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Katsuki Bakugo vs The Five Kage [10-7-0]

Bakugo resists this and the Temporary Paralysis Technique is dependent on the user's strength, of which A doesn't have enough even with Heavy Buff
He doesn't actually. Also it's not dependent on the users strength, it's hax , paralysis works by messing with your synapsis wia the electric current going through.
Against Madara, he never gave the same person both buffs before. Like I said, increasing someone's weight while also decreasing someone's weight just cancels out and nothing happens.
Who said he has to? Ohnoki is precise enough to increase the speed and then switch to increasing strength when it is necessary. The speed increase isn't even necessary as ay can still keep up without it
Onoki doesn't have wood golems, and again the Susanoo are treated as 7 Teratons on this site so no he's not going to be ok from Bakugo's attacks
I meant to say stone golems. They aren't treated at 7 teratons by the way.
 
He doesn't actually. Also it's not dependent on the users strength, it's hax , paralysis works by messing with your synapsis wia the electric current going through.
Bakugo has resistance to electricity on his profile. Lightning isn't going to insta paralyze him

and as for the temporary paralysis, that's not how it works. O top of all of this, the technique has never been used in character by anyone. A using it isn't in character at all, his first instinct is punching and that won't do anything besides get him caught in the explosions and crossfire
Who said he has to? Ohnoki is precise enough to increase the speed and then switch to increasing strength when it is necessary. The speed increase isn't even necessary as ay can still keep up without it
except for a few things

1. Onoki himself can't buff his speed necessary to dodge hits, and he's still way weaker than Bakugo even with his buffed defenses and power. Considering Bakugo's massive range and firepower, Onoki is just going to die as collateral. Heck, Onoki's physical stats are only 7B, so the instant he gets touched he gets splattered and there's nothing he can do. The stone golems do nothing since Bakugo one shots characters many times stronger than the golems anyways so they will accomplish nothing
2. Bakugo is exploding all over the place. Onoki being precise as you say and switching to increased strength is impossible since they are all actively being blasted in almost every direction. The instant he tries switching they just get caught in the crossfire gg
I meant to say stone golems. They aren't treated at 7 teratons by the way.
The profiles and OP say otherwise

if you want to push for the Kage to be High 6A, then go ahead, but this match would need to be closed since you're pitting a single 6B against 5 High 6As. On top of that, you need to make a CRT
 
Bakugo has resistance to electricity on his profile. Lightning isn't going to insta paralyze him

and as for the temporary paralysis, that's not how it works. O top of all of this, the technique has never been used in character by anyone. A using it isn't in character at all, his first instinct is punching and that won't do anything besides get him caught in the explosions and crossfire

except for a few things

1. Onoki himself can't buff his speed necessary to dodge hits, and he's still way weaker than Bakugo even with his buffed defenses and power. Considering Bakugo's massive range and firepower, Onoki is just going to die as collateral. Heck, Onoki's physical stats are only 7B, so the instant he gets touched he gets splattered and there's nothing he can do. The stone golems do nothing since Bakugo one shots characters many times stronger than the golems anyways so they will accomplish nothing
2. Bakugo is exploding all over the place. Onoki being precise as you say and switching to increased strength is impossible since they are all actively being blasted in almost every direction. The instant he tries switching they just get caught in the crossfire gg

The profiles and OP say otherwise

if you want to push for the Kage to be High 6A, then go ahead, but this match would need to be closed since you're pitting a single 6B against 5 High 6As. On top of that, you need to make a CRT
İ dont think ohnoki need to amp raikages speed, raikage has enough speed or maybe more speed via v2 lightning cloak ,and v2 cloak also massively amps raikages ap which is most likely enough for raikage to damage him heavily. İf ohnoki amps raikages speed , bakugo most likely get blitzed by him
İs bakugos react speed scales to cluster? Btw
 
I don’t think you’ve got a grasp on how massively V2 A upscales from his 1c value to start with.
I already pointed out how A and Gaara start 3-4x above baseline FTL in blitz level. That alone puts them on equal footing with Bakugo, who’s a blitz level above 1.6c.

There’s no blitzing happening here in Bakugo’s favor. Bakugo isn’t one-shotting anyone since he doesn’t meet the threshold for a one-shot. If he manages to significantly damage them, cool, katsuyu just heals them back into shape. A and Gaara are far more experienced and are the better fighters here. We’ve focused so much on Bakugo vs A that we’ve forgotten this is an actual 5v1 lol.

All Gaara needs here is to get a hold on Bakugo, and it’s over. He gets sealed and restrained instantly. And yes, the scenario where Bakugo gets caught is very much viable. The moment A gets his speed amped by Onoki, he gains the advantage in speed, and Bakugo would turn his focus to him since A is now faster than him. While Bakugo’s fixated on A and possibly tries to nuke the area,(which A can escape with Body Flicker), Gaara just grabs him from his blind spot like he did to Rock Lee. If Bakugo doesn’t focus on A and decides to fight Gaara instead, he just gets tugged by A into Gaara’s sand due to the massive LS advantage.
 
