JJK Speed Revisions (AKA Projection Sorcery 2: Electric Boogaloo)

[Rogue_Forge]

Reread.

Why don't you just send the page where it stated that

Yes we all know that.

Her training made her unlock the ability to sense shit. That's why I say we come to realize that was what Maki meant by Toji could handle that speed.

She got physically stronger and is now concentrated, when before she wasn't concentrated and was weaker

 

[Arkenis]

Why don't you just send the page where it stated that

 

[Kooliooooo]

During my re-reading I learned that Maki absolutely was mentally nerfed and the story literally tells you

Miyo, after easily beating Maki, says that she cant concentrate, and that she wouldn't allow herself to grow stronger from teachers before (literally nerfing herself through her own mentality, which is the textbook definition of a mental nerf)

After her 1000 matches with Daido, she both easily beats him head on and is stated to "see the light" which is likely implying she accepted allowing herself to grow stronger through the teaching of others

And she definitely got physically stronger too, she fought him over a thousand times, thats a shit ton of training right there

There is no logical way to say she wasn't mentally nerfed when the story actively says she was in multiple ways

Her lack of focus stemmed from her confusion on the difference between her and Toji. What Daido and Toji can see, how they are what they are, is what is distracting her. A lot of this is potential based, including the indifference towards having a teacher.
She beats Miyo easily, is at her best version, and according to the editor (I believe), sees the light. This is all after having been informed that freedom comes from developing outside of the actual confrontation itself. From having a complete analysis and realization of the circumstances/environment and a complete sense of everyone involved. This seems to be both a mental and perception-based development (not perception speed/reaction time). Regarding mentality, Maki is now less concerned with the intricacies of the battle and the victor but, instead, with these differences aspects “outside of the ring”. She also straight up gains the ability to see imperceptible information such as variances in temperature and air pressure, hence the perception-based development I mentioned. It is through these improvements that she reaches top form. However, not once is her physical prowess emphasized.
And it shouldn’t, she was already as strong as Toji technically, based on all the statements and implications from the manga itself and other sources like popularity polls. It’d be weird for her to get the same freedom as Toji, but then have a superior physical prowess, yet remain equal to him nonetheless.
Through all of this, nothing indicates her actual reaction time or speed had a literal growth specific to her physical and cognitive abilities.
About the contrast you mentioned somewhere else between Maki initially not seeing vs then seeing Naoya; that’s sort of a little too simplistic. She clearly scales off Womb Naoya to a degree. Spirit Naoya’s Mach 3 blitz on her was off to the side, where she had to turn and face him, and her shocked expression demonstrates that she still noticed Naoya incoming but didn’t have the speed to do anything about it.
Maki later dodging a sped-up Naoya from a considerable distance is pretty consistent with her having the same physical stats as before, but also a much better read on and knowledge of Naoya’s movements.

To touch on Kenjaku, his dodge on Piercing Blood can be “casual”, that’s fine. As long as we hold to the ‘evading punches’ constraints, we have Kenjaku essentially reacting to an unknown Supersonic, possibly baseline, value from a considerable distance while aware and confident. This can be done by a Transonic or Subsonic+ character

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

idk what's going on with this crt atp but i just wanna clarify that, thanks to this crt, the maki bullet dodge was recalced to and accepted as Mach 0.58 so really cg yuji (and really, anyone who wcales to GW Maki) should scale to that an not the mach 0.35 (jjk profile as in a constant state of flux and being wack so that's probably why it hasn't been added sooner)

 

[Qurbonboev]

accepted

It got only 1 vote. OP closed it and made another attempt to apply them(so speed wouldn't be burdened by construction technique part), unsuccessfully.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Welp time to start JJK bump hell

Also for some reason it removed my notifs on my own thread, weird

 

[Qurbonboev]

Welp time to start JJK bump hell

Also for some reason it removed my notifs on my own thread, weird

Half of this thread is arguing about validity of caps. Most sups don't care about whether their favs have subsonic or subsonic+ speed (and I won't blame them).

This is how I would structure speed scaling of everyone that is influenced by changes
Blitz above Subsonic+, maybe Transonic(it's 1.23x gap, upscale could potentially work, but I am unsure):
15F/16F Sukuna (blitzed Ryu)
Post-awakening Gojo (Blitzed Toji)
JJK0 Gojo (at least faster than before)
Miguel (kept up with JJK0 Gojo
Yorozu (kept up with casual 16F Sukuna)
MBA (blitzed Weakened Sukuna, who could react to base Kashimo)
Shibuya Mahoraga (reflected dismantles from 15F Sukuna)
Subsonic+:
Maki (Did feat)
Post chapter 213 Yuji (Fought together with Maki)
Yuta (Leader of heavy hitters)
Jackpot Hakari (Should be at least relative to Yuta)
Sendai colony fighters (relative to Yuta)
Base Kashimo (kept up with Jackpot Hakari)
Kenjaku (one of the strongest fighters)
Yuki (fought against Kenjaku)
3F Sukuna (has own feat in this range)
Subsonic:
Yuji (faster than Maki, who did feat)
Choso (relative)
Base Hakari (kept up with that Yuji)
Bernard (barely kept up with Base Hakari)
Uraume (girl is walking anti feat. Barely blocked PB. If she is on speed level of Jackpot, she kills Base Hakari due to speed diff and no RCT. Should be at level of Base Hakari)

Outline what you think should be changed. I will change things. With your vote CRT would need only another two staff votes(which you would tag)

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Half of this thread is arguing about validity of caps. Most sups don't care about whether their favs have subsonic or subsonic+ speed (and I won't blame them).

