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Dissonant Reality complete revamp + attempt to implement Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 and upgrade of Logic Manipulation Blog (Madness Combat)

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Dissonant Reality Revamp

Resistance
  • The Nowhere (As The Nowhere still exists within constraints of logic, dissonant reality should be able to ignore its properties)

Potency

5D (Dissonance originates from The Other Place,[8] which is infinitely more complex than what the mind can handle[12]. Furthermore, it can affect logic which makes up both The Machine and and The Auditor, Tricky, who is filled with dissonant reality, was able to cause damage to The Auditor while he was inside him[13].


Examples


Updated blog for logic


I added following:


And most notably this:


The Nowhere and nonexistence related to logic
We have evidence to suggest that The Machine and its influence can operate independently from reality and extend its reach to nonexistence. The Machine appears to govern The Nowhere as assimilating into Nowhere (which is where our story ceases to be) was described as returning to The Machine, this process is also depicted as our Protagonist's "story getting untold", The Nowhere is a divine primordial source (also known as "The Liminal Halls") which is non-existent and where everything began to exist simultaneously, The Nowhere even was stated to not be a place in a conventional sense and rather "exist contrary" to the universe, it was capable of consuming all of reality and is described as a realm where everything what's forgotten goes. Due to its nature The Nowhere can't be remembered by anyone, it is a realm of all untold stories where everyone stops to exist upon going here (but our protagonist is apparently immune to it, presumably thanks to his heritage as a Generation 1), from context above we understand that the "untold stories" refers to both stories that weren't brought into existence and stories that once existed but ended up here, it is a domain of all undreamt things that weren't shaped by The Maker into existence[2], it is even revealed that our protagonist in Arena Mode (and hence his story) was yanked from The Nowhere and before this he didn't have any palpable past and weight in the world, however at the same time it is implied that The Arena Protagonist actually had the past as a grunt who was shot from a cannon into Marshmallow but this period seemingly ceased to exist and was lost in The Nowhere, nevertheless Protagonist himself isn't able to remember this and declares that he didn't have a past, the notion of his past being nonexistent is supported by The Maker[3]. When entering The Nowhere, our character loses all his accumulated powers and stats to an extent of his current identity (origin that you choose in the beginning of the game), though his own "original" existence remains to be.
In summary, The Nowhere is a domain of nothingness and pure potential that exists contrary to the universe, an abstract void which serves as a progenitor to all of existence and where are contained all undreamt things that weren't added into reality, on another hand it is also a realm where everything, including even stories and past events, cease to be, to the point that it was able to consume the whole universe (with it even being said that The Nowhere is where all untold stories are stored), The Machine contains and presumably shapes The Nowhere, seeing how assimilating into The Nowhere and having your story erased is equated to returning to The Machine, this means that The Machine potentially existed alongside The Nowhere and before the rest of reality. It is a conceptual foundation and source from whence everything began and where everything will meet its end, and it is a realm which covers all undreamt things and untold stories that stayed here as sheer potential which wasn't molded into existence or was forgotten, however it is still placed within The Machine. Because of this it qualifies for Independent Universal Concept since it is an abstract primordial void which spawned the universe and governs all forgotten things and stories in the form of nonexistent unreleased potential while also being independent and threatening to consume the aforementioned universe (presumably by converting it into part of its nonexistence) but still existing inside The Machine's scope.
Because of all aforementioned evidence, The Nowhere by itself qualifies for Existence Erasure (Narrative. Concept. History), Void Manipulation, Chaos Manipulation, Power Nullification, Statistics Reduction, Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1: Aspects 1, 3, 5 - Narrative, Space-Time, History, Fate, Law, Life Force.).
 
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pls make the black text a different color it is painfully difficult to read
 
Since when did the nowhere exist in the constraints of logic? It specifically exists where The Machine, a thing that defines logic, cannot see it.
 
Since when did the nowhere exist in the constraints of logic? It specifically exists where The Machine, a thing that defines logic, cannot see it.
Assimilating to The Nowhere was described as "returning" to The Machine
 
Assimilating to The Nowhere was described as "returning" to The Machine
Yes, but that is with the help of The Maker. The Nowhere itself is a place The Maker resides to stay hidden. It wouldn't make sense for The Maker to go somewhere that is apart of the machine to stay hidden from it.
 
Yes, but that is with the help of The Maker. The Nowhere itself is a place The Maker resides to stay hidden. It wouldn't make sense for The Maker to go somewhere that is apart of the machine to stay hidden from it.
The Maker staying beyond The Machine's scope is likely more about what he can do on his own, considering how we literally see him visiting llaces that are 100% governed by The Machine which would make no sense if he was able to exist solely in The Nowhere (that one basement and Magiturger's pocket dimension)
 
Yes, but that is with the help of The Maker. The Nowhere itself is a place The Maker resides to stay hidden. It wouldn't make sense for The Maker to go somewhere that is apart of the machine to stay hidden from it.
The Maker staying beyond The Machine's scope is likely more about what he can do on his own, considering how we literally see him visiting places that are 100% governed by The Machine which would make no sense if he was able to exist solely in The Nowhere (that one basement and Magiturger's pocket dimension)
 
The Maker staying beyond The Machine's scope is likely more about what he can do on his own, considering how we literally see him visiting llaces that are 100% governed by The Machine which would make no sense if he was able to exist solely in The Nowhere (that one basement and Magiturger's pocket dimension)
Whenever they do venture into there, they always makes sure to say how dangerous it is that they are there. The Maker being in a domain of The Machine is established very often to be dangerous for them, and even speaking about him in Nevada is enough to endanger them. It makes no sense they'd stay in The Nowhere if it existed primarily within The Machine.
 
