Thragg vs Might Guy [13-12-0]

[Aytugsss]

This is 8th gate, not regular gates where he can show skill. You think I'm insinuating cuz you aren't reading what I said.


Thragg's got greater LS to resist its pull.


Def is. We saw how Guy hit Madara, left his head unhurt. Nolan survived his damaged heart too albeit died later on. Guy dies after Night Guy, Thragg doesn't.


Oh but it is.


Show him doing the kicking air when he does night guy.


No he said it would be bad and then literally got hit by four and still got up from it, even from a direct punch which he feared more. Thragg's doing the same thing. I don't think yall understand that he's got the stamina to keep getting hit by severe attacks for days. A couple sekizo's ain't gonna work, and Guy will opt to Night Guy after realizing it.


He'll live from it longer than it takes Guy to die.

You just being bias right now
You cant ignore 2x ap difference, you would say thragg is higher than his own value but its change nothing because sekizo and night guy is just amp his ap very much.
Why he cant kick air when he do it with weaker attacks.
And i doupt thragg would be able to survive sekizo without heavy damage
Madara has more endurance and stamina then thragg.
Might guy is stronger , faster and has 2 more amps to his values
No again thragg wouldnt be able to survive when even madara almost died

 

[Iyke2077]

Thragg FRA

Despite 2 times AP gap, Thragg just really have to out last Might Guy. I don't know much about Naruto but wouldn't Might Guy not use some basic chakra/ninjutsu techniques as he is in death door in Eight Gate state like with his fight against Madara

 

[Kachon123]

Definitely voting for Thragg. The AP gap is negligible, meaning Guy would have to use his strongest attacks to deal significant damage, all while simultaneously injuring himself. Thragg has far higher LS which he can use to rip Guy apart if given the chance, and can also fly to avoid direct attacks or zone him while outlasting 8th Gate. He also can endure this level of damage and keep fighting, so chances are he'll be the last man standing.

 

[Arkenis]

You just being bias right now
You cant ignore 2x ap difference, you would say thragg is higher than his own value but its change nothing because sekizo and night guy is just amp his ap very much.

I can. Sekizo amps ap sure and so does Night Guy. Sekizo didn't do anything to Madara, nor did a direct punch from Guy. Night Guy does amp ap and I've acknowledged that, Thragg just survives it and lives longer than Guy would afterwards OR Thragg avoids the giant dragon aura coming at him.

Why he cant kick air when he do it with weaker attacks.

Can he do it while rushing with Night Guy?

And i doupt thragg would be able to survive sekizo without heavy damage
Madara has more endurance and stamina then thragg.

But Madara survived it with little damage and he's barely stronger than Thragg. Sure Madara does, doesn't change Thragg's got enough to last against Guy.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I can. Sekizo amps ap sure and so does Night Guy. Sekizo didn't do anything to Madara, nor did a direct punch from Guy. Night Guy does amp ap and I've acknowledged that, Thragg just survives it and lives longer than Guy would afterwards OR Thragg avoids the giant dragon aura coming at him.


Can he do it while rushing with Night Guy?


But Madara survived it with little damage and he's barely stronger than Thragg. Sure Madara does, doesn't change Thragg's got enough to last against Guy.

The guy more than twice more durable than thragg with mid regen levels survived so thragg survives? Is that your point?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Wait, wasn't Thragg's usual MO just to **** off into space and ram through Earth and destroy it within the first sign of trouble from Might Guy?
Am I tweaking or is this not like a genuine wincon for Thragg? Since some of his matches will have people arguing for this.

 

[Arkenis]

The guy more than twice more durable than thragg with mid regen levels survived so thragg survives? Is that your point?

Why do you guys keep saying it like it changes much. Thragg's value is already below him by a good amount. Meanwhile Madara's value comes from being maybe half of Hagoromo. So no, I've already said viltrumites can survive with their brain and heart mostly intact, I think Thragg survives Night Guy like that OR he just flies away and Guy ends up dying.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why do you guys keep saying it like it changes much. Thragg's value is already below him by a good amount. Meanwhile Madara's value comes from being maybe half of Hagoromo. So no, I've already said viltrumites can survive with their brain and heart mostly intact, I think Thragg survives Night Guy like that OR he just flies away and Guy ends up dying.

