High 6-A to 5-C Redux Tournament (2026): Heatblast (Ben 10 Classic) vs DOOM! (Mashle: Magic and Muscles) (Grace happened on Friday 8th May)

[Dark_Soul20189]

chick with the swords

There you have my 100% legit vote.....

Actually count it though. I just wrote it in a joking manner, since I had a hard time deciding.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

• Enhanced Telekinesis (At the level of a Divine Visionary<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M..._note-Mashle:_Magic_and_Muscles_Chapter_35-39"><span>[</span>39<span>]</span></a>, is capable to stop any attack that are inferior in term of lifting strength<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M..._note-Mashle:_Magic_and_Muscles_Chapter_35-39"><span>[</span>39<span>]</span></a> and control opponent body at will<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M..._note-Mashle:_Magic_and_Muscles_Chapter_36-40"><span>[</span>40<span>]</span></a>)

• Damage Reduction (Wizard's at comparable levels should be able to use their magic to shield against fatal attacks, which is what Rayne did in his fight against Delisaster<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/M...note-Mashle:_Magic_and_Muscles_Chapter_118-43"><span>[</span>43<span>]</span></a>)

Uhhhhh, I don't wanna be that guy but like. Why's these stuff not being mentioned. I know heat blast has 6000° or wtv, but its not like Doom can't shield himself or counter with Telekinesis

 

[Lort15]

Uhhhhh, I don't wanna be that guy but like. Why's these stuff not being mentioned. I know heat blast has 6000° or wtv, but its not like Doom can't shield himself or counter with Telekinesis

Heatblast just can melt it like how he did to Hex's
He can still generate fire if he is stunned by telekinesis and the omnidirectional blast happens with just him standing there he doesn't need to move his hand or something

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Can Heatblast reach to supernova levels immediatly without charging ?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Heatblast just can melt it like how he did to Hex's
He can still generate fire if he is stunned by telekinesis and the omnidirectional blast happens with just him standing there he doesn't need to move his hand or something

Fair. However, If he can protect himself for even a second, then hellbe able to analyze Heatblast's Fire Manipulation to act accordingly. Iirc correctly, this guy is incredibly spectacular at analysis and countering, hence why he has this;

• Reactive Evolution (Once he's seen a technique, he can counter it instantly<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_(Mashle:_Magic_and_Muscles)#cite_note-Doom5-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)

Also, I'd like to point out an observation i seen,

Standard Melee Range, Tens of Meters with Fire Manipulation

For how the ability sounds, it doesn't have that much range which is quite shocking. Doom would likely just use Telekinesis from a distance to restrain bro (which he cannot break from) and create hundreds of clones that'll use Danmaku, without his real body being in danger

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Can Heatblast reach to supernova levels immediatly without charging ?

The high temperature Heatblast reaches by burning oxygen is too high for him to suppress later, requiring him to a place with sufficient capability to cool him.

From Weakness. It doesn't seem sustainable.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Fair. However, If he can protect himself for even a second, then hellbe able to analyze Heatblast's Fire Manipulation to act accordingly. Iirc correctly, this guy is incredibly spectacular at analysis and countering, hence why he has this;


Also, I'd like to point out an observation i seen,

For how the ability sounds, it doesn't have that much range which is quite shocking. Doom would likely just use Telekinesis from a distance to restrain bro (which he cannot break from) and create hundreds of clones that'll use Danmaku, without his real body being in danger

Yeah so as long as Doom gets a grasp or an idea of Heatblasts abilities, he kinda just works around it from a ranged distance, using speed amps to dodge and evade instantly. As his speed rises, so does his power. He'll eventually access Heatblast's power in quick time just as he did with Mash, and get strong enough to pummel bro

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

It depends on how much heat he can generate. If you're just saying he can withstand magma that would obliterate much more than his physical body, and therefore he can resist Heatblast's fire, then that's simply NFL. There are many different levels of heat that can melt a human body, but you need to prove that this magma has the same heat as the Sun or a supernova.

I believe you must not have read my short text.
The magma of the Innocent Zero in question is not only obliteration of the physical body, but also of the individual's soul, which implies that Doom's resistance is much greater than the measurable heat of Healthblast.

