High 6-A to 5-C Redux Tournament (2026): MONSTER KING Orochi VS Hakurou (Quarter Finals)

[DemonicDude]

Vs

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• Main Tournament Thread
• Keys: As agreed against tier setter in main thread
• Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
• Distance: 50 meters apart from each other
• Win:
  • Win via killing
  • or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament. (No BFR allowed)
• Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody
• Time Limit: 25-minute time limit
• Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed
• Location: Arena Dome

(Location picture below Outside and Inside)

Arena description:

• A giant dome 500 meters wide and 800 meters tall.
• Colossal enclosed arena where the central battle platform stretches a full 500 meters across, comparable to a supersized football pitch but engineered for extreme-scale combat. The surface is a circular expanse of reinforced metal of near unbreakable material and composite plating, etched with concentric rings that help gauge distance and positioning during fights. At that scale, fighters can engage in high-speed movement, long-range attacks, and large-area abilities without immediately reaching the boundaries. At the exact center lies a small circular opening, deceptively modest compared to the arena’s size. This aperture drops straight down into a vast vertical shaft filled with water that extends three hundreds of meters below the surface.

Votes:

• Monster King Orochi: 3 (kachon, quangotjokes, AppleMaker)
• Hakurou: 7 (Astral, Alex , dark, astraphel, begrabringal, Farlander, Mido)
• Incon: 1 (demonic)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Alright let's get started....

First of before we even start would like to mention this match...
I would like to point out, that Hakurou is superior in Stealth, Awarness, analysis, and Hax. So all those arguments should also apply here.

So Hakurou starts in his Kijin key, his first move is Haze, Amp, magic sense, Heanely gaze, Analysis.... After that, he will go for an instant one-shot KO, and due to Magic NPI, he should be able to kill him instantly, and damage him beyond what he can regen.

 

[Kachon123]

Explain Hakurou's abilities.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Explain Hakurou's abilities.

Sorry for the late reply. Can you ping so I get a notification to reply faster?

But the ones I mentioned included
Magic Sense- Gives a 360 Degree range that allows the user to perceive sound and light as it interacts with magicules, as information.
Heavenly Gaze is an improved version of Magic Sense
Haze - Allows the user to erase all traces of themself, and make themself even become incorporeal to magicules.
Analyze - Allows the users to get a perfect read on their opponent, including biological structure, weak points, skills, and abilities.
His Amp should be self-evident.

Any other ability?

 

[Kachon123]

What is the "instant one-shot KO"

 

[MrTayman616]

Can you ping so I get a notification to reply faster?

What is the "instant one-shot KO"

This made me laugh a lot

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This made me laugh a lot

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What is the "instant one-shot KO"

Basically a Normal strike but coated with Aura, allowing them to attack users' "spirit body", meaning their abstract self. (this includes soul and such)

 

[Kachon123]

Orochi can resist soul deconstruction. That wouldn't one-shot him.

If that's it then I don't see Hakurou winning. He doesn't have nearly enough AP or durability to harm Orochi conventionally or survive any of his attacks. His hax wouldn't work either.

I'll vote Orochi.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Orochi can resist soul deconstruction. That wouldn't one-shot him.

If that's it then I don't see Hakurou winning. He doesn't have nearly enough AP or durability to harm Orochi conventionally or survive any of his attacks. His hax wouldn't work either.

It's not "soul destruction", but attacking someone on the conceptual/informational level.

Also, Hakurous AP is unknown since it's dura neg, but is capable of doing it up to "low 2C"... reason that is not on the profile is since we are still trying to figure out how to write it in a good way...

 

[Kachon123]

It's not "soul destruction", but attacking someone on the conceptual/informational level.

Is there a page/blog for that explains this in greater detail?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Is there a page for this?

Magic NPI, yes. Spiritual life forms, yes. But we are working on a better explanation for how the Spiritual body works.

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1: Law & Concept {Type 1} & Information {Type 2}] & Intangibility & Incorporeality; Magic can work on a conceptual level and it could interact and damage Spiritual Lifeforms who have no physical body)

 

[Kachon123]

Magic NPI, yes. Spiritual life forms, yes. But we are working on a better explanation for how the Spiritual body works.