İ dont think ohnoki need to amp raikages speed, raikage has enough speed or maybe more speed via v2 lightning cloak ,and v2 cloak also massively amps raikages ap which is most likely enough for raikage to damage him heavily. İf ohnoki amps raikages speed , bakugo most likely get blitzed by him
İs bakugos react speed scales to cluster? Btw
Bakugo's reaction speed scales to cluster, yes
I don’t think you’ve got a grasp on how massively V2 A upscales from his 1c value to start with.
I already pointed out how A and Gaara start 3-4x above baseline FTL in blitz level. That alone puts them on equal footing with Bakugo, who’s a blitz level above 1.6c.
this is true but they can't actually do anything with the speed. Bakugo is exploding everywhere, they can't get close enough with the speed to actually do anything without dying
There’s no blitzing happening here in Bakugo’s favor. Bakugo isn’t one-shotting anyone since he doesn’t meet the threshold for a one-shot. If he manages to significantly damage them, cool, katsuyu just heals them back into shape. A and Gaara are far more experienced and are the better fighters here. We’ve focused so much on Bakugo vs A that we’ve forgotten this is an actual 5v1 lol.
He 1 shots people at 18.65 teratons

His base explosions are at that level from scaling to Shoto and Deku, Howitzer is an in-universe 1 shot amp from 1 shotting the Serpenters who were stronger than him at the time and weren't injured since they outmaneuvered him during their fight, Cluster was stated by himself to be stronger than anything he's ever done before (including Howitzer), and both can be combined. He's genuinely just 1 shotting all of them without Onoki's heavy buff
All Gaara needs here is to get a hold on Bakugo, and it’s over. He gets sealed and restrained instantly. And yes, the scenario where Bakugo gets caught is very much viable. The moment A gets his speed amped by Onoki, he gains the advantage in speed, and Bakugo would turn his focus to him since A is now faster than him.
pretty sure if Onoki places his hand on everyone and now several people are outspeeding him, Bakugo's focus is going to switch to the tiny old man and just nuke him into oblivion. A and Gaara trying to bodyblock won't work cuz he's too strong, and Onoki himself is too slow to keep up with anything
While Bakugo’s fixated on A and possibly tries to nuke the area,(which A can escape with Body Flicker), Gaara just grabs him from his blind spot like he did to Rock Lee. If Bakugo doesn’t focus on A and decides to fight Gaara instead, he just gets tugged by A into Gaara’s sand due to the massive LS advantage.
Gaara catching Bakugo means Bakugo just explodes and now he's no longer restrained. Sure his LS is way worse but he just destroys the sand with explosions. There isn't a situation where A or Gaara can get close without being turned into bloody smears on the ground, and his sand just gets blown back with sheer AP

I've already addressed this point a few times. I'm perfectly fine with conceding about the speed stuff since A's scaling chain is very legitimate, but I've already explained why the speed simply doesn't matter since Onoki himself doesn't benefit from this. He's the most important person in this entire fight since he's the ONLY reason why the Kage have a chance, but Onoki himself has trash stats and none of the other Kage are strong enough to protect him. If A and Gaara try grabbing him out of the way every time, they risk instantly dying since they NEED the speed to keep up which means they don't have the durability buff to survive anything Bakugo throws at him, and Jinton can't land since again, Onoki isn't fast enough to properly use it

The only wincon they have is sealing (which can't restrain Bakugo cuz explosions are funny), Jinton (which is too slow), and Mei's acid (mei is barely relevant here). Bakugo meanwhile hits all of them once and they die. There's really not much they can do
 
