Tier 9 Humanoid Tournament Round 1 Match 8: Sans vs Jung Daeun

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Tier 9 Humanoid Tournament​

Sans vs Jung Daeun​

The rule:​

1. The battle takes place in Level 0 Backrooms.
2. Both participants will know that if they break a wall they will be both teleported to Level 483 and to Level 27 if they break the floor.
3. Speed is equalized.
4. Both have 1 minute and a half of prep time.
5. Anything higher than 9-A is restricted.
6. After the minute and a half of prep time, both participants will spawn in random spots and will know the opponent's starting positions.

Sans: ARandomDude127, Arceus0x, Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh, ShionAH, JustANormalLemon, Poketmonsrs, Bruhtelho,
Jung Daeun:
Inconclusive (coin flip):

 

[ARandomDude127]

SANS GET THE **** OUT OF THERE

 

[Arceus0x]

Funniest thing about this match is that Corrupted Land makes anyone who dies on it turn into a skeleton, meaning that Sans is immortal when fighting this guy lmfao.

Anyways


gg

 

[Arceus0x]

Fear hax also won't work since Sans isn't undead but a Monster.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Sans downscales from 0.0005 tons, which decreases to 0.0004 because all skeletons lose 20% duo to fear hax from Jung
Jung scales to 0.00014 tons normally and 0.00057 with boost.

Speed is equalized but again Sans loses 20% of his speed duo to Jung hax.

Lifting strenght easily goes to Jung who even in base is class 100, class Z is meaningless in this fight since the battlefield doesn't have extra earth, although his inventory easily contains hundreds of 1 to 2 ton blocks of dirt and those can still be used.

Sans wins range with his bone attacks since Jung doesn't have any attacking skill from distance unless for his golems and shadow cats.

Sans is apparently genius which means he wins in intelligence.

Duo to Jung's invulnerability normal punches don't work although it seems Sans can affect souls with his attacks so that is an advantage.
I don't know how his poison works but Jung has resistance to poison so it shouldn't work properly.
Intangible attacks can work but some of Jung's skills have Non physical interaction so he can stop them.
Sans info analysis doesn't really work duo to resistance.

Jung's normal strategy is not fighting anyone directly, he has his golems and shadow cats that he uses most of the times, he many times likes to hide underground or up in the air with plataforms and observatories which creates maps of his surroundings and he can watch from a safe distance, when things get hard Jung uses his portals to run away and since they are permission based no one else but him and his golems can use.
Normal strategies he employes for attacking involves multiple types of traps which have dura neg easily breaking bones that even if destroyed can be put back with reset/time manipulation, his golems which are powerful and can regenerate as long as the core remains intact, he also uses shadow cats with bows and arrows that can petrify the enemy, shadow cats are very fragile but they will simple go back to their previous form with no cooldown. If many shadow cats are together in a zone with no light then Sans would start to see his worse nightmares. If nothing eof that works Jung will go with sneak attacks with purification which would be effective against skeletons they are homing attacks so really hard to dodge, the moment Sans sees Jung he will start to feel fear and stats will decrease.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Fear hax also won't work since Sans isn't undead but a Monster.

Pretty sure it doesn't matter since Skeletons do exist in Jung's verse and they are not really dead people, and the main reason this skill exists is because Jung killed a giant skeleton.

Funniest thing about this match is that Corrupted Land makes anyone who dies on it turn into a skeleton, meaning that Sans is immortal when fighting this guy lmfao.

That indeed wouldn't really work not that Jung would in character use Corrupted land against anyone, he simply uses it to cook most of the time.

 

[Comiphorous]

I don't know how his poison works but Jung has resistance to poison so it shouldn't work properly.

Soul poison unfortunately, the scan on the profile only seems to cover regular poison.

Intangible attacks can work but some of Jung's skills have Non physical interaction so he can stop them.

Lowkey why would that be an advantage to be able to physically touch the bones that use physical contact to damage the person?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Soul poison unfortunately, the scan on the profile only seems to cover regular poison.

