(ACCEPTED) Thanks mythus! Removing possibly High 1-C from HSR

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Holy Easy Agree.
Possibly H1-C Aeons were a psyop

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I agree

 

[Furina003]

Agree with CRT, Since the crt l1c emanator yesterday, I have not agreed to upgrade hsr characters to IT level, saying that aeons or emanators can destroy the entire IT does sound not make senses to me

 

[Doggo]

hsr getting carried by Genshin is so peak

 

[Le'garde273]

Fuli does the same.

Nethy chan just didn't aware if every aeons could affect the universe in their own ways, such as

HooH through splitting their own will through the universe
Nous cutting the universe branch possibilities
Terminus with it's finality
Aha with their laughter
Fuli with it's universe blueprints
Nanook with their entropy death heat
Ena with their laws

And what stopping mythus having similar magnitude feats such as their reboot and internet networks

 

[Killerdrone123]

And the cycle continues agree with the crt

Wonder how long will it take for them to get upgraded again to h1c

 

[AthelChan]

And the cycle continues agree with the crt

Wonder how long will it take for them to get upgraded again to h1c

atp this warrant a discussion rule.

 

[SuperNova55555]

atp this warrant a discussion rule.

Idk, this thread is directly using new evidence that only came out days after the staff thread finished. And discussion rules aren’t meant to prevent new evidence, only re-used arguments

 

[Eseseso]

OP looks fine.

Curious, does this remove 11D High 1-C from the entire verse?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Curious, does this remove 11D High 1-C from the entire verse?

The cosmology is unchanged
In terms of people scaling that 11D it now is limited to the Cocoon of Finality from Honkai impact.
But that may possibly be downgraded or upgraded beyond 11D too

 

[Mbpoops]

The source material used (Aether Network) is already a misinformation, the fact Enigmata is closely tied up to the History Fictionologist:

All masked fool dialogue must be misinformation then according to you

Admittedly, the fact that you can find the source material (Aether Network) literally in a random cafe in Planarcadia, and isn't even in the databank (as this will prove it's written by a reliable narrator which is Adrian Spencer Smith) already proves this material cannot be used as it's unreliable

Its unreliable because its a readable..? We use readables all the time in scaling but ok lets say that we need a very very smart person to say what the cosmology is, in the op herta very clearly says the universe is a tree (the imaginary tree) and so does zandar. The universe is clearly 4D spacetime because even without that aether network scan schrodinger labels the “universe we relate to humans” as 4th dimensional with 7 extra compact dimensions So if you really want to we can just nuke the cosmology to 4D since that post you linked earlier (that i cant refute apparently because a staff said it? Makes no sense to me but lets use nether logic for now) claims the sea of quanta is apart of reality. But i dont think you’d like that now would you?

— You cannot take anything written by History Fictionologist seriously unless there's evidence it's backed out by someone who actually knows about the matter.

All planarcadia dialogue must not be used then ig

Heck, it even goes as far as to say that Mythus could reboot the universe once more after Finality which is straight up bunk LMFAO.

 

[Mbpoops]

OP looks fine.

Curious, does this remove 11D High 1-C from the entire verse?

Nah just hsr until more proofs

 

[Mbpoops]

And the cycle continues agree with the crt

 

[Doggo]

Ice Elation

 

[Mbpoops]

Path Space being above the universe still holds true though, Phainon has to ascend from a three-dimensional being to whatever dimensionality Path Space has rn

Actually i just went back and reread this are you saying phainon has hde cause he went to path space??? He was already in path space fighting destruction mf the only thing he did was get really big and angry and hit nanook (which you can argue he only hit the 3D parts and not anything higher but IE/HE covers extradimensions so idc personally)

 

[Voidnether]

This just heavily misunderstands how exposition works. Exposition can only be false if it is narratively meaningful for it to be so, like in order to make a plot twist or the like. Which therein gives you the burden to elaborate why the dimensionality of a particular thing is narratively meaningful at all. Which, not to mention, this particular book already uses previously established concepts like IIE and Negentropy.

This doesn't mean anything, we know the only reason why we could take the Zephyro vs Phainon readables that confirmed they fought in Path Space is because it was confirmed by the Scepter firsthand and literal animations of Phainon fighting Zephyro. We don't have any reason to assume the Aether Network is true however, especially when it's written by a History Fictionologist and is related to Enigmata without further evidence that supports what the readables is claiming. Enigmata's objective was to literally falsify history and spread misinformation, we definitely don't take this as a source unless there's further evidence that supports it.

IIE and Negentropy are basic terminologies within the series, no one would believe the Enigmata if they can't even get this right. We know this is consistent through the series that Enigmata is literally spreading misinformation and falsifying history, they even have a reputation of their own in the databank because of this.

Fuli does the same.

Fuli is written on the databank though.