this is true but they can't actually do anything with the speed. Bakugo is exploding everywhere, they can't get close enough with the speed to actually do anything without dying
Well, they very much can. If they can press bakugo into having no other option but to keep "exploding everywhere" in response to being within close proximity, then they just keep doing that until he runs out of stamina, or better still, it just puts them in a position where they can get an attack in.
His base explosions are at that level from scaling to Shoto and Deku, Howitzer is an in-universe 1 shot amp from 1 shotting the Serpenters who were stronger than him at the time and weren't injured since they outmaneuvered him during their fight, Cluster was stated by himself to be stronger than anything he's ever done before (including Howitzer), and both can be combined. He's genuinely just 1 shotting all of them without Onoki's heavy buff
I’m not buying into this. We’re going by the profile, and from what I can see, we’re not scaling Cluster Bakugo to a one-shot level above All might. He just scales to the feats he achieved with those amps, which in-universe didn’t let him one-shot the people he was up against at that point. It’s the same reason you dismissed the Kage being low end comparable to the humanoid Susano’o.
Bakugo's focus is going to switch to the tiny old man and just nuke him into oblivion. A and Gaara trying to bodyblock won't work cuz he's too strong, and Onoki himself is too slow to keep up with anything
That would very much work because of the edge in LS. The minute his attention focuses on either of them, it leaves room for the others to attack or grab hold of him. Bakugo isn’t the best at handling a squad, and he’s not the most experienced either.
Gaara catching Bakugo means Bakugo just explodes and now he's no longer restrained. Sure his LS is way worse but he just destroys the sand with explosions. There isn't a situation where A or Gaara can get close without being turned into bloody smears on the ground, and his sand just gets blown back with sheer AP
Gaara’s sand has multiple layers, each about 10 cm thick and with 7-teraton durability. He can stack them up to several meters tall, so bakugo isn’t nuking shit. The parts that get blown back just keep raining down since Gaara is continuously manipulating the scattered sand. Not to mention, Bakugo won’t be able to “explode” since he’s sealed the moment he’s enveloped in sand.
Onoki himself doesn't benefit from this.
As I’ve mentioned above, Onoki’s part in this is to amp A’s speed and finish Bakugo off once he’s sealed. Also, we’ve been treating this like A would just let Bakugo go after Onoki while he’s at A’s back. How ridiculous. Why would A let that happen in the first place when he’s already massively faster than Bakugo? Why would he comfortably let Bakugo take a shot at Onoki while fully aware that Onoki is the source of his amplification? That scenario is ridiculous.
If A and Gaara try grabbing him out of the way every time, they risk instantly dying since they NEED the speed to keep up which means they don't have the durability buff to survive anything Bakugo throws at him, and Jinton can't land since again, Onoki isn't fast enough to properly use it
Gaara doesn’t need to be within close proximity to grab Bakugo, so I don’t know what you mean. Bakugo can’t burn A due to his Lightning Armor, and he can’t significantly damage him because of Katsuyu, so A’s good. I just don’t see Bakugo as skilled enough of a fighter to completely evade both Gaara and a buffed, near-blitz-amp A at the same time.
The only wincon they have is sealing (which can't restrain Bakugo cuz explosions are funny)
Well, he doesn’t even need to restrain him to do that, since sealing renders the opponent immobile. And don’t use Madara as an anti-feat for this, since he has resistance to sealing due to breaking out of Gaara’s sand.




This will be my final response. I’ve said what I needed to say, and anything more would just be repeating myself. Also, it looks like grace has started, so I might as well respect everyone else’s choices.
 
Well, they very much can. If they can press bakugo into having no other option but to keep "exploding everywhere" in response to being within close proximity, then they just keep doing that until he runs out of stamina, or better still, it just puts them in a position where they can get an attack in.
well no, Bakugo exploding everywhere is not only his standard tactic, but at this point it's just a side effect of cluster. His entire body now releases explosions all the time. It's not something that tires him out; in fact his quirk gets stronger the more he sweats so prolonging the fight accomplishes the opposite of what you're imagining
I’m not buying into this. We’re going by the profile, and from what I can see, we’re not scaling Cluster Bakugo to a one-shot level above All might. He just scales to the feats he achieved with those amps, which in-universe didn’t let him one-shot the people he was up against at that point. It’s the same reason you dismissed the Kage being low end comparable to the humanoid Susano’o.
The humanoid Susano'o are treated as 7 teratons on their profiles and therefore the Kage scale to them

The only reason why I don't scale them to Madara's High 6A key is simply cuz it's just... not on their profiles at all

meanwhile Bakugo's 1 shot amp is stated on his profile (or at least it's on Pre-Final Act Bakugo's profile but a later version of Bakugo should also obviously scale to his past self)

Not to mention, Bakugo with cluster could sting the likes of Complete Shigaraki, who is 6A at 1.12 petatons. Therefore Bakugo has enough on his profile to show that Cluster can actually 1 shot people on his level since he can somewhat hurt 1.12 petaton level characters with it
That would very much work because of the edge in LS. The minute his attention focuses on either of them, it leaves room for the others to attack or grab hold of him. Bakugo isn’t the best at handling a squad, and he’s not the most experienced either.
Bakugo deals with squads by blowing them up. The Kage have no counterplay around getting blown up. It's just that simple. Bakugo's entire fighting style is massive ranged AOE. How does that not deal with squads?