Just reread my text until you understand the content.

Simply this is just NFL

Hm?

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

what's the difference between conventional heat ?

As I said, the magma from Innocent Zero is not just conventional heat, but also heat that would destroy an individual's soul; this is far superior to conventional heat like that of Healthblast.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

As I said, the magma from Innocent Zero is not just conventional heat, but also heat that would destroy an individual's soul; this is far superior to conventional heat like that of Healthblast.

No correlation tho. A flame that burns your soul and body with the conventional heat being able to burn at 300° is still conventionally less than a Flame that burns at 10000°. A claim with special qualities does not invalidate or claim superiority to the latter just because it affects the spiritual. This just means Doom, if burnt or even hit by Heatblast's flames will have his physical body vaporized because Heatblast's heat scales conventionally in a physical sense above whatever The Mashle verse has. Innocent Zero's flames burning the soul would only stand if Heatblast did the same but he doesn't. Also how does that help in this fight? Doom cannot exist as a soul once his physical body gets torched so he'd die regardless

 

[DemonicDude]

As I said, the magma from Innocent Zero is not just conventional heat, but also heat that would destroy an individual's soul; this is far superior to conventional heat like that of Healthblast.

This is a very and I believe this is one of those turning points that's going to change the outcome of this debate massively.

Because Ben 10 while he's a great superhero, he has never really dealt with soul related things. I think this argument can be further backed up in solidified if the person who chose this character that being @AnAverageUsername would bring up more arguments but given the short time that we have and the uncertainty of him showing up, things looks still unfazed.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

This is a very and I believe this is one of those turning points that's going to change the outcome of this debate massively.

Because Ben 10 while he's a great superhero, he has never really dealt with soul related things. I think this argument can be further backed up in solidified if the person who chose this character dead being @AnAverageUsername would bring up more arguments but given the short time that we have and the uncertainty of him showing up, things looks still unfazed.

No. It quite literally doesn't help Doom's case. Im all for defending Doom but being able to resist a flame that burns the soul does not mean it is superior to a flame that burns at 6000°. One is obviously hotter and Im confident Doom does not resist levels of heat close to this. Heatblast neither burns the soul or Can Doom exists as a soul, this doesn't help one bit

 

[VladimirMakarov317]

Heatblast fra

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Ima wait for more arguments then I'll vote

 

[FARLANDER3305]

How potent is heatbleast heat absorbtion is tho?
The 5 exatons Scaling come from hım Being a 4 Years old and destroying goungain of youth so he upscales from that
Heatbleast oxygen burning also come From his Baby form i think mature Heatblast is far more control over his abilitys so he can go near supernova levels without exhausting Himself i guess
İf he goes fire tornado he is fine agaisnt dooms speed amps
Can Doom ressist lightning level Heats if he is then he is gine agaisnt base heat but if he isnt then this match is over cuz he cant Even touch fire blast.
İ will wait for supporters answers

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

How potent is heatbleast heat absorbtion is tho?

For what purpose?

İf he goes fire tornado he is fine agaisnt dooms speed amps

I think speed amps is kinda of a downplay. His percentages are actually transformations that amp both power and speed. Meaning, he could and would potentially just snipe Heatblast out of the tornado with a ranged attack or even Danmaku. That or he just outpaces the tornado because Heatblast is in no way catching him that way.

Can Doom ressist lightning level Heats if he is then he is gine agaisnt base heat but if he isnt then this match is over cuz he cant Even touch fire blast.

Honestly unsure, and you make me rethink because this means if Heatblast is constantly burning with 6000° flames, then shit. I don't think Doom can physical touch Heatblast with even Danmaku, because it gets burnt on contact with Heatblast. If that's the case, Doom just loses and gets stomped. I don't think Telekinesis crush works because the AP gap isn't that bizarre.

 

[FARLANDER3305]

For what purpose?

