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Iwakura Lain Upgrade L1C (NEED STAFF INPUT)

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I just finish the anime and did some research on Iwakura Lain profile all across many website. Which makes me a bit confuse why Lain on VSB is missing most of her important feats and never was fix. For years, the Serial Experiments Lain has been stranded at Tier: Unknown because of the narrative leans heavily into abstract storytelling and esoteric philosophy. So most of you will not understand the term used in this verse. I'm providing this. There's annotated glossary section which explain all of it. Anyway before start big thanks to the maker of this blog. So here's thing I would like to upgrade ,first time upgrading verse kinda nervous👉👈:

Holographic​

In Layer:05 Distortion, Lain's holographic parents formally introduce the reality matrix, explicitly declaring that the standard Physical World functions underneath the Wired. Series writer Chiaki J. Konaka corroborated this directly in scenario commentaries:

Source Context (Konaka's commentary on Layer:05): "The line 'It's appropriate to see the Wired as the upper layer of the Real World' was one of the viewpoints I arrived at... Speaking in mystical terms, it's the Astral world. - Chiaki J. Konaka

Some might argue: "Konaka said Astral world, and Astral worlds are natively just 3D parallel planes" However, this is heavily contextualized by the literal physical structure mapped inside the verse. Konaka uses the mystical term "Astral world" as an analogy to explain esoteric hierarchies to viewers.

The Serial Experiments Lain Official Glossary and developer notes make this mathematical superiority literal:

Official Guidebook Glossary confirmation for "Matter's" Limits: "Real World: The world of reality in which we usually live. It is based on the schema that 'matter' equals 'existence'."

The regular Physical Universe in Lain is essentially just a lower level projection a 3D hologram created by the 'Upper' information realm. Because of this, the normal physical world is completely inferior. It is just exisiting information created by a Higher Dimension.

Transcendence​

A fundamental flaw in previous analyses of Lain is evaluating its Upper Phases (The deeper layers of the Wired) like physical locations mapped inside Euclidean computer structures.

According to Konaka’s scenario documents, traversing upper cosmological existences fully ignores measurable 3D dimensions, relying instead on pure conscious conceptualizing termed Metaphorize (メタフォライズ).

Konaka mapping out Spatial Laws in Visuel Experiments Lain: Existences inside higher dimensions "are unrelated to reality; it's a reflection of one's own will."

Further evidencing total 3D Spatial limit detachment: In Layer:06 KIDS, when navigating to interact with Professor Hodgeson, distance physically ceases to dictate motion. Lain simply overlaps existence entirely void of dimensional transit mechanics:

Source Quote "Lain teleported to Professor Hodgson, who is already in the hospice and whose light of life seems to be about to go out (Since this is the Wired, there's no distance)."

Because literal physical coordinates mathematically equal nothing relative to movement and navigation within higher planes, standard 3-D volumetric dimensions fail fundamentally as bounding concepts for this cosmology.

Wired​

Normal physical realities rely on spatial positioning moving across a linear timeline flow composing a 4-Dimensional continuum structure (Space-Time). However, we are expressly shown that as entities transcend the bottom Material reality layer in SEL, these standard 4-Dimensional axes become effectively useless non-factors.

First, dimensional transit ignores space. In Layer:06 KIDS, physical separation in the cosmology is rendered utterly negligible in relation to the upper spaces (Lain interacts physically over completely separate coordinate boundaries without dimensional movement, because as stated natively "there's no distance.")

More critically, upper planes operate beyond standard temporal timeframes (the fourth spatial-temporal axis constraint).
Konaka confirms directly via his commentary regarding visual phenomena natively recorded off reality overlaps mapped into the environment:

Source Quote : "I didn't mention this explicitly, but in the world where Lain is, time doesn't flow linearly, so the hat that was blown by the wind remained still."

Source Quote: "Furthermore, that is a space that isn't controlled by the tense of 'present'."

