Capture the Flag round 4! (Team B.I.G vs Team Huntress) (2-2-0)

[koopa3144]

Welcome to Round 4 of Capture the Flag!
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Spoiler: Rules copied from OG Tourney thread

Stat Equitization stuff:​

• All stats except range, stamina, and intelligence will be equalized to the weakest character in use.
• Amps and stat increases will be capped to a maximum multiplier of 2x. (I.e; if a character has a 10x amp, in this tournament the amp will be reduced to 4x)
  • Any one-shot or Blitz-level amps will also be capped at 2x.
• All characters will be able to interact and see each other naturally.

VS Thread Scenario:​

• The TF2 rules of Capture the Flag are being used.
  • Like in TF2, if someone carrying the Intelligence teleports or turns invisible the Intelligence will automatically drop off them
  • 20-minute rounds and Sudden Death is in play if the timer runs out.
  • Teams are informed of the rules before their matches.
• Fights will take place on one of TF2's CTF maps.
• Teams start in the maps' opposing Spawn rooms. Fighters will respawn in their teams' spawn rooms when killed or BFR'ed from the map after 20 seconds
• The Administrator, as the Announcer will inform fighters of their remaining time, if the Intelligence is picked up/dropped, etc. like in normal gameplay.
• The tournament winners will get a near-unlimited supply of raw Australium and Australium weapons
  • Competitors are informed of the properties of Australium and what it can be used for.
• All competitors retain memories of previous matches and have the option to spectate other matches as they occur.

Tournament Thread Rules:​

• 4 votes are needed for a thread to reach grace.
• If a user concedes the opposing team will advance.
• If a Team gets no arguments for around 2-4 days the opposing team will automatically go to the next round.
• If a thread gets no votes or the votes are tied, I will decide who I think advances based on the arguments given.
  • If my team is involved, however, I will coin-flip instead to prevent any bias on my part.

Team B.I.G (Earth Leviathan, Mag Agent: Torture, Shok.wav, The Agony): 1

Team Huntress (Hornet (Hollow Knight: Silksong), Huntress Wizard (Fionna and Cake), Weiss Schnee (Beacon Arc), Hoshimi Miyabi): 1

Incon: 0

Location: Well​

"Get fighting!"​

 

[MysticBrawler]

Here's Hornet's starting loadout:
Hunter's Crest-

• Red Tools(Flea Brew, Flintslate)
• Blue Tools(Weavelight, Warding Bell, Fractured Mask)
• Yellow Tools(Magnetite Dice, Silkspeed Anklets, Weighted Belt)

 

[MysticBrawler]

So among Team Huntress the one's most suited to getting the Intelligence would be either Hornet or Huntress Wizard since they're both skilled in tracking, on top of having the mobility needed to allow them to escape without too much trouble. Weiss and Miyabi can engage Mag Agent: Torture and Shok.wav in combat which they can easily incapacitate with their hax, which would leave only the Earth Leviathan and The Agony to deal with. The Agony is the only one that I could see the team having trouble with, but I think Hornet and Miyabi can handle him.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Friedoil11]

Well, I think that these two teams are kind of opposite. Most of the B.I.G are concentrated mostly on brutality and size, while Huntress are much smaller and skilled. Obviously, it's more complicated than this so that's why I'll wait a bit.

 

[koopa3144]

I wanna point out one big advatage that Team Huntress has is teamwork. While most of Team Huntress should be capable of planning and working together, 2/4 of team big are very Animalistic. Shok.wav is prob smart enough to at least understand the basic rules of Capture the Flag and try to win but the Earth Leviathan isn't and will likely attack it's teammates. Afton and Torture can communicate but idk how we'll they'll work together considering the formers ego and the latter's brutish nature.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump. Does the one representing Team B.I.G. know that this match has already started?

