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Outlier or Baxter scales...choose
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Hellaverse Mega CRT (Concluded and Applied)
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DarkLock92
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Outlier, I guess
Anonymous_Learner
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IMO, absolutely nothing since, whenever he does stuff through straight technology, it seems to be the same speed as electricity........whatever VSBW decides that is.
Mythic381
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Don't really see why this should be considered. A lot of times people use examples from other verses to apply something. How is that invalid in any way?
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I think it would be possible to justify Mach 11 speeds for smaller discharges, similar to Andrew's Spider-Man feat.
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It's so funny that Adam is gonna be Supersonic+
DarkLock92
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Even funnier because it doesn't matter since 99% of matchups on this wiki have speed equalized
Eden_Warlock99
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I mean, electricity speed varies depending on lots of factors, so you could just give Vox "Up to MHS+" for his electricity or whatever
Mythic381
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To be completely fair, I do see it that even with these gun anti-feats, this in the future can be disregarded as an outlier anyways.
Anonymous_Learner
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honestly this makes the most sense so we don't got baxter>Alastor in speed
Saqphire
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Different verses, different contexts, two wrongs don't make a right and the argument doesn't actually attack the OP, it's just a tu quoque that doesn't add anything productive other than needless complaints like "This verse did it too so why can't we?!!". I genuinely don't care about other people using examples from other verses as their arguments are wrong too (plus that's just a popularity arg which adds nothing)
Eden_Warlock99
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Real ones know the play is to contact the Staff who argue for those verses and get them to oppose the anti-feats downgrade
Mythic381
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That's not really true for all examples of this. Besides, what Shion said was over exaggeration.
What are the "two wrongs" here exactly?
The point here is to attack gun feats being anti-feats for stuff like AP and Speed, which different verses notably don't have as anti-feats. This is a point in the OP.
I think it's actually valid in many situations depending on what exactly is the context. A lot of verses can share the same issue which causes them to have the same conclusion. As in the anti-feats being accepted or not.
You literally just said we should make a discussion rule to ban it.
In most cases that's not really true, and no one presented any argument yet for why that should be the case.
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There are instances where, even in different verses, similar arguments can be used, and if this type of argument is already accepted in other cases, it makes sense to use it as support, provided it is done coherently.
Randomuser3412
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VSBW can't decide on what speed electricity moves through the air. It's well known it moves through wires at Relativistic speeds
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Mythic381
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Randomuser3412
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Eden_Warlock99
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Randomuser3412
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Randomuser3412
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ANYWAY, I'll hold my tongue on the speed stuff until Shion (oops, typo for a second mb) has his word. The rest looks good 
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Agree with everything.
@Eden_Warlock99 blink twice if you are being held as hostage and this is someone else talking through your account...
True...
@Eden_Warlock99 blink twice if you are being held as hostage and this is someone else talking through your account...
Can I agree now and read later.
Just saying.
Well, I agree with this since at least the OP seems coherent, idk when or how this verse got to tier 5 considering the last memorable thing I know about it is an angel getting injured from falling rocks and rubble.
Tier 5 rocks guys.
Well I should shut up and not derail tho lol.
Just saying.
Well, I agree with this since at least the OP seems coherent, idk when or how this verse got to tier 5 considering the last memorable thing I know about it is an angel getting injured from falling rocks and rubble.
Well I should shut up and not derail tho lol.
Mythic381
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Is it crazy to hear that the angel you're referring to isn't even one of the people who got upgraded to tier 5? Only Lucifer and Adam currently scale to 5-B.
Upscaling angelic weapons to such tier based on the fact they're needed to harm angelic beings does imply characters like her should at least get a rudimentary scaling within said tier unless I missed something.
And the character who got harmed wasn't exactly millions of times weaker than the being who stabbed Adam, didn't exactly come off as being several orders of magnitudes weaker either.
Mythic381
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What exactly is the point you're trying to prove here? Angelic weapons can harm characters like Lucifer and Adam, killing the latter entirely.
...??? What are you even talking about
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That's below 9-A btw, eyeballingly around 9-C to MAYBE 9-B. So idk when or how this verse got to 9-A either.
I remember some plot point about the character who got harmed by falling rubble needing angelic weapons to be harmed, if angelic weapons and people holding them are to be at tier 5, so would the character who was harmed by falling rubble no?
For the latter, the character we're talking about isn't exactly be millions of times weaker than nifty, nor does it seem like the angelic weapons grant any kind of power boost for people holding them?
