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God of War CRT: General Tier Upgrade

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Introduction

Yeah, it's time. As of this revision, the Norse world's reality in its totality is accepted as Complex Multiverse level. Currently, no one directly scales to it (instead scaling to just the Yggdrasil), but this is apparently not the case.

Fire, Ice and Ymir

In the beginning there were no realms, only Primordial Forces, like Fire, Ice and more, all inhabiting a cosmic void named Ginnungagap, from which Ymir sprung forth and created every man, beast and god. This is reaffirmed by Tyr later on, as well as Sutr, who affirms the meeting of Fire and Ice as the beginning of "everything". This is very important as time only came into existence after Odin killed Ymir by stabbing him with his Spear and spilling his mystic life-blood. The same timeline that as established in the prior revision, encompasses the World Tree and everything within it, as well as the totality of Norse reality.

So, Ymir would thus be Complex Multiverse level in sheer size, scope and power, for being the creator and start of the greater time and reality of the Norse lands. Surtr would also be Complex Multiverse level, being the entity that would inevitably end the world as a whole and start the cycle anew. This would scale to their range as well.

As would the Primordial forces of Fire and Ice from which these beings emerged from.

Greek Scaling

As established long ago at this section of the magic page, the primordial forces of the pantheons are equivalent in scale and potency. This is important as Hyperion was imbued by the very same primeval flame of Chaos, with Chaos accepted as being of the same nature as the Ginnungagap that spawned the above Primordial Forces. As such, she would be Complex Multiverse level.

This flame would then be passed down to Helios and as such, Helios would also be Complex Multiverse level, as would all beings that scale to and above him in turn. Which is all of the Titans and Olympians of the Greek World as they already do. Helios and Hyperion specifically would have Complex Multiversal range via being imbued with Primordial fire.

The various Primordial Gods already scale to the power of the Primordial forces of the Norse lands and would also be Complex Multiverse level, on top of scaling above the Titans and Olympians. Their range, due to scaling to Fire and Ice, would likewise be updated to Complex Multiversal. Hope Kratos, Athena's sealing and Zeus's sealing as well as Fear incarnation would also be updated to Complex Multiversal range for scaling off of the Primordials.

Norse Scaling

Odin would slay Ymir in battle at the start of creation, bringing about the birth of time with the latter's spilled lifeblood. This is notable as the event happens before the Aesir/Vanir war, during which it is confirmed that the Aesir only knew how to fight physically. As such he would be Complex Multiverse level in both statistics and range, for felling Ymir and turning his remnant flesh into the rest of creation.

Which of course says much about Thor, whom is repeatedly stated to be the strongest of the Norse gods. As such, he would scale above his father's showcase against the First Giant, and above Ymir as a result and be Complex Multiverse level. His range would be updated to add "Complex Multiversal with BFR" as well, due to what he does below.

A young Jormugandr barely withstands blows from Thor at his prime, one of which sends him through time. When he arrives, a younger Thor comes up against him and the two have a realm-shaking battle that ends in a stalemate. Jormugandr would then grow to his full size and power over time, which makes it all the more impressive that Baldur would proceed to knock him out in merely a few blows. As such, not only would Baldur backscale from Thor, but so would all the godlike elite beings that are comparable to him, like the Dark Elf King, and Gullveig, as well as being superior to him like, Sigrun.

Garm would have devoured the fabric of reality if not stopped and would also be Complex Multiverse level in power and range.

I won't touch upon the rest of the gods here, as they already scale to or above either Baldur or prime Thor, and so would end up scaling by default. Their range is also unchanged for now.

TL;DR

All the Low 1-Cs are going to 1-C. Rejoice. Or curse, whichever works for ya.

Agree: 14 (DarkDragonMedeus, Elizhaa, KingTempest, Theglassman12, Random-Helper323, Pepsimanlover, Hecky2222, Re5yh, GilverTheProtoAngelo, Kenny Mccormick 0v0, Hellbeast, Felipe_Walker16, RM97, Astral_Trinity439)

Disagree: 1 (deonment (Thor's 1-C range))

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I agree.
One question.

Now that Cosmology has been accepted at the Complex Multiverse level, regarding the Primordials, they would not exist in Higher Dimensions (5-D or 6-D)? because they have practically the same existence as Ymir; they are synonymous with the Primordial magics that created beings like Ymir and Surtr?
Yes or No? Why?
 
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I agree.
One question.

Now that Cosmology has been accepted at the Complex Multiverse level, regarding the Primordials, they would not exist in Higher Dimensions (5-D or 6-D)? because they have practically the same existence as Ymir; they are synonymous with the Primordial magics that created beings like Ymir and Surtr?
Yes or No? Why?
Only Ymir would get the boost. Everyone else would stay as is. Given that magics can't exactly have a dimension attached to them due to it being an energy, those can't be limited by dimensionality, or else every single Tier 2 and above explosion would be an anti-feat to separate space-times.
 
Yeah this feels like the obvious continuation of where y’all were going with tjks

Works good
 
His range would be updated to add "Complex Multiversal with BFR" as well, due to what he does below.
Idrc about the rest but how exactly does this even work?

As in do we have any evidence that thor knocked jormangandr through the second time dimension? What effect did he have that wouldn't in equal measure be explained through knocking him through the first
 
Idrc about the rest but how exactly does this even work?

