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DanMachi/Sword Oratoria/Familia Chronicle/Heroic Myth Discussion Thread

Also just a heads up I’ll be going to China in a few days. Not entirely sure if the VPNs I downloaded will work. So if you don’t see me replying to a comment you made just assume I won’t be able to reply to your questions until the end of June.
 
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Woo! First part of Aedes Vesta is done. Damn, that was good I can't lie. Prometheus is cooking some shit since his descent to the Lower World. Also, Welf's reaction to Hephaestus having an affair with Aphrodite back in Heaven was priceless.
 
Woo! First part of Aedes Vesta is done. Damn, that was good I can't lie. Prometheus is cooking some shit since his descent to the Lower World. Also, Welf's reaction to Hephaestus having an affair with Aphrodite back in Heaven was priceless.
Like the meme once said
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Lol but yeah Welf’s reaction was priceless
 
Oh yeah, speaking of irl reference to Danmachi lore previously. Behemoth and Leviathan were clearly inspired by their irl counterpart. I wonder what the Black Dragon was inspired from.
the main theory is that the dungeon itself is meant to be Echidna, the mother of monsters in Greek Mythology (it's supported by the xenos reffering to the dungeon as their "mother"), so by extension the black dragon would be Typhon, the snake monster that fought Zeus and was considered the most dangerous monster to ever exist (and also Echidna's mate)
 
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btw we should prolly maybe like, make a "pipeline" or "order or things" we should get calced, so far we have been doing a very "whatever comes up first" mentality. Might be worth making an order of what should be calced next, bc what I noticed is that we are all just coming up with "hey we should do this next" which might not be a good idea and leaves us very unorganized
 
btw we should prolly maybe like, make a "pipeline" or "order or things" we should get calced, so far we have been doing a very "whatever comes up first" mentality. Might be worth making an order of what should be calced next, bc what I noticed is that we are all just coming up with "hey we should do this next" which might not be a good idea and leaves us very unorganized
Ehh can’t be helped I keep forgetting we have some feats that could’ve been calced before moving onto the higher feats. So at this points it’s just a whichever we think is impressive or we remember to calc.
 
well I wanted to at least ask this about Riveria's Via Shilheim, it's described as "a shield that completely blocks physical and magical attacks", do we interpret this as literally "it nullifies magic spells when targeted towards it? or just a basic shield? since the firestorm managed to break it, so... would it just be a regular shield that for some reason the story has to specify "it blocks against magic spells"?
 
just to bring discussion back in here, what are we scaling level 6 adventurers at? just want to know what's the feat we'll use as reference
 
just to bring discussion back in here, what are we scaling level 6 adventurers at? just want to know what's the feat we'll use as reference
10x whatever the level 5s will be. So probably either 7-B+ or 7-A assuming the approximation for the level 5 feats are correct.
 
10x whatever the level 5s will be. So probably either 7-B+ or 7-A assuming the approximation for the level 5 feats are correct.
alright but for reference, are we gonna scale base Bell to it or are we gonna use chainscaling from behemoth alternative? in theory level 5 (which is level 6) Bell being able to keep up with current day Ottar in terms of power means he should scale just fine to Astrea Record Ottar which could match Zard and by extension, Behemoth, which by extension again would include Behemoth alternative

Unless you don't want to do that and just want to scale Bell to the Ottar vs Zard Orario shaking feat. I'm just wondering which direction we're taking here
 
alright but for reference, are we gonna scale base Bell to it or are we gonna use chainscaling from behemoth alternative? in theory level 5 (which is level 6) Bell being able to keep up with current day Ottar in terms of power means he should scale just fine to Astrea Record Ottar which could match Zard and by extension, Behemoth, which by extension again would include Behemoth alternative

Unless you don't want to do that and just want to scale Bell to the Ottar vs Zard Orario shaking feat. I'm just wondering which direction we're taking here
Why would level 6s chainscale from Behemoth Alternative? That thing is like a mini Three Great Quest. We’re upscaling the level 6s from the Valgang Dragon and Amphisbaena’s floor shaking feats.
 
Why would level 6s chainscale from Behemoth Alternative? That thing is like a mini Three Great Quest. We’re upscaling the level 6s from the Valgang Dragon and Amphisbaena’s floor shaking feats.
just saying that there is a form of chainscale for Bell specifically if you wanna go there
 
also this is unrelated but I thought of how Bell managed to break away the seal that his falna had during the Aedes Vesta event, when Vesta removed the falna from Bell and company, and Bell and the rest managed to break out of. Even if a non canon story I'd say this is worth aknowledging

would this be considered "resistance to sealing" or something akin to that?
 
