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(STAFF ONLY) Issues with Seven Deadly Sins 4-B rating

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I mean, it's explicitly a similar cooked here. Why are we assuming his creation feat should scale to his phycial abilities?
The point is that it should scale to those who can destroy or damage the shield, something Meliodas, Ban, and Hawk did. I’m not saying that Cath would physically scale to that.
What is the evidence that this meets the conditions to be tiered?
However a character who can create objects without other ways of harming their opponents by using an equal amount of energy from their energy pool wouldn't be able to harness that power to hurt another character, and would fall under a light form of Environmental Destruction.
I genuinely wonder where you take the destruction of 4-A dimension in these scans. All I read is the destruction of a mere land.
ANNWFYN is the name of the dimension; the place where they are is the Cauldron.
 
Questions for you then

#1 How long did it take for the dimension to be created? Did it take multiple bouts of his magic running out and being reused to do so? Because we know that when it comes to NNT creation, even for Chaos, not everything just poofed into existence at the same time, shown as they frequently note the Supreme Deity, the Demon King, and the Sacred Tree coming into existence from Chaos, yet the Supreme Deity came prior to the others, showing that there's an order to creation of things of that caliber. Was it all made at once? Or was it made in portions.
Chaos has inf magic the calc was accepted and per sec value is at least 4-B
SD came at the same time it’s LOTL that was created before along the INFINITE MAGICAL LAKE.
#2 What support is there that says that all of Cath's magic went towards the shield? It just says all that Cath crystallized all of the chaotic force he could, not that he crystalized all of the magic that he owns. The bastard clearly had magic left.
Cath’s magic is Chaos magic…
Notice how WHEN the shield was up he was back to his cat form

And when he attacked he transformed into monster cath again
 
This is getting a tad heated.

I don't much about this verse but I think the AP =/= DC stuff is being misused to extrapolate a cope out of a valid anti statement, especially if the only viable "tier 4" feat is done via creation as that would make it a massive outlier, the biggest counter evidence for any tier 4 stuff is the notion that a combined and amped attack from all the sins would only destroy a continent, something that AP=/=DC can't handwave unless the tier 4 scaling has a more solid foundation than just being upheld by a single creation feat that's the only one of its kind to even reach that tier.
Said magic used for the tier 4 création was entirely channeled into a shield then destroyed
Unless there is smth else I'm missing there doesn't seem to be any solid case for us to believe the characters are several orders of magnitudes stronger than what their highest amped combined attack can achieve in terms of destruction, but this is coming from a limited pool of knowledge so I could be missing context
Just read what was sent
 
Said magic used for the tier 4 création was entirely channeled into a shield then destroyed
That's just basically using the feat being questioned as a foundation to create another "feat" and justify why them scaling to the tier the prior one gives is valid, you kinda need a second thing that is wholly separate.

This is only convincing if we assume the creation feat itself to be sound and the subsequent stuff deriving from it to be separate enough to consider it a second feat in and of itself.
 
Chaos has inf magic the calc was accepted and per sec value is at least 4-B
SD came at the same time it’s LOTL that was created before along the INFINITE MAGICAL LAKE.
You can have infinite magic and do things IN SEQUENCE

And chaos having infinite magic ≠ his creations having them as well

If others like Cath or the Demon King truly had infinite magic they would have one of the below on their profiles
A. Infinite AP, he doesn't
B. Infinite stamina, he doesn't

Nothing saying they truly have infinite magic

Also, having an infinite source does not mean you are truly infinite in power, it just means you have an endless supply, so stop bringing it up over and over like it supports anything when it doesn't.
Cath’s magic is Chaos magic…
Notice how WHEN the shield was up he was back to his cat form

And when he attacked he transformed into monster cath again
You did not answer a single piece of this question.
What says ALL OF IT was applied
 
That's just basically using the feat being questioned as a foundation to create another "feat" and justify why them scaling to the tier the prior one gives is valid, you kinda need a second thing that is wholly separate.