 

[Comiphorous]

I'm just going to go down the list of the opponents

Hornet;
-Immediately loses their weapon due to Afton's magnetism
-Physically wouldn't be able to move fast enough due to their size to get out of range of the Earth Leviathan jumping out of the ground and swallowing them whole.
-Skill doesn't make up for much against Mag Torture, since it has a history of mauling people who are more skilled than Hornet, and their weapon is so small it'd take an eternity to bypass Torture's stamina.
-Only person here who resists Afton's soul hax

Hunter Wizard;
-The only person here who doesn't immediately get ****** over by Afton
-Doesn't seem to have any fighting skills, so they get outskilled by Mag Torture of all people.
-Has no resistance to Afton's soul hax

Weiss Schnee;
-Has metal. they are going to lose their weapon to Afton
-Mag Torture resists their stunning hax, and going to go off on a limb here and say Madness Combat's skillslop ***** them over due to Torture
-Another victim of Afton's soul hax.

Miyabi;
-Weapon is an Afton magnetism victim
-Literally the only person here who i see as an actual threat to kill the entire team.
-No resistance to soul manipulation, victim of Afton's soul hax.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Lifting Strength is equalized here so I don't think anyone is losing their weapon to Afton's Magnetism, since one's LS needs to be greater than their opponent's in order to disarm them.

I'm just going to go down the list of the opponents

Hornet;
-Immediately loses their weapon due to Afton's magnetism
-Physically wouldn't be able to move fast enough due to their size to get out of range of the Earth Leviathan jumping out of the ground and swallowing them whole.
-Skill doesn't make up for much against Mag Torture, since it has a history of mauling people who are more skilled than Hornet, and their weapon is so small it'd take an eternity to bypass Torture's stamina.
-Only person here who resists Afton's soul hax

1)She has 2 speed boosting items equipped so I don't think that will be an issue, plus Huntress Wizard can be the one to handle the Earth Leviathan
2)She has Flintslate equipped which allows her to superheat her needle to burn her opponents and set them ablaze with her strikes

Hunter Wizard;
-The only person here who doesn't immediately get ****** over by Afton
-Doesn't seem to have any fighting skills, so they get outskilled by Mag Torture of all people.
-Has no resistance to Afton's soul hax

Mag Torture won't be too much of a problem for Weiss and Miyabi since they can incapacitate him using their flash-freezing hax.
She does have Astral Projection so she might be capable of avoiding Afton's soul hax.

Weiss Schnee;
-Has metal. they are going to lose their weapon to Afton
-Mag Torture resists their stunning hax, and going to go off on a limb here and say Madness Combat's skillslop ***** them over due to Torture
-Another victim of Afton's soul hax.

The Dust that Weiss regularly uses is Ice so it's more likely that she'll flash-freeze him instead of stunning him.
She does have an Aura(life-force) barrier so she might be capable of blocking Afton's soul hax.

Miyabi;
-Weapon is an Afton magnetism victim
-Literally the only person here who i see as an actual threat to kill the entire team.
-No resistance to soul manipulation, victim of Afton's soul hax.

Well she doesn't really need to be the one to engage Afton here, though beating the rest of the team would definitely make it easier to deal with him.

 

[Comiphorous]

Lifting Strength is equalized here so I don't think anyone is losing their weapon to Afton's Magnetism, since one's LS needs to be greater than their opponent's in order to disarm them.

They don't have prior knowledge, the second he begins pulling their weapons in with magnetism they're already ****** and their weapons would be long gone into Afton's body.

1)She has 2 speed boosting items equipped so I don't think that will be an issue, plus Huntress Wizard can be the one to handle the Earth Leviathan
2)She has Flintslate equipped which allows her to superheat her needle to burn her opponents and set them ablaze with her strikes

Both of those options require her to know she's about to get consumed by something that's the equivalent size of godzilla to her, and neither of those options even help killing Mag Torture since he's also way too big for that to do anything to him.

The Dust that Weiss regularly uses is Ice so it's more likely that she'll flash-freeze him instead of stunning him.
She does have an Aura(life-force) barrier so she might be capable of blocking Afton's soul hax.

Nevadeans are unaffected from temperatures when the sun was abruptly destroyed.
aura with life-force doesn't stop soul manipulation.

