High 6-A to 5-C Redux Tournament (2026): Heatblast (Ben 10 Classic) vs DOOM! (Mashle: Magic and Muscles) (Grace happened on Friday 8th May)

[AnAverageUsername]

What? No, Supernova hot has nothing to do with 4-B scaling

I dunno, says that it's far higher, don't know what else it could be

Can his telekinetic barriers withstand 6000°C heat?

Its telekinesis, duh. HB gets lifting strength mogged, the fire won't make it past the requirement.

Hex literally was using his barrier in fight to protects himself from Healthblast's fire. His Supernova isn't restricted, only 4-B scaling

Supernova seems to be far higher than 4-B as listed on his profile, and again, there's nothing to go off of for me to assume that barrier was TK.

A one-shot only applies at 8×, so Doom would need to be 10× stronger to one-shot Heatblast, while Heatblast just needs to use his fire to burn Doom. And surprise, Heatblast starts with massive fire explosions or burn the oxygen to prevent Doom from breathing.

Again, Doom one shot the attack that scales higher than HBs value, that's how it works. Because he one shot the higher value, he's one shotting HB.

His copies don't have any resistance to Heatblast's fire, they can't harm him until they have resistance with his fire.

If they have Doom's resistances, they can, since they're all as real as he is. And since Doom has high temperature resistances, or the option to just block it off completely, the copies can either bumrush HB or nuke him with a Nalcos.

Neither opponent has information about the other, so Doom wouldn't know what to do against Heatblast like he did with Mash; he literally started with only 30% and cqc

Which again, Doom can register as not being effective and switch tactics. This should be easy to understand.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Wait, does HB not resist fear manipulation

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I dunno, says that it's far higher, don't know what else it could be

4-B come from Vilgax scaling not Supernova tho

Its telekinesis, duh. HB gets lifting strength mogged, the fire won't make it past the requirement.

It still can be interact by Heatblast

Supernova seems to be far higher than 4-B as listed on his profile, and again, there's nothing to go off of for me to assume that barrier was TK.

No, Supernova are different from 4-B scaling.

Again, Doom one shot the attack that scales higher than HBs value, that's how it works. Because he one shot the higher value, he's one shotting HB.

Physical attacks wouldn’t work since Heatblast is made of his own fire. If Doom touches Heatblast, Doom would be completely burned into dust

If they have Doom's resistances, they can, since they're all as real as he is. And since Doom has high temperature resistances, or the option to just block it off completely, the copies can either bumrush HB or nuke him with a Nalcos.

1. Doom don't have any resistance to 6000°C or even 1B°C heat, meaning they would completely burns into dust
2. Doom can't touch Heatblast due to HB's fire
3. Doom's barriers don't have any resistance to fire

Which again, Doom can register as not being effective and switch tactics. This should be easy to understand.

It won't be an act because Heatblast's fire can burns Doom and it's 7265 times more stronger than him, so Heatblast would easily one-shotted Doom (30%)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Wait, does HB not resist fear manipulation

Ben has via Supernatural Willpower

 

[AnAverageUsername]

4-B come from Vilgax scaling not Supernova tho

If Supernova is him at his strongest, then it would be 4-B, would it not?

It still can be interact by Heatblast

Via...?

No, Supernova are different from 4-B scaling.

Ditto from up above

Physical attack wouldn't work since Heatblast are made of his own fire

I could've sworn I've seen HB get his shit rocked before by physical attacks, but even then, Doom has straight up crushed explosions in his hand and deflected light, he should be able to hurt HB, if not with spells like Nalcos.

1. Doom don't have any resistance to 6000°C or even 1B°C heat, meaning they would completely burns into dust

He has resistances up to 3000 (or should), but if that's not enough for the lower ends...

