NON TOURNAMENT MATCH: MONSTER KING OROCHI OPM vs Halibel Re:Zero

[DemonicDude]

Vs

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From the shadows, something vast begins to emerge. The ground fractures, heat rippling through the air as a monstrous presence takes form.

Orochi, the Monster King.

A being of overwhelming power and evolution, his body twisting and reshaping as if perfection is something he can achieve at any moment. His gaze burns with intelligence and hunger—this is not a mindless beast, but a ruler of monsters… one who stands at the peak of brutality.

The arena barely contains him.

Then—

A quiet step.

No explosion. A calm walk

Halibel.

He walks forward calmly, as if the suffocating pressure means nothing. No fear, no hesitation—only a steady, measured pace. He knew he was in one heck of a battle in round 1 and now in round 2 things get tougher again.

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• Main Tournament Thread
• Keys: As agreed against tier setter in main thread
• Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
• Distance: 50 meters apart from each other
• Win:
  • Win via killing
  • or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament. (No BFR allowed)
• Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody
• Time Limit: 25-minute time limit
• Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed
• Location: Arena Dome

(Location picture below Outside and Inside)

Arena description:

• A giant dome 500 meters wide and 800 meters tall.
• Colossal enclosed arena where the central battle platform stretches a full 500 meters across, comparable to a supersized football pitch but engineered for extreme-scale combat. The surface is a circular expanse of reinforced metal of near unbreakable material and composite plating, etched with concentric rings that help gauge distance and positioning during fights. At that scale, fighters can engage in high-speed movement, long-range attacks, and large-area abilities without immediately reaching the boundaries. At the exact center lies a small circular opening, deceptively modest compared to the arena’s size. This aperture drops straight down into a vast vertical shaft filled with water that extends three hundreds of meters below the surface.

Votes:

• Monster King Orochi: 1 (Kacchon but admin @Phoenks disagree here)
• Halibel: 4 (CastoriceTheFifth, VortechsTG, Dark_Soul20189, Voidnether)
• Incon:

 

[DontTalkDT]

Guess this is a question of first hit?
Orochi could maybe win by just doing some massive AoE attack, I guess?

 

[DemonicDude]

Guess this is a question of first hit?
Orochi could maybe win by just doing some massive AoE attack, I guess?

Yeah, but the question is has he ever done that canon story, is there a scan evidence for it. gonna have to wait for both parties.

 

[Kachon123]

Orochi nukes the arena frame one, taking Halibel out in the process

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Supporting OPM can truly never go wrong, it has evidence for everything

 

[VortechsTG]

So to be clear, Halibel is not allowed to leave the dome and attack Orochi from the outside, right?

 

[DemonicDude]

So to be clear, Halibel is not allowed to leave the dome and attack Orochi from the outside, right?

yeah

 

[VortechsTG]

Orochi nukes the arena frame one, taking Halibel out in the process

Ok, well this isn't exactly nuking the whole area. There's nothing stopping Halibel here from just flying up away or teleporting away with substitution Jutsu. But I assume Orochi can create far greater aoe attacks than this. Conceivably, I imagine he could fill the whole arena. But then my concern becomes why he would. Halibel would start with his layered stealth. How exactly does Orochi handle this? How would he even know when Halibel has entered the arena? When all it takes is a single tag from Halibel, one of his clones, or his kunai to kill Orochi with death hax not a single instant of hesitation in nuking the entire arena will be permitted.

 

[Kachon123]

But then my concern becomes why he would.

It's his starting move when he's not explicitly trying to spare his opponent like against Garou.

Halibel would start with his layered stealth. How exactly does Orochi handle this? How would he even know when Halibel has entered the arena?

It's a large arena with an image of both himself and his opponent along the wall. The assumption is that both fighters are aware who they're battling and why. Halibel's stealth is something he needs to use, unless it's passive. If it's not, then Orochi would simply copy it by simply looking at his stance before it's activated.

When all it takes is a single tag from Halibel, one of his clones, or his kunai to kill Orochi with death hax not a single instant of hesitation in nuking the entire arena will be permitted.

