A Non-Ethereal Infection | Zhu and Qingyi (ZZZ) vs Alcina Dimitrescu (Resident Evil) | (5-0-0)

[Pyro9278]

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• Both are in character.
• They have prior knowledge of the location and know that their enemy is not human.

Alcina Dimitrescu:

• Dimitrescu is in character.
• It starts in its base form, and has access to its Post-Mutation form.
• She has prior knowledge of Etheric Manipulation. Her daughters accompany her.

The fight takes place in Dimitrescu Castle, starting at opposite ends of the map. Equal Speed and SBA from they rest.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Unironically? Alex might not actually go out of his way to kill them since they're clearly not attached to any of the shit going down in New York and also because this was around the time he somewhat began developing a conscience to a degree. That being said, can they even put him down? What is the goal here, to capture him or kill him? That radically changes how Alex is gonna conduct himself in this scenario.

 

[Pyro9278]

Unironically? Alex might not actually go out of his way to kill them since they're clearly not attached to any of the shit going down in New York and also because this was around the time he somewhat began developing a conscience to a degree. That being said, can they even put him down? What is the goal here, to capture him or kill him? That radically changes how Alex is gonna conduct himself in this scenario.

Killing him is definitely out of their reach, but they can at least incapacitate him via Ether manipulation. Though I'm not sure, should I consider some kind of capture-based wincon to make it fairer?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Killing him is definitely out of their reach, but they can at least incapacitate him via Ether manipulation. Though I'm not sure, should I consider some kind of capture-based wincon to make it fairer?

His regen and layered resistances might make some of those incapacitating haxes useless. I saw Resistance Negation but I'm not sure how that would work on someone with the ability to evolve to constant exposure to things that harm him as shown by him evolving in response to Bloodtox which was specifically designed to poison him with his extremely complex biology and bypass his regen by imbuing him with super necrosis and it only took him a few days of minimal and brief exposure to become borderline immune to it.

 

[Pyro9278]

His regen and layered resistances might make some of those incapacitating haxes useless. I saw Resistance Negation but I'm not sure how that would work on someone with the ability to evolve to constant exposure to things that harm him as shown by him evolving in response to Bloodtox which was specifically designed to poison him with his extremely complex biology and bypass his regen by imbuing him with super necrosis and it only took him a few days of minimal and brief exposure to become borderline immune to it.

Alex with Bloodtox had a few days to adapt and the first encounters were fatal for him, while the manipulation of Ether should work to stop him by applying it during the course of the fight and then capturing/incapacitating him.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Alex with Bloodtox had a few days to adapt and the first encounters were fatal for him, while the manipulation of Ether should work to stop him by applying it during the course of the fight and then capturing/incapacitating him.

This is assuming the effects even work in the first place since this Alex still has really good resistances.

 

[Sooshirohl]

the pubsec duo do have the edge in AP (although alex can close that gap with his various buffs) and speed at least, and vital view makes it so that zhu yuan specifically is gonna be really hard to tag. but from the looks of it, alex seems to have better LS, so i think actually restraining him is gonna be really hard. and like what was already said, it seems like he should kind of just no-sell pretty much all of ether's negative effects. i think the only ones that could maybe affect him are like, the memory manip, illusion creation, and fear manip i guess (unless you think his mind manip resistance covers all those bases)

his weakness section brings up an interesting point given how ether's memory manip works, i guess it could give the pubsec duo an opportunity to immobilize him if he freezes in place from memories of his human life. outside of that though, i don't really know if the duo can really keep him pinned long enough to actually restrain him (restraining him is also going to be difficult given his LS advantage), and they certainly aren't killing him thanks to both his regen and immortality. i don't really think he'd even be able to get incapped via ether since he resists pretty much all of it's negative effects like i already said. worst comes to worst, i guess he could probably just outlast them in a prolonged battle given his infinite stamina

 

[DeathNoodles]

Alex with Bloodtox had a few days to adapt and the first encounters were fatal for him, while the manipulation of Ether should work to stop him by applying it during the course of the fight and then capturing/incapacitating him.

A few days is honestly the lowest of low-ball estimates. Prototype 1 never gave a timeframe for how long it took between the missions after day 3 of Infection day. It could've easily been a couple of minutes in-between missions for Alex to adapt to Bloodtox.

The more accurate estimate of his Reactive Evolution would be within a matter of a few minutes or even a few seconds via scaling to a similar feat; he absorbed a regular Hunter with compatible DNA, which adapted to the Parasite (and the Parasite also has Blacklight's very hax-based assimilation abilities) in a matter of a minute and a half (or 91 seconds based on my counting of how long it took)... And Alex gained all of that regular Hunter's abilities upon absorbing it, and that should include its Reactive Evolution abilities as well.

