Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

Comparable is just something I use if chars are broadly relative.

What you think of upscaling Hanami as x2.5 Todo and Yuji?

Yeah sure that's fine I think.

 

[AguilaR202]

btw base mahoraga does not scale to gojo and sukuna, when sukuna summoned him he was already did 4 wheel spins, so even if gojo and sukuna are 6C, base maho isn't

Base mayo stats are below Ryu for comparative scaling.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Dude, staff threads are always going to be like this. That thread went to the staff because feats of kinetic energy generated by running at relativistic speeds are generally not accepted. So we really needed an analysis from the staff specifically about Dabura scaling to his own kinetic energy. I think it was a mistake to try and include Gojo and Sukuna in that thread, but anyway, just do it again during a normal content revision.

Trying to tackle many proposals in one thread will never get all accepted really, staffs would just address the proposal that has more concrete arguments most of the time, i too believe a separate thread should be made.

 

[Arkenis]

Dude, staff threads are always going to be like this. That thread went to the staff because feats of kinetic energy generated by running at relativistic speeds are generally not accepted. So we really needed an analysis from the staff specifically about Dabura scaling to his own kinetic energy. I think it was a mistake to try and include Gojo and Sukuna in that thread, but anyway, just do it again during a normal content revision.

Do not do this during a normal crt lmao, whats worse than getting ignored is having your thread jumped by every jjk downplayer from MHA to DS.

 

[Specterxxxx]

btw base mahoraga does not scale to gojo and sukuna, when sukuna summoned him he was already did 4 wheel spins, so even if gojo and sukuna are 6C, base maho isn't

Those 4 wheel spins didn't augment his physicals tho, they only made him adapt to some of gojo's ct.

Base mayo stats are below Ryu for comparative scaling.

6C Ryu let's f*cking goooo

 

[Sus]

It gets more ridiculous when you read chapter 18 and you see mahoraga with regular strength slashing through dabura's face and even seriously overpowering him WHILE HE IS TRYING TO BLOCK, and yes i get the argument that dabura panicking might affect his dura but he started panicking AFTER mahoraga landed the first hit and it's funny how this wiki already agrees tamed mahoraga physically scaling to gojo the exact same way and if he does, then sukuna and gojo scales to dabura based off FEATS, STATEMENTS AND NARRATIVE.

mahoraga gets physically stronger after adapting


while we can't linearly scale him based on number of wheel spins, it took roughly about the same amount of spins for mahoraga to damage gojo (yet be weaker) and utterly overpower dabura, take that as u will

 

[Sus]

Base mayo stats are below Ryu for comparative scaling.

base maho should scale to ryu as mahoraga's initial adaptation was SEEING slashes, no mention of him getting stronger

but yeah i agree base maho isn't gojokuna level

 

[Sus]

Those 4 wheel spins didn't augment his physicals tho, they only made him adapt to some of gojo's ct.

sukuna was exposed to gojos physicals including blue and black flash, how can mahoraga not adapt to those?

like i agree with u but base maho IS NOT 6C

 

[Arkenis]

If base Mahora 6c then 3f Sukuna 6c and thus Toji 6c and thus Maki 6c. hehehe

 

[Sus]

toji "maybe faster than 3f" fushiguro

 

[Qurbonboev]

base maho should scale to ryu

No.
Sukuna dismantle went through Mahoraga without problem. Ryu did survive these dismantles

I have heard that manga implied that 3F Sukuna could have beat Maho. If this true we could scale base Maho to 3F Sukuna

 

[Sus]

No.
Sukuna dismantle went through Mahoraga without problem. Ryu did survive these dismantles

mahoraga deflected them by only seeing them, no power boost
dismantle STILL went through him after the spin so ur point is null

I have heard that manga implied that 3F Sukuna could have beat Maho. If this true we could scale base Maho to 3F Sukuna

no evidence that it's without adaptation

 

[Qurbonboev]

toji "maybe faster than 3f" fushiguro

Coincidentally they would be at almost same level of speed after speed revision goes through (Toji upscales from damaged Maki feat of Mach 0.73, Sukuna has own Mach 0.72 feat)

 

[Sus]