İs he potent enough to absorb all heat around it make object down below subzero

 

[FARLANDER3305]

I think speed amps is kinda of a downplay. His percentages are actually transformations that amp both power and speed. Meaning, he could and would potentially just snipe Heatblast out of the tornado with a ranged attack or even Danmaku. That or he just outpaces the tornado because Heatblast is in no way catching him that way.


İ dont agree since his fire is so potent that it can meltdown anything that thrown at him rocks metals anything only thing that Doom can do is shockwaves to make Heatblast shaken and then attack to me

 

[FARLANDER3305]

İs solar System level ratings restricted ?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

İ dont agree since his fire is so potent that it can meltdown anything that thrown at him rocks metals anything only thing that Doom can do is shockwaves to make Heatblast shaken and then attack to me

You're right. I don't believe Doom has Shockwave Generation on his profile

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

İs solar System level ratings restricted ?

Has to be. Heatblast one shots

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I swear, in this tournament, half my votes have not been counted... OG Ben 10 alien for the 2nd time....

 

[DemonicDude]

I swear, in this tournament, half my votes have not been counted... OG Ben 10 alien for the 2nd time....

counted

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Has to be. Heatblast one shots

İf 4b ratings isnt restricted then heatblast goes a nuke incinirate and Blow up whole arena with that
My Vote İs for Heatblast

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

İf 4b ratings isnt restricted then heatblast goes a nuke incinirate and Blow up whole arena with that
My Vote İs for Heatblast

Might vote Heatblast aswell if this isn't a stomp

 

[DemonicDude]

grace.

now just gotta wait for Anne vs Gray result tomorrow

 

[FARLANDER3305]

grace.

now just gotta wait for Anne vs Gray result tomorrow

Gray vs Heatblast would ve been peak ngl

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yoooo, my bad folks, got busy with work and forgot about all of this. If it's not too late (probably is), what arguments have been made for both sides? I mean I'm like, the only mashle guy consistently (kinda), so I doubt much have been made about Doom.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Yoooo, my bad folks, got busy with work and forgot about all of this. If it's not too late (probably is), what arguments have been made for both sides? I mean I'm like, the only mashle guy consistently (kinda), so I doubt much have been made about Doom.

Technically, this was finished 3 days ago (or more, I don't remember), but simply, Heatblast’s fire can burn Doom at 6000°C, and he can use it in different ways, including creating a tornado that burns the entire place.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Technically, this was finished 3 days ago (or more, I don't remember), but simply, Heatblast’s fire can burn Doom at 6000°C, and he can use it in different ways, including creating a tornado that burns the entire place.

Hm, well while it isn't 6000°, dragons in Mashle can spew fire reaching 3000°, and even basic Easton students tackle taking their eggs and facing them just for a single silver coin, but I don't think that really matters when Doom's TK is so much greater than Heatblast's ls. I think it's being underselled, considering TK in Mashle can not only control the bodies of others, but also act as barriers and even slashes. And this isn't the series where it isn't important, it's constantly shown that TK-diffing is real with massively inferior opponents. From what I'm reading, Heatblast scales to 5.71 exatons, which means even an 80% is one-shotting him on account of doing the same to the 7.86 exaton value he clashed with. Even then he'd hust power up if there's ajy struggle left, and if he gets up to his maximum, he'd be able to use his summons to get up to 78.6 exatons, before using his thirds to spawn a hundred of himself.

Range isn't an issue either, considering he can use even basic nalcos spells to nuke the area.

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

No correlation tho. A flame that burns your soul and body with the conventional heat being able to burn at 300° is still conventionally less than a Flame that burns at 10000°. A claim with special qualities does not invalidate or claim superiority to the latter just because it affects the spiritual. This just means Doom, if burnt or even hit by Heatblast's flames will have his physical body vaporized because Heatblast's heat scales conventionally in a physical sense above whatever The Mashle verse has. Innocent Zero's flames burning the soul would only stand if Heatblast did the same but he doesn't. Also how does that help in this fight? Doom cannot exist as a soul once his physical body gets torched so he'd die regardless

You misunderstood. I'm saying that the heat from Innocent Zero is extremely intense, to the point of affecting the soul. This is far beyond any measurable heat because it affects what is physically unconventional. Therefore, the heat from Innocent Zero would exceed any parameter you would give to the heat of Healthblast.