1. Doom can't touch Heatblast due to HB's fire

See above

1. Doom's barriers don't have any resistance to fire

That doesn't matter, they block shit with pure LS, that fire won't bypass it due to lacking the strength to bypass them

It won't be an act because Heatblast's fire can burns Doom and it's 7265 times more stronger than him, so Heatblast would easily one-shotted Doom (30%)

For one you're assuming we're using 30%, we are not, don't get ahead of yourself. Second, see above for the resistance arguments.

Ben has via Supernatural Willpower

Too bad this isn't Ben huh

 

[Lort15]

That doesn't matter, they block shit with pure LS, that fire won't bypass it due to lacking the strength to bypass them

yeah but heat can still melt it tho, it's not like they are immune to heat or AP

Too bad this isn't Ben huh

Heatblast is literally Ben what

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

If Supernova is him at his strongest, then it would be 4-B, would it not?

Dude, you don't really reading what it says

At least Multi-Continent level, at most Solar System level (Destroyed the Fountain of Youth as a four-year-old and should be stronger than that normally, also evaporated S.A.M. Fought against Rojo, and First Form Malware<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Heatblast#cite_note-AP/DB_1-2"><span>[</span>Statistics Values 1<span>]</span></a>)

His Supernova isn't "at most", so why it's from 4-B? 4-B come from take attacks from Vilgax

• Original Series & Omniverse Flashback Era characters scale to at least 5.71 Exatons (High 6-A) via scaling to the Great One’s durability, at most 104.226 GigaFoe (4-B) via downscaling from OS Vilgax who's 1/10th of his UAF self.

Via...?

We literally seen him burns Hex's berrie (He has NPI in Omnitrix's profile)

I could've sworn I've seen HB get his shit rocked before by physical attacks, but even then, Doom has straight up crushed explosions in his hand and deflected light, he should be able to hurt HB, if not with spells like Nalcos.

Some characters have resistance to his heat, so why would this apply to Doom when he doesn’t have any resistance to Heatblast’s fire? HB can dodge it (via his smoke) or repel it using his fire

He has resistances up to 3000 (or should), but if that's not enough for the lower ends...

"3000°C", Heatblast’s fire is at least 6000°C heat,

That doesn't matter, they block shit with pure LS, that fire won't bypass it due to lacking the strength to bypass them

It doesn't need strength to do it, as long as his berries don't have anything to do with Heatblast's fire, Heatblast would burns Doom

For one you're assuming we're using 30%, we are not, don't get ahead of yourself.

Fair

Second, see above for the resistance arguments.

It's has nothing to do with Heatblast's fire

Too bad this isn't Ben huh

What do you mean ? This is literally Ben

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Too bad this isn't Ben huh

The aliens are literally just "ben as this alien" and not the aliens themself...

Sorry @Ultimate-Rex1 replied to the wrong person...

 

[AnAverageUsername]

yeah but heat can still melt it tho, it's not like they are immune to heat or AP

I don't think pure telekinesis can melt, it's an invisible force, it doesn't make sense. It's like a wall of force when used as a barrier, such as when we see Domina make one against the Saint Ars candidates

Heatblast is literally Ben what

I was at work when it was about to get busy, but what I meant by "good thing this isn't Ben" was that it was just Heatblast submitted, and it's just Heatblast being used. I don't think Ben's stuff would be used here in this case, yeah?

Dude, you don't really reading what it says

His Supernova isn't "at most", so why it's from 4-B? 4-B come from take attacks from Vilgax

My head was banging at work so I assumed that Supernova was on the same level of the 4-B stuff since it was listed after that as a "far higher", I think I understand it now more as like, it's a "far higher" for both ends?

We literally seen him burns Hex's berrie (He has NPI in Omnitrix's profile)

Again, from what the video showed, there's nothing that showcased anything related to your point

Some characters have resistance to his heat, so why would this apply to Doom when he doesn’t have any resistance to Heatblast’s fire? HB can dodge it (via his smoke) or repel it using his fire

I don't know what having a resistance has to do with this point? In order to hit him you'd have to have NPI as you've implied, which Doom should have due to striking and holding pure elements like they're solid.

