Adding NEP 1 and BDE 1, along with some interaction additions with them.

[Azertyhuuh]

I previously discussed this topic with some Dragon Ball fans, and several experienced members agreed with it, so I would like to bring it up here. I may also be absent from the thread for a long time, so if it gets accepted, anyone can apply the changes.

The purpose of this thread is to add NEP 1 and BDE 1, along with the necessary interaction aspects with such things. In the end, Infinite Zamasu merged with everything within the higher timeline, including the higher timeline itself, which should also encompass the World of Void and the Subspace, both of which possess NEP 1 and BDE 1 natures.

World of Void:

• Nonexistent Physiology (Nature【Type 1】& Aspects【Type 5;〈Space-Time & History〉】) and Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1)

Subspace:

• Nonexistent Physiology (Nature【Type 1】; Aspects【Types 2〈Concepts〉& 5〈Space-Time & History〉】) and Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1)

Therefore, based on the fact that Infinite Zamasu ultimately merged with all of this, it is natural for him to possess NEP 1 and BDE 1 along with their evident aspects.

And this should also be added as well ↓

• Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}

Since Infinite Zamasu was ultimately capable of destroying the entire higher timeline, that would include everything within it (the World of Void and the Subspace) as well, and therefore he should possess this for the same reasons Zeno does too.

Dragon Ball Cosmology

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Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Mbpoops]

Are there any scans to support either of these..?

I disagree with BDE1 theres no proof of this at all

Npe1 leaning to disagree but ill stay neutral ig

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Honestly not sure about this, this feels hella iffy. World of Void is BDE1 it should already lack space and time. Why should it be treated as something encompassed by a higher "timeline"? That all seems contradictory. Space-time encompassing something that lacks space-time in a "meaningful way"...

Therefore I disagree. Though I wonder, is it already accepted that World of Void is part of the hypertimeline and effecting the hypertimeline effects these structures in a meaningful way as well?

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Disagree.
Also no scans,
Which makes my disagreement even further

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Are there any scans to support either of these..?

I disagree with BDE1 theres no proof of this at all

Npe1 leaning to disagree but ill stay neutral ig

Don’t you see that the World of Void and Subspace have a BDE 1 nature?? Of course, if he merges with them, he would also possess that nature.

 

[Mbpoops]

Don’t you see that the World of Void and Subspace have a BDE 1 nature?? Of course, if he merges with them, he would also possess that nature.

No i dont because there are no scans that support this

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I am going to be real here... Why are we trying to give a character with Clear Spatial and Temporal boundaries, BDE? He quite literally merged with the timeline....

 

[Ultimuru]

Scans Azerty sent are convincing enough. I agree

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Don’t you see that the World of Void and Subspace have a BDE 1 nature?? Of course, if he merges with them, he would also possess that nature.

Where's your scans for your proof?

 

[Mbpoops]

I am going to be real here... Why are we trying to give a character with Clear Spatial and Temporal boundaries, BDE? He quite literally merged with the timeline....

He is literally the timeline like how is this bde at all

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Honestly not sure about this, this feels hella iffy. World of Void is BDE1 it should already lack space and time. Why should it be treated as something encompassed by a higher "timeline"? That all seems contradictory. Space-time encompassing something that lacks space-time in a "meaningful way"...

Therefore I disagree. Though I wonder, is it already accepted that World of Void is part of the hypertimeline and effecting the hypertimeline effects these structures in a meaningful way as well?

Honestly, this is what is written in Zeno’s profile, so yes ↓

• Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}; Can erase timeline which includes the World of Void,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS67-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS78-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Z...Dragon_Ball_Super_-_El_torneo_de_la_fuerza-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Even <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-C4-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>)

 

[Mizuki67]

Honestly not sure about this, this feels hella iffy. World of Void is BDE1 it should already lack space and time. Why should it be treated as something encompassed by a higher "timeline"? That all seems contradictory. Space-time encompassing something that lacks space-time in a "meaningful way"...

Therefore I disagree. Though I wonder, is it already accepted that World of Void is part of the hypertimeline and effecting the hypertimeline effects these structures in a meaningful way as well?

Because it is wanked

 

[Mbpoops]

Honestly, this is what is written in Zeno’s profile, so yes ↓

• Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}; Can erase timeline which includes the World of Void,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS67-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS78-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-Álbum_Enciclopedia_Dragon_Ball_Super_-_El_torneo_de_la_fuerza-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Even <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-C4-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>)

How the hell does zeno have BDE1???

