"The Prince of the Black Sparks vs The Frozen Star" (Yuji Vs. Uraume) (4-1-0)

[Anonymous_Learner]

Yuji has been going on a rampage, but will the Frozen Star put this monster down?
The Battle Takes Place in Shinjuku, distance is 5 meters, Yuji starts Awakened, Yuji's "likely matter manipulation" is granted

The Grand Nephew of Sukuna: @EldemadeDityjon, @Nonynho, @Sakamaki_Fuji, @LIGHTYW
The Adopted Child of Sukuna: @ShionAH
Sukuna (Incon):

 

[Sus]

the problem with uraume is that she's a one trick pony, just like kashimo and ryu, lol

yuji will split her soul far before she can exhaust his stamina by continuously freezing off limbs

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How fast i be moving with these Yuji Matchups

 

[Sus]

how does freezing maki affect this?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

She got higher attack speed, as shown and stated on profile

 

[Sus]

She got higher attack speed, as shown and stated on profile

yea but like how does yuji respond to her completely freezing him?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Well, this is more of a close matchup than Yorozu vs. Yuji. Uraume might let their guard down since they don’t know that Yuji consumed the Death Paintings and has Blood Manipulation. That gives him some level of resistance to freezing, since Blood Manipulation can be used to regulate body temperature and keep himself safe from Uraume’s CT. Yuji would realize he can’t get close to them because of the massive AOE, so he would likely go for DE instead. Uraume has no counters to it so far, and Soul Dismantle would put them down. It’s also heavily implied that, since he has Sukuna’s CE, he wouldn’t be affected as much by their CT. He could also likely punch his way through with BF's, but whatever. On top of that, he has Cleave, so even if he gets struck, he can break free from Uraume freezing him. Overall, Soul Dismantle and blood poisoning are too much for Uraume to handle, even though they have RCT. Uraume need to put Yuji down faster than he spams DE or gets some blood on them.

So, voting Yuji. I think he can survive their attacks since he pretty much has information on their CT while Uraume lacks any information on Yuji abilities.

 

[Sus]

yeah her only way of winning is overwhelming his RCT which might not happen

 

[Nonynho]

i'll also go with Yuji, for @EldemadeDityjon's reasons

 

[Sakamaki_Fuji]

Yuji fra

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

yeah her only way of winning is overwhelming his RCT which might not happen

is this a vote? wanna be sure

 

[Sus]

is this a vote? wanna be sure

waiting for more arguments

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

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[ShionAH]

Bro what if Yuji tries to break free he loses a limb, he cannot reattach it since its frozen. What can he do when she uses Frost Calm which already fully defeated CG Awakened Yuji? This level of freezing isn't gonna take off a limb but the entire body would be affected, then she can easily throw a javelin and end the job. Yuji cannot even close the gap of kilometers before being frozen

Edit: WHY TF IS THE DISTANCE 5 METERS YOU SNEAKY SNEAKYS

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Edit: WHY TF IS THE DISTANCE 5 METERS YOU SNEAKY SNEAKYS

Cuz every yuji matchup i've made as of late makes it 5 meters.

 

[ShionAH]

Cuz every yuji matchup i've made as of late makes it 5 meters.

Uhh yeah but Uraume's whole thing is insane range which is in my opinion their best advantage against a cqc fighter like Yuji, damn

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

they fought against hakari and he's a close range fighter with him saying they're strong.
They can handle it, no? or Yuji>Hakari

 

[ShionAH]

they fought against hakari and he's a close range fighter with him saying they're strong.

Hakari is immortal, Yuji is not. Hakari can shrug off like %80 of his body missing, Yuji cannot.

 

[Sus]

regenerating limbs is pretty exhausting, uraume could win if she stays distant and freezes him

 

[ShionAH]

That gives him some level of resistance to freezing, since Blood Manipulation can be used to regulate body temperature and keep himself safe from Uraume’s CT.

Yuji has never shown he mastered the technique enough to do it, but either way that takes time. Uraume can just murder them while they heat it up.

It’s also heavily implied that, since he has Sukuna’s CE, he wouldn’t be affected as much by their CT.

No, that doesn't exist or make any sense nor does Yuji have Sukuna's CE.

He could also likely punch his way through with BF's, but whatever.

This would make him lose a limb, which would hurt and force him to heal. Which would let Uraume shoot again.

On top of that, he has Cleave, so even if he gets struck, he can break free from Uraume freezing him.