Well she doesn't really need to be the one to engage Afton here so here beating the rest of the team would make it easier to deal with him.

that relies on the others beating them, which isn't garenteed considering they're all hard to keep down, or it's the earth leviathan which is underground.

 

[MysticBrawler]

They don't have prior knowledge, the second he begins pulling their weapons in with magnetism they're already ****** and their weapons would be long gone into Afton's body.

I'm pretty sure everyone in Team Huntress is preceptive enough to be able to tell when their weapon is being pulled so they moment they notice it they can just tighten their grip to prevent themselves from getting disarmed.

Both of those options require her to know she's about to get consumed by something that's the equivalent size of godzilla to her, and neither of those options even help killing Mag Torture since he's also way too big for that to do anything to him.

Even if she does end up getting swallowed by the Earth Leviathan she can easily burst out using any of he r Silk Skills so that won't be much of an issue.
Mag Torture has no resistance to Hot temperatures so chances are once Hornet lights him on fire he'll just die then and there.

Nevadeans are unaffected from temperatures when the sun was abruptly destroyed.

Even if he doesn't die from it he'll still be incapacitated by it since he won't have any leverage to exert the force needed to break out of the ice.

aura with life-force doesn't stop soul manipulation.

Fair enough

that relies on the others beating them, which isn't garenteed considering they're all hard to keep down, or it's the earth leviathan which is underground.

Aside from The Agony I don't really see Team Huntress struggling much with the other 3 members.

 

[Comiphorous]

I'm pretty sure everyone in Team Huntress is preceptive enough to be able to tell when their weapon is being pulled so they moment they notice it they can just tighten their grip to prevent themselves from getting disarmed.

Yeah i'm calling bullshit. they don't have prior knowledge. without knowledge their weapons are going to fling off their body immediately into afton. What is there tell?

Even if she does end up getting swallowed by the Earth Leviathan she can easily burst out using any of he r Silk Skills so that won't be much of an issue.

I don't see immortality type 2 on the profile, nor any resistance that would warrant the ability to survive being consumed alive.

Mag Torture has no resistance to Hot temperatures so chances are once Hornet lights him on fire he'll just die then and there.

Yeah we'll light the smallest part of mag torture's body on fire and that will somehow kill someone with the stamina to have flesh stripped down to bones?

Even if he doesn't die from it he'll still be incapacitated by it since he won't have any leverage to exert the force needed to break out of the ice.

Oh no, i was telling you theres no way in hell their temperature manipulation is cold enough to freeze him in the first place.

Aside from The Agony I don't really see Team Huntress struggling much with the other 3 members.

Which is silly because 3/4 of the people either get skillslopped into oblivion, one shot via being consumed alive, or is hornet.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Yeah i'm calling bullshit. they don't have prior knowledge. without knowledge their weapons are going to fling off their body immediately into afton. What is there tell?

The fact that they start the fight with their weapons already in hand? If they started the fight with their weapons still sheathed and/or strapped to their hips then I could see this working for Afton, but seeing as they would be already holding their weapons here I just don't see how they wouldn't be able to notice their weapons being pulled.

I don't see immortality type 2 on the profile, nor any resistance that would warrant the ability to survive being consumed alive.

Regeneration (High-Low. Hornet recovers quickly from damage, with marks on her shell suffered in a lost spar vanishing completely by the time of her next rematch.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hornet_(Hollow_Knight)#cite_note-shakragm-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> Withstood her interiors being drilled into by Yarnaby's Extricator and seemingly healed afterwards, being none the worse for wear<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hornet_(Hollow_Knight)#cite_note-yarn-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a>), Resistance to Acid Manipulation (Can withstand acid explosions from Miremites and Swamp Squits, which are lethal to other bugs)
Hornet is also was able to withstand Groal the Great's stomach acid whenever he ingest her so I think it's safe to say that she'll be fine.

Yeah we'll light the smallest part of mag torture's body on fire and that will somehow kill someone with the stamina to have flesh stripped down to bones?

If Hornet burns off his limbs then he won't be able to fight back even if he does survive it.