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Where's your scans for your proof?

Stop asking for evidence when you don’t actually know what exists.
This is explicitly stated in the cosmology page:

Dragon Ball Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Ultimuru]

Honestly, this is what is written in Zeno’s profile, so yes ↓

• Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}; Can erase timeline which includes the World of Void,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS67-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS78-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-Álbum_Enciclopedia_Dragon_Ball_Super_-_El_torneo_de_la_fuerza-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Even <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-C4-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>)

Regarding this. If world of void lacks concept of space and time, should it even count as a part of the timeline? Or rather exist outside of it?

 

[Cipher72]

I love it when my HDE characters have BDE and NEP-1 anyways I will let the actual supporters and knowledgeable members deal with this.

How the hell does zeno have BDE1???

He doesn't

 

[Mbpoops]

Stop asking for evidence when you don’t actually know what exists.
This is explicitly stated in the cosmology page:

Dragon Ball Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

Not everyone has read the cosmology page.

If the wov is within the hyper timeline then it cant be bde1 if zamasu fuses with it

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Honestly, this is what is written in Zeno’s profile, so yes ↓

• Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}; Can erase timeline which includes the World of Void,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS67-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-DBS78-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-Álbum_Enciclopedia_Dragon_Ball_Super_-_El_torneo_de_la_fuerza-15"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a> Even <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen'ō_(Anime)#cite_note-C4-16"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a>)

this is also kinda iffy, but I won't say anything on something that's already accepted. I guess you could give Zeno this since he erased everything but.... that is related to AP. Zamasu quite literally becomes the timeline. He becomes time and space itself. And you're proposing that he is somehow BDE1... that's like proposing something has space-time but also lacks space-time in the same sense...

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Regarding this. If world of void lacks concept of space and time, should it even count as a part of the timeline? Or rather exist outside of it?

I think you can create another thread about this if you find it strange. For now, this is what is written.

 

[Ultimuru]

I think you can create another thread about this if you find it strange. For now, this is what is written.

It's a genuine question. How it works?

 

[Mizuki67]

Not everyone has read the cosmology page.

If the wov is within the hyper timeline then it cant be bde1 if zamasu fuses with it

except WOV isnt even 0D space . The laws of physics still apply there

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Can you guys avoid clogging the thread? It’s not as if I don’t share contentions but the thread was barely made and we’re almost reaching the second page with some comments that aren’t even necessary.

Because it is wanked

This is the second time you’ve attended a Dragon Ball Thread (https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-vs-cc-goku.188332/post-7568170) with nothing meaningful to say. Keep your opinions to yourself unless it reasonably contributes to the thread.

With that said I fully disagree with BDE1 as for NEP1 I’m unsure. Waiting for mod input.

 

[Mbpoops]

except WOV isnt even 0D space . The laws of physics still apply there

It would be non-dimensional rather than 0D but yea

 

[Azertyhuuh]

It's a genuine question. How it works?

Honestly, I’m like you haha, but it has already been accepted and I can’t do anything about it. As I told you, you can open another thread about this if you find it strange. Even I don’t know how it got approved.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Stop asking for evidence when you don’t actually know what exists.
This is explicitly stated in the cosmology page:

Dragon Ball Cosmology

vsbattles.fandom.com

So 1. *Stop asking for evidence when you don’t actually know what exists.
This is explicitly stated in the cosmology page:* this comment was uncalled for and is quite rude, 1.5, chill??
Two: you're supposed to provide proof in your OP, so me not reading the cosmology page doesn't mean anything.

Anyways, mods can deal with this

 

[Ultimuru]

except WOV isnt even 0D space . The laws of physics still apply there

Nah laws of physics, space and time were added by GP for tournament. Timeline which was erased by Zeno is before tournament even came up as the idea so nobody messed with this specific one.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Honestly, this is what is written in Zeno’s profile, so yes ↓

How the hell does zeno have BDE1???

Regarding this. If world of void lacks concept of space and time, should it even count as a part of the timeline? Or rather exist outside of it?

this is also kinda iffy, but I won't say anything on something that's already accepted. I guess you could give Zeno this since he erased everything but.... that is related to AP. Zamasu quite literally becomes the timeline. He becomes time and space itself. And you're proposing that he is somehow BDE1... that's like proposing something has space-time but also lacks space-time in the same sense...

I love how either all of you can't read, or none of you read the profile... This is under the NPI section on Zeno's profile... He doesn't have the ability, but can interact with it...