Again, this would break his body with it.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

No, that doesn't exist or make any sense nor does Yuji have Sukuna's CE.

Don't really care about the rest, others can respond, but yuji's literally soaked in Sukuna's CE

 

[Sus]

why does sukunas CE grant him resistance to ice? am i missing something

 

[ShionAH]

Don't really care about the rest, others can respond, but yuji's literally soaked in Sukuna's CE

No? He has the muscle memory and the Jujutsu memories so it makes it easier for him to grow, but he doesn't "literally" have Sukuna's CE after he put all the rest of his soul into Megumi

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yuji has never shown he mastered the technique enough to do it, but either way that takes time. Uraume can just murder them while they heat it up.

He did mastered basics from Kamo. He only didn't had skills to manipulate blood outside of his body properly to perform PB. Not to mention this is awakened Yuji. I'd rather believe he got a hang of it due to BFs. Since it literally boost ones performance over their CT or CE control.

No, that doesn't exist or make any sense nor does Yuji have Sukuna's CE.

Both Shibuya and CG we see Yuji was not affected by it and even in Epilogue Chapter of Sukuna and Uraume we get the same statement where Uraume literally questions why Sukuna was not affected by their CT. So like I said it's heavily implied Sukuna's CE has some level of resistance to their freezing.

This would make him lose a limb, which would hurt and force him to heal. Which would let Uraume shoot again.

Why would this break.his Body? Uraume only freezers the opponent unless they attack the frozen opponent they won't break anything. We have literally seen that in Shibuya even against Hakari.

Again, this would break his body with it.

Same as above. You are making things up about just freezing automatically breaking Yuji's body parts. Cleave just cuts the ice only before Uraume attacks it.

Also like I said Yuji knows they are incarnated player so he would likely go for instant Domain and Soul dismantle which Uraume has zero counters. They getting cooked either way.

 

[ShionAH]

He has never shown he can do it. So he can’t. Same way Uraume cannot use Hollow Wicker Basket even though logically she should know it

Uraume was holding back in BOTH of those scenarios, otherwise Yuji would be dead. He himself admits they were all gonna die in Shibuya. This also aint on the profile so it doesn’t matter.

She doesn’t have to attack it, trying to beak yourself out also kills you. Thats why no one in Shibuya could move and why Maki had to wait for her to leave. Its literally directly stated by Panda iirc. Yuji loses his arm if he cleaves the ice that froze his arm.

Yuji has never started with domain in character, basically other than Higuruma or Hakari NO character starts with a domain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Feels like Shion is just going to keep ignoring argument so he can make a point here. Yuji didn't even have a Domain in any arc until he learned it through awakening, and he has information on Uraume being an incarnated player. He knows he can just win easily with Soul Dismantle. There is zero reason for him to act dumb and let them hit him with massive AoE attacks. Idk why you are arguing with "He never started with it on anyone". Stop ignoring the arguments. I literally mentioned that he has information on them. I'm not saying he would spam his Domain on anyone and everyone. Here, they are an incarnated player, so it's logical to assume he would start with it, and he also knows they have huge AoE attacks, so he would definitely want to end the fight as soon as possible. Also I mentioned Uraume has a mindset to look down on others. So they wouldn't start with whatever they did against Hakari. Their one directional attacks can be dealt with somehow.

I'll make a thread for Yuji's temperature manipulation later since you want it on the profile. Both instances from Shibuya and the Culling Game Uraume didn't say they failed to freeze Yuji. They did freeze him, but they didn't apply the same force they applied to Maki. I'm not seeing why Yuji can't cleave the ice before they can put more CE into fully freezing him.

Anyway, Domain is still a win condition for Yuji.

 

[ShionAH]

Doesn’t matter. Basically no sorcerer starts with a domain. Its possibility that he could go for it, the same way he wouldn’t at the start.

Not on the profile, irrelevant to me. He has never done it so he can’t do it.

It’s instant freezing, if JP Hakari and Maki couldn’t react then neither can Yuji.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Doesn’t matter. Basically no sorcerer starts with a domain. Its possibility that he could go for it, the same way he wouldn’t at the start.

Hakari literally started with a domain. So headcanon from your end. Also you are not making a single arguments for why would he act dumb and doesn't start with a domain.

Not on the profile, irrelevant to me. He has never done it so he can’t do it.

CT is capable of performing that. You don't need everything to be spoon fed. Arguments can be made on that.

It’s instant freezing, if JP Hakari and Maki couldn’t react then neither can Yuji.