Oh no, i was telling you theres no way in hell their temperature manipulation is cold enough to freeze him in the first place.

It's not Temperature Manipulation it's Ice Manipulation, and what I'm saying is even if he isn't affected by the cold he'll still end up being incased in ice, which he won't be able break out off since he wouldn't be able to move(and thus wouldn't be able to exert any force).

Which is silly because 3/4 of the people either get skillslopped into oblivion, one shot via being consumed alive, or is hornet.

Wrong on all accounts. 2 members of your team are animalistic, meaning they'll only act on instinct and won't be able to perform any kind of complex strategy and thus can be easily taken out by anyone from Team Huntress. Which in turn means that this will quickly turn into a 4 vs 2(or more likely a 3 vs 2 since 1 member will be going after the Intelligence) so I'd say the odds are in my team's favor.

 

[Comiphorous]

The fact that they start the fight with their weapons already in hand? If they started the fight with their weapons still sheathed and/or strapped to their hips then I could see this working for Afton, but seeing as they would be already holding their weapons here I just don't see how they wouldn't be able to notice their weapons being pulled.

Because then they have to focus on afton instead of the three other things. LS is equal, they’d still have to physically resist his magnetism for them not get it ripped from their hands. That doesn’t even get into the fact if they hit afton with the weapon he could use that contact to add it to his body.

Regeneration (High-Low. Hornet recovers quickly from damage, with marks on her shell suffered in a lost spar vanishing completely by the time of her next rematch.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hornet_(Hollow_Knight)#cite_note-shakragm-13"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a> Withstood her interiors being drilled into by Yarnaby's Extricator and seemingly healed afterwards, being none the worse for wear<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hornet_(Hollow_Knight)#cite_note-yarn-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a>), Resistance to Acid Manipulation (Can withstand acid explosions from Miremites and Swamp Squits, which are lethal to other bugs)
Hornet is also was able to withstand Groal the Great's stomach acid whenever he ingest her so I think it's safe to say that she'll be fine.

High-Low doesn’t let you survive being melted by stomach acid, and basic acid manipulation resistance does not help when the earth leviathan can eat old birds and company vehicles.

If Hornet burns off his limbs then he won't be able to fight back even if he does survive it.

Look at me dead in the eyes and tell me how Hornet can cut off floating limbs, ignoring the fact hornet is so small that’d take **** all forever to do.

It's not Temperature Manipulation it's Ice Manipulation, and what I'm saying is even if he isn't affected by the cold he'll still end up being incased in ice, which he won't be able break out off since he wouldn't be able to move(and thus wouldn't be able to exert any force).

Floating limbs stop that, and simply walking would break the ice due to causing minor shockwaves when it walks.

Wrong on all accounts. 2 members of your team are animalistic, meaning they'll only act on instinct and won't be able to perform any kind of complex strategy and thus can be easily taken out by anyone from Team Huntress. Which in turn means that this will quickly turn into a 4 vs 2(or more likely a 3 vs 2 since 1 member will be going after the Intelligence) so I'd say the odds are in my team's favor.

Again, having equal AP doesn’t mean you can just cleave through something 20 times their size. The earth leviathan alone is an issue since it’s primarily underground. You’ve yet to give any evidence they could could do anything toward the earth leviathan since none of them can go UNDERGROUND before it comes up and swallows them whole.

Shit, 4v2? Anyone who tries fighting torture gets outskilled and can’t put the ****** down, Hornet is so small she can’t do any meaningful damage, and the other two are the only two who can put up a fight but ultimately likely lose due to having to go untouched from Afton while dodging shots from torture, a guy who can tag people with instinctive action.

 

[koopa3144]

Not voting yet, but from what I'm seeing, Team B.I.G's arguments are looking stronger rn.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Because then they have to focus on afton instead of the three other things. LS is equal, they’d still have to physically resist his magnetism for them not get it ripped from their hands. That doesn’t even get into the fact if they hit afton with the weapon he could use that contact to add it to his body.