I don't know for sure.

Lowkey why would that be an advantage to be able to physically touch the bones that use physical contact to damage a person's soul?

I saw on his profile that his bones can became intangible if Jung stops them with some of his attacks they can't reach him or damage him.

 

[Comiphorous]

I don't know for sure.

KR both works on the body and the soul, but the resistance to poison seems to come from the fact he has a gas mask to stop it from entering his system in the first place, (Wouldn't that be non-standard breathing?) not to stop it from affecting him after it's already there. It'd pretty much be useless in the case of getting hit by an attack that inflicts it.

I saw on his profile that his bones can became intangible if Jung stops them with some of his attacks they can't reach him or damage him.

All of his attacks are intangible regardless of situation.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

KR both works on the body and the soul, but the resistance to poison seems to come from the fact he has a gas mask to stop it from entering his system in the first place, (Wouldn't that be non-standard breathing?) not to stop it from affecting him after it's already there. It'd pretty much be useless in the case of getting hit by an attack that inflicts it.

It's not quite a gas mask he simply uses purify around his mouth and nose so whenever poison touches it it's instantly purified, he can also use purify on himself to stop poisons just like he can purify other people's poisons and curses away.

All of his attacks are intangible regardless of situation.

His profile states his bones can be both intangible and not intangible, anyways any attack that is magic can affect non physical objects as Jung's profile says.

 

[ARandomDude127]

His profile states his bones can be both intangible and not intangible, anyways any attack that is magic can affect non physical objects as Jung's profile says.

It’s because in the Anniversary thingy for Undertale, when Pacifist Frisk “fought” Sans he turned his bones into actual tangible bones so that Frisk wouldn’t get hurt.

In a combat scenario, they’re always gonna be intangible, not like it matters cuz Jung can interact with them anyways.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It’s because in the Anniversary thingy for Undertale, when Pacifist Frisk “fought” Sans he turned his bones into actual tangible bones so that Frisk wouldn’t get hurt.

In a combat scenario, they’re always gonna be intangible, not like it matters cuz Jung can interact with them anyways.

Ok, I'm not that knowledged on Undertale.
Yeah I don't think it will even matter, Jung fights mostly with his golems so poison and soul hax don't work, and he even has magic resistant golems, and even ignoring that Jung has an ability that allows him to see the projectile's tragectory making it easy for him to dodge.

 

[Arceus0x]

Doesn't matter because Sans' first action is to slam down the opponent's soul using telekinesis and stab it with bones which would immediately soul poison and kill Jung as by basic agreements, anyone who fights UT characters is assumed to have lvl 1 hp for the soul. A heavily leveled up Frisk gets most of their HP taken out in the very beginning so Jung just dies. He isn't gonna get a chance to defend against the attack or to prepare golems or anything, he'll get stabbed and the blasted with Gaster Blasters to finish him off, all of which have soul poison.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Doesn't matter because Sans' first action is to slam down the opponent's soul using telekinesis and stab it with bones which would immediately soul poison and kill Jung as by basic agreements, anyone who fights UT characters is assumed to have lvl 1 hp for the soul. A heavily leveled up Frisk gets most of their HP taken out in the very beginning so Jung just dies. He isn't gonna get a chance to defend against the attack or to prepare golems or anything, he'll get stabbed and the blasted with Gaster Blasters to finish him off, all of which have soul poison.

Only works if he is in range to catch Jung who is a person who does not fight directly and rather uses Golem's, he doesn't need time to prepare golems he has many saved up on his pocket dimension and even if he had to build them he only needs to summon a block of dirt and using his dirt manipulation to instantly turn him into the shape he needs and place a core in it. The opponents start in random positions Sans is not going to find Jung who thanks to his extra sensory perception will always know Sans position while Sans doesn't know Jung's, in worse case he can just mass release dirt from his inventory which he doesn't need to move to use which can release hundreds of tons of dirt and bury Sans, the golem's also instinctively protect the owner without any instruction, and the shadows also act on their own all of them, any of those can protect Jung from attacks in case he is caught in Telekinises, not to mention fear hax will always be active whenever Sans sees Jung so he won't be able to think normally.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The opponents start in random positions Sans is not going to find Jung who thanks to his extra sensory perception will always know Sans position while Sans doesn't know Jung's

After the minute and a half of prep time, both participants will spawn in random spots and will know the opponent's starting positions.