• Further Non-Physical Interaction
  • Soul, Spirit & Ghost (Capable of erasing everything which including harming souls, spirits, and ghost)
  • Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}; Can erase timeline which includes the World of Void,<a realm of eternal nothingness devoid of time and space. Even <Subspace> which is a dimensional world devoid of the concepts of time and space)

 

[Azertyhuuh]

So 1. *Stop asking for evidence when you don’t actually know what exists.
This is explicitly stated in the cosmology page:* this comment was uncalled for and is quite rude, 1.5, chill??
Two: you're supposed to provide proof in your OP, so me not reading the cosmology page doesn't mean anything.

Anyways, mods can deal with this

Alright, I will add it.

 

[Mbpoops]

I love how either all of you can't read, or none of you read the profile... This is under the NPI section on Zeno's profile... He doesn't have the ability, but can interact with it...

I did not read the profile, what even qualifies as BDE1 is dragon ball? The world of void? The way it’s written clearly states its apart of the timeline so its not beyond time

 

[Killerdrone123]

Preety sure fusing with non existent realm doesn't directly give you nep you need statements supporting the notion that the character became non existent too or it shared the property of realm after fusing so disagree with nep

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean you could argue nep3 but ts is ass anyway

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Can you guys avoid clogging the thread? It’s not as if I don’t share contentions but the thread was barely made and we’re almost reaching the second page with some comments that aren’t even necessary.

This is the second time you’ve attended a Dragon Ball Thread (https://vsbattles.com/threads/kratos-vs-cc-goku.188332/post-7568170) with nothing meaningful to say. Keep your opinions to yourself unless it reasonably contributes to the thread.

With that said I fully disagree with BDE1 as for NEP1 I’m unsure. Waiting for mod input.

from the looks of what the OP says, subspace also has aspect 5 (space-time) meaning it lacks space and time (that's the same as BDE indexed under a different name) so even it being a part of the timeline seems wrong.

I love how either all of you can't read, or none of you read the profile... This is under the NPI section on Zeno's profile... He doesn't have the ability, but can interact with it...

Jokes on u I never said he has BDE as a physiology ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

 

[Cipher72]

Preety sure fusing with non existent realm doesn't directly give you nep you need statements supporting the notion that the character became non existent too or it shared the property of realm after fusing so disagree with nep

I fail to see how one can fuse with a void in the first place by becoming a timeline, what's the timeline taking snapshots of ? nothing ? (that's a rhetorical question btw)
NEP-1 is privation of a necessary aspect (i.e lacking an aspect necessary for existence) or being non existent, how is Zamasu lacking/becoming "nothing" via fusing with something that takes snapshots of "nothing" I will let you guys deal with this btw.

 

[Hecky2222]

Nonexistent Physiology (Nature【Type 1】; Aspects【Types 2〈Concepts〉& 5〈Space-Time & History〉】) and Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1)

This is blatant Spatially 6-Dimensional Nonexistence

Agree with OP.

 

[Crimson_cordx]

Slightly off-topic, but why does Infinite Zamasu have Class G instead of Immeasurable?

 

[Mbpoops]

Yea honestly its either the WoV isnt in the timeline or it is in the timeline but doesnt have aspect 5 or BDE1

 

[Killerdrone123]

I fail to see how one can fuse with a void in the first place by becoming a timeline, what's the timeline taking snapshots of ? nothing ? (that's a rhetorical question btw)
NEP is privation of a necessary aspect (i.e lacking an aspect necessary for existence) or being non existent, how is Zamasu lacking "nothing" via fusing with something that takes snapshots of "nothing" I will let you guys deal with this btw.

In this case zamasu would be fusing with the wov first then the timeline as I have mention just solely fusing isn't enough to give nep

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Preety sure fusing with non existent realm doesn't directly give you nep you need statements supporting the notion that the character became non existent too or it shared the property of realm after fusing so disagree with nep

Well, maybe BDE 1 and interaction with Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}) would be fine then for me. What do you think?

 

[Killerdrone123]

Well, maybe BDE 1 and interaction with Void, Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence (Nature Type 1, Aspects Type 2 {Concept} & 5 {Other: History & Space-Time}) would be fine then for me. What do you think?

Yeah I guess npi can work probably but ki users already have that stuff so it's reduntant

 

[Mbpoops]

It seems like he wouldve fused with the timeline first rather than the wov but this could arguably be nep3 if anything