Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread

[Epiccheev]

People only want death penalty because they never read Burning effect

 

[First_Witch]

People only want death penalty because they never read Burning effect

Or they want the death penalty because they thought Great was right.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Very few people consider that and I totally get it. No one would shed a single tear if a pedophile is stabbed to death in a random street, so why would anyone be against executing them? But its that very mindset, that emotional and biased reaction to the death of another human being, that in my opinion cements why the death penalty is just not a thing that should exist.

Speaking of pedophiles I think a lot of people should realize the difference between a pedophile and a predator.
What I mean is, while it's wrong to be a pedophile, I actually don't think pedophiles are inherently horrible people. Some of them do seem like they actually resent the fact that they're like that and try to get help and stay away from children and what not. I only say this because a lot of people act like they should all die even if they haven't hurt a child, and I personally just can't see why. I think there's a chance of rehabilitation with non offending pedophiles.

 

[First_Witch]

Speaking of pedophiles I think a lot of people should realize the difference between a pedophile and a predator.
What I mean is, while it's wrong to be a pedophile, I actually don't think pedophiles are inherently horrible people. Some of them do seem like they actually resent the fact that they're like that and try to get help and stay away from children and what not. I only say this because a lot of people act like they should all die even if they haven't hurt a child, and I personally just can't see why. I think there's a chance of rehabilitation with non offending pedophiles.

Utterly based and truthpilled.

 

[Arceus0x]

Or they want the death penalty because they thought Great was right.

Meanwhile in Graymark: Great having a back n forth existential crisis perpetuated by Romuhohellifiknowhowtosayhisnameatp

 

[AppleMaker]

Speaking of pedophiles I think a lot of people should realize the difference between a pedophile and a predator.
What I mean is, while it's wrong to be a pedophile, I actually don't think pedophiles are inherently horrible people. Some of them do seem like they actually resent the fact that they're like that and try to get help and stay away from children and what not. I only say this because a lot of people act like they should all die even if they haven't hurt a child, and I personally just can't see why. I think there's a chance of rehabilitation with non offending pedophiles.

I think most people who say stuff like that mean those who are offending by default, since otherwise they won't have any reasons to call them pedophiles, or they are completely unaware that someone could not act like that, despite having such condition

 

[AppleMaker]

Also this might be off topic (or on topic, I'm not sure), but I absolutely hate and despise thumbnails with text like "Loser, Creeps, Pedos".

First of all - it's repetitive AF (maybe not anymore), it's unoriginal and it got stale very quickly. Hell, even 67 meme doesn't piss me off so much like that bs
And second, most importantly - this kind of implies that being a loser, is just as morally bad as being predator/offender, and I cannot stand that. Not everyone in life is lucky enough to have any resemblance of success, not everyone is dealt a good hand in life, not everyone have things or qualities to achieve anything in life, and we should not blame them for it. Also anyone's success doesn't morally justifies/diminishes stuff they do. If a predator was a very influential and beloved person - it's still would be absolutely wrong and vile. If a "loser" will do something good - it should not be looked down upon and completely disregarded

Such thing as loser shaming/classism have to go, life can be miserable and unfair, hating someone for being a loser is just glorified victimblaming, by putting them in the same ballpark as jerks or even much worse people

 

[Ebihara]

I am very firmly against any government enforcing the death penalty.

 

[IDK3465]

This isn't really much of an unpopular opinion, but HOLY SHIT we need more CGMs

 

[Arceus0x]

This isn't really much of an unpopular opinion, but HOLY SHIT we need more CGMs

we have enough CGMs they just don't respond. If every calc member verified 3 calcs a day on the evaluation thread there wouldn't be a massive backlog with people bumping stuff 6x

 

[StarShooter80]

This isn't really much of an unpopular opinion, but HOLY SHIT we need more CGMs

The new ones we got back in November made things a bit quicker but yeah for a site this big more would be needed. Not on the fault of the calc group members themselves there's just way too many blogs.

Though I image it'd be one of the harder roles for someone to get enrolled to

 

[IDK3465]

The new ones we got back in November made things a bit quicker but yeah for a site this big more would be needed. Not on the fault of the calc group members themselves there's just way too many blogs.