Whenever he does venture into there, he always makes sure to say how dangerous it is that he is there. Him being in a domain of The Machine is established very often to be dangerous for him
We see him freely sitting in The Machine's dimension from Magiturger origin
even speaking about him in Nevada is enough to endanger him. It makes no sense he would stay in The Nowhere if it existed primarily within The Machine.
This is because people drawing attention to him is what really endangers him, hence why he gets scared of protagonists when they catch him drawing these scrawlings in Nevada. It actually disproves the whole point of The Machine not being able to reach The Nowhere, since if he is indeed absolutely safe in The Nowhere and always could stay here outside of The Machine then why even bother to don't mention him at all?
 
We see him freely sitting in The Machine's dimension from Magiturger origin
Is the dimension more of The Machine's or The Maker's? As it seems more likely it's a realm for the maker, considering The Gambler is there. And the fact the maker is there, talking to someone to no ill of himself.
This is because people drawing attention to him is what really endangers him, hence why he gets scared of protagonists when they catch him drawing these scrawlings in Nevada. It actually disproves the whole point of The Machine not being able to reach The Nowhere, since if he is indeed absolutely safe in The Nowhere and always could stay here outside of The Machine then why even bother to don't mention him at all?
He can't just stay in the nowhere because the whole point of the arena mode is that The Maker is trying to stop the apocalypse that would start if The Machine reaches it's redefinition, which he specifies would mean The Maker would be absorbed into The Machine.
 
Is the dimension more of The Machine's or The Maker's? As it seems more likely it's a realm for the maker, considering The Gambler is there. And the fact the maker is there, talking to someone to no ill of himself.
We literally see its gears being everywhere + some of its robots and even Grand Steward here. It also looks exactly like the arena where we fight The Machine/Grand Stewars.

Of course an entity who hides from The Machine sitting in the place which is connected to The Machine sounds weird, but it makes sense assumimg that he can just can exist everywhere in safety from The Machine as long nobody directly mentions and speaks to him

He can't just stay in the nowhere because the whole point of the arena mode is that The Maker is trying to stop the apocalypse that would start if The Machine reaches it's redefinition, which he specifies would mean The Maker would be absorbed into The Machine.
His "salvation" of this apocalypsis is making sure that our protagonist meets Doc who in own turn guides us to assimilating into Nowhere and having us untold the story there to save Nevada (Aka enmesh mandatus), nowhere it is stated that he helps to prevent in some other way beyond this

Btw, Gambler explicitly stays that when we assimilate into The Nowhere we return to The Machine and our story ceases to be part of Nevada
 
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We literally see its gears being everywhere + some of its robots and even Grand Steward here. It also looks exactly like the arena where we fight The Machine/Grand Stewars.
Okay, appearance it looks similar to things from the machine... Which makes sense for the guy who made The Machine.
Of course an entity who hides from The Machine sitting in the place which is connected to The Machine sounds weird, but it makes sense assumimg that he can just can exist everywhere in safety from The Machine as long nobody directly mentions and speaks to him
And you do both in that realm, so obviously it's not within the bounds of the machine then.
His "salvation" of this apocalypsis is making sure that our protagonist meets Doc who in own turn guides us to assimilating into Nowhere and having us untold the story there to save Nevada (Aka enmesh mandatus), nowhere it is stated that he helps to prevent in some other way beyond this

Btw, Gambler explicitly stays that when we assimilate into The Nowhere we return to The Machine and our story ceases to be part of Nevada
And none of this even slightly crosses the problem of him being in a realm that's supposedly tied directly to the machine, is spoken to (which is basically a death sentence to him as you yourself said) without any issues. Regardless of what The Gambler and The Maker themselves say, it's established that what you do in that realm would have gotten them absorbed and it doesn't.

Doc's notes already say that going to The Nowhere is a means of controlling The Machine with the help of The Maker.
 
And you do both in that realm, so obviously it's not within the bounds of the machine then.
We see The Maker appearing in Nevada just fine. Also seeing here The Grand Steward itself is still suspicious

And none of this even slightly crosses the problem of him being in a realm that's supposedly tied directly to the machine, is spoken to (which is basically a death sentence to him as you yourself said) without any issues. Regardless of what The Gambler and The Maker themselves say, it's established that what you do in that realm would have gotten them absorbed and it doesn't.
How so? Gambler straight up says that assimilating to The Nowhere means returning to The Machine and The Maker was shown to be able exist in Nevada as long nobody is around. The only thing that was established is that mentioning The Maker will have him absorbed
Doc's notes already say that going to The Nowhere is a means of controlling The Machine with the help of The Maker.
Doesn't Doc literally try to control it from Nevada itself with our help?
 
I will return to this thread a bit later, currently busy with stuff in my life
 
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