This is how I would structure speed scaling of everyone that is influenced by changes
Blitz above Subsonic+, maybe Transonic(it's 1.23x gap, upscale could potentially work, but I am unsure):
15F/16F Sukuna (blitzed Ryu)
Post-awakening Gojo (Blitzed Toji)
JJK0 Gojo (at least faster than before)
Miguel (kept up with JJK0 Gojo
Yorozu (kept up with casual 16F Sukuna)
MBA (blitzed Weakened Sukuna, who could react to base Kashimo)
Shibuya Mahoraga (reflected dismantles from 15F Sukuna)
Subsonic+:
Maki (Did feat)
Post chapter 213 Yuji (Fought together with Maki)
Yuta (Leader of heavy hitters)
Jackpot Hakari (Should be at least relative to Yuta)
Sendai colony fighters (relative to Yuta)
Base Kashimo (kept up with Jackpot Hakari)
Kenjaku (one of the strongest fighters)
Yuki (fought against Kenjaku)
3F Sukuna (has own feat in this range)
Subsonic:
Yuji (faster than Maki, who did feat)
Choso (relative)
Base Hakari (kept up with that Yuji)
Bernard (barely kept up with Base Hakari)
Uraume (girl is walking anti feat. Barely blocked PB. If she is on speed level of Jackpot, she kills Base Hakari due to speed diff and no RCT. Should be at level of Base Hakari)

Outline what you think should be changed. I will change things. With your vote CRT would need only another two staff votes(which you would tag)

I don't understand how the notifications on this site works because I swear I never got a notification for this and thought no one ever responded to this thread. You quoted me too which is extra weird.

Anyways most of it is fine from what I can tell, though why is Yuji in the subsonic range when the justification you would've put is that he's "faster than Maki" unless you're specifically talking about Pre-HR Maki which fair enough. Also not sure about upscaling to Transonic cause a 1.23x gap seems too high for that.

Edit: Also JJK 0 Gojo doesn't have a key it's just mixed with his present key so Miguel and JJK 0 Gojo would just remain the same. Plus characters like Mahoraga straight up have feats/calcs higher than transonic anyways (Uneval'd but you get the idea). If this gets eval'd anyone who would scale to Mahoraga (15 finger Sukuna, and Yorozu basically) would get this value I suppose. Others in that blitz tier would just be Subsonic+, maybe Transonic as you said.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I don't understand how the notifications on this site works because I swear I never got a notification for this and thought no one ever responded to this thread. You quoted me too which is extra weird.

Anyways most of it is fine from what I can tell, though why is Yuji in the subsonic range when the justification you would've put is that he's "faster than Maki" unless you're specifically talking about Pre-HR Maki which fair enough. Also not sure about upscaling to Transonic cause a 1.23x gap seems too high for that.

we upscaled Gojokuna to large town+ with a gap bigger than than, iirc.
It should be fine

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

we upscaled Gojokuna to large town+ with a gap bigger than than, iirc.
It should be fine

Fair enough.

Plus characters like Mahoraga straight up have feats/calcs higher than transonic anyways (Uneval'd but you get the idea). If this gets eval'd anyone who would scale to Mahoraga (15 finger Sukuna, and Yorozu basically) would get this value I suppose.

 

[Arkenis]

Plus characters like Mahoraga straight up have feats/calcs higher than transonic anyways (Uneval'd but you get the idea). If this gets eval'd anyone who would scale to Mahoraga (15 finger Sukuna, and Yorozu basically) would get this value I suppose.

The first non outlier calc from JJK.

 

[AguilaR202]

The first non outlier calc from JJK.

Only because post adaptation maho is uncapped and likely a tier above Shinjuku top dawgs.

 

[Qurbonboev]

though why is Yuji in the subsonic range when the justification you would've put is that he's "faster than Maki" unless you're specifically talking about Pre-HR Maki which fair enough

Yeah, subsonic feat was done by pre HR Maki, and Yuji from Kyoto event onward is faster than version that did this feat.

Also JJK 0 Gojo doesn't have a key it's just mixed with his present key so Miguel and JJK 0 Gojo would just remain the same

I feel it's wrong to do. But changing this would take too much time.

Plus characters like Mahoraga straight up have feats/calcs higher than transonic anyways (Uneval'd but you get the idea

Mahoraga now has "all Mahoragas are same in power, but Yuka one became strongest one due to adaptation". It's probably good enough justification to give Mahoraga, 15F Sukuna (and everyone who scales) Hypersonic speed. Or maybe not. Point is that it probably should be tackled in specific CRT regarding Mahoraga scaling, not here.

Fair enough.

Ok


Now, subtracting everyone who shouldn't be changed and/or tackled in here. Changes should be follow:

Baseline Transonic:
Post-awakening Gojo (Blitzed Toji)
MBA (blitzed Weakened Sukuna, who could react to base Kashimo)

Subsonic+:
Maki (Did feat of punching Naoya fast)
Post chapter 213 Yuji (Fought together with Maki)
Yuta (Leader of heavy hitters)
Jackpot Hakari (Should be at least relative to Yuta)
Sendai colony fighters (relative to Yuta)
Base Kashimo (kept up with Jackpot Hakari)
Kenjaku (one of the strongest fighters)
Yuki (fought against Kenjaku)
3F Sukuna (has own feat in this range)

Subsonic:
Pre HR Maki (did feat of dodging bullets)
Yuji (faster than Maki, who did feat)
Choso (relative)
Base Hakari (kept up with that Yuji)
Bernard (barely kept up with Base Hakari)
Uraume (girl is walking anti feat. Barely blocked PB. If she is on speed level of Jackpot, she kills Base Hakari due to speed diff and no RCT. Should be at level of Base Hakari)