The Material Realm structurally comprises Space + Flowing Linear Time (A fundamental 4D / Universe Framework). By completely escaping and structurally invalidating Space (Axes 1, 2, and 3) AND sequential linear timeframe laws (Axis 4), higher entities are proven not to be parallel across a universe, but existing physically apart from 4D continuum logic natively entirely.

Upper-Layer Transcendence​

Within Canonical lore spanning CD Interaction points directly from game texts via side stories inside tracking metrics mapping Omnipresence In The Wired (Nightmare of Fabrication / Track Dc1029), Eiri objectively claims existence physically unbound by lower universe spatial dimension rules universally inherently applying structurally to upper-dimension parameters:

Translation Lore : "Broken things can't be recovered. Dead people don't revive. I'm speaking to you from a higher layer of the hierarchy that isn't bound by the rules of this world."

What Does This Quote Prove Objectively?

If standard physical "Space and Time" fundamentally limit dimensions in the Real World, but the overarching structural plane completely ignores those limits, here scaling dictates this represents an unquestionable mathematical superiority (+1 Dimensional Hierarchy). The literal rules of existence governing lower physics (life, entropy, dimensional coordinates) do not functionally reach or affect entities native to this higher plane. This secures the required criteria for Qualitative Superiority (R>F Level).

In the lore, this overarching foundational network generates physical realities dynamically. Because adjusting data at this original cosmic node overwrites all existing physical histories and possibilities below, standard timeline frameworks function purely as data subordinate to the overarching realm. This aligns exactly with the requirements for establishing a structurally superior qualitative layer globally encompassing physical existence.

Universal Consciousness & Infinite Mapping Sets​

In SEL, the entirety of standard history is canonically rooted within an underlying psychic multi-network that effectively warehouses every existence line. Konaka specifically confirms that this informational operates exactly like the Akashic Records, acting as an absolute multi-history node dictating existence:

Source Quote (Dc1036): "But if we assume it could be possible, we might be able to grasp the network of the unknowable realm that connects humans. The Kabbalah, the Akashic Records, or perhaps what Jung called the unconscious…"
And as noted directly across Live Scenario stream recordings, Konaka objectively bounds literal structural equivalents mapping directly describing strictly: "the memory archive of the entire world."

We know how "world memory" interacts structurally because untranslated sources detailed how individual lifetimes expand geometrically into continuous strings representing timelines mapping physical realities.

Source Quote (AX Magazine "Line 04"): "If we consider each individual moment-to-moment existence as a 'point,' then if we look at its life in the long run, the whole picture of existence becomes a 'line'... each person is a single, continuous line."

To rewrite reality, entities in the Upper Realms interact directly with this "Unknowable Network" (The Akashic Records). How does an Akashic Archive and a universal Jungian unconscious dictate cosmology size?
  1. As established in Section 3, time natively exists simply as infinite individual "lines" and timelines.
  2. The Akashic Archive / Unconscious Realm acts as the container housing all these endless lines. It holds the complete data of every parallel ego, unachieved outcome, timeline alteration, past memory, and potential future across all human histories organically.
  3. Holding an unbound database comprised of endless possibilities, timeline branches, and histories conceptually sets a base cosmology of infinite timeline data maps.
  4. An infinite space containing endless alternate timelines and data structures guarantees a baseline scale of Tier 2-A.

5D
SEL meets this textbook 5D requirement literally from Track Dc1029: "Nightmare of Fabrication" earlier. Here, the entity occupying the overarching structural layer functionally points downward at standard reality bounds, outright invalidating Euclidean dimensionality completely:

Canon Reference Quote (Eiri Masami): "Broken things can't be recovered. Dead people don't revive. I'm speaking to you from a higher layer of the hierarchy that isn't bound by the rules of this world."

By literally defining biological Entropy, Life, Space-time coordinates, and all physical bounds of causality simply as the "rules" governing standard existence structures strictly below himself (The material/3-D & Temporal Universe Plane)...Eiri's Upper Level demonstrates total dimensional alienation scaling upward.