LS doesn't matter. If someone has you in a chokehold but your entire body can emit explosions that splatter the arm around your neck into bloody paste, what do you think is going to happen? He'll be restrained for a fraction of a second but then he just explodes and destroys whatever was holding him

The experience is probably valid but Bakugo isn't stupid either. He's one of the smartest and most committed characters in the series, with several mentions of being intelligent not only through his grades but also his training, dedication, and research into his own quirk. Obviously the Kage have more blatant experience due to age and events witnessed but Bakugo can still keep up since he's no slouch himself and he's still leagues stronger and faster than the majority of them
Gaara’s sand has multiple layers, each about 10 cm thick and with 7-teraton durability. He can stack them up to several meters tall, so bakugo isn’t nuking shit. The parts that get blown back just keep raining down since Gaara is continuously manipulating the scattered sand. Not to mention, Bakugo won’t be able to “explode” since he’s sealed the moment he’s enveloped in sand.
Bakugo's range spans over 5.5 kilometers. That sand ain't doing sh*t, it gets blown back so far by his, once again, CONSTANT FULL BODY EXPLOSIONS that it can't actually get close at all
As I’ve mentioned above, Onoki’s part in this is to amp A’s speed and finish Bakugo off once he’s sealed. Also, we’ve been treating this like A would just let Bakugo go after Onoki while he’s at A’s back. How ridiculous. Why would A let that happen in the first place when he’s already massively faster than Bakugo? Why would he comfortably let Bakugo take a shot at Onoki while fully aware that Onoki is the source of his amplification? That scenario is ridiculous.
because

and I'm repeating myself AGAIN

A can't get close to Bakugo without getting blown up

once again

CONSTANT FULL BODY EXPLOSIONS

who cares about speed when you can't get close enough to do anything about it
Gaara doesn’t need to be within close proximity to grab Bakugo, so I don’t know what you mean. Bakugo can’t burn A due to his Lightning Armor, and he can’t significantly damage him because of Katsuyu, so A’s good. I just don’t see Bakugo as skilled enough of a fighter to completely evade both Gaara and a buffed, near-blitz-amp A at the same time.
1. Bakugo can blow back the sand by just blowing it up. He's still massively stronger. A actually does just die if he's in Bakugo's general vicinity because he just gets blown up by AP he can't handle
2. I have never mentioned burning a single time in any of my arguments. I find it ridiculous that so many of you can't even read
I don't see A even getting close to Bakugo without instantly dying. Heat resistance is very valid but he just gets 1 shot by the blunt force trauma. It's an explosion, not just fire.
I said this like 3 days ago
3. Katsuyu is 7 teratons. She gets blown up regardless. Not to mention, Katsuyu provides worse healing than Mitotic Regeneration, which provides Mid-level regeneration, which is completely useless here since Bakugo genuinely just splatters them and she can't regenerate from damage that severe. Even if you argue Bakugo can't 1 shot them with Onoki's heavy buff and therefore Katsuyu can heal them back to full, Onoki doesn't get this same benefit so he just dies and then Bakugo cleans up house, or Bakugo just targets the Godzilla sized slug that shows up out of nowhere and kills it instantly cuz he can.
Well, he doesn’t even need to restrain him to do that, since sealing renders the opponent immobile. And don’t use Madara as an anti-feat for this, since he has resistance to sealing due to breaking out of Gaara’s sand.
The sand needs time to gather in order to seal. Bakugo can blow it up before he even gets the chance because he matches Gaara's range and is also far stronger anyways. The sealing could theoretically work but Bakugo can just blow it up before it starts cuz he's doing that anyways
 
On the topic f explosions, there's something that's being disregarded and it's the fact that he'll be dealing far less damage the larger the explosion radius is
 
The humanoid Susano'o are treated as 7 teratons on their profiles and therefore the Kage scale to them

The only reason why I don't scale them to Madara's High 6A key is simply cuz it's just... not on their profiles at all

meanwhile Bakugo's 1 shot amp is stated on his profile (or at least it's on Pre-Final Act Bakugo's profile but a later version of Bakugo should also obviously scale to his past self)

Not to mention, Bakugo with cluster could sting the likes of Complete Shigaraki, who is 6A at 1.12 petatons. Therefore Bakugo has enough on his profile to show that Cluster can actually 1 shot people on his level since he can somewhat hurt 1.12 petaton level characters with it
Humanoid (full body) susanoo are actually treated as high 6A. Specifically 4 petatons
 
On the topic f explosions, there's something that's being disregarded and it's the fact that he'll be dealing far less damage the larger the explosion radius is
this is true but his explosions also get stronger the more he sweats iirc, so he'll gradually be getting stronger as the fight continues as long as his stamina can keep him in the fight (assuming the fight lasts longer than a couple minutes)
 
this is true but his explosions also get stronger the more he sweats iirc, so he'll gradually be getting stronger as the fight continues as long as his stamina can keep him in the fight (assuming the fight lasts longer than a couple minutes)
Also the fact that grace concluded so gg
 
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