Scan of how it works?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Halibel can just melt into the shadows or go underground to avoid the nuke

He could just travel from there to below him and its ggs, he could also throw a kunai to deadspot his nuke and then kill him directly.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Halibel can just melt into the shadows or go underground to avoid the nuke

He could just travel from there to below him and its ggs, he could also throw a kunai to deadspot his nuke and then kill him directly.

That's a great wincon for Orochi actually! Halibel sees him charging the nuke, goes underground, and gets turned into Kentucky Fried Wolf.

...where do you think the power comes from for that damn cannon?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

That's a great wincon for Orochi actually! Halibel sees him charging the nuke, goes underground, and gets turned into Kentucky Fried Wolf.

...where do you think the power comes from for that damn cannon?

oh right

well yeah its gonna have to be deadspot then

 

[Kachon123]

Scan of how it works?

 

[VortechsTG]

It's his starting move when he's not explicitly trying to spare his opponent like against Garou.

Based on what? Why did you use a scan of him holding back far more than the norm to prove this point? None of the other scans on his profile show greater aoe except for Gaia canon, which isn't usable here.

It's a large arena with an image of both himself and his opponent along the wall. The assumption is that both fighters are aware who they're battling and why. Halibel's stealth is something he needs to use, unless it's passive. If it's not, then Orochi would simply copy it by simply looking at his stance before it's activated.

It is passive, but the layer likely isn't.

Scan of how it works?

It causes instant death. There's also his paralysis inducement, which stops not just movement but the use of magic.

 

[VortechsTG]

Halibel can just melt into the shadows or go underground to avoid the nuke

He could just travel from there to below him and its ggs, he could also throw a kunai to deadspot his nuke and then kill him directly.

We literally just established he can't leave the arena.

 

[Kachon123]

Based on what? Why did you use a scan of him holding back far more than the norm to prove this point? None of the other scans on his profile show greater aoe except for Gaia canon, which isn't usable here.

The scan I sent was when he started using a bit more power. Initially against Garou he was using his horns to attack. Orochi is a giant fire beam spamming dragon monster. That's kind of his whole schtick.

It is passive, but the layer likely isn't.

Then I don't see why it would be very relevant here.

It causes instant death. There's also his paralysis inducement, which stops not just movement but the use of magic.

Any scans?

 

[DemonicDude]

Who is more skilled here ?
i have seen people i talk to in power scaling community in private say halibel can skill stomp orochi ?
also can any of these two characters absorb iron or metal?

This entire 800 metes tall structure is made of reinforced heavy duty metal layers.

People can probably pixel scale the size of LED display for combatants should be like100 meter led screen display from eye guestime.

 

[Kachon123]

i have seen people i talk to in power scaling community in private say halibel can skill stomp orochi ?

I mean, given the fact that Orochi can copy the skill level of any opponent he faces and AD/RE the techniques to superior versions as well as use them simultaneously on his hundreds of danmaku heads (each having 2+ arms that they can apply the technique to) and horns, I'd say that there isn't a high likelihood of him being skill stomped.

 

[VortechsTG]

The scan I sent was when he started using a bit more power. Initially against Garou he was using his horns to attack. Orochi is a giant fire beam spamming dragon monster. That's kind of his whole schtick.

Ok then why is there still no scan of this?

Then I don't see why it would be very relevant here.

What? Why on earth wouldn't it be?

Any scans?

Aside from what's on the profile, there would be this. In other words, the curses are placed on the soul.

 

[VortechsTG]

Who is more skilled here ?
i have seen people i talk to in power scaling community in private say halibel can skill stomp orochi ?

I don't see Orochi disregarding logic so Halibel should definitely be more skilled here. I wouldn't say it's a stomp in terms of skill though.

also can any of these two characters absorb iron or metal?

How is this any better than Halibel leaving the arena with his main body?

 

[Kachon123]

Ok then why is there still no scan of this?

There is lol

What? Why on earth wouldn't it be?

This was your claim:

Halibel would start with his layered stealth. How exactly does Orochi handle this? How would he even know when Halibel has entered the arena?

If he isn't passively layered, why would Orochi not be aware of his location to start with?

Aside from what's on the profile, there would be this. In other words, the curses are placed on the soul.

And why can't Orochi deflect the kunai with WSRSF?

 

[VortechsTG]

There is lol

This does not show the scale you are claiming it does. At least not without context.