With how good Alex's regenerative abilities are, combined with his Viral physiology, I honestly don't think a few minutes is even enough for Ether to be able to incapacitate him in such a short timeframe.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Yeah, Alex's ability to evolve is crazy. Sure, I think Ether being as esoteric as it is will definitely trip up his body's response to the effects, especially with the resistance negation, but Alex has already dealt with these abilities before in some way, shape or form enough for his body to acclimate again to this relatively new phenomena. I'm sure he'd be absolutely fascinated by it too considering his background and everything, though again, given the kind of situation he's in and what he thinks is happening here he might have to kill them just to play things safe once he realizes how totally out of his element he is here even if he probably wouldn't do that normally when it comes to people not related to the military or Blackwatch since you there's literally an achievement for avoiding civilian casualties as much as possible and he generally has more of a moral compass than the human he's based on.

 

[Pyro9278]

I think a key hax would be memory manipulation or anything that induces mental effects in Alex, since the other effects might take a while to appear or he might adapt to them very quickly, so perhaps they could restrain him with that at least, and considering the speed gap it shouldn't be difficult to attack him with that

 

[DeathNoodles]

I think a key hax would be memory manipulation or anything that induces mental effects in Alex, since the other effects might take a while to appear or he might adapt to them very quickly, so perhaps they could restrain him with that at least, and considering the speed gap it shouldn't be difficult to attack him with that

I mean, Resistance to Mind Manipulation is listed in Alex's profile, so even that working on Alex is arguable at most.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think a key hax would be memory manipulation or anything that induces mental effects in Alex, since the other effects might take a while to appear or he might adapt to them very quickly, so perhaps they could restrain him with that at least, and considering the speed gap it shouldn't be difficult to attack him with that

The problem with that is the window of opportunity is going to be small even with the speed gap. Cross was able to use it once to inject Alex with the Parasite and borderline knocked him out but the second he took his eyes off of Alex he had disappeared from his sight and that was a guy who was comparable to him to some degree. This weakness never happens again to that same degree after that fight.

 

[Sooshirohl]

The problem with that is the window of opportunity is going to be small even with the speed gap. Cross was able to use it once to inject Alex with the Parasite and borderline knocked him out but the second he took his eyes off of Alex he had disappeared from his sight and that was a guy who was comparable to him to some degree. This weakness never happens again to that same degree after that fight.

i'd also like to add onto the fact that ether corruption effects aren't really specific. as in, zhu yuan can't just choose for alex to specifically get hit with it's mind manip stuff, she kind of just has to hope the ether corruption specifically hits him with the mind hax and not it's other effects, most of which alex resists. it wouldn't really be as big of an issue if the other effects were hampering alex but the fact that he resists practically all of them means it's just going to be really hard to actually hamper him down with mind stuff (and again, that's ignoring the fact that alex seems to resist mind hax anyways so i don't even think it'd work on him)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

i'd also like to add onto the fact that ether corruption effects aren't really specific. as in, zhu yuan can't just choose for alex to specifically get hit with it's mind manip stuff, she kind of just has to hope the ether corruption specifically hits him with the mind hax and not it's other effects, most of which alex resists. it wouldn't really be as big of an issue if the other effects were hampering alex but the fact that he resists practically all of them means it's just going to be really hard to actually hamper him down with mind stuff (and again, that's ignoring the fact that alex seems to resist mind hax anyways so i don't even think it'd work on him)

Yeah. Again, at best the fact that its the same abilities but from a more esoteric source might trip up his body's reactive response to it at first but since its known effects he's handled before he'll adapt faster than usual. Also not for nothing, Alex is an absolute monster when it comes to stealth and if they lose sight of him for even a second, they're screwed. All he has to do is tap them to win.

 

[Sooshirohl]

if this isn't a stomp i think alex decisively wins, but i'mmmm not really sure if the pubsec duo can do like, anything here?

they take AP and speed sure but that doesn't really matter when alex's regen and immortality mean that they pretty much have zero ways to actually kill him. restraining him is basically going to be impossible too even if they both try to pin him down at the same time. and he resists pretty much all of ether's effects so i don't even think they'd be able to win off incap with that

 

[Pyro9278]

I mean, Resistance to Mind Manipulation is listed in Alex's profile, so even that working on Alex is arguable at most.