This isn't really explaining anything to me. From my understanding, Hakurou attacks spirit bodies. That's fine, but after reading the two pages you linked, that seems to be a concept unique to Tensura. In One-Punch Man, concepts like that don't exist, and you'd have to prove that Orochi's spiritual body embodies a concept, like how demons embody the concept of darkness itself. From your explanation, all this would do for Hakurou is allow him to target Orochi's soul, which as I've already mentioned is something he resists.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

This isn't really explaining anything to me. From my understanding, Hakurou attacks spirit bodies. That's fine, but after reading the two pages you linked, that seems to be a concept unique to Tensura. In One-Punch Man, concepts like that don't exist, and you'd have to prove that Orochi's spiritual body embodies a concept, like how demons embody the concept of darkness itself. From your explanation, all this would do for Hakurou is allow him to target Orochi's soul, which as I've already mentioned is something he resists.

It would allow him to attack their Soul and concept, even if no such things exist in OPM, it would still work out. That's standards on the wiki; a user doesn't lose their abilities simply due to them not existing in their opponents' verse.

So yeah, an attack would still affect Orochi on that level, even if the "spiritual body" is not an OPM verse concept.

 

[Kachon123]

It would allow him to attack their Soul and concept, even if no such things exist in OPM, it would still work out. That's standards on the wiki; a user doesn't lose their abilities simply due to them not existing in their opponents' verse.

So yeah, an attack would still affect Orochi on that level, even if the "spiritual body" is not an OPM verse concept.

That's not how wiki standards work. In fact, via verse equalization, there'd need to be similar for the ability to work in cross-verse matchups. Orochi doesn't embody any external concept in the same way spiritual bodies do, and there's nothing in One-Punch Man similar to spiritual bodies. The only known concept is the Limiter. Attacking Orochi's limiter would only buff him.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

That's not how wiki standards work. In fact, via verse equalization, there'd need to be similar for the ability to work in cross-verse matchups. Orochi doesn't embody any external concept in the same way spiritual bodies do, and there's nothing in One-Punch Man similar to spiritual bodies. The only known concept is the Limiter. Attacking Orochi's limiter would only buff him.

Yes, it does? If a verse has "concept manipulation" and another one doesn't, it doesn't make Character A CM useless.

 

[Kachon123]

Yes, it does? If a verse has "concept manipulation" and another one doesn't, it doesn't make Character A CM useless.

It 100% depends on the mechanics of said concept manipulation.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It 100% depends on the mechanics of said concept manipulation.

If that is truly your thought, we are at a dead end in the debate.

So i guess I will start to vote, Hakurou FRA.

 

[MrTayman616]

Magic NPI, yes. Spiritual life forms, yes. But we are working on a better explanation for how the Spiritual body works.

Btw, does it ever affect someone with physical body like that?

 

[AlexSamDen]

It 100% depends on the mechanics of said concept manipulation.

"Concept of a person" is something that 100% exists I every setting even if they never describe it

Hakurou FRA

 

[Kachon123]

"Concept of a person" is something that 100% exists I every setting even if they never describe it

Hakurou FRA

Is that a concept that Hakurou/whoever is relevant has been shown to affect? AFAIK that is type 3, while Hakurou has type 1.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Btw, does it ever affect someone with physical body like that?

I don't understand our question?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Is that a concept that Hakurou/whoever is relevant has been shown to affect? AFAIK that is type 3, while Hakurou has type 1.

He affects both the general and personal
But since he already has Type 1, Type 3 is redundant

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

How is this fair....
Tell me one reason this seemed like a fair match to you

Magic Aura falls under Magic. Magic is all this:

• Magic, Reality Warping, Subjective Reality, Law Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; Magic is an idea projected into Reality and used to turn imagination into Reality and influence the laws of the world, the world itself. Magic abides by the World Language that turns nonphysical phenomena into real life in the same way magic could rewrite the laws of the world. Attributes are Laws that govern the Logic/Principles of the World. The concept of magic also applies to Spiritual Lifeforms who are also magic themselves)
• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1: Law & Concept {Type 1} & Information {Type 2}] & Intangibility & Incorporeality; Magic can work on a conceptual level and it could interact and damage Spiritual Lifeforms who have no physical body)

Hakuro FRA

 

[Kachon123]

He affects both the general and personal
But since he already has Type 1, Type 3 is redundant

Scan?

Where is type 3 on any of the linked pages?

 

[MrTayman616]

I don't understand our question?

Spiritual Lifeforms exist in that state which he can affect with magic is as far as i understand, is it correct?

If so, how is it different than NPI? Like how we treat any other spiritual interaction.

Does it affect people with physical bodies the same way rather than those who are already in that state?

 

[AlexSamDen]

Scan?

Where is type 3 on any of the linked pages?

