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[0-7-2] This wreck right here, it ain't for the faint of heart - Ryomen Sukuna vs Todo & Choso

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Just because you're saying? I pointed out a pretty good reason and his RCT ain't just solving whatever, whenever
YOU JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT BRO? CHOSO IS THE ONLY ONE WITH AP ADVANTAGE, THAT SAID ADVANTAGE STILL ISNT ENOUGH TO DO DAMAGE LIKE TAKING SUKUNA'S ARMS OUT OR PUTTING HOLES ON HIM. 3F SUKUNA RCT OUTPUT WAS LITERALLY SHOWN HEALING AN ARM, AGAIN, IN MILLISECONDS AND KEEPING HIM ALIVE WITHOUTH HIS HEART JUST AFTER HE USED DOMAIN. IF CHOSO IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL DO MORE DAMAGE BUT CANT DAMAGE SUKUNA TO THAT POINT, SUKUNA'S OWN ENDURANCE PLUS STAMINA PLUS RCT WILL ALLOW HIM TO WITHSTAND THE DAMAGE, ESPECIALLY IN YUJI'S BODY, WHO ALREADY HAD SUPERHUMAN ENDURANCE AND STAMINA WITHOUTH EVEN USING CE. THINKING ABOUT IT, SUKUNA IN YUJI'S BODY WOULD HAVE EVEN MORE ENDURANCE AND STAMINA LOL.
You're the one who should back up he has the same stamina of his other forms when not even his CE reserves are the same
If you can prove to us that he has the same stamina of the others, this could do a bit of impact on the argument(s)... But you can't and nobody can.
THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST IGNORING CANON AND NARRATOR STATEMENTS.
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YOU SAID YOU AGREE THAT SUKUNA'S EFFICIENCY DOESNT CHANGE. AND WHY CAN SUKUNA USE DOMAIN EXPANSION COUNTLESS TIMES? IS IT BECAUSE HE HAS INFINITE CE? NO. IT'S BECAUSE, AS THE NARRATOR MENTIONS, HIS EFFICIENCY IS SO GODLIKE THAT HE BARELY SPENDS ANY CE DOING IT. THAT'S LITERALLY THE POINT. I'M NOT SAYING SUKUNA WILL SPAM DOMAINS HERE, BUT HIM HAVING LOWER CE RESERVES DOESN'T MEAN MUCH. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3F SUKUNA BRO. HE STILL HAS 15% OF THE LARGEST CE RESERVES IN THE VERSE COMBINED WITH INSANE, 6 EYES COMPARABLE EFFICIENCY. TO TOP IT OFF, 3F LITERALLY HAS ENDURANCE, EFFICIENCY, AND STAMINA FEATS OF HIS OWN THAT ARE ALREADY BETTER THAN ANYTHING TODO OR CHOSO HAVE EVER DONE.
At other keys and situations
AGAIN, CE EFFICIENCY DOESNT JUST CHANGE. NOBODY AND NOT EVEN THE NARRATIVE MENTIONS SUKUNA GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER CE EFFICIENCY WITH MORE FINGERS.
You mean a completely different and stupidly stronger Sukuna fighting a stronger Yuji who could do 7 black flashes in a row? Also, i didn't say he can't keep up at all, just that eventually he won't be able to because enduring is tiring and because he doesn't have the stamina his other selves have
SUKUNA BEING IN A DIFFERENT BODY WONT CHANGE HIS ENDURANCE OR STAMINA. I THINK YOU'RE REALLY JUST GETTING CONFUSED WITH THE TERMS. ENDURANCE IS NOT STAMINA AND STAMINA OR ENDURANCE DOESNT JUST CHANGE WITH LESS OR MORE CE. GOJO HAS THE 6 EYES AND PRACTICALLY INFINITE CE BUT HE STILL GETS TIRED, AS WE SAW IN SHIBUYA.