Domina's physical body and soul withstood such heat (albeit momentarily), so yes, Doom's physical body would withstand any conventional heat from Healthblast.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You misunderstood. I'm saying that the heat from Innocent Zero is extremely intense, to the point of affecting the soul. This is far beyond any measurable heat because it affects what is physically unconventional. Therefore, the heat from Innocent Zero would exceed any parameter you would give to the heat of Healthblast.

Domina's physical body and soul withstood such heat (albeit momentarily), so yes, Doom's physical body would withstand any conventional heat from Healthblast.

Would it though? The Dark Magma was said to only absorb everything without a trace left. I mean it should still be as hot as regular magma but I dunno

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

I don't know Chamas that well, but I know Doom quite a lot, so I'll bring up the following point:
Domina, who is narratively portrayed as the weaker brother, is capable of momentarily enduring after being completely engulfed by molten magma through the power of darkness, a magic described by Innocent Zero as capable of absorbing everything without leaving behind any traces whatsoever. This magma magic is vastly superior to Rume Aster's magic, which is capable of summoning a shadow devourer whose purpose is to consume the shadow and soul of whoever it attacks.
Taking this into consideration, Domina's feat implies that he does not merely possess standard physical resistance, but also a certain degree of spiritual resistance. And considering that Doom possesses the ability to push his body to the absolute limit of its capabilities, in addition to being clearly superior to Domina in virtually every narrative aspect, it is evident that we can scale Domina's resistance to him to a much greater extent.
Because of that, I would say Chamas' firepower would not be effective — though, of course, I'm assuming this is only conventional fire.
And Doom also holds a clear speed advantage, since one of the rules is equalized speed between both characters, yet Doom has a 2x multiplier when reaching 50% of his power (possibly a 4x multiplier at 100%, though nothing is confirmed), and as far as I know, Chamas does not possess any multiplier, so this is an obvious advantage for Doom.

@AnAverageUsername In this text I explain my reasoning.

Furthermore, narratively speaking, hadn't Innocent Zero already copied Adam Jobs' power, which is literally to erase things from existence?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

@AnAverageUsername In this text I explain my reasoning.

Furthermore, narratively speaking, hadn't Innocent Zero already copied Adam Jobs' power, which is literally to erase things from existence?

Mmmmmmaaaaaybe? It seemed like void manipulation at first, sending stuff to the void and all that, but then kater on when IZ was using it, darkness kinda just became STRONG BLAST and simply vaped stuff on a grander scale

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Hm, well while it isn't 6000°, dragons in Mashle can spew fire reaching 3000°, and even basic Easton students tackle taking their eggs and facing them just for a single silver coin,

It still would bruns Doom, even Heatblast can reach to Supernova hot, which is 1B°C

but I don't think that really matters when Doom's TK is so much greater than Heatblast's ls. I think it's being underselled, considering TK in Mashle can not only control the bodies of others, but also act as barriers and even slashes.

It wouldn't work if Heatblast just burned the entire area to kill Doom, and the rules say that one of them needs to go out by themselves, or one of them has to kill the other.

And this isn't the series where it isn't important, it's constantly shown that TK-diffing is real with massively inferior opponents.

Technically he can burns barriers (which is via TK)

From what I'm reading, Heatblast scales to 5.71 exatons, which means even an 80% is one-shotting him on account of doing the same to the 7.86 exaton value he clashed with.

No, Doom with 80% is only 1.38 times more stronger than Heatblast, you need 8× to one-shotted Heatblast

Even then he'd hust power up if there's ajy struggle left, and if he gets up to his maximum, he'd be able to use his summons to get up to 78.6 exatons, before using his thirds to spawn a hundred of himself.

They would need to touch Heatblast, which would bruns all of them

Range isn't an issue either, considering he can use even basic nalcos spells to nuke the area.

Doom was literally start with cqc against his enemies many times

 

[GeneralSol16]

You misunderstood. I'm saying that the heat from Innocent Zero is extremely intense, to the point of affecting the soul. This is far beyond any measurable heat because it affects what is physically unconventional. Therefore, the heat from Innocent Zero would exceed any parameter you would give to the heat of Healthblast.