Though I image it'd be one of the harder roles for someone to get enrolled to

Honestly, out of the staff, CGMs are probably the ones I have the most respect for. The sheer amount of work they need to deal with is utterly ridiculous, and there absolutely should be more people helping them out to clear the backlog

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Honestly, out of the staff, CGMs are probably the ones I have the most respect for. The sheer amount of work they need to deal with is utterly ridiculous, and there absolutely should be more people helping them out to clear the backlog

Until you take a look at the recent edits page on the wiki and see the amount of bs content mods have to deal with basically 24/7

 

[Mythic381]

Until you take a look at the recent edits page on the wiki and see the amount of bs content mods have to deal with basically 24/7

You're an "administrator" not "content moderator"

Check and mate.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

There are alternative/compromise positions...

Pacificism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Defensivism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pacifism is not something that works under pressure and at times just helps the evil.

 

[Arceus0x]

Honestly, out of the staff, CGMs are probably the ones I have the most respect for. The sheer amount of work they need to deal with is utterly ridiculous, and there absolutely should be more people helping them out to clear the backlog

difference being, some do that intense amount of work and create stuff that one wouldn't even expect, whilst many of the others just don't do anything. They burn themselves out in the first few weeks and then just do a few calc approvals every few days on verses they like.

 

[IDK3465]

Until you take a look at the recent edits page on the wiki and see the amount of bs content mods have to deal with basically 24/7

true, true

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

You're an "administrator" not "content moderator"

Precisely! I have it significantly easier than content mods.

 

[Metalballrun]

Problem is you have to filter out who are actual good candidates for staff positions, and those who are too enthusiastic in getting that "promotion" tend to be weird, like the few users who became staff from policing the RVRT.

 

[MochOath]

i should be made a mod so i can power trip and threaten to ban anyone who's mean to me

 

[Mythic381]

i should be made a mod so i can power trip and threaten to ban anyone who's mean to me

Based. Make this human a moderator.

 

[Arceus0x]

i should be made a mod so i can power trip and threaten to ban anyone who's mean to me

big subreddit: HIRE THIS MAN IMMEDIATELY

 

[AppleMaker]

big subreddit: HIRE THIS MAN IMMEDIATELY

I lowkey think it's fine to do so, if you're making a nice safe space for everyone or smth, but it's definitely shouldn't be applied to place which literally have a purpose of debating, since debating is a form of conflict and requires all sides to be heard

 

[Arceus0x]

I lowkey think it's fine to do so, if you're making a nice safe space for everyone or smth, but it's definitely shouldn't be applied to place which literally have a purpose of debating, since debating is a form of conflict and requires all sides to be heard

 

[AppleMaker]

I mean, if you make a server/subreddit where is the main rule is "being mean to anyone is prohibited", then it's fine to ban someone for said violation of rules

 

[Mythic381]

I mean, if you make a server/subreddit where is the main rule is "being mean to anyone is prohibited", then it's fine to ban someone for said violation of rules

I think their reply is because what they said was a joke, because of reddit memes on reddit mods

 

[Shmooply]

reddit bad
redditspacing
updoots to the left

 

[Arceus0x]

reddit bad
redditspacing
updoots to the left

When I say reddit bad I am talking about them. Those people. The ones who think they're the next comedian or the ones who need to point out something obvious. The ones who parrot factoids that are wrong only to be upvoted beyond belief. These people. Also the mods who straight up are psychotic in any sub with more than 100k users.
These redditors are only behind youtube commenters in their obnoxiousness.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Pacifism is not something that works under pressure and at times just helps the evil.

I don't get pacifists. I've seen people say that people on the level of Hitler don't deserve to be killed, and I never understood it. Why are you so against killing that you will even let people who murder or **** others just keep living?
I get not wanting to hurt people, but at some point we have to realize that not everybody can be redeemed. Everyone can't be reasoned with. Some people truly deserve to die.
And the utter refusal to ever hurt anyone can potentially lead to more people getting hurt than if you just decided to commit violence when you needed to.

To be fair...
There's a frickton of examples where it DID work, just as there are also a frickton of example where it DIDN'T work, and there's also entire philosophies and ideals and worldviews/faiths/paths dedicated to either pacifism or nonviolence if not both. (Also to be fair, nonviolence and pacifism are often differentiated so arguments against either are also thus different.)