Even if they end up spawning out of view from each other, sans will just TP to Jung's location.

Though have to wonder if the prep time also means Jung would just start with his summons next to him

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Even if they end up spawning out of view from each other, sans will just TP to Jung's location.

Can he teleport to a place he has never been or seen? Even if he can he will instantly feel fear the moment he sees Jung.

Though have to wonder if the prep time also means Jung would just start with his summons next to him

Hardly matters even if his Golems take a few seconds to take out of his pocket space his shadow minions are instantly there since they are hiden in his shadow.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Also Jung his class 100 even in his most weakest form he should be capable of breaking out of Telekinises of a class 50 telekinises

 

[Comiphorous]

Also Jung his class 100 even in his most weakest form he should be capable of breaking out of Telekinises of a class 50 telekinises

Not when he can't naturally fly. If he's in the air, there's literally nothing for him to push off of to break out of it.

Even if he popped the floating stone, that just makes him float, and doesn't help him actually break out of the telekinesis in the first place.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Not when he can't naturally fly. If he's in the air, there's literally nothing for him to push off of to break out of it.

Well, ok. He can just use his purification and kill Sans with it, his purification doesn't need any movement and works like a machine gun, also he could jsut create walls of dirt since it doesn't seem like the bones can phase through objects.

Even if he popped the floating stone, that just makes him float, and doesn't help him actually break out of the telekinesis in the first place.

He has used the floating stones to make a flying ballon in which the weight of his dirt blocks woul make him go down so maybe he can push through telekinises using Dirt.

 

[Comiphorous]

Well, ok. He can just use his purification and kill Sans with it, his purification doesn't need any movement and works like a machine gun, also he could jsut create walls of dirt since it doesn't seem like the bones can phase through objects.

Sans isn't undead. He's a living monster that looks like a skeleton. Purification wouldn't work on him. And why wouldn't an intangible attack be able to go through a wall of dirt?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Also forgot to mention but Jung has at one point made clothes for himself that are magic resistant and uses them to stop ghost from phasing his body

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Can he teleport to a place he has never been or seen? Even if he can he will instantly feel fear the moment he sees Jung.

Yeah, he did that thing where he walks in the completely wrong to catch up to Papyrus on the surface, a place he's never been in before. Well, technically it is possible he has been to a different surface from another universe if we take him as his DR counterpart, but that's hardly relevant cause I can guarantee you that sans wasn't randomly strolling around in the forest lol

I doubt the fear hax is going to affect him much either. The one page it seems to be based on just says it makes undead tremble and that's about it really.
Plus, Genocide Frisk also has similarly minor fear hax and sans seemed completely unbothered by it, or at least he never looked like he was.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Sans isn't undead. He's a living monster that looks like a skeleton. Purification wouldn't work on him. And why wouldn't an intangible attack be able to go through a wall of dirt?

Undead is used as a category for monsters like Skeletons, Zombies, ghosts ect, in the verse that Jung comes from those monsters were created by 2 powerful dragons they weren't actually humans who died despite Skeletons can be made from humans who died they were first created by magic.

 

[Comiphorous]

Undead is used as a category for monsters like Skeletons, Zombies, ghosts ect, in the verse that Jung comes from those monsters were created by 2 powerful dragons they weren't actually humans who died despite Skeletons can be made from humans who died they were first created by magic.