AND I WAS MAINLY TALKING ABOUT ENDURANCE HERE. SUKUNA WAS WITHOUTH 2 ARMS, HEART STABBED, MOUTH CUT AND EVEN AFTER USING A DOMAIN, HE WAS STILL ENDURING ALL THIS DAMAGE + THE FIGHT AGAINST TODO AND YUJI WITHOUTH EVEN USING RCT.
Because of prior knowledge and skill. He didn't fight the guy, but PK covers that.
He should be having a hard time dealing with how they operate, not just Boogie Woogie as a CT
IT REALLY DOESNT. TODO HAVING PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF HIS CT WONT MEAN NOTHING IF HE STILL CANT SEE THE TECHNIQUE OR KEEP UP WITH IT. LIKE, THIS IS LITERALLY JUST "BECAUSE I SAID SO". TODO WAS ALREADY STRUGGLING WITH A PURE H2H SUKUNA, LITERALLY NOTHING INDICATES HE'S JUST AVOIDING EVERY DISMANTLE OR CLEAVE. AND WHY ARE YOU BRINGING UP "SKILL" WHEN SUKUNA SKILL GAPS BOTH.
If it wasn't for the fact Choso and Todo are doing other stuff to beat him and not standing still showing off Boogie Woogie, that could be true.
WHAT?
The fact it took 2 for him to pass out (and was later even capable of coming back to the fight for a moment) and not just get him brutalized is supposed to show that he won't just get the Ishigori treatment by one dismantle, it is a supporting argument for why even if their prediction abilities fail, they aren't dead immediately
IT SHOWS THAT YOU WERE MISREMEMBERING IT BECAUSE HE DIDNT JUST "TANKED" THE 2. AND AGAIN, MY MAIN POINT WAS TO SHOW THAT THIS IS RELATED TO ENDURANCE AND THAT TODO IS NOT EVEN COMPARABLE TO 3F ON THAT MATTER. (TODO WAS SWEATING AND COULD BARELY STAND STILL AFTER A PUNCH TO THE CHEST WHILE SUKUNA WAS LAUGHING AND FIGHTING AFTER HE TOOK HIS OWN HEART OUT AND JUST AFTER USING A DOMAIN, LITERALLY NOT EVEN COMPARABLE) AND YES, CLEAVE OR POINT BLANK DISMANTLES IS INSTANTLY KILLING TODO.
This does not relate with the unchanged CE efficiency, i say this will eventually happen because his CE reserves are lower than his other keys and it will be drained by RCT, his CT and eventual domain attempts while he is being beaten. They also know the neck weakness RCT has and if he tries bypassing the domain weakness by doing brain damage to himself, he either won't be able to due to the pressure or his attempt will fall short.
IT DOES. AGAIN, YOU ARE TRYING TO COMPARE THE CE COST BETWEEN A DOMAIN EXPANSION AND THE MERE USE OF RCT. AND YOU'RE ACTING LIKE SUKUNA WILL JUST GET HIT LITERALLY EVERY SEC OF THE BATTLE AND EVERY HIT WILL LEAD TO SUKUNA HAVING TO RESORT TO RCT, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE.

SUKUNA WASNT GETTING HIT ALL THE TIME WHILE HE WAS WITH LESS BODY CONTROL, AGAINST A MUCH SKILLED FIGHTER AND MUCH EXPERIENCED BOOGIE WOOGIE DUO. NOW HE'S IN YUJI'S BODY, WHO'S SUPERHUMAN WITHOUTH EVEN USING CE.
Let's try to quantify (This ain't no precise measurement, this is figurative only)
16F's (and TFP since they compare, somewhat) CE reserve is like 10.000.000,00 dollars, and to do RCT, his CT, Domain, etc he uses 500,00 each second, so like at least 1.500,00 used, nothing huge
ALREADY WRONG BECAUSE SUKUNA WONT USE CT, DOMAIN OR EVEN RCT EVERY SEC.
That is another Sukuna entirely, and he's a beast with way more reserve and capabilities because of an unsurprising...
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How senseless can one be of saying someone is able to do significantly less than someone stupidly stronger and more durable than him!!! PREPOSTEROUS!!!!!
MAYBE BECAUSE THINGS LIKE "ENDURANCE" OR "STAMINA" DOESNT CHANGE AND ARENT LISTED-KEY ABILITIES??..... IDK, IF YOU CAN FIND THAT ON TH PROFILE I WILL AGREE WIH YOU. AND THOSE PROFILES ARE ALSO OUTDATED AND THE "ENHANCED" SHOULD APPLY TO SPECIFIC THINGS ONLY. ON YUJI'S KEY, HE'S LISTED HAVING GENIUS INTELLIGENCE, IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING IT LITERALLY, TRUE FORM HAS "ENHANCED GENIUS INTELLIGENCE"? OBVIOUSLY NOT, LOL.
And right after this, Choso noticed he was going to be beaten if too many hits got through, since 3 f*ed him up

And right after that, Choso was put in a trap specifically to null 95% of his kit and got surprised twice in the fight

Weakened, most of his kit nulled, beaten
Still won.