Everyone has Type 1, and if you can destroy Type 1, you can destroy Type 3

That's basics of CM

 

[Kachon123]

Everyone has Type 1, and if you can destroy Type 1, you can destroy Type 3

That's basics of CM

I don't know if that's true?

Limitations​

• All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of darkness is not able to manipulate the concept of matter or an individual unless otherwise shown.
• All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the application of the object of the concepts they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate the concept of light cannot use this conceptual manipulation to increase the potency of their Mind Manipulation, for example. Similarly, concepts that have not shown weaponization of some sort cannot be used offensively.
• All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the use of the power. A character who embodies a concept cannot create, manipulate, or destroy it unless otherwise shown. A character who can create a concept cannot destroy it unless otherwise shown, and vice versa.
• All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the type of concept they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate a concept on a Type 3 level cannot manipulate any higher concept type.

They're bound by the type of concept they've been shown to manipulate.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Spiritual Lifeforms exist in that state which he can affect with magic is as far as i understand, is it correct?

If so, how is it different than NPI? Like how we treat any other spiritual interaction.

Does it affect people with physical bodies the same way rather than those who are already in that state?

Him damaging SLF is technically NPI, yeah

Magic CM1 is separate from SLF CM1

Magic just generally does stuff like that "to achieve the desired result"

With the sword, it generally aplies the concept of "severance" and "destruction" + NPI to soul

 

[AlexSamDen]

I don't know if that's true?

They're bound by the type of concept they've been shown to manipulate.

And the next one after it is an example saying that it's about higher types, not lower

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

They're bound by the type of concept they've been shown to manipulate.

I think you put the bolding part on the wrong part...

• All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the type of concept they have been shown to manipulate. A character able to manipulate a concept on a Type 3 level cannot manipulate any higher concept type.

They can manipulate lower ones, just not higher.

 

[Kachon123]

And the next one after it is an example saying that it's about higher types, not lower

I think you put the bolding part on the wrong part...

They can manipulate lower ones, just not higher.

You're reading that wrong. That's an example, not the sole rule. If it meant that it type 1 is capable of manipulating type 2 and 3, it would mention that as well.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Spiritual Lifeforms exist in that state which he can affect with magic is as far as i understand, is it correct?

If so, how is it different than NPI? Like how we treat any other spiritual interaction.

Does it affect people with physical bodies the same way rather than those who are already in that state?

Magic Aura allows you to project whatever concept the user thinks of onto their attacks. You can for example add the concept of severance and destruction to it, and that allows it to kill spiritual lifeforms which are conceptual beings.

What's stopping Hakuro from doing the same to Orochi? How would Orochi defend against the concept of himself getting cut?

Defending against Magic-related shenanigans requires you to resist the Principles of the World and the flow of magicules btw.

 

[Hecky2222]

You're reading that wrong. That's an example, not the sole rule. If it meant that it type 1 is capable of manipulating type 2 and 3, it would mention that as well.

There is no need to prove Complex Universals are capable of interacting with lesser forms of it.

 

[Kachon123]

There is no need to prove Complex Universals are capable of interacting with lesser forms of it.

Yes there is. Interacting with the concept of darkness is completely different than interacting with the concept of "Orochi." Show proof that Hakurou can do this. If you can't, I have no reason to accept that he can.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Btw

• Enhanced Perception Manipulation, Invisibility, and Stealth Mastery (With Haze; Haze is the perfected version of Formhide, that forces the opponent to lose sight of them, and completely suppresses sound, smell, temperature, but also their Spirit, allowing even Magicules to pass through them without interacting, making sensory abilities such as Magic Sense useless.)

He can also just spam his Haze, which magic sense doesn't work against and magicules can't interact with. That gives him conceptual lvl stealth/invisibility. And he can just keep camping on Orochi until he's dead, and that is IF Orochi somehow gets past Magic aura/modelwill.

 

[Hecky2222]

Yes there is. Interacting with the concept of darkness is completely different than interacting with the concept of "Orochi." Show proof that Hakurou can do this. If you can't, I have no reason to accept that he can.

Me when i need to create headcanon about abilities:

 

[Kachon123]

Make an argument.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Make an argument.

Here are 3

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[Kachon123]

Doesn't matter at all. Hakurou loses for the same exact reasons he loses to the tiersetter according to @Dark_Soul20189:

halurou has no way of reaching Shockrock, and gets outranged. He will eventually be forced to lower his guard get one tapped by him.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Doesn't matter at all. Hakurou loses for the same exact reasons he loses to the tiersetter according to @Dark_Soul20189:

Please show me where Orochi's first action is to Bail to space, and spam AoE or sealing attacks from space.