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(ACCEPTED) Thanks mythus! Removing possibly High 1-C from HSR

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I mean the captain is s real character
For a given definition of a character...

Plus there are 2 different ones anyway Captainverse captain is a bum in the SOQ , the bridge captain is normal human from a parallel world and simply has a game based on real in-universe events.

None of them scale even close high-tiers let alone the cosmology, let alone above the cosmology
 
Can you prove this or is it just an opinion?

Lambda made use of this to channel energy from the many ‘Captains’ of the game (not to be confused with the Captain from the Captainverse). As observers, the Captains collectively counted as higher dimensional beings, giving them some control over the narrative.

miHoYo used this to break the fourth wall, allowing players to project on these fictional Captains. - False no fouth wall break happened no players were projectod on the ficional captains (who were ordinary people who played the game)

???: Yes. Everyone will offer their help.

???: It’s not just us from St. Freya.

???: There’s also us from Schicksal…

???: We, of Anti-Entropy…

???: Even your past enemies…

???: And of course, the countless ordinary people of this world who are fighting for their Destiny must be included!

Ai: And that’s not all, right?

Bronya: This is…

???: This is on the Earth, and among all the parallel worlds…

???: The energy offered by every ordinary person.

???: Yes, to most, it is a tiny, tiny thing…

???: But as long as there is a way to gather this power…

???: Like my core key, they will explode with unparalleled power - ch.35


The Captains see everything in Honkai Impact 3rd as fantasy.

Furthermore, Miss Administrator’s work is to, well, administrate the game. - what is this supposed to prove that the game distributed by Ai-chan is a game well duh that's what it is where is the supposed superiority
 
Lambda made use of this to channel energy from the many ‘Captains’ of the game (not to be confused with the Captain from the Captainverse). As observers, the Captains collectively counted as higher dimensional beings, giving them some control over the narrative.

miHoYo used this to break the fourth wall, allowing players to project on these fictional Captains. - False no fouth wall break happened no players were projectod on the ficional captains (who were ordinary people who played the game)

???: Yes. Everyone will offer their help.

???: It’s not just us from St. Freya.

???: There’s also us from Schicksal…

???: We, of Anti-Entropy…

???: Even your past enemies…

???: And of course, the countless ordinary people of this world who are fighting for their Destiny must be included!

Ai: And that’s not all, right?

Bronya: This is…

???: This is on the Earth, and among all the parallel worlds…

???: The energy offered by every ordinary person.

???: Yes, to most, it is a tiny, tiny thing…

???: But as long as there is a way to gather this power…

???: Like my core key, they will explode with unparalleled power - ch.35


The Captains see everything in Honkai Impact 3rd as fantasy.

Furthermore, Miss Administrator’s work is to, well, administrate the game. - what is this supposed to prove that the game distributed by Ai-chan is a game well duh that's what it is where is the supposed superiority
That's fair enough.

My personal stance on this is that Ai-chan does have a superiority over the canon story of Hi3 as she manages it and views it as a fictional game but the issue is that she's bound by the Spiritual Adam which is a massive antifeat and likely disqualifier, since it logically puts her below the Cocoon and likely the Metamorphed Trio + Deliverance Kevin.
B.B.B: I fell in love at first sight! So much packed in one place, characters, scenarios, monsters... What could be better?
Miss Administrator: I cannot let this go on. I, Chief Administrator AI Hyperion Lambda will protect Honkai Impact 3rd... and exile you from this game.
 
That's fair enough.

My personal stance on this is that Ai-chan does have a superiority over the canon story of Hi3 as she manages it and views it as a fictional game but the issue is that she's bound by the Spiritual Adam which is a massive antifeat and likely disqualifier, since it logically puts her below the Cocoon and likely the Metamorphed Trio + Deliverance Kevin.
Her being an administrator shouldn't have any bearing on the main story, she created the game and made herself the administrator the game has no bearing on main story because it's just it, a game (besides accumulating whishpower)
 
Her being an administrator shouldn't have any bearing on the main story, she created the game and made herself the administrator the game has no bearing on main story because it's just it, a game (besides accumulating whishpower)
It is legitimately just that she's stated to have seen the main character's stories and alternative versions of it and there's statements that she made the game to show the captains said journey. There's definitely grounds for R>F but it gets disqualified because she's fallible within the realms of what she sees as a story, unless you want to give the Spiritual Adam R>F transcendence through its very weird Reality Fiction statements, but they likely won't hold up, and it'd leave the scaling in a weird place.
 