All members of Team Huntress has mid-long ranged options for attacking so they don't actually need to directly attack with their weapon in order to damage Afton.

High-Low doesn’t let you survive being melted by stomach acid, and basic acid manipulation resistance does not help when the earth leviathan can eat old birds and company vehicles.

Nothing in it's profile states/implies that it's stomach acid is more potent than a normal living being so I don't think you can use this argument.

Look at me dead in the eyes and tell me how Hornet can cut off floating limbs, ignoring the fact hornet is so small that’d take **** all forever to do.

You seem to be seriously underestimating the amount of damage Hornet can do here. Just so you know Hornet is 59 centimeters tall and her weapon is the same size as her. In other words she's as tall as a capybara and is wielding a weapon that's the same length as a kopesh or a gladius so the amount of damage she'll be doing here will by no means be minor, especially since she can superheat her needle to make it easier to cut through Mag Torture.

Floating limbs stop that, and simply walking would break the ice due to causing minor shockwaves when it walks.

When I say his entire body will be incased in ice I'm naturally including his floating limbs in that statement. And how is he even supposed to create shockwaves when he won't even be able to move here?

Again, having equal AP doesn’t mean you can just cleave through something 20 times their size. The earth leviathan alone is an issue since it’s primarily underground. You’ve yet to give any evidence they could could do anything toward the earth leviathan since none of them can go UNDERGROUND before it comes up and swallows them whole.

Are you being serious right now? All of Team Huntress has Enhanced Senses so what makes you think they wouldn't be able to notice the Earth Leviathan once it starts to resurface and get out of the way? And they all have the means to get out if ever they do get swallowed by it, which is already very unlikely to happen.

Shit, 4v2? Anyone who tries fighting torture gets outskilled and can’t put the ****** down, Hornet is so small she can’t do any meaningful damage, and the other two are the only two who can put up a fight but ultimately likely lose due to having to go untouched from Afton while dodging shots from torture, a guy who can tag people with instinctive action.

I find that hard to believe when Mag Torture is only listed as being Above Average in combat while Weiss and Miyabi are both listed as Gifted(Weiss is said to be the smartest member of her team both in and out of combat, while Miyabi is stated to have prodigious talent when it come to martial arts and swordsmanship), while Hornet is a Genius. The only one who you could reasonably assume would be outskilled by Mag Torture is Huntress Wizard who is likely to be the one going after the Intelligence, and thus won't be engaging him in combat.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

Team B.I.G FRA

 

[koopa3144]

Team B.I.G FRA

counted!

 

[MysticBrawler]

Team B.I.G FRA

I question what it is you see in Team B.I.G, that makes you think they're more likely to win here.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I question what it is you see in Team B.I.G, that makes you think they're more likely to win here.

The entire arguments for them?

I mean votin' has to start at some point and Comi hasn't responded to ya, so I picked who I thought would win from prior knowledge and arguments presented.

 

[MysticBrawler]

The entire arguments for them?

I mean votin' has to start at some point and Comi hasn't responded to ya, so I picked who I thought would win from prior knowledge and arguments presented.

Ok, what about this then?

Wrong on all accounts. 2 members of your team are animalistic, meaning they'll only act on instinct and won't be able to perform any kind of complex strategy and thus can be easily taken out by anyone from Team Huntress. Which in turn means that this will quickly turn into a 4 vs 2(or more likely a 3 vs 2 since 1 member will be going after the Intelligence) so I'd say the odds are in my team's favor.

I also don't think it's reasonable for Comiphorous to say that Mag Torture would be capable of outskilling all of the members of Team Huntress when he's only listed as Above Average in combat while 3 members are Gifted and Hornet is a Genius, on top of being outnumbered and outhaxed.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ok, what about this then?

I also don't think it's reasonable for Comiphorous to say that Mag Torture is capable of outskilling all of the members of Team Huntress when he's only listed as Above Average in combat while 3 members are Gifted and Hornet is a Genius, on top of being outnumbered and outhaxed.

Combat Intelligence ratings don't exist anymore. If any of your characters have them, the ratings should be summarily deleted.