"3000°C", Heatblast’s fire is at least 6000°C heat,

Is heat exponential or something? 3000 is just half of that, produced by dragons that even basic students tackle, and Doom has regeneration on top of all that fueled by a poteeeeentially infinite magic supply. Or at least maybe it's infinite? We don't see him take a dosage of Innocent Zero's blood, but Delisaster implies they all took some to get infinite magic. Like a cheat code.

It doesn't need strength to do it, as long as his berries don't have anything to do with Heatblast's fire, Heatblast would burns Doom

This doesn't make sense to me, if it can block the fire by telekenetically pushing it all back like a barrier, then Doom wouldn't get burnt

Fair

It's has nothing to do with Heatblast's fire

Why is Heatblast's fire different from any other, i mean that is the kind of impression that I'm getting from this

What do you mean ? This is literally Ben

See above at line 2

The aliens are literally just "ben as this alien" and not the aliens themself...

Sorry @Ultimate-Rex1 replied to the wrong person...

Er, you too as well

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Too bad this isn't Ben huh

I think you misunderstood... it quite litterly is ben as Heatblast... Look on the profile....

• Superhuman Physical Characteristics
• Skilled Fighter (Is a transformation of Ben)

Intelligence: Gifted (Being a transformation of Ben, the aliens therefore gain his intelligence, skill and experience) | Extraordinary Genius (Being a transformation of Ben 10,000, the aliens therefore gain his intelligence, skill and experience)

also this...

• All the abilities provided by the Omnitrix

• All the resistances provided by the Omnitrix

So yeah... it quite litterly is Ben... (Just limit it to this alien only.)

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I think you misunderstood... it quite litterly is ben as Heatblast... Look on the profile....




also this...

So yeah... it quite litterly is Ben... (Just limit it to this alien only.)

Yeah I see that now, that's my fault, still a bit strange he doesn't have the same resistances though

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don't think pure telekinesis can melt, it's an invisible force, it doesn't make sense. It's like a wall of force when used as a barrier, such as when we see Domina make one against the Saint Ars candidates

Mana is also invisible force, if something are invisible doesn't mean he can resist anything, yh you just say anything when it's not in profile

I was at work when it was about to get busy, but what I meant by "good thing this isn't Ben" was that it was just Heatblast submitted, and it's just Heatblast being used. I don't think Ben's stuff would be used here in this case, yeah?

It's literally Ben who is the alien. It's a fight between Ben himself (as Heatblast) and Doom, so it obviously applies to Heatblast.

Again, from what the video showed, there's nothing that showcased anything related to your point

It literally shows Hex's berrier get melted by Heatblast,

I don't know what having a resistance has to do with this point? In order to hit him you'd have to have NPI as you've implied, which Doom should have due to striking and holding pure elements like they're solid.

You don't need to NPI, you just need enough resistance to his heat, which is 6000°C normally

Is heat exponential or something? 3000 is just half of that, produced by dragons that even basic students tackle, and Doom has regeneration on top of all that fueled by a poteeeeentially infinite magic supply. Or at least maybe it's infinite? We don't see him take a dosage of Innocent Zero's blood, but Delisaster implies they all took some to get infinite magic. Like a cheat code.

Half of 6000°C doesn't protect you from being burned to dust by 6000°C. You literally need resistance to 6000°C itself. Infinite magic doesn't matter either, because this isn't High 3-A or anything like that; it's just a statement, not actual heat or anything similar.

This doesn't make sense to me, if it can block the fire by telekenetically pushing it all back like a barrier, then Doom wouldn't get burnt

The point is, even if it were a barrier made by telekinetic power, it would still melt, as shown with Hex's barriers.

Why is Heatblast's fire different from any other, i mean that is the kind of impression that I'm getting from this

That's a clear difference: heat generation. Most fire can burn a human body, while this fire cannot. If Doom can only withstand 3000°C, that doesn't protect him from 6000°C or even 1B°C.

 

[Kachon123]

Doom FRA