Coincidentally they would be at almost same level of speed after speed revision goes through (Toji upscales from damaged Maki feat of Mach 0.73, Sukuna has own Mach 0.72 feat)

gege u ******* genius!!!!

btw if maho cant scale to ryu, base maho should just be "unknown"

 

[Sus]

off topic but agito > elephant > ox ~ insect armour

agito genuinely has top 10 physicals

 

[Qurbonboev]

mahoraga deflected them by only seeing them, no power boost

Again, my only relevant point is that Base Maho is weaker than Ryu.

btw if maho cant scale to ryu, base maho should just be "unknown"

Seems fine

 

[Sus]

Again, my only relevant point is that Base Maho is weaker than Ryu.

i mean... sure? he still absolutely scale to hurting him

Seems fine

No

 

[Specterxxxx]

mahoraga gets physically stronger after adapting


while we can't linearly scale him based on number of wheel spins, it took roughly about the same amount of spins for mahoraga to damage gojo (yet be weaker) and utterly overpower dabura, take that as u will

Now is mahoraga getting physically stronger as a result adaptation to a cursed technique in relation to the physical strength of his opponent or is it just a natural amplification that just boosts him and he would have to adapt to the physical strength of the character separately if that amplification isn't enough after or during 4 spins?

 

[Sus]

Now is mahoraga getting physically stronger as a result adaptation to a cursed technique in relation to the physical strength of his opponent or is it just a natural amplification that just boosts him and he would have to adapt to the physical strength of the character separately if that amplification isn't enough after or during 4 spins?

we really don't know

we just know he gets physically stronger on top of his new defensive and offensive abilities

 

[AguilaR202]

base maho should scale to ryu as mahoraga's initial adaptation was SEEING slashes, no mention of him getting stronger

but yeah i agree base maho isn't gojokuna level

He only does block after he has experienced mid range slashes cutting cleanly through him, by the third time Sukuna hits him it is with a contact dismantle which is > Ryu.

So it really only takes like one or potentially 2 ( counting the block as a prompt for further adaptation) experiences with the same technique before maho jumps to the level of Ryu at worst.

 

[Specterxxxx]

i mean... sure? he still absolutely scale to hurting him

No

Atp, base mahoraga's AP shouldn't scale to his dura, because his AP feats are always ahead of his dura feats

 

[Sus]

He only does block after he has experienced mid range slashes cutting cleanly through him, by the third time Sukuna hits him it is with a contact dismantle which is > Ryu.

So it really only takes like one or potentially 2 ( counting the block as a prompt for further adaptation) experiences with the same technique before maho jumps to the level of Ryu at worst.

in the manga sukuna only used 2 dismantles amd then pulled up domain

 

[Sus]

Atp, base mahoraga's AP shouldn't scale to his dura, because his AP feats are always ahead of his dura feats

YESSSS!

he is clearly a glass cannon

 

[Sus]

He only does block after he has experienced mid range slashes cutting cleanly through him, by the third time Sukuna hits him it is with a contact dismantle which is > Ryu.

So it really only takes like one or potentially 2 ( counting the block as a prompt for further adaptation) experiences with the same technique before maho jumps to the level of Ryu at worst.

nvm i misunderstood u, yeah ur right

he still deflected them with no power boost so idkk

 

[Specterxxxx]

YESSSS!

he is clearly a glass cannon

Also do we have any instance of him getting physically stronger from adaptations to only cursed techniques where the physicals of the attacker isn't a factor? in both yoruzu and gojo's case their AP was used in tandem with their cursed techniques so him getting physically stronger makes sense but what of in the case of sukuna and dabura (the first stage of their fight atleast) where he didn't interact with their physicals but only their CT.