It is legitimately just that she's stated to have seen the main character's stories and alternative versions of it and there's statements that she made the game to show the captains said journey.
How is this R>F if you seen the stories of the main characters and their au's then you have multiversal precognition/postcognition nothing about R>F

She made a game, you know who also is capable of creating games - Normal humans. She just made a VR one and as we already know distributed them not to nebulous players but to humans in parallel worlds.

To me there is nothing indicating R>F plus it adds an unnecessary complication that just drags the story's narrative down.
 
How is this R>F if you seen the stories of the main characters and their au's then you have multiversal precognition/postcognition nothing about R>F

She made a game, you know who also is capable of creating games - Normal humans. She just made a VR one and as we already know distributed them not to nebulous players but to humans in parallel worlds.

To me there is nothing indicating R>F plus it adds an unnecessary complication that just drags the story's narrative down.
She made a game containing the narratives of the characters, we view the game from these character's points of view, which Ai Lambda is inherently more real than because in-lore she made the narrative we're playing and is the one providing the interface for the game to be played.

R-F Info:
In order to qualify they must view the world as a some actual form of 'fiction', i.e. to them what happens in the fiction is not real and of no physical consequence to their being and also otherwise is of no greater consequence to their being than an actual fictional character could reasonably be to a real life human. However, the medium in which they view the world as fiction generally does not matter, as it being fiction is enough for a Reality-Fiction Transcendence to be considered.
The 1st is true, though the actual events in the narrative (the narrative of Hi3) DO effect Lambda, the Spiritual Adam, that's the issue.

Also yeah, it does drag the narrative down. I really disliked all that meta-talk before the Kevin fight.
 
She made a game containing the narratives of the characters, we view the game from these character's points of view, which Ai Lambda is inherently more real than because in-lore she made the narrative we're playing and is the one providing the interface for the game to be played.

R-F Info:

The 1st is true, though the actual events in the narrative (the narrative of Hi3) DO effect Lambda, the Spiritual Adam, that's the issue.

Also yeah, it does drag the narrative down. I really disliked all that meta-talk before the Kevin fight.
But she didn't ,she made a game that is just a game, nothing more than a piece of code she didn't create a narrative she created a game based on real people, just because i can create a game about something doesn't mean i have R>F superiority.

We view it from the characters pov because it was programmed that way , you can program a game from a pov of some random person.

That's like saying i created a game about trees therefore I'm above the trees in the narrative.

Again she is on the same level of reality as HI3 , she gets affected by Spiritual Adam because she is an (abnormal) but still an existance in HI3 world that was never above the narrative.
 
My issue is that the simulation itself isn’t R> F because it’s js that the Hi3 universe is made of data… which isn’t R>F unless Ai-Chan R>Fs the data itself
 
Also yeah, it does drag the narrative down. I really disliked all that meta-talk before the Kevin fight.
Also that's why i say and will continue to say that ch 35 is beautiful , because there is no 4th wall break that players collectively hallucinated but sheer humanity won the day.

What i meant was that your interpretation drags the story down without that interpretation there is nothing wrong with the story.
 
But she didn't ,she made a game that is just a game, nothing more than a piece of code she didn't create a narrative she created a game based on real people, just because i can create a game about something doesn't mean i have R>F superiority.

Again she is on the same level of reality as HI3 , she gets affected by Spiritual Adam because she is an (abnormal) but still an existance in HI3 world that was never above the narrative.

I'm gonna really dumb this down.

Layers of reality

1- Us
2- AI-Lambda
3 - Hi3

We play Hi3, we view things on Hi3's level.
AI-Lambda makes a game based on people from her reality, she made and administrates Honkai Impact 3rd, what she sees as a game is the Hi3 layer of reality, making her 'more real' than the canon events of the story. She even talks about the actual mechanics of the game in chapter 35, how if they only fight Kevin with 3 people they'll have infinite retries because that's the mechanic of the game Honkai Impact 3rd. She blatantly views Honkai Impact 3rd as a game beneath her.