Yes skeletons zombies and ghosts ect are normally undead by default, but here sans is not undead by literally metric you could put him through. He looks like a skeleton but thats it. He has no similarities to a conventional undead skeleton, whether they were made by magic or not.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yeah, he did that thing where he walks in the completely wrong to catch up to Papyrus on the surface, a place he's never been in before. Well, technically it is possible he has been to a different surface from another universe if we take him as his DR counterpart, but that's hardly. relevant cause I can guarantee you that sans wasn't randomly strolling around in the forest lol

I don't understand anything from that video, I can only see people walking around not teleporting.

I doubt the fear hax is going to affect him much either. The one page it seems to be based on just says it makes undead tremble and that's about it really.
Plus, Genocide Frisk also has similarly minor fear hax and sans seemed completely unbothered by it, or at least he never looked like he was.

He doesn't have resistance to fear hax and Jung's fear hax is strong enought that they can't even attack Jung so it is strong.

 

[Arceus0x]

Sans isn't an actual skeleton, he is a monster that has blood, a soul and is made of solidified magic. Fear hax isn't gonna work on him.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yes skeletons zombies and ghosts ect are normally undead by default, but here sans is not undead by literally metric you could put him through. He looks like a skeleton but thats it. He has no similarities to a conventional undead skeleton, whether they were made by magic or not.

Monster physiology states Sans is made of magic is no different from any monster of Dungeon Reset verse that are also made of magic.

 

[Arceus0x]

Monster physiology states Sans is made of magic is no different from any monster of Dungeon Reset verse that are also made of magic.

who cares, he isn't an undead. You can't just classify someone as undead because they look like one, and Monster magic is different from the magic in Dungeon Reset regardless.

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways I vote for Sans.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

who cares, he isn't an undead. You can't just classify someone as undead because they look like one, and Monster magic is different from the magic in Dungeon Reset regardless.

Verse equalization is one of the rules of VSB wiki so magic should be assumed to be equalized. Undead is a category not a characteristic, being undead doesn't grant them any specific ability considering that all undead are different.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Sans profile literally classifies him as a skeleton, and Jung's fear hax works on skeletons.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I don't understand anything from that video, I can only see people walking around not teleporting.

See sans does this thing where he goes the completely wrong direction (Usually just the opposite direction of where he actually wants to go) only to somehow end up at the right destination anyway. He does this like a bunch throughout the game and even brings you with him a few times.

Basically the context was that all the monsters had just left the Underground and were finally able to walk into the Surface. Papyrus rushed ahead because he wanted to be the first to greet the humans and sans wanted to catch up with him. So naturally, instead of going toward the Surface, he walked back INTO the Underground for aura points

He doesn't have resistance to fear hax and Jung's fear hax is strong enought that they can't even attack Jung so it is strong.

Nah, don't believe it. The fear hax scan itself just says they got 20% weaker and slower.

 

[Arceus0x]

Verse equalization is one of the rules of VSB wiki so magic should be assumed to be equalized. Undead is a category not a characteristic, being undead doesn't grant them any specific ability considering that all undead are different.

You're wrong, being undead quite literally means you're dead whilst alive, we literally give immortality type 7 for that. Sans is alive, breathing. Either prove that it works on those who look undead and aren't actually undead, or stop trying.

Nah, don't believe it. The fear hax scan itself just says they got 20% weaker and slower.

Bruh that ain't doing nothing, the guy's dead.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

See sans does this thing where he goes the completely wrong direction (Usually just the opposite direction of where he actually wants to go) only to somehow end up at the right destination anyway. He does this like a bunch throughout the game and even brings you with him a few times.

Basically the context was that all the monsters had just left the Underground and were finally able to walk into the Surface. Papyrus rushed ahead because he wanted to be the first to greet the humans and sans wanted to catch up with him. So naturally, instead of going toward the Surface, he walked back INTO the Underground for aura points

Nah, don't believe it. The fear hax scan itself just says they got 20% weaker and slower.

