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Introduction:
well that was fast huh
new information has come out that basically kills the whole "universe = hi3 imaginary tree" thing.
i will start by reviewing a few things addressed in the last thread;
i ask you all to read this thoroughly its a rather long readable
https://imgchest.com/p/92495vexbyn
Now what exactly is this readable saying?
Other reasoning why the universe being the same Imaginary tree as the hi3 tree makes no sense;
Path-space Issues:
There's probably more i could add honestly but the previous thread i linked earlier summarizes all the inconsistencies between hsr and hi3's imaginary trees so i'd recommend taking a brief look at that.
Conclusion:
this affects the following:
Thank you for reading!
Votes:
Agree: Planck69, Vietthai Glassman Actuallyspaceman42
Neutral:
Disagree:
well that was fast huh
new information has come out that basically kills the whole "universe = hi3 imaginary tree" thing.
i will start by reviewing a few things addressed in the last thread;
As we know the main cosmological structure in hoyoverse is the Imaginary Tree which is an infinite 11 dimensional structure that rivals the 11 Dimensional Sea of Quanta established by Honkai Impact 3rd (hi3). As posited by HI3 the universe is contained by the higher dimensional imaginary tree while the tree exists on a dimension they cannot touch physically basically saying its beyond the physical plane (4 infinite + 7 compact), aka the universe.
Why is this important?
Well for starters, in Honkai star rail (Hsr) the Imaginary tree is posited as the Universe itself which could mean one of two things;
Answer 1. is what ill be arguing for as the second answer doesnt make a whole lot of sense for a multitude of reasons but before i get into some old reasoning on why that doesnt make sense, lets look at some new evidence we discovered in the most recent Hsr 4.2 patch.
Why is this important?
Well for starters, in Honkai star rail (Hsr) the Imaginary tree is posited as the Universe itself which could mean one of two things;
- The Imaginary tree they are refering to in Hsr is NOT the same as the Hi3 Imaginary Tree but simply just the universe (4D)
- they are talking about the same tree as Hi3 meaning either; A, every being in the hoyoverse has infinite 11D existence or B, the imaginary tree itself is just 4D.
Answer 1. is what ill be arguing for as the second answer doesnt make a whole lot of sense for a multitude of reasons but before i get into some old reasoning on why that doesnt make sense, lets look at some new evidence we discovered in the most recent Hsr 4.2 patch.
i ask you all to read this thoroughly its a rather long readable
https://imgchest.com/p/92495vexbyn
Now what exactly is this readable saying?
Theres something known as the Aether Network that allows people to communicate throughout the universe from one planet to another regardless of range. This Aether network, moreso the Aether part of the Aether network, is a PROJECTION from a higher dimensional space (likely the sea of quanta for obvious reasons) on to 3 dimensional space due to Imaginary Internal Energy (IIE). (For more information on imaginary internal energy, ill link this Thread that goes more in depth on it and the second law of thermodynamics)
That is to say, that whenever Aeons affect the physical plane/universe/cosmos, they are ONLY affecting the physical (4D+7compact) plane and NOT anything higher like the hi3 Imaginary tree/space OR the Sea of Quanta as the Aether being a projection onto 3 dimensional space confirms that the physical plane, aka the universe, is only 4 dimensional once you include the temporal dimension.
That is to say, that whenever Aeons affect the physical plane/universe/cosmos, they are ONLY affecting the physical (4D+7compact) plane and NOT anything higher like the hi3 Imaginary tree/space OR the Sea of Quanta as the Aether being a projection onto 3 dimensional space confirms that the physical plane, aka the universe, is only 4 dimensional once you include the temporal dimension.
Other reasoning why the universe being the same Imaginary tree as the hi3 tree makes no sense;
In thus spoke apocalypse, Otto VERY BLATANTLY Transends the physical plane in an attempt to reach the imaginary tree
For a brief summary of Otto's plan, he needed to go outside of reality to create new possibilities in the past for Kallen, you cannot do this unless you exist outside of real 4th dimensional space-time as explained by Nagamitsu. If we say the Hsr tree and the Hi3 tree are absolutely referencing the same tree that would mean all otto did was touch upon the 4D universe... now how does that make any sense if you need to go outside of the universe to travel to the past?
Note: reality is also another term for the physical plane.
For a brief summary of Otto's plan, he needed to go outside of reality to create new possibilities in the past for Kallen, you cannot do this unless you exist outside of real 4th dimensional space-time as explained by Nagamitsu. If we say the Hsr tree and the Hi3 tree are absolutely referencing the same tree that would mean all otto did was touch upon the 4D universe... now how does that make any sense if you need to go outside of the universe to travel to the past?
Path-space Issues:
For another reason why saying universe = hi3 Imaginary tree makes no sense, we'd have to take a look at Hsr's structures for a bit, specifically Path-space.
So irontomb very clearly destroys the universe here and Cyrene and the trailblazer escape to Path space, a non-coropreal space outside of the universe's real space-time. Saying the universe = imaginary tree would mean that pathspace is above the Imaginary tree making it and aeons.. 12D? At least in existance im not arguing for 1-B here of course. Not that its out of the realm of possibility for there to be something beyond the imaginary tree though without further information we dont know that, but this would go back to the second answer i gave earlier about how all living things in the Hoyoverse would be possibly infinite 11D in existence.. i hope we see the issue with that.
Im not arguing 12D path space, this part is just to show how ridicuous the assumption would be that pathspace is above the imaginary tree, reread the section if you need to.
So irontomb very clearly destroys the universe here and Cyrene and the trailblazer escape to Path space, a non-coropreal space outside of the universe's real space-time. Saying the universe = imaginary tree would mean that pathspace is above the Imaginary tree making it and aeons.. 12D? At least in existance im not arguing for 1-B here of course. Not that its out of the realm of possibility for there to be something beyond the imaginary tree though without further information we dont know that, but this would go back to the second answer i gave earlier about how all living things in the Hoyoverse would be possibly infinite 11D in existence.. i hope we see the issue with that.
Im not arguing 12D path space, this part is just to show how ridicuous the assumption would be that pathspace is above the imaginary tree, reread the section if you need to.
There's probably more i could add honestly but the previous thread i linked earlier summarizes all the inconsistencies between hsr and hi3's imaginary trees so i'd recommend taking a brief look at that.
Conclusion:
The Aether Network specifically labels the universe as 3 dimensional space (excluding the temporal dimension) meaning that all cosmos destroying feats are capped at 2-A for including the physical plane's cosmology (Notably Genshin Impact) anything that is currently labeled with Possibly High 1-C will be removed and just left at 2-A
this affects the following:
Thank you for reading!
Votes:
Agree: Planck69, Vietthai Glassman Actuallyspaceman42
Neutral:
Disagree:
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