As in do we have any evidence that thor knocked jormangandr through the second time dimension? What effect did he have that wouldn't in equal measure be explained through knocking him through the first
Jormugandr landing in Midgard's past, rather than just Asgard's, as well as the event itself splintering the whole tree and going back to before the latter happened.
 
Jormugandr landing in Midgard's past, rather than just Asgard's, as well as the event itself splintering the whole tree and going back to before the latter happened.
That's still Low 1-C though?
That's just involving the four spatial and one temporal of the tree, and while I'm not wholly informed about the latter feat, I do know that fiction having someone being sent to before someone manages to destroy (or in this case splintering) the timeline isn't all too uncommon, and could prolly be explained as rather than the whole thing being affected, it's just time from then on which is splintered, no need to invoke the higher structure (which also seems a mild bit storybreaking if it invokes the higher structure seeing as jormangandr still exists in relation to the current instance of the world rather than having been punched into a past one, which is what would happen if the extra time axis was being invoked)
 
That's still Low 1-C though?
That's just involving the four spatial and one temporal of the tree, and while I'm not wholly informed about the latter feat, I do know that fiction having someone being sent to before someone manages to destroy (or in this case splintering) the timeline isn't all too uncommon, and could prolly be explained as rather than the whole thing being affected, it's just time from then on which is splintered, no need to invoke the higher structure (which also seems a mild bit storybreaking if it invokes the higher structure seeing as jormangandr still exists in relation to the current instance of the world rather than having been punched into a past one, which is what would happen if the extra time axis was being invoked)
I might not be understanding your point so correct me if I'm wrong but;

The Yggdrasil isn't the timeline though, just an object within it (the World Tree on its own is still 5-D). My main point was that he travels to a point before which said object, that's bound to the higher timeline (since the Nine Realms, the 4-D space-times, are just part of the Yggdrasil, whose strands transcend said space-time) is damaged.

If that doesn't explain things then should I put you as disagree for Thor's range specifically?
 
I might not be understanding your point so correct me if I'm wrong but;

The Yggdrasil isn't the timeline though, just an object within it (the World Tree on its own is still 5-D). My main point was that he travels to a point before which said object, that's bound to the higher timeline (since the Nine Realms, the 4-D space-times, are just part of the Yggdrasil, whose strands transcend said space-time) is damaged.
To avoid some arguments that have more to do with my issues with how people treat things, lemme simply

Firstly, the damage to the tree does not necessitate it having spread backwards towards the past (if it did and the characters see such damage despite the event having not happened "yet" then it doesn't invoke the cycle by necessity), something being shattered can affect that thing from the future on and still count as shattering it.

Secondly, with the way the cycle would work, as a 6D superstructure and embedding hypertimeline, there would exist no moment in it that the tree would exist undamaged that traversal across it would achieve. Traversing across it wouldn't bring one to the previous version of yggdrasil before it was damaged, it would bring them to an entirely separate iteration of yggdrasil to begin with. Each moment of a hypertimeline is the entire continuum of the lower structure from start to end, if that entire contiuum is damaged in a single instance, with how the cycle is defined, then traversal to a time "before" the tree was splintered wouldn't be possible, as each moment with respects to the cycle is a whole new version of yggdrasil, from it's creation to it's end.
If that doesn't explain things then should I put you as disagree for Thor's range specifically?
Yes
 
To avoid some arguments that have more to do with my issues with how people treat things, lemme simply

Firstly, the damage to the tree does not necessitate it having spread backwards towards the past (if it did and the characters see such damage despite the event having not happened "yet" then it doesn't invoke the cycle by necessity), something being shattered can affect that thing from the future on and still count as shattering it.

Secondly, with the way the cycle would work, as a 6D superstructure and embedding hypertimeline, there would exist no moment in it that the tree would exist undamaged that traversal across it would achieve. Traversing across it wouldn't bring one to the previous version of yggdrasil before it was damaged, it would bring them to an entirely separate iteration of yggdrasil to begin with. Each moment of a hypertimeline is the entire continuum of the lower structure from start to end, if that entire contiuum is damaged in a single instance, with how the cycle is defined, then traversal to a time "before" the tree was splintered wouldn't be possible, as each moment with respects to the cycle is a whole new version of yggdrasil, from it's creation to it's end.
Wait, do you think I'm proposing Thor get general range via retroactively damaging the tree? The BFR is specifically for sending Jorm back, rather than anything to do with the damage itself.
Alright then.
 
Wait, do you think I'm proposing Thor get general range via retroactively damaging the tree? The BFR is specifically for sending Jorm back, rather than anything to do with the damage itself.
No, I'm saying that Jorm cannot be sent back to a time period before the tree was damaged (which is part of what you said here)
as well as the event itself splintering the whole tree and going back to before the latter happened.
Because fundamentally, there literally is no moment where that could happen by way of a hypertimeline (at least as defined here)
 
About Odin scalling, reminds me wassnt he only delivering the killing blow? Since he fought with 2 of his brothers

Does Ymir also birthed Yggdrasill or it birth was natural from Ginun?
 
About Odin scalling, reminds me wassnt he only delivering the killing blow? Since he fought with 2 of his brothers

Does Ymir also birthed Yggdrasill or it birth was natural from Ginun?
There is no mention of "killing blow" or his two brothers in God of War. He just fought and killed Ymir.
 
Been 2 days already, so I'll get to applying this.
 
Applied the main additions, and I'll finish up the rest over the next day or two. Closing.
 
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