Maki is irrelevant here. Base Hakari himself was fast enough to activate his domain despite Uraume activites their technique. So another argument from you with lack of series knowledge

Like I said you are just ignoring everything argued here and going with your headcanon or disbelief arguments.

 

[ShionAH]

Hakari literally started with a domain. So headcanon from your end.

Doesn’t matter. Basically no sorcerer starts with a domain. Its possibility that he could go for it, the same way he wouldn’t at the start.

Yuji has never started with domain in character, basically other than Higuruma or Hakari NO character starts with a domain.

Average JJK fan. Genuinely delete your comment bro

CT is capable of performing that. You don't need everything to be spoon fed. Arguments can be made on that.

Just because a CT can do something doesn’t mean every user can do it, you need to learn and train for more complex usage. Is Mai and Yorozu equal in your brain? Hilarious.

Maki is irrelevant here. Base Hakari himself was fast enough to activate his domain despite Uraume activites their technique. So another argument from you with lack of series knowledge

Hakari literally has the fastest domain. Read the manga.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Average JJK fan. Genuinely delete your comment bro

Bruh thought he did something with this. First of all, learn the difference between “basically” and “almost,” because I think you’re trying to say “almost,” not “basically.” “Basically” means fundamentally, not what you’re trying to say. Just because you don’t know the meaning and fumbled your argument doesn’t mean I have to delete my replies.

Just because a CT can do something doesn’t mean every user can do it, you need to learn and train for more complex usage. Is Mai and Yorozu equal in your brain? Hilarious.

Both created their own versions of SG tools. Yorozu had CE reserves and output, while Mai lacked them, yet that didn’t stop her from creating the SSK. Either way, that’s a false equivalence. BM CT is different; I don’t see where it was stated that manipulating body temperature is so complex when it should be a basic application.

Hakari literally has the fastest domain. Read the manga.

You should take some time and read the arguments again.

Maki is irrelevant here. Base Hakari himself was fast enough to activate his domain despite Uraume activites their technique. So another argument from you with lack of series knowledge

I didn’t mention anything about Domain speed. It was his own speed while reacting to Uraume. Even then, Yuji’s Domain is also faster, since Sukuna couldn’t react to it in time.

First of all, stop ignoring the argument and explain why Yuji would suddenly act dumb and not start with his Domain, especially when he knows Uraume has a massive AOE CT and has already been caught by it twice. You keep ignoring this argument and spamming, “Except for Higuruma and Hakari, no one uses their Domain as a first move,” even though I already mentioned that Yuji didn’t even have a Domain back then. Your whole argument relies on the belief that only those two should start with their Domains, which is just an argument from incredulity.

Yuji is only dumb academically. His fighting skills are top-notch, and he knows what he needs to do when he needs to do it. He didn’t just rely on punches after getting Shrine; he changed its application into Soul Dismantle and started using BVs. You’re making a baseless claim that Yuji would just stand there and go for CQC against an opponent with a massive AOE ability that he already knows about.

 

[ShionAH]

Bruh thought he did something with this. First of all, learn the difference between “basically” and “almost,” because I think you’re trying to say “almost,” not “basically.” “Basically” means fundamentally, not what you’re trying to say. Just because you don’t know the meaning and fumbled your argument doesn’t mean I have to delete my replies.

Yuji has never started with domain in character, basically other than Higuruma or Hakari NO character starts with a domain.

You said that despite me making it clear there are two special exceptions. How is two characters WHOS ENTIRE TECHNIQUE IS DOMAINS help your argument, it doesn’t. Delete it, thats embarrassing and pathetic.

Both created their own versions of SG tools. Yorozu had CE reserves and output, while Mai lacked them, yet that didn’t stop her from creating the SSK. Either way, that’s a false equivalence. BM CT is different; I don’t see where it was stated that manipulating body temperature is so complex when it should be a basic application.

I don’t see where it was stated Yuji can control the body temperature through blood manipulation either. Any proof?

I didn’t mention anything about Domain speed. It was his own speed while reacting to Uraume.

You said he got his domain off before she could attack. Which is clearly because of his special domain speed that’s superior to the rest of the verse.

Even then, Yuji’s Domain is also faster, since Sukuna couldn’t react to it in time.

Completely making stuff up now, woah.