He really doesn't survive. Where madara value comes from doesn't matter. The fact is he is more than twice as durable as thragg and he got half of his body blown into bits, thragg would directly turn into paste

 

[Aytugsss]

I can. Sekizo amps ap sure and so does Night Guy. Sekizo didn't do anything to Madara, nor did a direct punch from Guy. Night Guy does amp ap and I've acknowledged that, Thragg just survives it and lives longer than Guy would afterwards OR Thragg avoids the giant dragon aura coming at him.


Can he do it while rushing with Night Guy?


But Madara survived it with little damage and he's barely stronger than Thragg. Sure Madara does, doesn't change Thragg's got enough to last against Guy.

Nah thragg is weaker than madara so muh
Madara used tso for defending himself against guys sekizo and its not even enough he damaged him l, madara cought up blood many times .
Night guy destroyed 3/1 of madaras body and madara only surevived because of his regeneration.
Guy is far faster than thragg, means thragg cant run from him

 

[MochOath]

How in the world is Thragg more skilled? Like what??? Infact, I find it difficult for Thragg to be more skilled than the average Shinobi who literally have to master so many skillful combat techniques. Viltrumites are literally just pure power. No skill whatsoever. Virtually all Viltrumites never train in any form of martial arts in their life, as they rely purely on power to overwhelm their opponents. Guy's awareness in combat supersedes Thragg's. So is his battle iq and his hand to hand techniques. This is not even close. Thragg's lifting strength doesnt really matter because again, Thragg is a brawler with no technique. Just raw power and speed. Might Gai is an expert h2h combatant with even more power. A Night Guy to Thragg's face would definitely do the job as he lacks the instant regenerative power of Madara's.

The only way Thragg survives is by making sure his head or heart doesnt get pulverized by Nigjt guy, but then again, that would hard since Night Guy literally bends space amd prevents you from shielding yourself as we saw against Madara.

Might Guy Gg

Is this a vote?

Thragg FRA

Despite 2 times AP gap, Thragg just really have to out last Might Guy. I don't know much about Naruto but wouldn't Might Guy not use some basic chakra/ninjutsu techniques as he is in death door in Eight Gate state like with his fight against Madara

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Definitely voting for Thragg. The AP gap is negligible, meaning Guy would have to use his strongest attacks to deal significant damage, all while simultaneously injuring himself. Thragg has far higher LS which he can use to rip Guy apart if given the chance, and can also fly to avoid direct attacks or zone him while outlasting 8th Gate. He also can endure this level of damage and keep fighting, so chances are he'll be the last man standing.

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[AyOgUyS]

Wait, wasn't Thragg's usual MO just to **** off into space and ram through Earth and destroy it within the first sign of trouble from Might Guy?
Am I tweaking or is this not like a genuine wincon for Thragg? Since some of his matches will have people arguing for this.

I mean if he wants he can just blow up the planet and win that way

 

[Shadowslash125]

I mean if he wants he can just blow up the planet and win that way

Not if he wants; he will, no?
That was like the number 2 thing he'd do if he's frustrated at some human not dying to his shit.

 

[MochOath]

Not if he wants; he will, no?
That was like the number 2 thing he'd do if he's frustrated at some human not dying to his shit.

youve been reading too many Gojo vs Thragg debates lol

 

[Shadowslash125]

youve been reading too many Gojo vs Thragg debates lol

That's a thing? Wtf...
I'm mainly speaking from experience from the first Thragg match I've experienced in Vsbw.

Kamen Rider Punkjack vs Thragg: Throwing Hands (8-7-0) 72 HOURS GRACE INCON ENDED

Lol another Geats matchup Keys and Versions used: Conspiracy Arc Kamen Rider Punkjack (Low 7-C, 7-C with Fever) & Post-Timeskip Thragg (Far Higher Low 5-B). Punkjack is allowed to use the Fever Buckle, but not any form of Fever Boost. Boost is also restricted. Location: Cynosure Facility...

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Which is why I'm rather confused as to why Thragg doesn't just destroy earth the moment he starts struggling.

 

[Tdjwo]

Is this a vote?