"but Choso PBd him right before they fought"
That was already a fight and immediately Choso got f*ed up too, i really don't know what you mean by that being a decent contest that Choso outskilled Shibuya Yuji
YOU WERE THE ONE SAYING CHOSO WAS "OUTBOXING" YUJI AND A MORE SKILLED FIGHTER. YUJI WITH A SINGLE ARM WAS BEATING CHOSO'S ASS WHEN THE FIGHT STARTED GOING ACTUAL BOXING = CHOSO CANT OUTBOX A 1 ARM, DAMAGED YUJI = HE'S NOT A MORE SKILLED FIGHTER. AND NO, YUJI DIDNT KNEW THIS WAS ALREADY A FIGHT OR WHO CHOSO WAS, THIS IS LITERALLY JUST DENYING TRUTH NOW. AND AGAIN, MY POINT WAS USING SHINJUKU YUJI, WHO'S ALREADY ON ANOTHER LEVEL IN SKILL.
Mate, do you even remember how that fight ends?
YES, IT ENDS WITH YUJI LOSING WHILE NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE HIS ARM, SEVERE BLOOD LOSS AND NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT CHOSO'S KIT. YOU'RE COMPLETELY LOST HERE? YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW CHOSO WAS SUPOSSEDLY "OUTBOXING" AND OUTPERFORMNG YUJI IN H2H WHEN YUJI WAS GOING TO BEAT HIS ASS IN H2H WHILE BEING DAMAGED AND WEAKENED BRO, THAT'S WHY CHOSO KNEW HE NEEDED TO USE HIS CT, BECAUSE HE ISNT OUTBOXING A 1 ARM, DAMAGED YUJI.
It is still a showing of adapting and outskilling
THE COMPARISON DOESNT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE YOU WERE TRYING TO USE THAT TO PUT CHOSO ABOVE OR EQUAL TO YUJI, WHEN, AGAIN, YUJI DIDNT EVEN FOUGHT NAOYA FOR A PROLONGED TIME. AND IT STILL DOESNT CHANGE THAT NAOYA IS A DUMB, COCKY SORCERER WHO CONSTANTLY UNDERESTIMATE HIS OPPONENTS AND CONSISTENTLY MAKE WRONG OR LOW IQ MOVES IN BATTLE, SOMETHING SUKUNA WONT EVER DO.
I'm not proposing at all that it'll be easy, just that it is doable, so we agreeing?
YOU LITERALLY SAID THAT CHOSO WOULD EASILY ADAPT TO IT WHEN EVERYTHING SHOWS THAT IT WONT.
Nice of you to answer yourself, mate
See, that guy is a master of martial arts and CE usage, we can't say s* against that
To imagine his stronger version having to adapt to 2 cut arms, severe damage, countering an operation with 10+ of the most talented CE users of this age
and his weaker version in a 2v1 stand-off
Will be using the exact same fighting style...? That does not sit right with me when he's shown to be able to keep changing his fighting style for way less reasons
IT WOULD BE BETTER SINCE HE ISNT GETTING HIS BODY CONTROL DULLED. AND WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? SUKUNA ISNT DUMB OR IDIOT, IF HE SEES THAT HE HAS ANY CHANCE OF LOSING HERE, HE WOULD LOCK IN JUST LIKE IN CANON.
No, people like Gojo and Sukuna just have large reserves and in usual situations nobody that compares to them trying to face them (The only way for this to work is to put fellas from 1.5 arcs in front to try to win and the margin still should be 55~60% of win ratio), because when there is someone that compares to them, it is shown that incorrect usage of the reserve will lead to death (just remember 16F vs Gojo lol)
GOJO HAS NEVER BEEN MENTIONED OR STATED TO HAVE A LARGE RESERVE, LIKE, HIS WHOLE THING IS EFFICIENCY.
They can use more than once, they can use several times (if they have the CE to do so, which is not likely here for reasons i have spoken for long, now), but they can't use indefinetely like every other CE user.
YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST DENYING A NARRATOR STATEMENT. IF YOU THINK THE NARRATOR IS WRONG, BRING PROOFS INSTEAD OF "BECAUSE I SAID SO".
Neither you nor anyone can bring up a scan or reference that someone can understand "3f is in six eyes level".
AGAIN, EFFICIENCY IS SOMETHING THAT DOESNT JUST CHANGE LOL. EVEN BY WIKI'S STANDARTS, YUJI'S KEY LITERALLY LISTS 3F SUKUNA'S CE EFFICIENCY AS BEING COMPARABLE IF NOT SUPERIOR TO GOJO, THE SIX EYES USER BECAUSE THEY DOESNT JUST CHANGE. SO, WE CAN STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS.
Because of who he was fighting against needing no CE burning to answer like this fight will. He didnt feel a thing or needed to use large amounts of CE with RCT because the one he was fighting couldn't compare to him at all.
YOU JUST CANT UNDERSTAND IT OR ARE COPING, SUKUNA DID THIS AFTER USING DOMAIN EXPANSION, SOMETHING THAT'S TIERS ABOVE RCT IN TERMS OF CE COST.
That is absolutely not what happened to Todo, who sustained damage from a way stronger form of Sukuna, so yes.
WHAT?. SUKUNA SUPOSSEDLY BEING "WAY" STRONGER DOESNT MATTER. WE ARE ANALYZING TODO'S OWN CAPABILITIES. TODO COULD BARELY STAND STILL AFTER GETTING A PUNCH TO THE CHEST AND MINOR BLEEDING WHILE SUKUNA TOOK HIS OWN HEART OUT, WAS LAUGHING AND COULD FREELY MOVE AGAINST MEGUMI WITHOUTH FEELING ANYTHING AT ALL (AND AGAIN, ALL THIS AFTER USING A DOMAIN EXPANSION), CLEAR DIFFERENCE ON ENDURANCE AND STAMINA. YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST DENYING TRUTH HERE.
Choso is the strongest part here and Todo could still fight after sustaining absurd damage from a stronger form of Sukuna, that is what base my claim of them maybe having a SLIGHTLY higher stamina than him
WHAT "ABSURD" DAMAGE, YOU CANT EVEN PROVE IT WAS ABSURD. AND AGAIN, THIS IS LITERALLY NOTHING COMPARED TO SOMEONE TAKING HIS OWN HEART OUT LOL.
On the way they said it, yes it can mean that pretty fine and it is how we treat it in the wiki
I MEAN THIS IS LITERALLY JUST HEADCANON SO I WONT EVEN RESPOND.
 