Pacifism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nonviolence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ahimsa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nonviolent resistance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Civil resistance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The death sentence is a whole can of worms that is not just a simple "who has issues with killing the bad guys??" issue.

There are many neckbreaking arguments against it, such as death sentences being not, you know, revertable. The potential to kill even a single innocent person should outweight the "just" punishment for even 100 criminals.
The costs of death sentences have been demonstrably more higher than simple life sentences in America, with costs ranging from 2,5 to 5 times the amount of life sentences.
And also, not to sound like a AnCap lunatic that believes the state should be abolished (I believe that taxation is a good thing, actually), but giving any powerful entity, let alone the entity with a monopoly on violence, the legal rights to kill someone with "sufficient" evidence and the judgement of a judge and jury, is a power I think no one should have.

I am very firmly against any government enforcing the death penalty.

Unfortunately, aside from death, humanity (and other living beings that are both intelligent and creative enough) really has (with the other beings included, have) had a frickton of time to contemplate how best to maximise negativity/harm, suffering, etc to themselves and/or other beings for many, many reasons or at times no (or barely a semblance of a) reason at all so... death alone isn't the worst that can be done. (Though fortunately in a way it also has motivated humanity to also limit the frequency/quantity of occurences of such stuff.)
That being said, it'd be best for governments (or any collective of beings, really) to try to maximise well-being aka quality/positivity and quantity/span/length of existence/life of every being possible (basically trying to create a utopia for each and every being) to limit any benefit that harmful/destructive acts could give.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

To be fair...
There's a frickton of examples where it DID work, just as there are also a frickton of example where it DIDN'T work, and there's also entire philosophies and ideals and worldviews/faiths/paths dedicated to either pacifism or nonviolence if not both. (Also to be fair, nonviolence and pacifism are often differentiated so arguments against either are also thus different.)

Pacifism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nonviolence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ahimsa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nonviolent resistance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Civil resistance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Unfortunately, aside from death, humanity (and other living beings that are both intelligent and creative enough) really has (with the other beings included, have) had a frickton of time to contemplate how best to maximise negativity/harm, suffering, etc to themselves and/or other beings for many, many reasons or at times no (or barely a semblance of a) reason at all so... death alone isn't the worst that can be done. (Though fortunately in a way it also has motivated humanity to also limit the frequency/quantity of occurences of such stuff.)
That being said, it'd be best for governments (or any collective of beings, really) to try to maximise well-being aka quality/positivity and quantity/span/length of existence/life of every being possible (basically trying to create a utopia for each and every being) to limit any benefit that harmful/destructive acts could give.

The Gandhi example is a myth. His pacifism did not help to get indian freedom it was ww2 making uk too weak to be able to keep hold of indian and bose rebelllion.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

The Gandhi example is a myth. His pacifism did not help to get indian freedom it was ww2 making uk too weak to be able to keep hold of indian and bose rebelllion.

True, but there were other cases outside of Gandhi, maybe I should have written down the list welp (or sent more examples, but I stuck to Wikipedia cause outside of that, other places aren't very sourced).

Actual Pacifist - TV Tropes

"Don't worry; I won't hurt you." That's an Actual Pacifist in a nutshell. They're philosophically opposed to using physical violence to any degree, for any reason. To be on this trope, that includes self-defense, and if played right, they can be …

tvtropes.org

Badass Pacifist - TV Tropes

A Badass Pacifist describes an Actual Pacifist who, without doing anything violent, is much more awesome than many of us will ever be, and commands all the respect you give 'the baddest guy on the planet' even though (or in some cases, because) …

tvtropes.org

Suicidal Pacifism - TV Tropes

Some people (or, in some cases, entire nations) believe that actual pacifism is worth dedication even when the call for resistance is a Matter of Life and Death. This highly principled stance, in both fiction and in real life, tends to get the …

tvtropes.org

 

[Epiccheev]

If dogs spoke,would they swear a lot?

 

[AppleMaker]

If dogs spoke,would they swear a lot?

Probably not, considering that most animals have way more different type of thinking, that's basically lacks abstraction and sentence forming. They probably won't even realize concept of a swear word in the first place

 

[Epiccheev]

But it like the word that make the human laugh

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

True, but there were other cases outside of Gandhi, maybe I should have written down the list welp (or sent more examples, but I stuck to Wikipedia cause outside of that, other places aren't very sourced).