Yes. Guy takes this mid diff at best imo.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Voting guy by the way

 

[CatLover313]

Voting Thragg, mostly for reasons above especially since the AP gap is low-ish but the LS gap is ginourmous

 

[MochOath]

Voting Thragg, mostly for reasons above especially since the AP gap is negligble but the LS gap is ginourmous

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[BEASTHEART8800]

Thragg FRA

 

[DavidTPPM]

Ngl I think people are kinda underselling Guy's AP advantage here. Madara can basically instantly regenerate like a quarter of his body missing and block off any direct attacks with EE shields which makes him extra hard to tag even with Sekizos 5x speed amp.
Even just few indirect attacks were considered threatening to Madara who not only had mid regen but also was twice as durable as Thragg, while a direct blow was supposedly even worse. Mind you Madaras scaling here is based on being "close to" a 5B character so he should realistically be closer to the value and 50% was only picked as a conservative estimate.

And Thraggs own upscaling isn't really significant either. The low 5-B feat that Tech Jacket upscales took a long wind up across thousands of kilometers for high level Viltrumites and could have killed them if performed even slightly off. Meanwhile pre-upgrade Tech Jacket barely staggered a Viltrumite of similar level and was mostly getting his ass beat during the war. His best feat to the L5B scaling was giving 2 no name Viltrumites minor nosebleeds and even then he joked about being useless through the war. So sure TC upscales heavily above his 10x amp but he also barely even scales to his original value (frankly Sakura has a better feat on Kaguya than TC on Viltrumites) to the point of joking about his own uselessness.


So all things considered, this is just Guy vs Madara but Madara doesn't have any danger sense abilities, mid regen, or EE shields. Meanwhile all Guy loses is a speed advantage which all things considered is still relatively minor given Sekizo can serve as a 5x amp and shunshin is still a blitz tier amp on its own.

So yeah I'm voting Guy here. I really don't see Thragg surviving this or getting a hold of Guy to rip him apart

 

[Richardo908]

Voting Guy FRA

 

[LoudestProcedure]

I'm going with might guy

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Guy FRA

Ngl I think people are kinda underselling Guy's AP advantage here. Madara can basically instantly regenerate like a quarter of his body missing and block off any direct attacks with EE shields which makes him extra hard to tag even with Sekizos 5x speed amp.
Even just few indirect attacks were considered threatening to Madara who not only had mid regen but also was twice as durable as Thragg, while a direct blow was supposedly even worse. Mind you Madaras scaling here is based on being "close to" a 5B character so he should realistically be closer to the value and 50% was only picked as a conservative estimate.

And Thraggs own upscaling isn't really significant either. The low 5-B feat that Tech Jacket upscales took a long wind up across thousands of kilometers for high level Viltrumites and could have killed them if performed even slightly off. Meanwhile pre-upgrade Tech Jacket barely staggered a Viltrumite of similar level and was mostly getting his ass beat during the war. His best feat to the L5B scaling was giving 2 no name Viltrumites minor nosebleeds and even then he joked about being useless through the war. So sure TC upscales heavily above his 10x amp but he also barely even scales to his original value (frankly Sakura has a better feat on Kaguya than TC on Viltrumites) to the point of joking about his own uselessness.


So all things considered, this is just Guy vs Madara but Madara doesn't have any danger sense abilities, mid regen, or EE shields. Meanwhile all Guy loses is a speed advantage which all things considered is still relatively minor given Sekizo can serve as a 5x amp and shunshin is still a blitz tier amp on its own.

So yeah I'm voting Guy here. I really don't see Thragg surviving this or getting a hold of Guy to rip him apart

Very easy win for Guy here

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Thragg uses his MFTL+ Travel speed to outrun guy and destroy the planet once he sees how much damage guy can actually do to him

seikizo can't really hold him down because of the LS advantage and guy only uses night guy at then end of the 8th gate while thragg usually just nukes the planet when pushed and he def would get pushed considering the AP advantage guy has here

edit: nvm thraggs travel speed would be ftl but thats still beyond guys so its the same outcome

thragg fra

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Thragg uses his MFTL+ Travel speed to outrun guy and destroy the planet once he sees how much damage guy can actually do to him

Speed is equalized.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Speed is equalized.