Also here's what I have so far for the draft of the verse page.


And uhh not sure if I'm doing the calcs correctly. But I decided to copy the earthquake formulas that the Astrea Record Orario shaking feats used and these are the results I got for the remaining three earthquake feats

Lambton shakes the entire 27th floor which is larger than the 24th floor which is half the size of Orario


Lambton shakes Floor 27
10^((1.5(6+0.0238*24.26805)+4.8)) = 110.860724187380498 Kilotons (High 7-C)

Valgang Dragons shaking Floors 52 and the floors surround it with their fireball from hundreds of meters away


7 Valgang Dragons shakes Floor 52 and its surrounding floors by shooting together
Floor 51
10^((1.5(6+0.0238*86.03535)+4.8)) = 17.777484942638622556 Megatons
Floor 52
10^((1.5(6+0.0238*90.6561)+4.8)) = 25.991484225621416471 Megatons
Floor 53
10^((1.5(6+0.0238*95.525)+4.8)) = 38.783840822179733721 Megatons
Total
82.5528099904 Megatons / 7 Valgang Dragons = 11.7932585701 Megatons (7-B)
Not including the melting or vaporization of hundreds of meters of bedrock btw

Demi Spirit’s Meteor Swarm violently shakes the entire 59th floor


Titan Alm Demi Spirit shaking Floor 59
10^((1.5(6+0.0238*130.7298)+4.8)) = 700.58716539196939266 Megatons (7-A+)

10^((1.5(6.5+0.0238*130.7298)+4.8)) = 3.9396912045889100895 Gigatons (High 7-A+)

10^((1.5(7+0.0238*130.7298)+4.8)) = 22.154511711281070774 Gigatons (6-C)

If I did everything correctly than

Level 4 = High 7-C

Level 5 = 7-B

That's surprisingly consistent with the other scaling and statements we got if everything I did is correct. The gap between level 4 and 5 were stated to be greater than all the past levels so it makes sense that the Valgang Dragon feat that scales to level 5 is around 100x higher than the Lambton feat that level 4s scale to. And the Titan Alm Demi Spirit's Meteor Swarm violently shaking the entire 59th floor depending on the magnitude could be anywhere from 7-A+ to 6-C.

No clue which magnitude could be used but the magic was so powerful it left craters in the ground and caused a shockwave so powerful that it blew Ais's gauntlets off and sent even level 6s flying at the center. The level 5s and higher could just barely survive the shockwave when not being hit directly by the Meteor Swarm. While the level 4s and lower could survive it thanks to Ais protecting them. Riveria and Gareth on the other hand. They were outright stated to have been hit directly by the magic while unconscious. So their durability should scale directly to the magic. Gareth has level 7 physical stats while Riveria is level 6 with really high magic resistance and was consistently shown to be comparable to Gareth in durability against magic as shown with her also taking the same attacks Gareth did from Alfia in Astra Record. So depending on how high this feat is it could be a supporting or direct scaling feat for level 7s.

Though thinking about it now there's also the problem of how this was made with a magic that summons a swarm of meteors and not just one meteor. So I'm not sure if the results would need to be split between the number of meteors summoned.

Edit: There's also this feat that I dunno how to calc. The tsunami cracking wall feat I mean as I can just calc the Water Capital shaking with the formula I used before if its correct. If the tsunami feat results are higher than High 8-C than it would be usable for level 3s and maybe level 2s.

Amphisbaena violently shakes the entire Water Capital and cracked the wall with a massive tsunami which level 2s and 3s can survive


Edit 2: Made the Amphisbaena earthquake feat and assumed it was a magnitude of 7 since they said an incomparable amount of debris fell compared to the previous explosions that shook the entire floor and the Water Capital and that the tremors caused an alarming lattice of cracks across the cavern

Amphisbaena violently shakes the entire Water Capital
Floor 25
10^((1.5(7+0.0238*21.81335)+4.8)) = 2.8651338432122370747 Megatons
Floor 26
10^((1.5(7+0.0238*23.008)+4.8)) = 3.1607774856596559943 Megatons
Floor 27
10^((1.5(7+0.0238*21.81335)+4.8)) = 3.5057239483747610898 Megatons
Total
9.53163527725 Megatons (7-B)

7-B once again. Pretty darn consistent for level 5s from the looks of it. Now if only we can get the tsunami feat calced and see how it scales to level 2s and 3s.
hey out of curiosity, do we have an agreement yet on these calcs or are these yet to be approved?
 
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