This is only convincing if we assume the creation feat itself to be sound and the subsequent stuff deriving from it to be separate enough to consider it a second feat in and of itself.
The thing is the feat is not and was never questioned.

What was is if the feat scale to the physicals, and the shield feat shows that it did durability wise
 
Physically drinking an infinite source of magical water that also amps physicals
Yes and so? Ig characters with Infinite mana should get to Low 2-C without questions.
I already answered this in previous messages
You answered nothing. I'm talking about Elizabeth and Melascula here, who have a clear display of difference in physcial stats and magic. If you're going to use the argument of "it can be inactive" they have to at least display once the same potency phycially and with magic, otherwise bye bye.
It’s called enchantment…
OK?
Lmao.
Through size alone it would
Through what? That big mouth or are you assuming it'll grow till eating the universe?
Without his magical output holding it it gets destroyed
Yes and so?
Hades style
Peak.
Naruto is listed on the UES verse page
Got axed years ago.
Channeled the entirety of said magical Power into a shield
Oh oh oh. I doubt about these creation feats, especially when the characters have Reality Warping.
Unknown with Reality Warping (Possesses a fragment of Chaos. Created a dimension and could alter reality with ease) (Your profile btw)
 
You can have infinite magic and do things IN SEQUENCE
Never Said you can’t btw

Just said he created an infinite space

And chaos having infinite magic ≠ his creations having them as well
Lake has it
Cath doesn’t cause not full Chaos
Cath has 4-B quantities through creation feat
Cath channeled it inside a shield
Shield was destroyed
If others like Cath or the Demon King truly had infinite magic they would have one of the below on their profiles
A. Infinite AP, he doesn't
B. Infinite stamina, he doesn't
Never Said they had inf magic I talked about Chaos
Nothing saying they truly have infinite magic
Still not what i said
Also, having an infinite source does not mean you are truly infinite in power, it just means you have an endless supply, so stop bringing it up over and over like it supports anything when it doesn't.
Still completely out of the point

You did not answer a single piece of this question.
What says ALL OF IT was applied
Read my messages
Schmol cat UwU cause magic channeled through shield 👉🏻👈🏻 (•~•)

Big scawy cat cause shield destroyed and got Chaos magic back 😱
 
Never Said you can’t btw

Just said he created an infinite space


Lake has it
Cath doesn’t cause not full Chaos
Cath has 4-B quantities through creation feat
Cath channeled it inside a shield
Shield was destroyed

Never Said they had inf magic I talked about Chaos

Still not what i said

Still completely out of the point


Read my messages
Why do you keep bringing up chaos in the first damn place

This thread isn't about chaos or anyone who scales to him
 
Yes and so? Ig characters with Infinite mana should get to Low 2-C without questions.
If it amps physicals too yeah
You answered nothing. I'm talking about Elizabeth and Melascula here, who have a clear display of difference in physcial stats and magic. If you're going to use the argument of "it can be inactive" they have to at least display once the same potency phycially and with magic, otherwise bye bye.
That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability when using similar levels of energy or effort. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells when using similar levels of energy.
It should be noted that systems don't need to be continously active. Some systems might only enhance statistics while the character physically channels energy though their body, while other systems do so passively as long as energy is available
OK?

Lmao.

Through what? That big mouth or are you assuming it'll grow till eating the universe?
Technically speaking complete chaos would be infinite sized
Yes and so?

Peak.

Ily
Got axed years ago.

Oh oh oh. I doubt about these creation feats, especially when the characters have Reality Warping.
Unknown with Reality Warping (Possesses a fragment of Chaos. Created a dimension and could alter reality with ease) (Your profile btw)
Per sec value is still 4-B Creation is a sub power of RW
 
The thing is the feat is not and was never questioned.
It was as far as I could tell, at the very least, people seem to consider it an outlier if all else.
What was is if the feat scale to the physicals, and the shield feat shows that it did durability wise
This would have been fine had the feat and tier themselves not been on shaky grounds, you can't derive evidence and scaling from something that's being questioned and scrutinised to justify it, that's bordering on circular reasoning? well it's a form of circular justification ig
 
The point is that it should scale to those who can destroy or damage the shield, something Meliodas, Ban, and Hawk did. I’m not saying that Cath would physically scale to that.
The problem is that we have no reason to scale his shield to 4-B just because he used his magic? He used all of his magic, you don't know if what was remaining was less that what he used to create the said dimension. And also, I saw the dimension thing is associated to Reality Warping.
ANNWFYN is the name of the dimension; the place where they are is the Cauldron.
Alright.
 
