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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Wait so Demigra (Dragon Ball Xenoverse) has a 6-D key despite being able to destroy the Multiverse? So is ONLY destroying the Multiverse in Dragon Ball 6-D?

Complex Multiverse level (6-D; Became stronger after absorbing Tokitoki, who can lay eggs that hatch into an entire timeline which is a 6-dimensional hypertimeline and control time, with Demigra claiming to be able to do so as well, other than being able to create his own history after erasing all the others through the destruction of the Time Vault. Can become stronger by transforming into his Final Form), far higher through Environmental Destruction (From destroying the Time Vault, a place where the flow of time gathers, he was about to destroy every timeline and history, which includes an infinite amount of timelines)
 
Spinoirr said:
Wait so Demigra (Dragon Ball Xenoverse) has a 6-D key despite being able to destroy the Multiverse? So is ONLY destroying the Multiverse in Dragon Ball 6-D?

Complex Multiverse level (6-D; Became stronger after absorbing Tokitoki, who can lay eggs that hatch into an entire timeline which is a 6-dimensional hypertimeline and control time, with Demigra claiming to be able to do so as well, other than being able to create his own history after erasing all the others through the destruction of the Time Vault. Can become stronger by transforming into his Final Form), far higher through Environmental Destruction (From destroying the Time Vault, a place where the flow of time gathers, he was about to destroy every timeline and history, which includes an infinite amount of timelines)
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XV Demigra profile will get a total overhaul in the future cause it is bad....
 
Spinoirr said:
Wait so Demigra (Dragon Ball Xenoverse) has a 6-D key despite being able to destroy the Multiverse? So is ONLY destroying the Multiverse in Dragon Ball 6-D?

Complex Multiverse level (6-D; Became stronger after absorbing Tokitoki, who can lay eggs that hatch into an entire timeline which is a 6-dimensional hypertimeline and control time, with Demigra claiming to be able to do so as well, other than being able to create his own history after erasing all the others through the destruction of the Time Vault. Can become stronger by transforming into his Final Form), far higher through Environmental Destruction (From destroying the Time Vault, a place where the flow of time gathers, he was about to destroy every timeline and history, which includes an infinite amount of timelines)
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It depends on what you mean by multiverse, XV Demigra just intended to destroy the time vault to destroy all timelines (which is just a 6D feat) except the whole cosmology (since CoT and Central axis aren't affected). But for the characters who can affect the CoT which is beyond and outside the Baseline multiverse with their sheer power (which the central axis is embedded in) requires higher range than it naturally, so they can already logically affect the central axis, and we don't see time travelling back in time in the previous iteration of the multiverse. But Toki Toki needs to restore the DBH cosmology from the destruction and the absorption Of it etc. Maybe, you can argue for XV demigra being on that level cuz he absorbed Toki Toki? but it will create a lot of problems.
 
RoninSlayer200 said:
So shockwaves simply have not enough range.

Or afterlife is built different

Or maybe it affected Afterlife and you just don't see it.
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Well, objects in it weren't destroyed or damaged, like Kaio's planet.
RoninSlayer200 said:
Either way, this is not 1-A. Shockwaves can get infinitely stronger and this means nothing, infinite power difference doesn't make you reach from Low 2-C to 1-A 😭. It's not even 2-A without further context.
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Well...shouldn't it imply that no increase could grant them ability to net with Afterlife as they was getting stronger, but couldn't do so? I saw how on Star Wars page something was granted 1-A by the same method
 
AyOgUyS said:
There's no singular right way to qualify. I'd recommend you read the verse pages and cosmology blogs of verses that are currently accepted as 1-A and above (World of Darkness, Cthulhu Mythos, Marvel & DC Comics, etc.)
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That's the thing, I read all of them before doing it. Maybe I lost the main thing in the proccess to understand it?
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Exactly what's I was refering lol.

(Legit, this site have the dumbest DB downplay reason I ever seen😭)
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Island level Xeno Goku...in Russia there are many people that think Goku from manga(DB-DBZ-DBS) is city block level, but even they say that Xeno Goku is higher than universal level...wtf is thecodex!?
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Xeno Goku - Dragon Ball

Master Xeno Goku's Time Patrol saga through Dragon Ball Heroes. Witness his Super Saiyan 4 evolution, epic multiverse battles, and fight to protect all timelines.
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Shar122 said:
It depends on what you mean by multiverse, XV Demigra just intended to destroy the time vault to destroy all timelines (which is just a 6D feat) except the whole cosmology (since CoT and Central axis aren't affected). But for the characters who can affect the CoT which is beyond and outside the Baseline multiverse with their sheer power (which the central axis is embedded in) requires higher range than it naturally, so they can already logically affect the central axis, and we don't see time travelling back in time in the previous iteration of the multiverse. But Toki Toki needs to restore the DBH cosmology from the destruction and the absorption Of it etc. Maybe, you can argue for XV demigra being on that level cuz he absorbed Toki Toki? but it will create a lot of problems.
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So how does this affect Salad Saiyan's scaling for FCOC as he uses Dragon Ball Games cosmology plus his own on top of it

In salads words:
"So this is how continuities work in Cell Prime, using the main timelines as examples.