First of all, stop ignoring the argument and explain why Yuji would suddenly act dumb and not start with his Domain, especially when he knows Uraume has a massive AOE CT and has already been caught by it twice. You keep ignoring this argument and spamming, “Except for Higuruma and Hakari, no one uses their Domain as a first move,” even though I already mentioned that Yuji didn’t even have a Domain back then. Your whole argument relies on the belief that only those two should start with their Domains, which is just an argument from incredulity.

Show me proof Yuji would start with a domain when no normal sorcerers ever does, its only exceptions like Higuruma or Hakari whos entire technique is domain.

Yuji is only dumb academically. His fighting skills are top-notch, and he knows what he needs to do when he needs to do it. He didn’t just rely on punches after getting Shrine; he changed its application into Soul Dismantle and started using BVs. You’re making a baseless claim that Yuji would just stand there and go for CQC against an opponent with a massive AOE ability that he already knows about.

they are 5 meters apart, either he rushes and gets one tapped or tries to escape the range and gets one tapped before he can do anything. Frost calm is way too big and fast for him.

you keep repeating yourself and using headcanon and not using the official profile, I am done.

 

[Sus]

yall should tone it down a bit

 

[LIGHTYW]

Yuji FRA

 

[Sus]

Yuji FRA

you forgot to capitalize yuji

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Arkenis]

Also I mentioned Uraume has a mindset to look down on others. So they wouldn't start with whatever they did against Hakari.

Chapter 257

It's made clear Uraume understands Yuji's potential and physiology. She has no reason to hold back.

BM CT is different; I don’t see where it was stated that manipulating body temperature is so complex when it should be a basic application.

It's clear that the bm that does this, is through frs. And this frost calm used wasn't max output yet Choso or Kamo didn't instantly vaporize it. Does Yuji even use frs?

I'm kinda leaning to Uraume, I'm not very sure shrine will shatter the ice either. There's also ice fall that could be focused on Yuji making it harder to dodge, and we know Uraume's ap is good enough to rip through Hakari. Also, whatever the ice moon is, has massive range and freezes all around, might be Uraume's third win con besides regular ice.

Also what did Uraume do here? Just twist his leg or did the ice just kill Hakari's foot?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Chapter 257

It's made clear Uraume understands Yuji's potential and physiology. She has no reason to hold back.

Yuji's output is not anything bigger than Yuta or Hakari so having Sukuna's potential not alone gonna make Uraume go all out I think. But they definitely lacks information on Blood Manipulation.

It's clear that the bm that does this, is through frs. And this frost calm used wasn't max output yet Choso or Kamo didn't instantly vaporize it. Does Yuji even use frs?

I'm not saying he can instantly escape but I'm saying he can survive both are different things and using Cleave he should be able to break free.

I'm kinda leaning to Uraume, I'm not very sure shrine will shatter the ice either.

Why wouldn't?

There's also ice fall that could be focused on Yuji making it harder to dodge, and we know Uraume's ap is good enough to rip through Hakari. Also, whatever the ice moon is, has massive range and freezes all around, might be Uraume's third win con besides regular ice.

I never denied they lacks the AP read my arguments. By your logic Uraume wouldn't hold back same goes for Yuji who already has information on Uraume long rage CT and he already got caught by their technique twice why would he not go for the domain?
He had perfect counter for Incarnated Players. So obviously he should and would go for Domain. It's one who strikes first Yuji has better survival rate than Uraume that's all. Beside even in Epilogue of JJK we see Sukuna not getting affected by Uraume Freeze which they themselves questions. So by physiology stuff Yuji should be somewhat resistant to their freezing which was implied in Shibuya and CG..

Also what did Uraume do here? Just twist his leg or did the ice just kill Hakari's foot?

I'm pretty sure it's Hakari who actually twisted the leg not Uraume. You can see the surprise look in the eyes either way that's irrelevant.

Also read the rules it's just 5 meters apart. Yuji should be able to cover the distance and Land a BF on them if not going straight for the domain. Yuji got good travel speed.

 

[Arkenis]

Yuji's output is not anything bigger than Yuta or Hakari so having Sukuna's potential not alone gonna make Uraume go all out I think. But they definitely lacks information on Blood Manipulation.

So what, output isn't the point. Uraume can feel Yuji's different as a vessel, she knows Yuji has Sukuna's power. She's not holding back. Just like she did several times she fights, its always right away tryna kill.

I'm not saying he can instantly escape but I'm saying he can survive both are different things and using Cleave he should be able to break free.