Technically yes, but since we have distinctions in things like Time Stop and Time Manipulation in hax, still resisting mind control wouldn't save it from any other effect like memory manipulation.

The problem with that is the window of opportunity is going to be small even with the speed gap. Cross was able to use it once to inject Alex with the Parasite and borderline knocked him out but the second he took his eyes off of Alex he had disappeared from his sight and that was a guy who was comparable to him to some degree. This weakness never happens again to that same degree after that fight.

I don't think Cross is entirely comparable to Alex, especially since there were many more elements involved in their fight. In this case, we're talking about two people who are presumably more skilled and stronger than Cross.

 

[Pyro9278]

if this isn't a stomp i think alex decisively wins, but i'mmmm not really sure if the pubsec duo can do like, anything here?

they take AP and speed sure but that doesn't really matter when alex's regen and immortality mean that they pretty much have zero ways to actually kill him. restraining him is basically going to be impossible too even if they both try to pin him down at the same time. and he resists pretty much all of ether's effects so i don't even think they'd be able to win off incap with that

Switching to Yixuan would make it fairer, or would it just be the same situation?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Technically yes, but since we have distinctions in things like Time Stop and Time Manipulation in hax, still resisting mind control wouldn't save it from any other effect like memory manipulation.

I don't think Cross is entirely comparable to Alex, especially since there were many more elements involved in their fight. In this case, we're talking about two people who are presumably more skilled and stronger than Cross.

He was comparable enough to survive attacks and react to Alex in combat, yet the moment he took his eyes off of him for two seconds Alex was gone as if he was never there.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Switching to Yixuan would make it fairer, or would it just be the same situation?

ok yixuan would be kinda crazy lol

i assume you'd switch him to his 7-C key, in which case, uhhh i dunno. she still runs into the same problem where alex kinda just resists all of ether's effects. she might have options if stuff like purification or power null work against him otherwise i think she'd probably just get stamina/regen diffed

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Switching to Yixuan would make it fairer, or would it just be the same situation?

Does she have any different haxes that Alex doesn't already resist? His P&A is pretty damn stacked.

 

[Pyro9278]

He was comparable enough to survive attacks and react to Alex in combat, yet the moment he took his eyes off of him for two seconds Alex was gone as if he was never there.

I say this because Cross could have died at any moment after being absorbed, since it was a relatively advanced point in the story, and yet Alex let it go as if he were holding back.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Technically yes, but since we have distinctions in things like Time Stop and Time Manipulation in hax, still resisting mind control wouldn't save it from any other effect like memory manipulation.

Yeah, but the thing is, this is not a character that needs cells to operate. In fact, this isn't even a character that needs a brain to operate; he can and has operated in occassions even when his brain is damaged/gone.

Has Ether Manipulation ever manipulated memories of something that either doesn't have a brain or doesn't need a brain to operate?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I say this because Cross could have died at any moment after being absorbed, since it was a relatively advanced point in the story, and yet Alex let it go as if he were holding back.

....What...? Alex never absorbed Cross, what are you talking about? Cross doesn't get absorbed by the Supreme Hunter until almost another entire quarter of the game has passed.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Has Ether Manipulation ever manipulated memories of something that either doesn't have a brain or doesn't need a brain to operate?

not explicitly on-screen as far as i can recall but ether manipulation's other effects can affect robots and other machinery, both with and without consciousness so, maybe

 

[Pyro9278]

Yeah, but the thing is, this is not a character that needs cells to operate. In fact, this isn't even a character that needs a brain to operate; he can and has operated in occassions even when his brain is damaged/gone.

Has Ether Manipulation ever manipulated memories of something that either doesn't have a brain or doesn't need a brain to operate?

I don't think that having or not having a brain means he isn't affected when his entire consciousness is literally every cell of his body, and he was still affected by the Flashbacks at the beginning of the game, so you could say that he is at least vulnerable in that aspect

 

[Sooshirohl]

Does she have any different haxes that Alex doesn't already resist? His P&A is pretty damn stacked.

the main stuff would probably just be purification and power null. she also has stuff like deconstruction and paralysis inducement via pressure points but those aren't really things she uses in character/offensively

 

[Pyro9278]

....What...? Alex never absorbed Cross, what are you talking about? Cross doesn't get absorbed by the Supreme Hunter until almost another entire quarter of the game has passed.

Sorry, I'm not sure if I translated it wrong, but that's exactly what I mean. Cross could have died at any moment, absorbed by Alex, and he didn't do it deliberately. The ease with which he dealt with him shows that he's several times stronger, so he must have held back

 

[DeathNoodles]

not explicitly on-screen as far as i can recall but ether manipulation's other effects can affect robots and other machinery, both with and without consciousness so, maybe

The other effects seem pretty solid.

