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Demon Lord of Devouring Evil vs King of Searing Soul (Su Zhou vs Joshua Van Radcliffe)

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Su Zhou (Yin Tian Shen Yin) [Torch Sun · Primordial Form Heavenly Emperor] VS Joshua van Radcliffe (Yin Tian Shen Yin) [Advanced Legendary-Tier Being Creator]
[Rules:]
  • Speed is equalized, as Joshua has a massive advantage in those areas.​
  • Everything else is SBA.​
Su Zhou Votes:
Joshua van Radcliffe Votes:
 
Honestly, I’m only making this matchup because neither of them has anyone they can actually fight without it being a stomp, outside of FCs/OCs. This is mostly going to be me and Rakih going at it.
 
Gonna post later
Cool, well since Su Zhou doesn't have an endless list of resistances as Joshua does, we'll go over passives first, which includes;
  • Curse Manipulation
  • Empathic Manipulation
  • Soul Manipulation
  • Paralysis Inducement
  • Statistics Reduction
  • Fear Manipulation
  • Sleep Manipulation
  • Perception Manipulation
  • Biological Manipulation
  • Radiation Manipulation
  • Mind Manipulation
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 2)
  • Corrosion Inducement
 
Cool, well since Su Zhou doesn't have an endless list of resistances as Joshua does, we'll go over passives first, which includes;
  • Curse Manipulation
  • Empathic Manipulation
  • Soul Manipulation
  • Paralysis Inducement
  • Statistics Reduction
  • Fear Manipulation
  • Sleep Manipulation
  • Perception Manipulation
  • Biological Manipulation
  • Radiation Manipulation
  • Mind Manipulation
  • Madness Manipulation (Type 2)
  • Corrosion Inducement
Most of these are resisted except for madness and stats reduction iirc
 
The reduction will drain his energy and make him weak, though if he can't do anything against the madness hax, then this ends pretty quickly
Can't Su Zhou just regenerate from his Great Path tho, does Joshua have anything resembles a Great Path at this point?
 
Maybe, there's some really heavy H1-A+ wank I could cook up. And then beyond infinite layers of nep2 + every aspect you can imagine, and possibly layered Ac5.
I swear I voted on a CRT to have it added, but then the author had to be a powerscaler. Also, YTSY already has beyond-infinite layers of NEP & TD3.
 
Maybe, there's some really heavy H1-A+ wank I could cook up. And then beyond infinite layers of nep2 + every aspect you can imagine, and possibly layered Ac5.
Blud, Transcendent have infinite value of type 3 non duality, and they are only at middle of High 1-A hierarchy.

Ac5 also can't be layered iirc, and Su Zhou can negate AC5 in just his Torrent key.

Not a thread to discuss this tho.

Yeah, but it doesn't fix his mind; it just lets him survive and regenerate it if it gets erased.
Hmm, maybe I search for madness resistance first if Su Zhou have it.
 
Yeah, Su Zhou still can fight even with broken mind, plus his mind resistance can definitely resist madness Hax.
 
Yeah, Su Zhou still can fight even with broken mind, plus his mind resistance can definitely resist madness Hax.
Alright, in that case, Joshua is going to start close quarters, and not really any of his abilities.

I think Joshua has the advantage there, just off of pure martial arts and combat intelligence.
 
Alright, in that case, Joshua is going to start close quarters, and not really any of his abilities.

I think Joshua has the advantage there, just off of pure martial arts and combat intelligence.
I gonna reread Su Zhou fight with the void cult leader. But Su Zhou first move would be using his big ass Modular True Form and analyzing his enemy.
 
I gonna reread Su Zhou fight with the void cult leader. But Su Zhou first move would be using his big ass Modular True Form and analyzing his enemy.
Joshua is big enough to hold an entire planet in his hand, so the size won't be an issue. As for analysis, he has Divine Power in his body, which can't be observed with observation based skills and magic.
 
Joshua is big enough to hold an entire planet in his hand, so the size won't be an issue. As for analysis, he has Divine Power in his body, which can't be observed with observation based skills and magic.
Su Zhou would use both Blade of Annihilation and the World Tree Spear as his offenshive first move.
 
Su Zhou would use both Blade of Annihilation and the World Tree Spear as his offenshive first move.
Joshua basically has Gojo's Infinity, but Aura based around him, so the Blade of Annihilation wouldn't be able to hit him unless he has a bypass.

As for the World Tree Spear, he would either dodge it or transmute it, since he can transmute souls.
 
Joshua basically has Gojo's Infinity, but Aura based around him, so the Blade of Annihilation wouldn't be able to hit him unless he has a bypass.
Eternal Battle Body would adapt to Joshua aura tho, unless I'm missing something.