yes i'm aware

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

yes i'm aware

Which means Thragg cannot move MFTL, correct

 

[FARLANDER3305]

Which means Thragg cannot move MFTL, correct

He can do Via accelaration
Like what nolan did to thoose random aliens in Season 1

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Which means Thragg cannot move MFTL, correct

oh yeah technically his travel speed would be FTL since his combat and travel are both the same and thats being equated to guys combat-

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

He can do Via accelaration
Like what nolan did to thoose random aliens in Season 1

Speed is literally equalized and the rule is you cannot go over the capped speed unless theirs amps. He cannot amp himself to MFTL+, Acceleration is not an amp on his profile either

oh yeah technically his travel speed would be FTL since his combat and travel are both the same and thats being equated to guys combat-

Guy moves at the same speed he does. If he starts flying, hed just pull out Anti Madara tactics

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Speed is literally equalized and the rule is you cannot go over the capped speed unless theirs amps.

speed equal just equalizes combat speed

as far as reaction and other abilities go it equalizes them based on their multiple to combat

He cannot amp himself to MFTL+,

he dosen't really need too

Acceleration is not an amp on his profile either

thragg has that level of travel speed normally (based on what I remember from invincible supporters anyway)

Guy moves at the same speed he does.

in combat yes, in travel no

If he starts flying, hed just pull out Anti Madara tactics

his anti madara tactics mainly revolved around using sekizo to pin him down while constantly pressuring him (he also had some support too)

he can't do that to a guy with travel speed and LS far above his own

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

speed equal just equalizes combat speed

as far as reaction and other abilities go it equalizes them based on their multiple to combat

he dosen't really need too

thragg has that level of travel speed normally (based on what I remember from invincible supporters anyway)

in combat yes, in travel no

his anti madara tactics mainly revolved around using sekizo to pin him down while constantly pressuring him (he also had some support too)

he can't do that to a guy with travel speed and LS far above his own

• The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc.
  • Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

Incorrect. Thragg does not retain MFTL+ speed

 

[Arkenis]

I guess that should be noted on page cuz thats just how viltrumites gain their mftl speed.

 

[Arkenis]

Incorrect. Thragg does not retain MFTL+ speed

Viltrumites speed amp makes them mftl+ though. So he would just gain that increase when he decides to go faster

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I guess that should be noted on page cuz thats just how viltrumites gain their mftl speed.

Bruh, no one is saying they aren't MFTL+ or Wtv, they just don't retain their speed under speed equal rules. Just like any other fiction character even if you're 1 million X Immeasurable speed. If your opponent is subsonic, you're being equalized there.

Viltrumites speed amp makes them mftl+ though. So he would just gain that increase when he decides to go faster

Read the rules. It says every speed gets equalized under speed equal rules. If he starts flying he'd just be FTL capped as if that were his original speed. He's not accelerating and I can't believe I have to say this when the literal rules are there. If he had an acceleration amp, he'd be MFTL+ via acceleration but he doesn't. Nor does the profile make that certain/clear

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules

 

[Arkenis]

Bruh, no one is saying they aren't MFTL+ or Wtv, they just don't retain their speed under speed equal rules. Just like any other fiction character even if you're 1 million X Immeasurable speed. If your opponent is subsonic, you're being equalized there.

Read the rules. It says every speed gets equalized under speed equal rules. If he starts flying he'd just be FTL capped as if that were his original speed. He's not accelerating and I can't believe I have to say this when the literal rules are there. If he had an acceleration amp, he'd be MFTL+ via acceleration but he doesn't. Nor does the profile make that certain/clear

Yeah thats why I said the page should list that his speed works through acceleration

 

[MochOath]

Thragg FRA

So yeah I'm voting Guy here. I really don't see Thragg surviving this or getting a hold of Guy to rip him apart

Voting Guy FRA

I'm going with might guy

Guy FRA

Very easy win for Guy here

thragg fra

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[FARLANDER3305]

Voting Guy FRA

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Incorrect. Thragg does not retain MFTL+ speed

• The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc.
  • Speed Amplification techniques are assumed to grant the same percentile of increase to a character's equalized speeds, as they would to their usual speeds.

the very first part of what you quoted is literally what I said