyn could. Cyn doesn't really have to be "capable" of doing anything, she just raises her hand. Being "complex" is not enough evidence on its own to grant a hacking resistance. Unless Metal being "complex" is shown to be a reason why he can't be hacked? Also correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Zavok still able to control Metal with his EM waves, despite how much more complex he is than a regular Badnik? So, I don't think being "complex" would justify making Metal Sonic above being hacked or grant him any other resistances (on its own).

This is all irrelevant since Metal DOES have hacking resistance, his profile is just outdated.

And this is also irrelevant because the match is already finished

 

[Lynieryz]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Metal_Sonic_(Game)#Adventure_Era_%E2%96%BE

All previous Base abilities plus:

Doesn't Base Adventure Metal Sonic have all the abilities of Classic Metal Sonic?

I don't know if it's a mistake, but Metal Sonic's Base Adventure key literally states that he has the Classic key abilities.

This needs to be addressed because if it's correct, the battle will be invalidated for ignoring the abilities.

 

[LaserPrecision]

wasn't Zavok still able to control Metal with his EM waves, despite how much more complex he is than a regular Badnik? So, I don't think being "complex" would justify making Metal Sonic above being hacked or grant him any other resistances (on its own).

EM waves aren't hacking. They are technology manipulation. That said, Eggman after the Deadly Six incident he has built robots to be immune to the Deadly Six's EM Waves:

 

[Moon_Crasher]

EM waves aren't hacking. They are technology manipulation. That said, Eggman after the Deadly Six incident he has built robots to be immune to the Deadly Six's EM Waves:

Well, there we go. Though, my point was Metal wouldn't have any sort of immunity just by being complex. (Would Metal have this immunity too? The panel said this robot was "EM-SHEILDED" for a specific reason.)

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well, there we go. Though, my point was Metal wouldn't have any sort of immunity just by being complex. (Would Metal have this immunity too? The panel said this robot was "EM-SHEILDED" for a specific reason.)

The Metal Sonic used in this match up? No. Modern Metal? Prolly. Or at worst Eggman could easily make that change. Most of his bots can be around core manufacturing, let alone his "greatest creation."

 

[Kiryusolver9]

There's no real reason to believe that. The murder drones that Cyn can control are arguably way more complex than base Metal Sonic, and even a regular worker drone's code is so complex that they could gain the solver just like Cyn could. Cyn doesn't really have to be "capable" of doing anything, she just raises her hand. Being "complex" is not enough evidence on its own to grant a hacking resistance. Unless Metal being "complex" is shown to be a reason why he can't be hacked? Also correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Zavok still able to control Metal with his EM waves, despite how much more complex he is than a regular Badnik? So, I don't think being "complex" would justify making Metal Sonic above being hacked or grant him any other resistances (on its own).

This is all irrelevant since Metal DOES have hacking resistance, his profile is just outdated.

You do realize he'd have to be vastly more complex beyond anything cyn has ever seen for 80% of what he does

 

[Moon_Crasher]

You do realize he'd have to be vastly more complex beyond anything cyn has ever seen for 80% of what he does

None of what you just said would justify a hacking resistance. Him being "complex" isn't actually worth something. The way Cyn takes control of robots is just by waving her hand around, it's not some overly complex process where she has to manually go through and analyze his code.

I don't see Metal Sonic going around casually turning his hands into virtually anything or grow and shrink a pair of wings like a Murder Drone can.

Metal Sonic (in this key) doesn't have have High-Mid regen like a Murder Drone.

Even a regular Worker Drone has the chance to just casually revive itself, which is something Metal needed outside help for.

Just look at the Drone Physiology page and it's pretty clear that (Base) Metal can't even do like half of this stuff on his own.

Besides his resistances (which outside of resisting time manipulation, aren't very useful in this fight), Toon force, Spaceflight, and Power Mimicry, most of Metal's abilities aren't gonna be anything that Cyn hasn't already seen/used/made in some shape or form.

Metal Sonic can't casually shoot five bullseyes in a row without even trying, Metal Sonic can't catch a bullet with just the tips of his claws without even looking directly at it, N without any of his memories at all, can barely land a landing pod upright when it was crashing headfirst towards to ground.

Groups of regular Worker Drones can rework old machinery on a destroyed planet to make children.

So no, I don't think Metal is too "complex" for Cyn (not that being complex on its own, unless shown or stated, would grant him immunity to any form of hax).

 

[Kiryusolver9]

None of what you just said would justify a hacking resistance. Him being "complex" isn't actually worth something. The way Cyn takes control of robots is just by waving her hand around, it's not some overly complex process where she has to manually go through and analyze his code.

I don't see Metal Sonic going around casually turning his hands into virtually anything or grow and shrink a pair of wings like a Murder Drone can.

Metal Sonic (in this key) doesn't have have High-Mid regen like a Murder Drone.

Even a regular Worker Drone has the chance to just casually revive itself, which is something Metal needed outside help for.

Just look at the Drone Physiology page and it's pretty clear that (Base) Metal can't even do like half of this stuff on his own.

Besides his resistances (which outside of resisting time manipulation, aren't very useful in this fight), Toon force, Spaceflight, and Power Mimicry, most of Metal's abilities aren't gonna be anything that Cyn hasn't already seen/used/made in some shape or form.

Metal Sonic can't casually shoot five bullseyes in a row without even trying, Metal Sonic can't catch a bullet with just the tips of his claws without even looking directly at it, N without any of his memories at all, can barely land a landing pod upright when it was crashing headfirst towards to ground.

Groups of regular Worker Drones can rework old machinery on a destroyed planet to make children.

So no, I don't think Metal is too "complex" for Cyn (not that being complex on its own, unless shown or stated, would grant him immunity to any form of hax).

You're forgetting how cyn's hack8ng works assimilation which is a complex proses requiring analysis of metals code

 

[Moon_Crasher]

You're forgetting how cyn's hack8ng works assimilation which is a complex proses requiring analysis of metals code

That's just not even what she did here.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

You're forgetting how cyn's hack8ng works assimilation which is a complex proses requiring analysis of metals code

You're talking about callback ping, that's only for other actual Solver users (N and V who only have a nerfed Solver, didn't get affected by it).

 

[Moon_Crasher]

You're talking about callback ping, that's only for other actual Solver users (N and V who only have a nerfed Solver, didn't get affected by it).

This is what N looks like when Cyn controls him and also what it looks like when Cyn's control is blocked also.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Point being, Cyn has at least three different ways to control drones, and they all function and are initiated in their own ways.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Point being, Cyn has at least three different ways to control drones, and they all function and are initiated in their own ways.

Look fellas, I appreciate a good debate and all but for the love of everything that’s holy, can yall PLEASE take this somewhere else? The match is finished already, and this needed to be closed awhile ago and I don’t know WHY it wasn’t.

If you want me to make a round 2, or hell if YOU guys wanna make a round 2, feel free to do so! Just PLEASE take it out of this thread.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Closing it.