As for the World Tree Spear, he would either dodge it or transmute it, since he can transmute souls.
Su Zhou World Tree Spear is basically can be recreated by Su Zhou as shown when he use it on the void cult leader.
 
Eternal Battle Body would adapt to Joshua aura tho, unless I'm missing something.
Joshua has his King of Searing Soul Mode, which should have the same potency as the Eternal Battle Cosmology-wise. One coming from Order, and the other from Miracle.

In that state, his flash flood flames directly ignore everything, including things that can't be resisted or defended against, bypassing Joshua's Resistance to Resistance Negation.
Su Zhou World Tree Spear is basically can be recreated by Su Zhou as shown when he use it on the void cult leader.
Still wouldn't hit.
 
Joshua has his King of Searing Soul Mode, which should have the same potency as the Eternal Battle Cosmology-wise. One coming from Order, and the other from Miracle.

In that state, his flash flood flames directly ignore everything, including things that can't be resisted or defended against, bypassing Joshua's Resistance to Resistance Negation.
Shouldn't Su Zhou and Joshua resistance to resistance negation basically negate each other? But his RE is basically still higher than Joshua's based on the showing tho. Su Zhou would also grapple with Joshua if he is in close quarter combat. With Su Zhou using Scale of God to teleport Joshua to another universe then skeddale to another universe if he needs rest.

Anyways, Su Zhou can use the Dao Unifier armament right? He would use it.

Still wouldn't hit.
Eternal Battle Aura can counter Joshua own, albeit they are both would equal but it would give a chance for the spear to struck Joshua.
 
Shouldn't Su Zhou and Joshua resistance to resistance negation basically negate each other? But his RE is basically still higher than Joshua's based on the showing tho.
From what I understand, the Eternal Battle Body grants resistance.

It also resists attempts to bypass or negate those resistances, meaning it has Resistance to Resistance Negation.

Joshua’s Flash Flood Flames were specifically designed to affect things that normally cannot be resisted, so they can overcome Resistance to Resistance Negation.
Su Zhou would also grapple with Joshua if he is in close quarter combat.
Joshua's BIQ is higher than Su Zhou's, I'm fairly sure.

We could debate it if you want.
With Su Zhou using Scale of God to teleport Joshua to another universe then skeddale to another universe if he needs rest.
At this level, they can already teleport between worlds, so Su Zhou would have to dump Joshua somewhere pretty far. Although the Scale can go further than a Creator's teleportation range, it still takes time to travel, so he would be fighting Joshua while traveling through the Void.
Anyways, Su Zhou can use the Dao Unifier armament right? He would use it.
Joshua has Steel Strength, so he can control the reality, principles, theorems, and laws of his own body, so the main abilities of an Armament wouldn't work on him.

The only thing that might give him trouble is Information Manipulation, but his King of Searing Soul Mode grants him that.
Eternal Battle Aura can counter Joshua own, albeit they are both would equal but it would give a chance for the spear to struck Joshua.
I meant he would still be able to dodge it.
 
From what I understand, the Eternal Battle Body grants resistance.

It also resists attempts to bypass or negate those resistances, meaning it has Resistance to Resistance Negation.

Joshua’s Flash Flood Flames were specifically designed to affect things that normally cannot be resisted, so they can overcome Resistance to Resistance Negation.
Bruh, wtf is that flash flood lmao

At this level, they can already teleport between worlds, so Su Zhou would have to dump Joshua somewhere pretty far. Although the Scale can go further than a Creator's teleportation range, it still takes time to travel, so he would be fighting Joshua while traveling through the Void.
Yea, but it would also still be a viable tactic considering Su Zhou.

Joshua has Steel Strength, so he can control the reality, principles, theorems, and laws of his own body, so the main abilities of an Armament wouldn't work on him.

The only thing that might give him trouble is Information Manipulation, but his King of Searing Soul Mode grants him that.
Yea, figure that.

I meant he would still be able to dodge it.
Twin Divine Tree attack wouldn't be considered an attack tho, so Joshua wouldn't be able to dodge that.


Plus Su Zhou's RE is higher in showing than Joshua, so Su Zhou would be able to close the gap between their abilities or skills.

I gotta work, later for the next posts lol
 
Bruh, wtf is that flash flood lmao
It's a move Joshua has.
Yea, but it would also still be a viable tactic considering Su Zhou.
I mean, we've seen Su Zhou run using the scale before, but never use it to BFR someone.
Twin Divine Tree attack wouldn't be considered an attack tho, so Joshua wouldn't be able to dodge that.
That's not the staff's ability, and it still needs to hit.
Plus Su Zhou's RE is higher in showing than Joshua, so Su Zhou would be able to close the gap between their abilities or skills.
True.