When distance functionally hits absolute zero value, the physical axis points mapping universal chronology completely pause without physical mechanism (“Time doesn't flow linearly… space that isn’t controlled by the present.”), and upper cosmology completely invalidates rules confining downstream reality arrays, the qualitative scale difference definitively registers natively beyond a 4D grid mathematically mapping up directly across the threshold structurally qualifying a baseline 5D limit.

Conclusion

3-D: Individual moments of "Matter" exist as Points.​
4-D: The "Real World" is the sum of these points, forming a Line of Story (a 4-dimensional temporal axis).​
2-A Scope: The Wired/Akashic Records acts as a container for an infinite number of these 4D "Lines" (all potential histories and memories).​
Low 1-C : Because the Wired is a "Higher Layer of the Hierarchy" (Eiri) that treats these 4D lines as holographic information/data (Layer 05), which Eiri asserts to control, before Lain ultimately transcends him and cements herself as the true omnipresent God of the Wired​
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If I miss something tell me since I'm sure I did miss something

Agree:
Disagree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Vietthai96 @Antvasima (Downgrade to L2C)
 
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I don't think that way at all — I disagree.
We know that The Wired exists completely above the reality of the physical world, even beyond spacetime and its rules.
'The Wired isn't the same as the network, as in the connection between computers, TV, and telephones. It's actually the world that exists beyond these things — the "other side" which exists in contrast with "The Real World," in a state in which the boundary between "real" and "virtual" is blurred.'
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リアルワールド: 我々が普段生活している現実社会。「物質」 イコール 「存在」 という図式で成り立っている。

Real World: The world of reality in which we usually live. It is based on the schema that "matter" equals "existence".

Wired: リアルワールドに対比される形でも引用されるネットワーク世界・パソコンや電話、テレビなどのあらゆるマスメディアによって構築されている。 この世界においては物質もデータの一つとして扱われており、リアルワールドとは異なる価値観にある。

Wired: The Network world cited in contrast to the Real World. It's constructed by all kinds of mass media, such as TV, telephones, and personal computers. In this world, matter is also treated as a kind of data and has a different value than in the Real World.
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The Wired is said to be something that exists above the existence and reality of the physical world, unbound by the rules of lower existence.
The real world is merely a holographic projection cast from The Wired itself.
The physical world never truly existed on its own, because it is projected from The Wired — which regards the real world as nothing more than something physical.
The Wired itself is seen as a space of dreams and abstraction, where the flow of spacetime is non-linear.
This proves that The Wired underlies the physical world, from which the physical world is projected as a hologram.

I think that blog already has all the scans; I hope I don't need to scan them here.
The Wired should be 1-A baseline."
 
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I actually completely agree with the quotes and lore interpretations you brought up here! Everything you just highlighted the physical world being a hologram, matter simply being equated to 'data', and The Wired existing beyond the constraints of lower space-time is exactly what I used to justify the Qualitative Superiority of The Wired in this CRT. However, I disagree is how those concepts are translated here....what you are describing still grants a Low 1C rather than 1A rating.
Ihsjihahxu said:
The Wired is said to be something that exists above the existence and reality of the physical world, unbound by the rules of lower existence.
The real world is merely a holographic projection cast from The Wired itself.
The physical world never truly existed on its own, because it is projected from The Wired — which regards the real world as nothing more than something physical.
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you are specifically referring to transcending standard physical 4D Spacetime (the Lower Layer). It's common to know that clearly outlines that "transcending standard time and space" naturally gives a character/structure higher-dimensionality compared to whatever cosmology they originate from.
So be 1A, it must be fundamentally separated from the mathematical/geometric concept of spatial coordinate dimensionality itself, transcending an infinitely dimensional hierarchy, which doesn't make sense here.
Ihsjihahxu said:
The Wired itself is seen as a space of dreams and abstraction, where the flow of spacetime is non-linear.
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Being an abstract realm where spacetime is non-linear (Akashic/Mental/Jung Unconscious space) does not natively start at 1-A. Further, conceptual/mental upper spaces scale logically directly to what they are qualitatively viewing. As proven in the untranslated sources, existence within SEL is structurally described by "Points" (3D moments) turning into "Lines of story" (4D Lifespans/Time).
  1. The Real World is structurally a 4-Dimensional Plane.
  2. The Wired natively encompasses the sum of all infinite variations of these 4D lines (Which acts as a 2A Container limit minimum).
  3. As you proved, the higher entities view that space as totally inferior Holographic Data governed by 'rules' they organically exist outside of, satisfying a single, decisive ontological qualitative step above reality.
Everything you mentioned definitively acts as airtight proof of a 5D completely securing the structural baseline I laid out for Low 1C. To upgrade past this to 1A, we would require a specific, concrete, textual mathematical declaration that the Wired transcends the infinite conceptual properties of arbitrary Dimensional Coordinate structures. Until then, the Hologram R>F dynamic puts us flawlessly into Low 1C limits. But fyi it's kinda possible since Im not done watching the full gameplay!
 