This was your claim:

Yeah, you're right. I see where the confusion comes from. The claim is still true generally. Halibel would normally start with layered stealth mastery. But if he's just dropped into the arena without warning it wouldn't automatically be layered. Orochi doesn't resist it on his profile to begin with though lol.

And why can't Orochi deflect the kunai with WSRSF?

Is this not a physical technique? That would kill him.

 

[Kachon123]

This does not show the scale you are claiming it does. At least not without context.

Kilometers with Energy Attacks

Yeah, you're right. I see where the confusion comes from. The claim is still true generally. Halibel would normally start with layered stealth mastery. But if he's just dropped into the arena without warning it wouldn't automatically be layered. Orochi doesn't resist it on his profile to begin with though lol.

Resist what..? Stealth mastery? How does one resist stealth mastery?

Anyways, Orochi simply copies the technique.

Is this not a physical technique? That would kill him.

The attacks have to actually hit afaik. Something like this shouldn't activate the curse. And if it does, Orochi can survive death, and his special physiology would make it such that once he survives, his RE would grant him resistance to the curse.

 

[AthelChan]

holy matchup

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Supporting OPM can truly never go wrong, it has evidence for everything

Don't know how I feel about the latter

 

[VortechsTG]

Simply saying his range is kilometers does not suggest his aoe is kilometers. Especially when that range is not even backed up with a scan to begin with. Every image I see he is firing a beam. Nothing about this suggests the aoe to fill up the entire room completely.

Resist what..? Stealth mastery? How does one resist stealth mastery?

Maybe resist is the wrong way to put it but he needs to bypass it somehow. Some way or another. Otherwise he just won't be able to see Halibel.

The attacks have to actually hit afaik.

Yes? And they would. He's just deflecting them. They are still connecting.

Something like this shouldn't activate the curse. And if it does, Orochi can survive death, and his special physiology would make it such that once he survives, his RE would grant him resistance to the curse.

He can survive death of the soul? Why does he not have anything of the sort on his profile?

 

[DemonicDude]

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

He can survive death of the soul? Why does he not have anything of the sort on his profile?

Unless brother randomly got a new revision. In a previous match for like Deku Vs Orochi, a win con for broskie was one shotting Orochi with soul hax.

 

[DemonicDude]

He can survive death of the soul? Why does he not have anything of the sort on his profile?

how quickly does he uses the soul death hax ? is it his 2nd or third move in combat ?

 

[Kachon123]

Simply saying his range is kilometers does not suggest his aoe is kilometers. Especially when that range is not even backed up with a scan to begin with. Every image I see he is firing a beam. Nothing about this suggests the aoe to fill up the entire room completely.

Brother, the scan sent before showed its aoe. The are no explosions in the second link because Tatsumaki is using her telekinesis to destroy the beams, which is something Halibel does not have. These are examples of Orochi's beams exploding.

He can survive death of the soul? Why does he not have anything of the sort on his profile?

He scales superior to Psykos' resistance to the following

Mind Destruction, Mind Corruption, Soul Destruction, Soul Corruption & Absorption (Type 1)

Yes? And they would. He's just deflecting them. They are still connecting.

WSRSF can work on targets outside of the range of limbs. WCIF also works.

 

[DemonicDude]

Based on Kachon reasoning i'm leaning towards Monster King for now.

 

[VortechsTG]

how quickly does he uses the soul death hax ? is it his 2nd or third move in combat ?

It's his first move. He's a shonobi trained for nothing but killing and his specialty is death hax. Any physical contact or contact with his kunai will kill an opponent. That's why he says he only needs to land one hit to win.

 

[Kachon123]

I'll also be voting for Orochi by the way. Halibel has no answer to aoe or danmaku dura neg WCIF. Orochi's power mimicry and biological manipulation/reactive evolution also gives him answers to everything in Halibel's kit

 

[VortechsTG]

Brother, the scan sent before showed its aoe. The are no explosions in the second link because Tatsumaki is using her telekinesis to destroy the beams, which is something Halibel does not have. These are examples of Orochi's beams exploding.

Decided to check out the chapter since this seemed sketchy. It mentions the big green lights being Tataumaki's. The beams here just show impressive range rather than aoe, as I've been saying.