The purple lines are portals/bridges. You can break into alternate continuities with enough power (ex. Crane School Kakarot aka Evil Kakarot did this at the end of his story, going to other what ifs)

Fu at his peak can rewrite EVERYTHING, and ascended to a point where he and Salad interacted, but but ultimately Salad does exist on a higher level and can overpower that rewrite. Fu (as well as Piccolo) both have edited videos on their own before

This is not to scale ofc

Dark red - continuity cluster (continuities that are closely related exist together in these)

Purple - bridges (can be made to other continuities within a cluster, stronger beings can make them to ANY continuity)

Light red - Super continuity (holds all continuities

Neon green - the place separate from everything else where Cell and Piccolo are fighting for eternity. This is the same dimensionality as pink, but separate

Pink - the area outside of that, which we’ll call a “hyper continuity”. This is where Fu Prime ascended

Dark green rectangle - anything that Salad views as “fiction”

Each character’s place is the highest point they can ascend to. You can see Chronoa is on the edge, because she has awareness of that but ultimately isn’t able to ascend it (until her power is absorbed by Fu)

About Continuity clusters: Any scenario that’s closely related. Reborn Goku and Vegeta for example. Kinda like how multiple timelines exist in a continuity, different but related"

A continuity is basically a Bulk Space pretty much and there is a infinite number of them pretty much. The balls inside the continuities are the 6-D timelines
 
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Spinoirr said:
how does this affect Salad Saiyan's scaling for FCOC as he uses Dragon Ball Games cosmology plus his own on top of it

In salads words:
"So this is how continuities work in Cell Prime, using the main timelines as examples.

The purple lines are portals/bridges. You can break into alternate continuities with enough power (ex. Crane School Kakarot aka Evil Kakarot did this at the end of his story, going to other what ifs)

Fu at his peak can rewrite EVERYTHING, and ascended to a point where he and Salad interacted, but but ultimately Salad does exist on a higher level and can overpower that rewrite. Fu (as well as Piccolo) both have edited videos on their own before

This is not to scale ofc

Dark red - continuity cluster (continuities that are closely related exist together in these)

Purple - bridges (can be made to other continuities within a cluster, stronger beings can make them to ANY continuity)

Light red - Super continuity (holds all continuities

Neon green - the place separate from everything else where Cell and Piccolo are fighting for eternity. This is the same dimensionality as pink, but separate

Pink - the area outside of that, which we’ll call a “hyper continuity”. This is where Fu Prime ascended

Dark green rectangle - anything that Salad views as “fiction”

Each character’s place is the highest point they can ascend to. You can see Chronoa is on the edge, because she has awareness of that but ultimately isn’t able to ascend it (until her power is absorbed by Fu)

About Continuity clusters: Any scenario that’s closely related. Reborn Goku and Vegeta for example. Kinda like how multiple timelines exist in a continuity, different but related"

A continuity is basically a Bulk Space pretty much and there is a infinite number of them pretty much. The balls inside the continuities are the 6-D timelines
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It'll probably upscale the top tier characters if it follows the DBH cosmology ofc. And if said characters scale to the whole cosmology. Which is +1D over the infinite 6D timelines, and plus the other higher realms you mentioned can likely be fundamentally superior to the former.
 
Shar122 said:
It'll probably upscale the top tier characters if it follows the DBH cosmology ofc. And if said characters scale to the whole cosmology. Which is +1D over the infinite 6D timelines, and plus the other higher realms you mentioned can likely be fundamentally superior to the former.
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My view, infinite continuites: Infinite 7-D, Infinite bulk spaces for multiple Timelines
Super Continuity that contains all the infinite continuities: 8-D due to the Central Axis of History
Hyper Continuity: 9-D
 
Spinoirr said:
My view, infinite continuites: Infinite 7-D, Infinite bulk spaces for multiple Timelines
Super Continuity that contains all the infinite continuities: 8-D due to the Central Axis of History
Hyper Continuity: 9-D
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That can be reasonable, it just depends where you integrate the central axis in the hierarchy anyways.
 
We need Afterlife 5-D Low 1-C. Neutral Zone 7-D. Hypertimeline 8-D. DBH 2nd Hypertimeline 9-D. DBH new spatial dimension 10-D

With this, Early DBS Goku will be Low 1-C. Mid DBS Goku will be 1-C 7-D. Late DBS Goku will be 8-D. Zeno will be 9-D. and DBH characters will be 10-D.

This is the Perfect DB Scaling
 
KaramcaS said:
We need Afterlife 5-D Low 1-C. Neutral Zone 7-D. Hypertimeline 8-D. DBH 2nd Hypertimeline 9-D. DBH new spatial dimension 10-D

With this, Early DBS Goku will be Low 1-C. Mid DBS Goku will be 1-C 7-D. Late DBS Goku will be 8-D. Zeno will be 9-D. and DBH characters will be 10-D.