 

[Sus]

Also do we have any instance of him getting physically stronger from adaptations to only cursed techniques where the physicals of the attacker isn't a factor? in both yoruzu and gojo's case their AP was used in tandem with their cursed techniques so him getting physically stronger makes sense but what of in the case of sukuna and dabura (the first stage of their fight atleast) where he didn't interact with their physicals but only their CT.

he did interact with their physicals

sukuna: attacks with positive energy, does nothing, switches to negative energy and sends sukuna flying away (possibly fractured his arm too), tho as i said thats not a power boost, simply a switch of strategy

dabura: maho gets blocked but manages to kick dabura away, tho dealing no damage

 

[Sus]

i guess unadapted mahoraga can also scale to one shotting haruta if sukuna hadn't intervened

i firmly believe he should scale to ryu but thats an alternative

 

[Sus]

lmao that mf doesn't even have a profile

 

[Specterxxxx]

he did interact with their physicals

sukuna: attacks with positive energy, does nothing, switches to negative energy and sends sukuna flying away (possibly fractured his arm too), tho as i said thats not a power boost, simply a switch of strategy

dabura: maho gets blocked but manages to kick dabura away, tho dealing no damage

I do know he never starts adapting dabura's brute force until later because when he does, dabura mentions it or i am getting it wrong? i am not really an expert here.

 

[Sus]

I do know he never starts adapting dabura's brute force until later because when he does, dabura mentions it or i am getting it wrong? i am not really an expert here.

he only mentions that adapting to physicals is faster than techniques

 

[GTsek]

Three events occurred before Mahoraga's first adaptation in Shibuya:

-He can't damage Sukuna because his blade's standard is to use positive energy to exorcise cursed spirits.
-He gets punched by Sukuna and apparently takes damage
-He is completely cut by Sukuna's Dismantle.

After all that, he adapts, and then we see:

-He altered the blade's natural characteristics, replacing positive energy with CE to cause damage to Sukuna and do it.
-His speed, which Sukuna used to easily match, now allows him to put Sukuna under pressure.
-He take the cleave and was not destroyed.

I don't think we even need a deep analysis, look how much he improved with just one spin... Mahoraga, with an adaptation, simply no longer dies from the things it has adapted to, and as this adaptation progresses, he becomes more resistant until he is no longer affected by that thing. I can only imagine how incredibly strong he was at the end against Dabura, the wheel was spinning continuously... Gege was too cowardly to not show that.

 

[Sus]

Three events occurred before Mahoraga's first adaptation in Shibuya:

-He can't damage Sukuna because his blade's standard is to use positive energy to exorcise cursed spirits.
-He gets punched by Sukuna and apparently takes damage
-He is completely cut by Sukuna's Dismantle.

After all that, he adapts, and then we see:

-He altered the blade's natural characteristics, replacing positive energy with CE to cause damage to Sukuna and do it.

small nitpick, he punched, he didn't use CE on his blade

-His speed, which Sukuna used to easily match, now allows him to put Sukuna under pressure.

u could say sukuna was shocked that maho perceived his slashes, which was still impressive even in shinjuku

but i wont argue about it

-He took the cleaver and was not destroyed.

after the second spin

I don't think we even need a deep analysis, look how much he improved with just one spin... Mahoraga, with an adaptation, simply no longer dies from the things it has adapted to, and as this adaptation progresses, he becomes more resistant until he is no longer affected by that thing. I can only imagine how incredibly strong he was at the end against Dabura, the wheel was spinning continuously... Gege was too cowardly to not show that.

thats my goat big raga

 

[GTsek]

small nitpick, he punched, he didn't use CE on his blade

Look at the chapter again, Mahoraga attacks Sukuna with the blade both times, and the third time as well (Sukuna dodges).

 

[Sus]

Look at the chapter again, Mahoraga attacks Sukuna with the blade both times, and the third time as well (Sukuna dodges).

will go reread it then

 

[Sus]

it is the same hand, but the smoke was going off from the fist

 

[Sus]

anyway even after the first spin and blocking dismantle, he was still sliced in half by another one

yall might want to go vote about it in his crt i guess

 

[Sus]

could base maho scale to CG yuji?

maho took several punches with no visible damage

a heavily weakened sukuna in megumis knocked the lights outta yuji

 

[Arkenis]

Yall can't seriously be discussing Mahoraga's dura and ap being CG Yuji level.

 

[Sus]

Yall can't seriously be discussing Mahoraga's dura and ap being CG Yuji level.

why not?

 

[Arkenis]

why not?

Mahoraga > Jogo > Yuji

No way we're treating the narratively strongest shikigami as relative to Nanami. You read off tiktok didn't you?