He scales superior to Psykos' resistance to the following

Does he? You should really get that on his profile.

In any case, Orochi does not have the aoe to fill the arena and for someone like Halibel who he can't detect and can freely fight mid-air and teleport all around the arena with substitution jutsu that is going to be a problem. And he can't use power mimicry without being able to see Halibel. From midair, Halibel would just have to avoid the stray beams being fired all around. Dealing with even targeted beam danmaku is something he has more than demonstrated being capable of avoiding even without any of his special techniques. He can just sit back and focus on evasion with his main body and use his secondary clones to attack. A single contact from any of them or their kunai would be instant death. That would happen very quickly.

I'm voting Halibel.

 

[DemonicDude]

Decided to check out the chapter since this seemed sketchy. It mentions the big green lights being Tataumaki's. The beams here just show impressive range rather than aoe, as I've been saying.

Does he? You should really get that on his profile.

In any case, Orochi does not have the aoe to fill the arena and for someone like Halibel who he can't detect and can freely fight mid-air and teleport all around the arena with substitution jutsu that is going to be a problem. And he can't use power mimicry without being able to see Halibel. From midair, Halibel would just have to avoid the stray beams being fired all around. Dealing with even targeted beam danmaku is something he has more than demonstrated being capable of avoiding even without any of his special techniques. He can just sit back and focus on evasion with his main body and use his secondary clones to attack. A single contact from any of them or their kunai would be instant death. That would happen very quickly.

Participant Kachon needsto reply to this first.

I'm voting Halibel.

first Kachon needs to respond to your comment,that's how debates work.

infact I've removed every vote from both sides. (I want MORE discussion)

If someone is explaining their character, and the opposition party does not believe or accept what they are saying then votes can not be randomly be counted.

First let him response, then your respond and then we'll see where this debate goes. basic A to B to C.

 

[VortechsTG]

My bad sorry I jumped the gun

 

[VortechsTG]

Let's say, theoretically, orochi can and does completely shroud himself with fire to prevent Halibel's clones from getting close, despite not seeing him or having any prior knowledge on him. Halibel's stealth and mobility will still buy him the time he needs to find the deadspot and power-null it away. Orochi is on a very tight time limit here and Halibel is very hard to hit.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Just a heads up that there is 1 vote for Orochi and 1 vote for Halibel. There was a literal discussion that occurred and each person gave their reasoning for why they voted. Doesn't matter if OP counts votes or not btw.

 

[DemonicDude]

There was a literal discussion that occurred and each person gave their reasoning for why they voted. Doesn't matter if OP counts votes or not btw.

HARD DISAGREE for both. Even more reason for me to remove votes for now:

people's opinion can change overtime this is why kachon reponding to this

Decided to check out the chapter since this seemed sketchy. It mentions the big green lights being Tataumaki's. The beams here just show impressive range rather than aoe, as I've been saying.

Does he? You should really get that on his profile.

In any case, Orochi does not have the aoe to fill the arena and for someone like Halibel who he can't detect and can freely fight mid-air and teleport all around the arena with substitution jutsu that is going to be a problem. And he can't use power mimicry without being able to see Halibel. From midair, Halibel would just have to avoid the stray beams being fired all around. Dealing with even targeted beam danmaku is something he has more than demonstrated being capable of avoiding even without any of his special techniques. He can just sit back and focus on evasion with his main body and use his secondary clones to attack. A single contact from any of them or their kunai would be instant death. That would happen very quickly.

I'm voting Halibel.

and this

Let's say, theoretically, orochi can and does completely shroud himself with fire to prevent Halibel's clones from getting close, despite not seeing him or having any prior knowledge on him. Halibel's stealth and mobility will still buy him the time he needs to find the deadspot and power-null it away. Orochi is on a very tight time limit here and Halibel is very hard to hit.

is necessary. Then we'lll see how debate shapes up.

voting and then contiuning to argue is illogical. First all arugments shall be

1. presented
2. replied
3. and fully debated and finished

once both parties admit they have nothing left, then i will count votes.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Good for you. Luckily the voting process isn't dependent on the OP so once either one of them hits 7 votes, grace counter will start no matter what even if you don't count them.