The issue is that she's also blatantly effected by Project Stigma which is a disqualifier for R>F.
Also that's why i say and will continue to say that ch 35 is beautiful , because there is no 4th wall break that players collectively hallucinated but sheer humanity won the day.

What i meant was that your interpretation drags the story down without that interpretation there is nothing wrong with the story.
What are we even on about at this point 😭 - Lambda's discussion before the Kevin fight is just legitimately horrible and ruins the immersion in the most intense part of the story, ignoring it with a different interpretation so the story 'is perfect' is just kinda ass, regardless of if Lambda is any more or less real than Hi3's reality, it just reeks of bad fanservice that legitimately left a bad taste in my mouth, especially when the Core Key was used in the final fight. The story doesn't NEED to be perfect, Chapter 35 is a good chapter, it just had a bad part.
 
I'm gonna really dumb this down.

Layers of reality

1- Us
2- AI-Lambda
3 - Hi3

We play Hi3, we view things on Hi3's level.
AI-Lambda makes a game based on people from her reality, she made and administrates Honkai Impact 3rd, what she sees as a game is the Hi3 layer of reality, making her 'more real' than the canon events of the story. She even talks about the actual mechanics of the game in chapter 35, how if they only fight Kevin with 3 people they'll have infinite retries because that's the mechanic of the game Honkai Impact 3rd. She blatantly views Honkai Impact 3rd as a game beneath her.

The issue is that she's also blatantly effected by Project Stigma which is a disqualifier for R>F.

What are we even on about at this point 😭 - Lambda's discussion before the Kevin fight is just legitimately horrible and ruins the immersion in the most intense part of the story, ignoring it with a different interpretation so the story 'is perfect' is just kinda ass, regardless of if Lambda is any more or less real than Hi3's reality, it just reeks of bad fanservice that legitimately left a bad taste in my mouth, especially when the Core Key was used in the final fight. The story doesn't NEED to be perfect, Chapter 35 is a good chapter, it just had a bad part.
Let me dumb it down
Normal humans(players - captains) - Lambda - Hi3 they all exist on the same level of reality there are no higher dimensional "US" there is and never was "YOU"

???: This is on the Earth, and among all the parallel worlds…

???: The energy offered by every ordinary person.

It doesn't get more blatant than this
 
Lmfao no way this thread turned into an R>F Honkai discussion do Hoyoverse fans get this bored when a thread isn’t bloated and staff show up quick
 
Lmfao no way this thread turned into an R>F Honkai discussion do Hoyoverse fans get this bored when a thread isn’t bloated and staff show up quick
I will not let anyone ruin the narrative for ******* Bumtain glaze , turning something beautiful into self-inserting illogical trash.

This way of thinking is way too widespread and i will take correcting that into my own hands.
 
Let me dumb it down
Normal humans(players - captains) - Lambda - Hi3 they all exist on the same level of reality there are no higher dimensional "US" there is and never was "YOU"

???: This is on the Earth, and among all the parallel worlds…

???: The energy offered by every ordinary person.

It doesn't get more blatant than this
You do realise that if Lambda makes the events of Hi3 accessible as a game within the verse then everything inside that game is inherently less real, right?
 
You do realise that if Lambda makes the events of Hi3 accessible as a game within the verse then everything inside that game is inherently less real, right?
No it doesn't HI3 exists lambda is in HI3 she makes a game based on real history and sends it into the multiverse

"You do realise if i make the events of world war 2 accessible as a game within our world then everything inside the game is inherently less real right?"
 
No it doesn't HI3 exists lambda is in HI3 she makes a game based on real history and sends it into the multiverse

"You do realise if i make the events of world war 2 accessible as a game within our world then everything inside the game is inherently less real right?"
From Chapter 35:
Ai: Alright. The power of the core key is very precious. If we do not start off, we’ll be wasting resources, and that’s like doing things in the wrong order.
Ai: If there are no other questions, let’s head to Kevin’s location.
Kiana: But… Since we have such a large battleship, aren’t we going to bring the others with us?
Ai: If you just want a cheer squad, then the Hyperion can surely take on more people.
Ai: But because we used the core key, this place can only support a combat team with a maximum of three people.
Ai: This is the protection mechanism of the world’s lowest rung.
Mei: …Protection mechanism?
Ai: Yes. Even if you lose, this time…
Ai: Ahem, I think I might have accidentally revealed some important information.
Ai: Anyway, the unsinkable ship of Eternal Return is no myth…