It was as far as I could tell, at the very least, people seem to consider it an outlier if all else.
what S questioned is ues aka the ability to channel said tier 4 creation energy into physicals
This would have been fine had the feat and tier themselves not been on shaky grounds, you can't derive evidence and scaling from something that's being questioned and scrutinised to justify it, that's bordering on circular reasoning? well it's a form of circular justification ig
It’s not circular and Pretty simple.

Tier 4 création through chaos magic
Chaos magic —> shield entirely
Shield destroyed
 
Cath ate chaos tf
Cath ate a piece of Chaos, so a piece of Chaos is what cath scales to
Cath ate chaos created a tier 4 space and channeled all of it’s chaos power inside a shield once again
Can you prove, for the third time, that cath used EVERY OUNCE OF HIS POWER to generate the shield?

Because even Cath's profile says
Solar System level (Fought the Sins and enlarged Demon Mark Meliodas in a potential future<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cath_Palug#cite_note-9"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a>). Unknown with Reality Warping (Possesses a fragment of Chaos. Created a dimension<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cath_Palug#cite_note-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> and could alter reality with ease)
Showing that the energy to combat ≠ the energy to generate dimensions
 
Cath ate a piece of Chaos, so a piece of Chaos is what cath scales to
Yes Exactly and with said piece he created 4-A Neo camelot.

Can you prove, for the third time, that cath used EVERY OUNCE OF HIS POWER to generate the shield?
Once again,
Schmol cat UwU cause magic channeled through shield 👉🏻👈🏻 (•~•)

Big scawy cat cause shield destroyed and got Chaos magic back 😱

Because even Cath's profile says

Showing that the energy to combat ≠ the energy to generate dimensions
Cath didn’t use his RW to create his dimension once again you are absolutely not knowledgeable on the verse.

Look at EOS NNT creations through RW and Neo camelot.
 
what S questioned is ues aka the ability to channel said tier 4 creation energy into physicals
The UES seems pretty bad as well given the explicit split btw the "physical" and "magical" components of the power levels as well as the existence of a "physically weak" mage class in the form of merlin, so I can't see a good arg for it.

I also see fellas disputing it as an outlier so I can't be sure about that?
It’s not circular and Pretty simple.

Tier 4 création through chaos magic
Chaos magic —> shield entirely
Shield destroyed
Ye, the circular stuff was due to a little misunderstanding I had for a brief moment, but the logic is still there that we cannot treat downstream scaling derived from a disputed feat as independent supporting evidence for the tier.

That's not really going to solidify the scaling proposed here.
 
The UES seems pretty bad as well given the explicit split btw the "physical" and "magical" components of the power levels as well as the existence of a "physically weak" mage class in the form of merlin, so I can't see a good arg for it.

I also see fellas disputing it as an outlier so I can't be sure about that?

Ye, the circular stuff was due to a little misunderstanding I had for a brief moment, but the logic is still there that we cannot treat downstream scaling derived from a disputed feat as independent supporting evidence for the tier.

That's not really going to solidify the scaling proposed here.
Feat isn’t disputed once again.

The fact that it physically scales is.

Feat is already accepted and Neo camelot is specifically composed of existing materials which are to be calculated via normal means
 
Depends which calc God tiers would scale to, but they'd still be within the tier or just barely under. The 5% could also very well be exponential.