Domina's physical body and soul withstood such heat (albeit momentarily), so yes, Doom's physical body would withstand any conventional heat from Healthblast.

That's not how it works.
That would just be an added haz, it doesn't add any form of heat measurement compared to Ben's.

 

[Arthur_Nando444]

Mmmmmmaaaaaybe? It seemed like void manipulation at first, sending stuff to the void and all that, but then kater on when IZ was using it, darkness kinda just became STRONG BLAST and simply vaped stuff on a grander scale

Well, it's explicitly stated that it's capable of erasing things from existence. I think it's not a simple manipulation of emptiness; we have examples of that in the verse (like Levis' imprisonment), and they are clearly not similar.

Returning to the main point, do you think my reasoning is correct? Since you're the only one here with extensive knowledge of the verse.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

You misunderstood. I'm saying that the heat from Innocent Zero is extremely intense, to the point of affecting the soul. This is far beyond any measurable heat because it affects what is physically unconventional. Therefore, the heat from Innocent Zero would exceed any parameter you would give to the heat of Healthblast.

Domina's physical body and soul withstood such heat (albeit momentarily), so yes, Doom's physical body would withstand any conventional heat from Healthblast.

Burning souls or something similar is not beyond any measurable heat; it’s just Non-Physical Interaction. If we’re talking about souls and similar things, Heatblast was able to burn Hex’s barrier, which is made of mana, the “soul” of living beings.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It still would bruns Doom, even Heatblast can reach to Supernova hot, which is 1B°C

Which I'm assuming is restricted outright, since it seems to be tied to a statistic far higher than the tourney rules

It wouldn't work if Heatblast just burned the entire area to kill Doom, and the rules say that one of them needs to go out by themselves, or one of them has to kill the other.

And? Again, telekenetic barriers would shield him from the flames

Technically he can burns barriers (which is via TK)

...No? I don't see anything here that indicates that, and what's more is that hes going supernova, which would be restricted.

No, Doom with 80% is only 1.38 times more stronger than Heatblast, you need 8× to one-shotted Heatblast

No, Doom on paper is only 1.38x stronger, but what you're not getting is that Doom cleaved through that 7.86 exaton value with no issue and apparent damage. That alone puts him far higher than what's apparent, and thus puts him in the range to obliterate Heatblast.

They would need to touch Heatblast, which would bruns all of them

All of them have the same resistances as Doom, and the same capabilities, meaning everything I've mentioned is applicable to the copies

Doom was literally start with cqc against his enemies many times

He does, but it doesn't mean he can't go "oh wait this is bad, I should do this instead"

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Which I'm assuming is restricted outright, since it seems to be tied to a statistic far higher than the tourney rules

What? No, Supernova hot has nothing to do with 4-B scaling

And? Again, telekenetic barriers would shield him from the flames

Can his telekinetic barriers withstand 6000°C heat?

...No? I don't see anything here that indicates that, and what's more is that hes going supernova, which would be restricted.

Hex literally was using his barrier in fight to protects himself from Healthblast's fire. His Supernova isn't restricted, only 4-B scaling

No, Doom on paper is only 1.38x stronger, but what you're not getting is that Doom cleaved through that 7.86 exaton value with no issue and apparent damage. That alone puts him far higher than what's apparent, and thus puts him in the range to obliterate Heatblast.

A one-shot only applies at 8×, so Doom would need to be 10× stronger to one-shot Heatblast, while Heatblast just needs to use his fire to burn Doom. And surprise, Heatblast starts with massive fire explosions or burn the oxygen to prevent Doom from breathing.

All of them have the same resistances as Doom, and the same capabilities, meaning everything I've mentioned is applicable to the copies

His copies don't have any resistance to Heatblast's fire, they can't harm him until they have resistance with his fire.

He does, but it doesn't mean he can't go "oh wait this is bad, I should do this instead"

Neither opponent has information about the other, so Doom wouldn't know what to do against Heatblast like he did with Mash; he literally started with only 30% and cqc