Ihsjihahxu said:
I don't think that way at all — I disagree.
We know that The Wired exists completely above the reality of the physical world, even beyond spacetime and its rules.


The Wired is said to be something that exists above the existence and reality of the physical world, unbound by the rules of lower existence.
The real world is merely a holographic projection cast from The Wired itself.
The physical world never truly existed on its own, because it is projected from The Wired — which regards the real world as nothing more than something physical.
The Wired itself is seen as a space of dreams and abstraction, where the flow of spacetime is non-linear.
This proves that The Wired underlies the physical world, from which the physical world is projected as a hologram.

I think that blog already has all the scans; I hope I don't need to scan them here.
The Wired should be 1-A baseline."
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Doesn't seems like you're going to reply anymore🙏 What r your thought on this? You agree?
 
DenzOnigiri said:

Wired​

Normal physical realities rely on spatial positioning moving across a linear timeline flow composing a 4-Dimensional continuum structure (Space-Time).
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This is something I'm not sure that I understand.

What does the positon of whatever in space have to do with the flow of time?

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Serial Experiments Lain, & I often don't get involved with higher dimensional stuff. Still, since I was asked to comment here, I spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around the OP, & it sort of makes sense to me, but I'm unsure....

Of course, since it's possible I may not fully understand the scaling basis, & I'm not familiar with the verse, I'm not sure any approval of mine should be counted.

Sorry. I know it's not that much. Still, I hope this helps!
 
Imaginym said:
This is something I'm not sure that I understand.

What does the positon of whatever in space have to do with the flow of time?

Unfortunately, I am not familiar with Serial Experiments Lain, & I often don't get involved with higher dimensional stuff. Still, since I was asked to comment here, I spent a few minutes trying to wrap my head around the OP, & it sort of makes sense to me, but I'm unsure....

Of course, since it's possible I may not fully understand the scaling basis, & I'm not familiar with the verse, I'm not sure any approval of mine should be counted.

Sorry. I know it's not that much. Still, I hope this helps!
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First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to read through the CRT and leave a comment! It is completely okay that you aren't familiar with Serial Experiments Lain or the higher dimensional tiering. Honestly, this exact topic causes confusion all the time...dw your input absolutely matters here!
Ig it was completely my fault, my phrasing in that specific sentence was unnecessary

All I was trying to describe there is the basic concept of a standard Space Time Continuum (A 4D universe). A standard physical universe requires 3 spatial dimensions (where you are physically positioned) operating together with a 4th dimension: time (moving forward on a chronological flow). So when I said "spatial positioning moving across a linear timeline," I was just describing basic 4D universe physics.