See sans does this thing where he goes the completely wrong direction (Usually just the opposite direction of where he actually wants to go) only to somehow end up at the right destination anyway. He does this like a bunch throughout the game and even brings you with him a few times.

Basically the context was that all the monsters had just left the Underground and were finally able to walk into the Surface. Papyrus rushed ahead because he wanted to be the first to greet the humans and sans wanted to catch up with him. So naturally, instead of going toward the Surface, he walked back INTO the Underground for aura points

That seems like he is going to the place he knows despite going in the opposite direction, that doesn't prove he can go to a place he doesn't know about, at best it seems he might be able to teleport to someone he knows.

Nah, don't believe it. The fear hax scan itself just says they got 20% weaker and slower.

The scan states that they will fear him and as a reward they will be 20% weaker while Jung is 20% stronger, the description is one thing the effect is another.

 

[Comiphorous]

Verse equalization is one of the rules of VSB wiki so magic should be assumed to be equalized. Undead is a category not a characteristic, being undead doesn't grant them any specific ability considering that all undead are different.

We actually do have an ability that you have for being undead, it's called immortality type 7. Being undead is both a category and a characteristic, which sans has neither of.

Immortality

Immortality is the ability to simply not die by natural means for any number of reasons, ranging from simply having no limit to your lifespan, being able to regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, or being protected by a higher being, among other possible reasons. It should be...

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[Suigetsuhyugs]

We actually do have an ability that you have for being undead, it's called immortality type 7. Being undead is both a category and a characteristic, which sans has neither of.

Immortality

Immortality is the ability to simply not die by natural means for any number of reasons, ranging from simply having no limit to your lifespan, being able to regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, or being protected by a higher being, among other possible reasons. It should be...

vsbattles.fandom.com

First Wiki categorization is different from verse categorization.
Second, Skeletons in the universe of Dungeon Reset don't have Immo 7, once they are destroyed they are dead just like any monster of Undertale, and Ghosts for example in dungeon reset die and turn into ashes so I don't know why that matters.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That seems like he is going to the place he knows despite going in the opposite direction, that doesn't prove he can go to a place he doesn't know about, at best it seems he might be able to teleport to someone he knows.

He hasn't been in this Surface before.

See long ago, two races ruled over Earth: HUMANS and MONSTERS. One day, war broke out between the two races. After a long battle, the humans were victorious. They sealed the monsters underground with a magic spell. This was a millennia before the events of the game, so like, a fair bit before sans was born lol

The scan states that they will fear him and as a reward they will be 20% weaker while Jung is 20% stronger, the description is one thing the effect is another.

"Undead will tremble" is just flavor text describing the mechanical effect written immediately below it in parentheses "(Their movement speed will decrease by 20%)"
Like they're one of the same.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Yeah ngl, screw what I said earlier I think the Soul Hax Merchant claims yet another victim fra

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

He hasn't been in this Surface before.

See long ago, two races ruled over Earth: HUMANS and MONSTERS. One day, war broke out between the two races. After a long battle, the humans were victorious. They sealed the monsters underground with a magic spell. This was a millennia before the events of the game, so like, a fair bit before sans was born lol

If he can teleport there how can you guarantee he hasn't been there before?

"Undead will tremble" is just flavor text describing the mechanical effect written immediately below it in parentheses "(Their movement speed will decrease by 20%)"
Like they're one of the same.

There isn't flavored text in the windows when describing his reward, them fearing Jung is the reason their movement/attack power becames 20% weaker.

Yeah ngl, screw what I said earlier I think the Soul Hax Merchant claims yet another victim fra

He has magic resistant armour at all times, and those stop even ghost from phasing through so intangible attacks from sans don't work

Duo to high level purification Jung is immune to abnormal status effect

 

[Comiphorous]

If he can teleport there how can you guarantee he hasn't been there before?

Because that’s like one of, if not the biggest plot point of the game that they were all stuck underground for hundreds of years?

There are theories that he came from another dimension and whatnot, but nothing that would prove something like him being on that specific mountain top before..