 

[KirbyFan03]

Agree with the OP

Funny how the verse went from 1-A+ to 2-A

 

[SuperNova55555]

This doesn't mean anything, we know the only reason why we could take the Zephyro vs Phainon readables that confirmed they fought in Path Space is because it was confirmed by the Scepter firsthand and literal animations of Phainon fighting Zephyro. We don't have any reason to assume the Aether Network is true however, especially when it's written by a History Fictionologist and is related to Enigmata without further evidence that supports what the readables is claiming. Enigmata's objective was to literally falsify history and spread misinformation, we definitely don't take this as a source unless there's further evidence that supports it.

This doesn't track my argument at all. As I explained, you have to elaborate why the dimensionality here is narratively significant at all. Because that particular fact is completely inconsequential to the plot itself. There's js no reason the writers need to lie about how many spatial dimensions something has, because they're not powerscalers.

And this also ignores the holistic implications of the text. I.e the re-affirmation of previously established concepts like IIE, Negentropy an how they interact with realspace and entropy in general. These concepts particularly have no reason to be affirmed as incorrect in the text, unlike other aspects of the readable.

Fuli is written on the databank though.

Which is unrelated to my response.

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Nah just hsr until more proofs

Welp…we have Pre-Aeon Aha climb the highest branch of the Tree of Existence and not the universe and resulting them became an Aeon according to the data book

The Masked Fools tell a parable of the birth of their beloved Aeon. When the Lord of Elation climbed to the highest branch on the Tree of Existence, they saw the cold and despicable void, the stars operating like machinery, and how the meaning of all things bows before nothingness. They continued looking until they saw a baby fall to the ground and cry because it had been wronged. The Aeon burst into laughter, laughter so clear it tore through the cold universe and still reverberates through the universe today.

Welp I might be wrong cuz I’m not that ln-verse of its lore

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nah just hsr until more proofs

Bro is asking for hoyo to drop more random downgrade statements

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh ye, Aeons should keep 11D HDE. Would js be very narratively weird otherwise.

Also. 11D Pinball.

 

[Mbpoops]

Oh ye, Aeons should keep 11D HDE. Would js be very narratively weird otherwise.

Also. 11D Pinball.

Wasnt gonna remove it but ye

 

[Mbpoops]

Welp…we have Pre-Aeon Aha climb the highest branch of the Tree of Existence and not the universe and resulting them became an Aeon according to the data book

This could just be talking about the universe since hsr posits the tree is the universe though even if this was the hi3 tree if wouldnt be an ap feat just 11D existence which they already have

 

[Doggo]

ngl making a special note on the verse page or in the Aeon profiles (and also the people who scale to 2A) that explains the difference between the IT of both games would be preferable

 

[Mbpoops]

ngl making a special note on the verse page or in the Aeon profiles (and also the people who scale to 2A) that explains the difference between the IT of both games would be preferable

I think its already there lol

 

[Doggo]

I think its already there lol

Nvm yeah

But it needs to be edited because it still has the "pssibly 11d" rating mentioned

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Aeons on fraud watch

Agreed

 

[KirbyFan03]

Now Lan vs Devilance can be fair!

 

[Mbpoops]

Now Lan vs Devilance can be fair!

Fr!!

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Oh ye, Aeons should keep 11D HDE. Would js be very narratively weird otherwise.

Also. 11D Pinball.

I’m a bit confused about how a character can be physically 11D but still only be 2-A in terms of physical AP. I know this is a rule on the wiki, but it genuinely does not make sense to me.

(Also I agree with the thread)

 

[AyOgUyS]

I’m a bit confused about how a character can be physically 11D but still only be 2-A in terms of physical AP. I know this is a rule on the wiki, but it genuinely does not make sense to me.

(Also I agree with the thread)

because both lower or higher dimensional beings can have different dimensional mass on any level (I'm going purely off memory don't yell at me if this is wrong) which is why people with 3D bodies can have 4D+ AP (Son Goku, Sonic, etc.) but this also means its possible for a guy with a 5D body to only have 3D AP

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

I think it's stupid to consider this readable an actual source. It's a from a random tv program that was supposedly even deleted. It doesn't come from any known knowledgable character, IPC, Intellgentsia guild, genius society etc which are far more trustworthy sources. The fact that mythus is mentioned is also a bit suspicious. There's also that the existence of the tree is a theory to people. If they don't even know that, I am not really inclined to believe that they are knowledgable of things like other dimensions and spaces. It's one readable that goes against an entire established setting.

Also, why would path space need to be 12D? I thought we had established that irontomb only affected the physical plane since nothing else was touched?

 

[Voidnether]

This doesn't track my argument at all. As I explained, you have to elaborate why the dimensionality here is narratively significant at all. Because that particular fact is completely inconsequential to the plot itself. There's js no reason the writers need to lie about how many spatial dimensions something has, because they're not powerscalers.

And this also ignores the holistic implications of the text. I.e the re-affirmation of previously established concepts like IIE, Negentropy an how they interact with realspace and entropy in general. These concepts particularly have no reason to be affirmed as incorrect in the text, unlike other aspects of the readable.