The reason I had to establish this is because of the official lore in Serial Experiments Lain (From the translated AX Magazine quote I used in the Conclusion block). The series explicitly structures reality just like geometry:
  1. Standard matter existing statically in one spatial moment is called a "Point." (3D Spatial limitation)
  2. The lifespan of that existence moving forward along the flow of time is called a "Continuous Line of story." (4D temporal axis/Space Time flow).
The goal of that specific section of the CRT was just to definitively prove that Lain's Real World fits the definition of a standard 4 Dimensional Universe.

Thjis is imporant because :
Once we established that the standard physical universe is a 4D construct, it sets up our benchmark.
We know The Wired/Upper World natively views those 4D "time lines" below as inferior holographic data that its gods can rewrite on a whim, all while existing without any distance constraints or temporal flow. Since a Higher Realm is explicitly viewing a full 4D reality as sub level/inferior hologram data, standard guidelines naturally step in and classify that mathematically as an uncountably infinite layer higher (Low 1C).

Basically, my words sentence was just laying the basic groundwork proving the baseline world is structurally 4D so the R>F gap logic applies correctly.

I hope this clarifies the terminology I was using, and no worries if you aren't familiar with the verse...thank you again for trying to wrap your head around the logic in this weird verse🙏.
 
Antvasima said:
No problem. 🙏
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Sorry to bringing u here again Mr.Ant🙏How many staff approval do I need? and If none of them replied to this due to confusing/complicated verse, can I put Lain tier to tier L1C in her profile in VSB? So it will prevent anyone from taking this verse out.
 
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DenzOnigiri said:
Sorry to bringing u here again Mr.Ant🙏How many staff approval do I need? and If none of them replied to this due to confusing/complicated verse, can I put Lain tier to tier L1C in her profile in VSB? So it will prevent anyone from taking this verse out.
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5 Staff
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
I need more evidence of there being infinite timelines, as well as more evidence for 5D. Everything else makes sense so far.
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Hello and Thank you for reviewing the thread! To answer your questions :

Akashic Record

To safely classify a verse Tier 2A, timeline branches or characters/objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums . In Serial Experiments Lain, this relies on the canonical definition as: The Akashic Records / Collective Unconscious.

As I mentioned earlier, series creator Chiaki J. Konaka once defined it as the memory archive of the entire world during a livestream. Under standard fictional and real world esotericism rules heavily embraced by the author, the Akashic Record operates natively as an absolute database of all possibilities.

When Lain erases the events of the anime and structurally resets history (effectively choosing a new timeline), she draws from this collective unconscious network, because this database organically contains an infinite number of conceptual unmanifested timelines to pull from. Because the upper cosmology acts as the literal overarching vault containing every endless branch of potential historical timelines (possibilities across past, present, and future), encompassing this entire conceptual database perfectly equates to containing/overriding infinite timelines

According to Konaka in the October 1999 issue of Animerica Magazine, his use of the "collective unconscious" wasn't a statement about the series being inspired by Jung's works, and instead he could have used the Kabbalah and akashic record. (It's applied to Lain)

5D (R>F)

An overarching realm qualifies as 5D (Low 1C) if it is qualitatively superior to standard Space Time physics natively functioning beneath it. Usually, this is handled through Reality-Fiction Transcension, viewing standard physical 4D limits like cause and effect, and time identically to how we view written code, fiction, or holograms.

The Upper Layers of Lain explicitly do this:
To prove this provides actual ontological (+1 Qualitative Dimension / 5D) superiority and isn't just basic "manipulation," Eiri definitively establishes that this isn't simply standard existence residing on a parallel plane it is a unbound Hierarchy:

Track Dc1029: Eiri Masami Canonical Lore CD Quote: "I'm speaking to you from a higher layer of the hierarchy that isn't bound by the rules of this world."

When God tier Wired entities (like last eps Lain or Eiri Masami) look downwards at the physical Space Time Reality, standard rules like dimensional coordination, lifespan limits, temporal history, and space mechanically cease to apply entirely. Entities at this overarching structural point can edit entire real world timeline "lines" uniformly like mere holographic/textual data structures natively separate from their realm.