Actual Pacifist - TV Tropes

"Don't worry; I won't hurt you." That's an Actual Pacifist in a nutshell. They're philosophically opposed to using physical violence to any degree, for any reason. To be on this trope, that includes self-defense, and if played right, they can be …

tvtropes.org

Badass Pacifist - TV Tropes

A Badass Pacifist describes an Actual Pacifist who, without doing anything violent, is much more awesome than many of us will ever be, and commands all the respect you give 'the baddest guy on the planet' even though (or in some cases, because) …

tvtropes.org

Suicidal Pacifism - TV Tropes

Some people (or, in some cases, entire nations) believe that actual pacifism is worth dedication even when the call for resistance is a Matter of Life and Death. This highly principled stance, in both fiction and in real life, tends to get the …

tvtropes.org

Really tv trope it is for ficitional content not for real world examples .

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

If dogs spoke,would they swear a lot?

I wish we COULD communicate with and understand other living beings properly, but welp.

Really tv trope it is for ficitional content not for real world examples .

You should see the Real Life examples sections in the articles.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

I wish we COULD communicate with and understand other living beings properly, but welp.

You should see the Real Life examples sections in the articles.

those examples are not proof they all have gandhi in it not to mention examples like

• Malala Yousafzai has said that she would never use violence in self-defense against the Taliban because, in her view, it would make her no different than the Taliban.

guess what the taliban in charge and her pacfisim useless

• The now-extinct religion of Manichaeism took this to an extreme. While lay members were permitted to live their lives normally, members of the clergy were forbidden to harm any living being. Strict vegetarians, they were expressly forbidden to prepare their own food, as cooking and chopping vegetables was believed to harm the spirit particles residing within the food.

they are extinct so not good choice

• Paul Rusesabagina, whose story was chronicled in Hotel Rwanda. During the massacres in Rwanda in 1994, he managed to save over a thousand people who had been marked for death by sheltering them in his hotel and transporting them to safety, and standing up to corrupt military officials and screaming, machete-wielding mobs, all without raising a single firearm.

The genocide did not get stopped by pacisfism not to mention the dude got arrested later on for supporting terrorist rebel group

• The Egyptian protesters in Tahrir Square. They faced assault by riot police and gangs of thugs armed with machetes, molotovs, and even firearms. They responded by erecting barriers, establishing their own community-organized security to keep out government infiltrators who would initiate violence, and repeatedly calling for nonviolence. There were a few situations where they would strike back at isolated attackers or throw rocks to keep their oppressors from getting too close, but for the most part, they maintained their dedication to peaceful protest. And in doing so, they overthrew Hosni Mubarak, who led one of the most firmly entrenched military dictatorships in the world.

egypt still under military rule now



I could go on.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

those examples are not proof they all have gandhi in it not to mention examples like
guess what the taliban in charge and her pacfisim useless
they are extinct so not good choice
The genocide did not get stopped by pacisfism not to mention the dude got arrested later on for supporting terrorist rebel group
egypt still under military rule now
I could go on.

To be fair...
There's a frickton of examples where it DID work, just as there are also a frickton of example where it DIDN'T work, and there's also entire philosophies and ideals and worldviews/faiths/paths dedicated to either pacifism or nonviolence if not both. (Also to be fair, nonviolence and pacifism are often differentiated so arguments against either are also thus different.)

Pacifism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nonviolence - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ahimsa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nonviolent resistance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Civil resistance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

^I did say there's cases of success AND failure both, so far you've mostly highlighted failures.
Examples of successes:

Velvet Revolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

2018 Armenian Revolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rose Revolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Singing Revolution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Should have added this in the previous message:

Peace movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That being said, again, it's been mixed, it HAS worked AND failed before across different instances, and there ARE people who live very strictly by it just as there ARE people who abhor it. (Unsure if we'd count personal lifestyles as indicators/indications of success.)
Ideally I'd advocate for pacifism, but in the worst case scenario I'd advocate pacificism.

There are alternative/compromise positions...

Pacificism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Defensivism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BloodyBloodwork365]

What's even being argued here?

 

[AppleMaker]

What's even being argued here?

Viability of pacifism and how people should hold criminals accountable (is death penalty acceptable or not for example) I guess