It's almost like AI-chan knows you can only bring 3 valkyries into combat and if more people were brought it wouldn't be a fight the player could play. It'd be a cutscene, an event with a fixed outcome.
AI-chan is deliberately guiding the cast towards only using a maximum of 3 people because 'Even if you lose, this time...' implying that if they lose, they can repeat the events AND THEN get a winning outcome.
She's doing this because she is aware these are the events of the game, and we are viewing the game character's narratives.

Also... your logic is contrived. It's not that the playing of the game gathers energy like a spirit bomb to the final fight. That'd mean that the players playing the sent out narrative are looking at a 'less real' piece of fiction while AI-Chan is discussing her reality as if it is a game with Kiana and Mei. This conversation would make no sense if she isn't 'in a game'.
 
From Chapter 35:


It's almost like AI-chan knows you can only bring 3 valkyries into combat and if more people were brought it wouldn't be a fight the player could play. It'd be a cutscene, an event with a fixed outcome.
AI-chan is deliberately guiding the cast towards only using a maximum of 3 people because 'Even if you lose, this time...' implying that if they lose, they can repeat the events AND THEN get a winning outcome.
She's doing this because she is aware these are the events of the game, and we are viewing the game character's narratives.

Also... your logic is contrived. It's not that the playing of the game gathers energy like a spirit bomb to the final fight. That'd mean that the players playing the sent out narrative are looking at a 'less real' piece of fiction while AI-Chan is discussing her reality as if it is a game with Kiana and Mei. This conversation would make no sense if she isn't 'in a game'.
Occams razor the key can support 3 people because it's its limit, the whishpower bent project STIGMA what's a bit of time bending.

Sho does this because she is aware of the power she wields and we do not take any part in this story otherwise parallel captains wouldn't be called ordinary humans

And them playing the game does gather energy

'less real' pices of fiction still create emotions still make you laugh and cry they would be sending the narrative they themselves created from the story the game told them
 
It's not rocket science
AI-chan is above HI3 narrative - 4th wall break bull - how does she get affected by Spiritual Adam

AI-chan made a game - human emotions and heroism win the day - she got affected because she never was above anything
 
VSBattles GPT, generate me 1-A+ Honkai NOW!!
VSBattles GPT:
The Honkai originates from the Imaginary Space and is a frequent occurrence throughout the entirety of the Imaginary Tree. The Imaginary Tree is a structure that consist of the entirety and concept of the Imaginary Space as explained by Nagamitsu with anology to game data and servers; it is a void of absolute nothingness and the origin where everything intertwines and to exist beyond layers of laws, predates all fundamental laws and life, even the entirety of creation itself; the primordial fundamental structure that transcend reality. The Imaginary Tree structualises Project Stigma with its branch worlds being civilisations, and those branch worlds are infinite and expand endlessly, with respect to the Imaginary Tree's own fundamentally different concept of time, that ontologically doesn't have any meaning inherently. Project Stigma is a project that involves a hierarchy that consist of an infinite quantity of reality-fiction civilisations, with each civilisation viewing the its lower counterpart as fiction; the hierarchy spirals to conceptual infinity. The Imaginary Tree is transfinitely infinite compared to all the Honkai that exists within the Earth's system, being the symbolisation and demonstration of Absolute Infinity. Furthemore, the difference between a higher dimension and a lower one is compared to the difference between a reader and a novel, where higher-dimensions can easily destroy lower-dimensional realms as if they were a book and are completely unaffected by everything coming from them. It should be noted that gravity is a concept projected from the Imaginary Singularity, hence explains why gravity works the same throughout all reality-fictional transcending dimensions; the Imaginary Singularity is the fundamental basis of Herrscher Cores, and a Herrscher Core corresponding "dimensionless" point that manipulates all Honkai related phenomons. With such content and information inferred, the Imaginary domains are considered 1-A+ structures, meaning the Honkai is a source of power that grants its users the potential to break through 1-A barriers.
Whole lotta world babble I don't understand.

Push for tier 0 immediately.
 
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