Explicitly governing over a 4D Space Time existence from a strictly superior Upper Hierarchy specifically when your Upper hierarchy organically lacks Spatial limitations and Linear Temporal Tense (time not flowing mechanically), effectively treating that 4D reality as subordinate "data variables" directly equals an overarching Uncountably Infinite qualitative leap or a mathematical 5D Existence.

Sry for late reply just turn on my laptop🙏
 
DenzOnigiri said:
Hello and Thank you for reviewing the thread! To answer your questions :

Akashic Record

To safely classify a verse Tier 2A, timeline branches or characters/objects that can significantly affect, create and/or destroy a countably infinite number of separate space-time continuums . In Serial Experiments Lain, this relies on the canonical definition as: The Akashic Records / Collective Unconscious.

As I mentioned earlier, series creator Chiaki J. Konaka once defined it as the memory archive of the entire world during a livestream. Under standard fictional and real world esotericism rules heavily embraced by the author, the Akashic Record operates natively as an absolute database of all possibilities.

When Lain erases the events of the anime and structurally resets history (effectively choosing a new timeline), she draws from this collective unconscious network, because this database organically contains an infinite number of conceptual unmanifested timelines to pull from. Because the upper cosmology acts as the literal overarching vault containing every endless branch of potential historical timelines (possibilities across past, present, and future), encompassing this entire conceptual database perfectly equates to containing/overriding infinite timelines

According to Konaka in the October 1999 issue of Animerica Magazine, his use of the "collective unconscious" wasn't a statement about the series being inspired by Jung's works, and instead he could have used the Kabbalah and akashic record. (It's applied to Lain)
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You still need actual scans mentioning or showing multiple timelines; just the mention of something in a form of media doesn't scale to the entirety of the real thing, unless given equal showing in the media itself.

DenzOnigiri said:
We establish first via the Official Game Glossary that standard Real World limits (“Matter equals Existence”) structurally function at the bottom. As Konaka stated directly: "The Real World isn't anything but a hologram created by information brought out from the upper Layer."
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You can't use the same scan twice to prove two different parts of the Cosmology.
DenzOnigiri said:
Track Dc1029: Eiri Masami Canonical Lore CD Quote: "I'm speaking to you from a higher layer of the hierarchy that isn't bound by the rules of this world."https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/v...ation01.png/revision/latest?cb=20240107004936
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This image link doesn't work.

You need scans showing it's superiortiy to the 4D layer.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
You still need actual scans mentioning or showing multiple timelines; just the mention of something in a form of media doesn't scale to the entirety of the real thing, unless given equal showing in the media itself.
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In anime (Layer: 13/ Ego), Lain completely detaches from the standard reality and accesses the overarching informational realm. From there, she actively discards the 4D history timeline that occurred throughout the series, resetting reality, and materializing a completely separate alternative historical timeline where Chisa never dies, Alice has no memories of the trauma, and Eiri quits his job before ascending.

In fact, the game and anime do not happen in the same "world". However, Ueda explained in the game official guide that thinking about Lain in terms of worldview and settings is the wrong way of thinking about it :

The Game Version and the Anime Version—these two works seem to be completely different in both story and setting, but is there a chronological connection between them?
Ueda: When you understand that the settings are different, you'll consider that there are no chronological connections between the Game Version and the Anime Version.

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
You can't use the same scan twice to prove two different parts of the Cosmology.
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um I'm not using the "Hologram" scan twice for two different parts of the cosmology. I used the AX Magazine quote separately to establish that the lower tier Physical Reality behaves mathematically like a 4D Reality Continuum. I then used the Hologram scan for a completely different function, explicitly to prove the Reality-Fiction / Qualitative gap between that base lower dimension and the upper domain. I did not mean to imply it proved the volume/width of the cosmology

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
This image link doesn't work.