But, the Memory Manipulation effects are apparently the ones being discussed here; if the Memory Manipulation has not explicitly shown or stated to have such effects, then it affecting Alex's memories seems quite arguable already.

I don't think that having or not having a brain means he isn't affected when his entire consciousness is literally every cell of his body, and he was still affected by the Flashbacks at the beginning of the game, so you could say that he is at least vulnerable in that aspect

The flashbacks are from his brain specifically, which he only ever used things like processing the memories of those he absorbed or to... Well, remember the memories of the original Alexander J. Mercer with those flashbacks.

His brain actually isn't that necessary outside of these two factors.

Outside of that, Ether Manipulation needs explicit feats or statements of affecting consciousness of something that doesn't have a brain with its Memory Manipulation effects.

And no, he doesn't have cells; he has only virions and viruses that comprises his body.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Sorry, I'm not sure if I translated it wrong, but that's exactly what I mean. Cross could have died at any moment, absorbed by Alex, and he didn't do it deliberately. The ease with which he dealt with him shows that he's several times stronger, so he must have held back

Cross is an Infected. He is infected with Elizabeth Greene's virus.

Alex can't afford to absorb Cross instantly without weakening him first... Since resisting assimilation abilities is something every other notable Infected has in the game.

If Cross was just some un-infected human, it would be one thing, but he is actually an Infected.

 

[Pyro9278]

Cross is an Infected. He is infected with Elizabeth Greene's virus.

Alex can't afford to absorb Cross instantly without weakening him first... Since resisting assimilation abilities is something every other notable Infected has in the game.

If Cross was just some un-infected human, it would be one thing, but he is actually an Infected.

I didn't remember that, but it makes more sense then

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

wouldn't alex just try to consume them?

 

[Sooshirohl]

wouldn't alex just try to consume them?

i dunno how his consumption works but if he has to physically grab them for him to do that then it might be a bit tricky given their superior reaction speeds. zhu yuan would especially be hard to hit cause of vital view which'd just give her plenty of time to get out of the way of getting grabbed

although, that doesn't reaaaallly matter cause again, they can't kill him lol

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah ain't lie, this fight is a mismatch, and I don't think Yixuan would do any better too

 

[Pyro9278]

Alex was replaced by Alcina Dimitrescu.

 

[Sooshirohl]

this is definitely way more doable for the pubsec duo. given the two's general intelligence, the second they get dropped into the castle they're just going to rely on qingyi's enhanced senses and extrasensory perception to track down and figure out where exactly dimi is. i'm admittedly not sure how dimi will act in character but i think the pubsec duo will definitely try to get the element of surprise to get the jump on her. i guess dimi having prior knowledge of ether corruption is nice but it doesn't save her from the effects of it since she doesn't seem immune to any of them. she also isn't immune to qingyi's electricity manip so qingyi can just play offensively and repeatedly shock her over and over while ZY supports from the sideline and pelts her with bullets. given both of their superior LS' to dimi from the looks of it, it also means they can effectively pin her down to incap her if necessary. i think they'll go more for lethal force here, especially given A. the prior knowledge that she isn't human, B. the fact that they'll likely be able to see her regenerate from lethal wounds and C. the second she transforms and starts turning into that weird bug monster or whatever i think they'd pretty obviously deem her a threat

i'm not really sure how the daughters play a role into her fighting style (again i don't RE) but from the looks of it it does just seem like qingyi can act as the main offensive fighter while ZY harasses from the sidelines. zhu yuan still has vital view here to avoid taking lethal hits, and she can probably also leverage it to help get qingyi out of danger in the event she gets into a dangerous position

definitely seems like a pretty concrete W for the pubsec duo imo. they can definitely just stall long enough for her to get incapped by ether corruption. although again, i don't RE, so i'm not really super knowledgeable on what dimi can do

 

[Sooshirohl]

bump

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Should we call the RE peeps to come here?

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

I mean zhu can even kill wesker, one of strongest character in RE, what can even dimitrescu does here ?, not to mention her post mutation form, which is easier for zhu to use ether on, sorry I don't think this is a fair fight

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

on a second thought, I think I can try this
dimi's daughter can turn into a bunch of insect to avoid damage which really help them to avoid ether bullet, as for dimi, well I think ether will get her really bad

 

[Reploidnoridomix]

here the link to the daughter, as you guy can see bullet literally phase through them, they are only damaged when being freeze