Anywho... as someone who knows Madness Combat well enough, yeah that is the mother of all claims to make.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Combat Intelligence ratings don't exist anymore. If any of your characters have them, the ratings should be summarily deleted.

The rating that I listed for my team are all general intelligence so there's no problem there

 

[DaReaperMan]

The rating that I listed for my team are all general intelligence so there's no problem there

Okay and? Why are you dropping them as if general intelligence is some huge thing to be concerned about to stop something a survivable as a MAG Agent? Let alone their most survivable member?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Okay and? Why are you dropping them as if general intelligence is some huge thing to be concerned about to stop something a survivable as a MAG Agent? Let alone their most survivable member?

I was just clarifying since it seemed like you were implying that I listed of combat intelligence ratings for my Team. So I take it your still still voting for Team B.I.G then?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I was just clarifying since it seemed like you were implying that I listed of combat intelligence ratings for my Team. So I take it your still still voting for Team B.I.G then?

Yeh. The main issue is honestly Agony and the fact three out of four of your team just get their shit absorbed by Afton. All Four if you think Hornet's nail is made of metal.

Mag Agent: Torture is just the unstoppable force to go with that immovable object cake.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Yeh. The main issue is honestly Agony and the fact three out of four of your team just get their shit absorbed by Afton. All Four if you think Hornet's nail is made of metal.

Yeah Afton really is the only one in Team B.I.G who would fairly problematic for Team Huntress to deal with. With that said, I don't think his Magnetism Manipulation would be much of an issue since Lifting Strength is equalized and everyone in Team Huntress has ranged attacks so they can just keep their distance instead of directly attacking with their weapons. And Hornet can actually counter Afton's Magnetism Manipulation by superheating her needle since hot metals can't be magnetized.

Mag Agent: Torture is just the unstoppable force to go with that immovable object cake.

I don't know, this guy seems very much stoppable considering they can be easily incased in ice by Weiss, or cut to pieces by Hornet or Miyabi

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump. Just a reminder that the main objective in this match is securing the intelligence, so if this turns into a 4 vs 2(and later a 4 vs 1 when Mag Torture gets incapacitated) then Afton won't be able to get Team Huntress' Intelligence since he'll be busy dealing with them while 1 member of Team Huntress can freely go and secure the Intelligence enough times to get the win.

 

[koopa3144]

Little breakdown from my perspective; Agony being able to absorb their weapons harms them a lot (A lack of weapon pretty badly cripples Weiss in this key iirc and Agony absorbing her stuff takes away a lot of Hornets options especially if he takes her nail) and makes it much harder to deal with the rest of the team (Torture, Shock.Wav and the Earth Leviathan especially are gonna be hard to take down with just physical attacks). I will note that everyone gets all their equipment back on respawn so their not permanently screwed over, but a team member having to die and wait 20 seconds for the respawn is gonna make it easier for B.I.G to advance during that time.

The big advantage Huntress has is their stealth. I feel like Hornet and Huntress Wizard are capable of sneaking past B.I.G and getting into their base (Bonus points if they use the Water Access) and since I doubt B.I.G would leave anyone to protect the intel they should be get it and get out. Although that would leave the rest of their team in a 4v2 (or a 4v3 if only one goes) which they might be able to manage since the Earth Leviathan wouldn't be crazy present in a team fight (since it can be avoided easily if Team Huntress know it's tells) making in more of a 3v3/3v2. Best case for them; Huntress member go in B.I.G's base, gets their intel, gets back to their base and caps, the other members use crits to push back B.I.G, repeat two more times to win.

I feel like this comes down to if Huntress can stall Team B.I.G long enough for a member to cap, which is gonna be hard without their weapons but not impossible.
Ngl I was leaning B.I.G before I typed this by I may have convinced myself to start leaning towards Huntress taking this.

 

[koopa3144]

Bump!