But in the end, Joshua is going to start ahead, while Su Zhou is going to be playing catch-up. Joshua's already perfect, and becoming more so every moment. He's reached the limit of everything skill-wise and ability-wise.
 
I mean, we've seen Su Zhou run using the scale before, but never use it to BFR someone.
Still viable tactics thos.

That's not the staff's ability, and it still needs to hit.
Yea, but Su Zhou RE would try to find a way to his Josh.


True.

But in the end, Joshua is going to start ahead, while Su Zhou is going to be playing catch-up. Joshua's already perfect, and becoming more so every moment. He's reached the limit of everything skill-wise and ability-wise.
Yea, but Su Zhou still have an edge in abilities beside skills.
 
Still viable tactics thos.
It's not something he would do in character. Could he do it, maybe, but I don't even remember if he's ever used the scale to bring someone with him.

Not to mention it wouldn't help him win.
Yea, but Su Zhou RE would try to find a way to his Josh.
Even assuming it hits, Joshua would regenerate using Steel Particles.
Yea, but Su Zhou still have an edge in abilities beside skills.
Yeah, but if Su Zhou's only win-con is RE, then he gets hit with flash flood flames and dies.
 
It's not something he would do in character. Could he do it, maybe, but I don't even remember if he's ever used the scale to bring someone with him.

Not to mention it wouldn't help him win.
He would definitely do it in character lol.
Even assuming it hits, Joshua would regenerate using Steel Particles.
Wouldn't Su Zhou Information modification can interfere with Joshua regen

Yeah, but if Su Zhou's only win-con is RE, then he gets hit with flash flood flames and dies.
He can resurrect, plus Su Zhou immortality at this level have greater showing than Joshua's own tbh.
 
He would definitely do it in character lol.
Proof?
Wouldn't Su Zhou Information modification can interfere with Joshua regen
No, steel particles are more fundamental than Information.
He can resurrect, plus Su Zhou immortality at this level have greater showing than Joshua's own tbh.
If Joshua nukes their reality (Which he can do in King of Searing Soul Mode), he would be able to kill Su Zhou, or at least long enough that by the time Su Zhou resurrects, the battle is already over.

He would also have Logic Manipulation & Morality Manipulation via Order.
 
He would dump Void Cult Leader to recharge scale of God if he can, but he delegated Qingming instead since he can't let Void Cult Leader go.

No, steel particles are more fundamental than Information.
Doesn't Su Zhou also managed to kill Void Cult Leader who can transform to a Steel Python.


If Joshua nukes their reality (Which he can do in King of Searing Soul Mode), he would be able to kill Su Zhou, or at least long enough that by the time Su Zhou resurrects, the battle is already over.

He would also have Logic Manipulation & Morality Manipulation via Order.
Yala blood is more potent than Joshua Immortality tho.

Order would also be resisted by Eternal Battle Body.
 
He would dump Void Cult Leader to recharge scale of God if he can, but he delegated Qingming instead since he can't let Void Cult Leader go.
I mean, okay, I guess Su Zhou can run away and recover. It's not going to help him in any way, though.

Doesn't Su Zhou also managed to kill Void Cult Leader who can transform to a Steel Python.
The Void Cult Leader's ability and Steel are different things.

Yala blood is more potent than Joshua Immortality tho.
Yala's blood is a Chaos Inheritance; Order directly opposes Chaos, so this is the perfect matchup for Joshua. He has plenty of Order-based abilities that negate Chaos-related powers just from being near him.
 
I can't imagine Su Zhou winning against Joshua. Joshua's combat feats are insane compared to Su Zhou's. Besides Ying and Ling, his body alone is a whole weapon on its own.

If Su Zhou managed to hit Joshua with Twilight, i can imagine him coming back from the meaningless Void with some bs [Miracle].

Edit: I just realized that Joshua's Order attribute gives multipliers to all his abilites against enemies with Chaos attribute. He's a direct counter to Su Zhou who has Yala's blood inside him.
 
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Is Su Zhou really cooked here lmao.

Anyway, Su Zhou RE is still absurd compared to Josh. Plus his Eternal Battle Body would be a great counter to almost all of Josh arsenals. His range of teleportation across the multiverse is also higher with the Scale of God.
 
  • Soul Manipulation
  • Mind Manipulation
Joshua, in the form of Intermediate Legendary, has no mind, no soul, he threw them away, it was written about this during the fight with Khan
 
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