This is the Perfect DB Scaling
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Tbf, I think either that is true or 1-A meta. That's the two cosmology scalings I consider real for DB
 
Mgebrat282 said:
No, both Afterlife and Mortal world exist in timeline via it they exist at the same moment. The same thing we saw with World of Void which was stated to lack time and space, but people from the universe 2 could see what happen in the World of Void while being in their universe. So no, action in such realities exist at the same moment with those that do have time
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This sounds familiar....

 
Mgebrat282 said:
Well...shouldn't it imply that no increase could grant them ability to net with Afterlife as they was getting stronger, but couldn't do so? I saw how on Star Wars page something was granted 1-A by the same method
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No at absolute best it means that the Afterlife has higher durability than the shockwaves. Even if the shockwaves were growing uncountable infinitely stronger every microsecond that still wouldn’t be 1-A
 
AyOgUyS said:
No at absolute best it means that the Afterlife has higher durability than the shockwaves. Even if the shockwaves were growing uncountable infinitely stronger every microsecond that still wouldn’t be 1-A
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But wouldn't it impy the qualitive superiority Afterlife has above mortal world via it's different structure? [the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the character/realm's superiority over dimensions. A simple example being a realm that is stated to lack space, time and physicality entirely, but is nonetheless shown as being "vaster" than physical reality in some way. Common imagery of this includes the universe as a small object encompassed in a wider backdrop.] [This inaccessibility possessed by qualitatively superior characters and realms can also be expressed in terms of sheer ontology, generally speaking. That is to say: They are fundamentally different from the nature of the lower reality, and this different nature is precisely the source of their superiority over it. Since their "otherness" is identical to their transcendence, no expansion or extension of the lower reality and anything in it can possibly attain to them, as long as it maintains its particular nature. Put it simply: They are as powerful as they are alien] Some statements about "transcendence" kinda implie that. Maybe I'm wrong somewhere?
 
Arale's Reality-Fiction didn't qualify even before the change of the tiering system that made it 1-A. So, unless you find counter arguments to what was presented in the downgrade thread, I doubt so
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Arale's Reality-Fiction didn't qualify even before the change of the tiering system that made it 1-A. So, unless you find counter arguments to what was presented in the downgrade thread, I doubt so
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Arale has clearly 1-A R>F. DDM accepted her as 1-A. But he said that "being 1-A only sometimes and solely through Plot Manipulation doesn't sound right."

Therefore, I think we can give Arale +1D with False R>F
 
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Goku fights a Different Demon King (CC Goku vs Kuromueina)

After crossing a SpaceTime Rift, Goku stumbles across an unknown world similar to the Demon Realm. Sensing his great power, which rivals even the Gods of that world, he is immediately challenged by the Underworld King. Eager to accept a challenge from such a mysterious opponent, Goku transforms...
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DB Bros help !

Also if goku is 7-D rn... I guess I can change it to 7-D for Kuro's key
 
KaramcaS said:
Arale has clearly 1-A R>F. DDM accepted her as 1-A. But he said that "being 1-A only sometimes and solely through Plot Manipulation doesn't sound right."

Therefore, I think we can give Arale +1D with False R>F
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Pls Goat

Upgrade them to infinite 1-B 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

I will fra just for you
 
MichaelCalistro said:
So what do you guys now think about Dragon Ball characters being 7D just like Sonic the Hedgehog characters?
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I can make them fight 7-D Isekai characters



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ExcelsisBerny said:
This sounds familiar....

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Drip sauce the goat 😭 the only thing is the "1A" afterlife argument is based on an outdated tiering system where having BDE type 1 is 1A or whatever now the new meta my friend Zeta uses is the summit scale where Goku black cuts space time the effect was beyond his understanding of space and time therefore he's 1A.
 
Mgebrat282 said:
By this logic nothing in DB is higher dimensional because Goku can punch everything away and all Goku versions are 3 dimensional beings that can't add dimensionality to them, so lower dimensional being can't destroy higher dimensional worlds and Goku is bounded by his physiology, he moves in straght lines when higher dimensional beings don't do that, etc. Let's downgrade Xenoverse cosmology to 3-4D at max, bruh
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You are arguing something entirely different what I said was about 1A not dimensions re-read the tiering system. Also comic curator isn't he a DC cosmic armor superman meat gobbler why does he make so much db content.
 
Currently participating in the Kuro vs CC Goku thread. I'm gonna be completely honest here, I genuinely feel manipulating the Time Scrolls should grant plot manipulation.
 
Another thing that's come to my attention is that there's still quite a few powers and abilities that haven't been added to Time Power. An example would be 'damage transfer', as seen when Chronoa transferred all the damage that was dealt to the Time Patrol to herself using Time Power. I remember there was a scan a couple of pages back talking about this very feat.
 
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