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm just going to go down the list of the opponents

Hornet;
-Immediately loses their weapon due to Afton's magnetism
-Physically wouldn't be able to move fast enough due to their size to get out of range of the Earth Leviathan jumping out of the ground and swallowing them whole.
-Skill doesn't make up for much against Mag Torture, since it has a history of mauling people who are more skilled than Hornet, and their weapon is so small it'd take an eternity to bypass Torture's stamina.
-Only person here who resists Afton's soul hax

Hunter Wizard;
-The only person here who doesn't immediately get ****** over by Afton
-Doesn't seem to have any fighting skills, so they get outskilled by Mag Torture of all people.
-Has no resistance to Afton's soul hax

Weiss Schnee;
-Has metal. they are going to lose their weapon to Afton
-Mag Torture resists their stunning hax, and going to go off on a limb here and say Madness Combat's skillslop ***** them over due to Torture
-Another victim of Afton's soul hax.

Miyabi;
-Weapon is an Afton magnetism victim
-Literally the only person here who i see as an actual threat to kill the entire team.
-No resistance to soul manipulation, victim of Afton's soul hax.

Weiss resists soul hax and does not need her weapon to fight as all of her powers come directly from her, and no actually, Rwby is vastly more skilled than madness combat

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Floating limbs stop that, and simply walking would break the ice due to causing minor shockwaves when it walks.

Unless those shockwaves are small city level it won't break her ice

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Little breakdown from my perspective; Agony being able to absorb their weapons harms them a lot (A lack of weapon pretty badly cripples Weiss in this key iirc and Agony absorbing her stuff takes away a lot of Hornets options especially if he takes her nail) and makes it much harder to deal with the rest of the team (Torture, Shock.Wav and the Earth Leviathan especially are gonna be hard to take down with just physical attacks). I will note that everyone gets all their equipment back on respawn so their not permanently screwed over, but a team member having to die and wait 20 seconds for the respawn is gonna make it easier for B.I.G to advance during that time.

The big advantage Huntress has is their stealth. I feel like Hornet and Huntress Wizard are capable of sneaking past B.I.G and getting into their base (Bonus points if they use the Water Access) and since I doubt B.I.G would leave anyone to protect the intel they should be get it and get out. Although that would leave the rest of their team in a 4v2 (or a 4v3 if only one goes) which they might be able to manage since the Earth Leviathan wouldn't be crazy present in a team fight (since it can be avoided easily if Team Huntress know it's tells) making in more of a 3v3/3v2. Best case for them; Huntress member go in B.I.G's base, gets their intel, gets
I feel like this comes down to if Huntress can stall Team B.I.G long enough for a member to cap, which is gonna be hard without their weapons but not impossible.
Ngl I was leaning B.I.G before I typed this by I may have convinced myself to start leaning towards Huntress taking this.

Once again Weiss does not need a weapon to fight, her glyphs come entire from herself, not her weapon

 

[koopa3144]

Unless those shockwaves are small city level it won't break her ice

Gonna note that stats are equal here, and everyone is gonna be 9-A cause of the rules.

Stat Equitization stuff:​

• All stats except range, stamina, and intelligence will be equalized to the weakest character in use.
• Amps and stat increases will be capped to a maximum multiplier of 2x. (I.e; if a character has a 10x amp, in this tournament the amp will be reduced to 4x)
  • Any one-shot or Blitz-level amps will also be capped at 2x.
• All characters will be able to interact and see each other naturally.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Gonna note that stats are equal here, and everyone is gonna be 9-A cause of the rules.

Fair enough, though the other points still stand, Weiss doesn't need her weapon to use her powers, she is stupidly skilled even compared to madness combat, and rwby characters in general have a very strong resistance to soul hax, being unhindered by having their soul cut in half twice and having their soul drained to almost nothing

 

[koopa3144]

Bump! Leaning towards Huntress still. If no new response comes for Team B.I.G, I'll prob be voting for Team Huntress.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[koopa3144]

Welp, nothing new has come up, so I'ma vote huntress for now. Since it's 1-1 rn. If the votes are the same in a day or two, we'll flip a coin.

 

[Friedoil11]

I think I'll vote the Team Huntress