Which is unrelated to my response.

But History Fictionologist and Enigmata has a reason to lie about it, they're consistently known as those people who spreads misinformation and literally ruins history. You need significant evidence why the Aether Network stuff is considered reliable enough to even be used despite its relations with a faction that clearly is spreading misinformation.

That readable was found on a random cafe in Planarcadia, it doesn't even have any significance as if you'd rather trust a random scientist which we can't even confirm it's reliable or not. It's literally the same situation as Mars and Venus scientist downplaying the heck out of Cocoon of Finality WHICH ARE ALSO RANDOM READABLES ON HI3.

Physical plane were always meant to be Infinite 4-D (as in 2-A structures). But holy shit, the Aether Network stuff just can't be used at all since we can't even confirm whether it's reliable or not. We're going off like a literal random NPC who doesn't even know what they're talking about. Especially if they claimed Mythus could boot up the universe after Finality like wtf.

 

[Mbpoops]

Ill respond to this later im at wirk but why are yall always bringing the cocoon into unrelated threads?

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

...? They aren't bringing up the cocoon. Lol. They are bringing a similar situation that has been repeated to prove how random dialogues and readables that don't stem from verified and reliable sources aren't always... reliable?

 

[Voidnether]

Ill respond to this later im at wirk but why are yall always bringing the cocoon into unrelated threads?

Because the arguments against CoF were also from random readables that you find on the most random place ever, and these are off like said Mars / Venus scientists

 

[Mbpoops]

I think it's stupid to consider this readable an actual source. It's a from a random tv program that was supposedly even deleted. It doesn't come from any known knowledgable character, IPC, Intellgentsia guild, genius society etc which are far more trustworthy sources. The fact that mythus is mentioned is also a bit suspicious

You would need to prove why the source is untrustworthy. The onlt time IIE is even mentioned is by screwllum so the fact they know about it proves they have knowledge on parts of the cosmology, saying “B-But mythus” doesnt mean anything cause we could deadass just delete his profile if everything relating to him is incorrect

. There's also that the existence of the tree is a theory to people.

Its only a theory in hsr hi3 its a real thing and we know this for a fact

If they don't even know that, I am not really inclined to believe that they are knowledgable of things like other dimensions and spaces. It's one readable that goes against an entire established setting

how does it go against the entire setting..? It actually supports what hi3 already established

Also, why would path space need to be 12D? I thought we had established that irontomb only affected the physical plane since nothing else was touched?

Ill edit that part since everyone thinks im arguing 12D path space, im not arguung 12D pathspace, its satiracle. Its to show how stupid the assumption that universe = IT is because that would mean pathspace is 12D

 

[Mbpoops]

...? They aren't bringing up the cocoon. Lol. They are bringing a similar situation that has been repeated to prove how random dialogues and readables that don't stem from verified and reliable sources aren't always... reliable?

Cocoon of Finality

Bruh

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

You would need to prove why the source is untrustworthy. The onlt time IIE is even mentioned is by screwllum so the fact they know about it proves they have knowledge on parts of the cosmology, saying “B-But mythus” doesnt mean anything cause we could deadass just delete his profile if everything relating to him is incorrect

This document was automatically summarized and generated by intelligent web crawlers.

A script scraped from a video channel investigating mysterious physical phenomena

Your proof is the context. It's an AI generated "research" from random sources on the internet made for some weird channel for youtube. You cannot possibly think this is reliable in any case. Also are we forgetting that the entire thing of Planarcadia is to not take things at face value because words and intentions are twisted and misinterpreted?

Its only a theory in hsr hi3 its a real thing and we know this for a fact

What? The point is that people are still theorising without having the full picture. Even the geniuses. A random youtuber is surely an even more unreliable source.

Ill edit that part since everyone thinks im arguing 12D path space, im not arguung 12D pathspace, its satiracle. Its to show how stupid the assumption that universe = IT is because that would mean pathspace is 12D

The argument is that we've agreed that Irontomb only affected the physical plane of the tree. What does path-space have to do with it when it's another higher dimension not affected by it?

@Planck69 @Vietthai96 Sorry for pinging but I really think you need to reconsider your votes and be informed of the context of this readable that was left out.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Your proof is the context. It's an AI generated "research" from random sources on the internet made for some weird channel for youtube. You cannot possibly think this is reliable in any case. Also are we forgetting that the entire thing of Planarcadia is to not take things at face value because words and intentions are twisted and misinterpreted?

What? The point is that people are still theorising without having the full picture. Even the geniuses. A random youtuber is surely an even more unreliable source.

The argument is that we've agreed that Irontomb only affected the physical plane of the tree. What does path-space have to do with it when it's another higher dimension not affected by it?

@Planck69 @Vietthai96 Sorry for pinging but I really think you need to reconsider your votes and be informed of the context of this readable that was left out.

You know you can only ping by replying to them right