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You're making it sound like Sukuna will have an easier time.
If his kit were to be executed, which i went deeply on why it wouldn't be able to, then that would be the case.
Basically his stuff are all countered, because his great stamina will be worn out, his regen drains his stamina and they know his attacks and can even tank a handful of them
 
If his kit were to be executed, which i went deeply on why it wouldn't be able to, then that would be the case.
Basically his stuff are all countered, because his great stamina will be worn out, his regen drains his stamina and they know his attacks and can even tank a handful of them
I suppose I'll favor the non-Sukuna people FRA.
 
By you keeping the defense of Sukuna up, i added you as a voter of his, please tell me if that is not the case and i understood you wrong

i'll answer you either in a bit or in monday, not sure atm
 
By you keeping the defense of Sukuna up, i added you as a voter of his, please tell me if that is not the case and i understood you wrong

i'll answer you either in a bit or in monday, not sure atm
IM VOTING INCON TOO BECAUSE YOU CANT EXPLAIN HOW TODO WOULD DEAL WITH SHRINE AND THE SKILL GAP BUT SINCE THIS IS IN CHARACTER I CAN ALSO SEE SUKUNA PUTTING HIMSELF IN TROUBLE
 
IM VOTING INCON TOO BECAUSE YOU CANT EXPLAIN HOW TODO WOULD DEAL WITH SHRINE AND THE SKILL GAP BUT SINCE THIS IS IN CHARACTER I CAN ALSO SEE SUKUNA PUTTING HIMSELF IN TROUBLE
Oh, ok.

Want me to debate that instead of giving an answer to your whole post?
 
Like applemaker says, I usually don't vote. Partially because I don't want to get too invested, partially because I don't want to seem biased. I'll refrain from voting. Only do so when I feel like it (Not a sleight at you).
I have no problem with that at all, you keep coming to my jjk debates no-scoping (pun intended) important parts of the discussion, so you're always welcome here :>

Though i confess i didn't know about that characteristic of yours. Maybe a signature or something
 
most what i wanna say was already said

but imma vote the duo because jumping someone in jjk does wonders
since you said two contradictory things i'll ask

you sure of your vote for the duo?
 
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