Nakaba has the characters mention destruction of entire countries being destroyed wdym. The Behemoth was going to destroy the demon world. Settings can be destroyed but this also doesn't mean no other feat would be shown. This sorta idea is essentially asking that we accept characters being a certain tier without a UES to back it up, but also accept that they scale to the god tier's feat which that itself has problems on being used cuz again the UES doesn't support it.
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1. The 5% Commandment scaling is not exponential, this notion is debunked by Estarossa vs Archangels
2. This second paragraph is, ironically, AP≠DC cope. The characters mention Brittania as it’s what they’re concerned with. It’s like asking why Goku’s worried about Broly destroying Earth if they’re actually universal.
 
1. The 5% Commandment scaling is not exponential, this notion is debunked by Estarossa vs Archangels
2. This second paragraph is, ironically, AP≠DC cope. The characters mention Brittania as it’s what they’re concerned with. It’s like asking why Goku’s worried about Broly destroying Earth if they’re actually universal.
If it’s shit and we deem that it’s shit I sweat to you that we will downgrade them anyway
 
The fact that there is something called sacred treasure that helps characters draw out their full strength and it is nigh impossible for them to do so without it is the most blatant form of an author telling you that the mechanics of his system is not just "channel magical energy in everything and achieve the same result"
If you gave this a little more thought, I think you’d realize what you just said.
Characters amp themselves/weapons with their “Outlier magic” and only get a few times increase over their base physicals. 10x with Destroyer Magic. This implies relatively between physicals and magic even if they aren’t the exact same.
 
Oh my God bro there is NO 4-B SHIELD. You’re getting 4-B because you’re acting like the creation feat is somehow legit and scales to her magic

Cath CHARGING UP an attack has 6-B potency

The shield did NOT withstood a 4-A attack, there is nothing in the SDS verse that has this energy. You’re taking a creation feat and saying it applies to her shield like Nakaba didn’t make Cath a 6-B character

Damn dude
This is such a low iq debunk it’s actually sad.
You’re literally presuming something to be false, WITH IT BEING FALSE as your ARGUMENT. Do I even need to explain why this comment is stupid?
 
Prove creation scales to destructive capacity. This is why Overlord is currently Low 7-C, because it's answer to this question was "UMMMMMMMM UHHHHHHHHHHH CAN I HAVE A BATHROOM BREAK?"
Cath, gaining Chaos abilities, threatens to destroy everything with a form. That’s possibly a universal statement. He then creates Camelot with numerous starry night skies. Chaos characters utilize said Chaos in their attacks, yet can be combatted by other characters.
It’s the same with Magic with lesser characters.
 
I genuinely think you're going in circles with this "AP≠DC" stuff. This thread already has like 5 mod votes already, so what's the point of arguing for Tier 4 when the downgrade is going to happen?
The issue with this is that they, obviously biasedly, voted before any counter argument could be given. So the votes deadass aren’t valid.
It’s like hearing a court case and the judge deciding his decision without even giving the victim a plea.
 
So we gonna mention the threads’ OP literally just conceded his entire argument? Can’t argue for shit 😂
Literally shut the **** up

I already reported you and every comment you make makes it worse. Me and others don’t need your ironic ass offending everyone and saying a bunch of stupid things
 
So what I gathered is that Cath had ate a piece of chaos. Cath also created a dimension. But this dimension isn't the one Demon King created, which is where the scaling comes from. Why is this Cath point relevant exactly?
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This is the 4-B dimension?

And I'm reading more, why does Merlin say Chaos created everything with a mere thought? I feel like this shoots the whole idea it took time or even energy when Chaos creates stuff through RW. Without us seeing them do it, why are we assuming DK created it with pure magic versus the same way Chaos did?
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Also, I likely don't have every feat, but they are describing Chaos, the SD and DK as equals. SD and DK can apparently seal Chaos, but also they create a balance between each other, and requires the other to be completely destroyed. I get its sorta a symbolic balance, but if Chaos is just 2-C or H3A then why aren't the SD and DK also? Which kinda makes me wonder why DK's feat, besides the likelihood he did it through RW, is even used to scale the characters.
 
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