Well okay, if he's not escaping instantly, why wouldn't Uraume just further ice him or kill him with the ice finger or a spike. Do you believe cleave will shatter it instantly?

Why wouldn't?

Because its weak.

I never denied they lacks the AP read my arguments. By your logic Uraume wouldn't hold back same goes for Yuji who already has information on Uraume long rage CT and he already got caught by their technique twice why would he not go for the domain?

Yeah ik. I was bringing up that in general. Yeah Yuji shouldn't hold back, I just don't believe he'd kill Uraume as his first decision, while Uraume would. He'll just try thinking the ice, he does this for Mahito and Sukuna. Plus now with rct, sd, shrine and bm, he's gonna be more confident.

He had perfect counter for Incarnated Players. So obviously he should and would go for Domain. It's one who strikes first Yuji has better survival rate than Uraume that's all. Beside even in Epilogue of JJK we see Sukuna not getting affected by Uraume Freeze which they themselves questions. So by physiology stuff Yuji should be somewhat resistant to their freezing which was implied in Shibuya and CG..

Having a gun and using it are two different things, so no he's not obviously going to use de due to what I said above. Sukuna's physiology is superior to Yuji's, it's more likely Sukuna's resistant due to his body than ce. But if you disagree, that's regular Heian era Sukuna. Not a weak version of a dying Sukuna, which is what Yuji was.
Personally, it just reads as Uraume and Sukuna holding back subconsciously due to feeling sympathy for one another.

Also read the rules it's just 5 meters apart. Yuji should be able to cover the distance and Land a BF on them if not going straight for the domain. Yuji got good travel speed.

And Uraume should be able to react and dodge. 5 meters becomes 20 or more when Yuji remembers Uraume can do this shit too.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

So what, output isn't the point. Uraume can feel Yuji's different as a vessel, she knows Yuji has Sukuna's power. She's not holding back. Just like she did several times she fights, its always right away tryna kill.

They never done that. They didn't even had any idea until Sukuna mentioned he is related. So whatever you are saying is just you making things up.

Well okay, if he's not escaping instantly, why wouldn't Uraume just further ice him or kill him with the ice finger or a spike.

They need to attack it to shatter and kill the target inside the ice. They are not freezing and breaking it on whim. That's not how Series displayed their ability so obviously Yuji gets the time to cleave the ice.

Do you believe cleave will shatter it instantly?

Yes

Because its weak.

Showing a scan of Sukuna's leg hanging around and calling it weak is funny. Are you forgetting Sukuna was way stronger than him at this point to the level when he can take Bfs from Yuji when equal level of opponents were getting dog walked by same Bfs? It's weak compared to Sukuna's expections not that it will be weak against similar level opponents.

Yeah ik. I was bringing up that in general. Yeah Yuji shouldn't hold back, I just don't believe he'd kill Uraume as his first decision, while Uraume would.

He doesn't need to kill them he can offer them a place after removing them from the vessel similar to how he offered Sukuna. So this argument doesn't hold much on your end. He can use domain and split them and still try to offer them a chance.

He'll just try thinking the ice, he does this for Mahito and Sukuna. Plus now with rct, sd, shrine and bm, he's gonna be more confident.

Except he uses his abilities with good IQ rather than just jumping in straight. Having all those abilities doesn't mean he would let gets frozen when he literally has easy way to beat them.

Having a gun and using it are two different things, so no he's not obviously going to use de due to what I said above. Sukuna's physiology is superior to Yuji's, it's more likely Sukuna's resistant due to his body than ce. But if you disagree, that's regular Heian era Sukuna. Not a weak version of a dying Sukuna, which is what Yuji was.

Even if you say it's due to body Yuji's body information is composed of Sukuna's to some extent and like I pointed out it's implied in Shibuya he is not frozen due to Sukuna.

Personally, it just reads as Uraume and Sukuna holding back subconsciously due to feeling sympathy for one another.

We see Uraume parents bodies and Sukuna walking beside them. Definitely I don't agree with Uraume even before meeting sukuna somehow just not try to froze him passively.

And Uraume should be able to react and dodge. 5 meters becomes 20 or more when Yuji remembers Uraume can do this shit too.

They lack any good CQC feats to dodge Yuji's attacks. Even if you don't agree I say Yuji has better chances of winning with his domain.

Also knowing his domain has BFR kind of effect some other stuff yeah definitely it's more likely he would drag Uraume into his domain and try to reason with them if that doesn't work he can just soul dismantle them instantly. He has zero reasons to just going CQC.