Granted these are conclusions formed with limited knowledge but if the premises of "angelic beings need angelic weapons to be harmed" and "Angelic weapons and their holders are tier 5" hold, angelic beings and characters with similar characteristics should logically speaking be scaled to the same tier as the angelic weapons and their holders are scaled to.
Well given the interpretation given for them here anyways.
Mythic381
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That has nothing to do with their durability, and was later proven false anyways. It's only an anti-feat to their invincibility, but not for angelic weapons.
What? All she did was stab Adam. What power boost are you talking about?
No one claimed angelic weapon holders are tier 5. Only Adam is, but because he survived attacks from an enraged Lucifer.
No angelic being besides Seraphims and Elders are similar to Lucifer.
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Also FP Alastor for harming him should be too, but some lazy procrastinating bum still did not make a CRT to fix that. Shame on him.
Those are mutually exclusive?
What defines their invincibility then?
And why are angelic weapons being deemed tier 5 and not dura neg?
Why could nifty, allegedly tier 9, harm Adam when she scales nowhere near him when holding an angelic weapon?
If Adam was truly that much stronger and more durable, with angelic weapons having no power boost to amp her and without having durability negating abilies , she would have never even penetrated his skin no matter how hard she tries.
The scaling here is a bit flimsy.
What even is the current interpretation for angelic weapons, why are angels invincible against any kind of damage that isn't induced by them, and why are characters capable of harming other characters quadrillions of times stronger than them when holding them?
...She is 9A.
He is 5B.
How do you suppose a 9A character can harm a 5B one?
The OP says otherwise.
This disregards the point, if angelic beings can only be harmed by angelic weapons, the underlying implication here is only weapons of a certain quality or caliber can inflict damage, if the latter is what's being assumed, as what I see being the case here due to assigning them a specific tier, ALL angelic beings should scale to tier 5.
If the former is what's being assumed, the scaling becomes nonsensical since 9A characters can harm 5B ones somehow.
But this will be my last comment regarding this topic, at least until I bother to watch this show myself or some kind of thread regarding this topic gets posted.
Mythic381
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What makes you think needing to be killed by a specific weapon means they are at that level of durability? Mind you, they can literally harm each other and one of them literally got their arm torn by a boulder.
That it can only be negated by a specific weapon, which again, was already proven wrong and we don't accept it here.
First off, Heaven's gate survived M.O.L blast.
Second off, the default assumption would be that it scales to that level, not that it is dura neg. You'd need an actual statement to prove that a weapon like that negates durability outright.
Because the angelic weapon itself can pierce through 5-B characters. Do you seriously think a character needs to be comparable to stab someone with a 5-B knife?
No? Straight up not how it works nor how it would be accepted. The knife can literally pierce 5-B characters, so why would it be limited by your physical capabilities?
They aren't invincible, it just feels like you aren't even listening to what I'm saying. They are capable of harming them because the material used is simply that sharp.
With a knife that can do that obviously.
You're majorly taking it without a bit of thought. They'd have 5-B specifically with it in their arsenal, because it's a weapon they use, not because it empowers them.
Because she stabbed him with an angelic weapon?
Straight up not true. Just because a certain weapon is stated to be able to harm certain characters, doesn't mean it's their durability, especially when they're described as invincible rather than durable. And again, it's been proven false and denied.
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Evil and intimidating Alastor's shield
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Hows about Alastor just gets Dura-Neg Resistance with his magic.
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Qurbonboev
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Impressive works
You have "Spoiler: Those who scale to Low 5-B, Possibly 5-B" inside "Spoiler: Those who scale to High 8-C and why". Can you fix it?
You have "Spoiler: Those who scale to Low 5-B, Possibly 5-B" inside "Spoiler: Those who scale to High 8-C and why". Can you fix it?
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The might of lilith fired at alostor before emily saves alostor. İts shined again because how far away its fired and they see it when its get closer, there is so many examples in the fiction
But overlords shouldnt be scale at ftl, they clearly weaker and slower than emily
Vox captured him just because she caught of guard.
Only adam,seraphims, and morning star family should scale to it.
Maybe alostor in full power can scale to it because hes the strongest sinner in hell
But overlords shouldnt be scale at ftl, they clearly weaker and slower than emily
Vox captured him just because she caught of guard.
Only adam,seraphims, and morning star family should scale to it.
Maybe alostor in full power can scale to it because hes the strongest sinner in hell
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If she was FTL Vox wouldn't have caught her off-guard, she would literally be over 1 MILLION times faster than him.
To put that into perspective, the average human's full sprint is 5 meters a second, compared to a Garden Snail's 0.0134112 Meters per second, an only 372.822715342x speed difference.
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İt doesnt work like that i suppose
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