You need scans showing it's superiortiy to the 4D layer.
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Here. Let me explain again,
Eiri saying he's "unbound by the rules of this world" in Track Dc1029 does not give Low 1C superiority just on its own. We have to map what those specific lower rules are mathematically in this cosmology, and the lore objectively confirms these "rules" govern 4D Reality physics.

Konaka's (dev) stated earlier: "he book explains that the inside of the Wired existence is unrelated to reality...Since this is the Wired, there is no distance." (sorry its Japanese hope u can translate). Entities acting from Eiri/Lain overarching tier treat standard 3 dimensional spatial positioning mathematically as zero (or natively irrelevant parameters).

Konaka additionally explicitly noted: "Time doesn't flow linearly...This series of scenes are consequently depicted within the Wired. Furthermore, that is a space that isn't controlled by the tense of "present".

Superiority shown via Editing: Finally, Lain directly establishes R>F level qualitative superiority over the lower 4D continuum natively because she acts from Eiri (eventually subsuming him) to actively treat a Linear Space Time Historical Continuum as merely "Holographic" that she simply wipes and replaces (In Layer 13).

Viewing standard Euclidean Spatial distance as a functional '0', bypassing chronological timeline flows, and sitting atop the overarching layer specifically to rewrite a lower 4 Dimensional universe entire past timeline exactly as one alters lower data fiction natively enough to proof this. The R>F superiority isn't just a generic rule break it specifically demonstrates full command functionally above a mapped 4D construct.

anyw sorry for Japanese scan, I get this from one of our staff blogpost.
 
DenzOnigiri said:
In anime (Layer: 13/ Ego), Lain completely detaches from the standard reality and accesses the overarching informational realm. From there, she actively discards the 4D history timeline that occurred throughout the series, resetting reality, and materializing a completely separate alternative historical timeline where Chisa never dies, Alice has no memories of the trauma, and Eiri quits his job before ascending.

In fact, the game and anime do not happen in the same "world". However, Ueda explained in the game official guide that thinking about Lain in terms of worldview and settings is the wrong way of thinking about it :

The Game Version and the Anime Version—these two works seem to be completely different in both story and setting, but is there a chronological connection between them?
Ueda: When you understand that the settings are different, you'll consider that there are no chronological connections between the Game Version and the Anime Version.
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This isn't good enough evidence, sadly.

DenzOnigiri said:
Here. Let me explain again,
Eiri saying he's "unbound by the rules of this world" in Track Dc1029 does not give Low 1C superiority just on its own. We have to map what those specific lower rules are mathematically in this cosmology, and the lore objectively confirms these "rules" govern 4D Reality physics.

Konaka's (dev) stated earlier: "he book explains that the inside of the Wired existence is unrelated to reality...Since this is the Wired, there is no distance." (sorry its Japanese hope u can translate). Entities acting from Eiri/Lain overarching tier treat standard 3 dimensional spatial positioning mathematically as zero (or natively irrelevant parameters).
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You need to ask someone to translate these to use them in a CRT.

DenzOnigiri said:
Konaka additionally explicitly noted: "Time doesn't flow linearly...This series of scenes are consequently depicted within the Wired. Furthermore, that is a space that isn't controlled by the tense of "present".
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Same thing here.

DenzOnigiri said:
Superiority shown via Editing: Finally, Lain directly establishes R>F level qualitative superiority over the lower 4D continuum natively because she acts from Eiri (eventually subsuming him) to actively treat a Linear Space Time Historical Continuum as merely "Holographic" that she simply wipes and replaces (In Layer 13).

Viewing standard Euclidean Spatial distance as a functional '0', bypassing chronological timeline flows, and sitting atop the overarching layer specifically to rewrite a lower 4 Dimensional universe entire past timeline exactly as one alters lower data fiction natively enough to proof this. The R>F superiority isn't just a generic rule break it specifically demonstrates full command functionally above a mapped 4D construct.

anyw sorry for Japanese scan, I get this from one of our staff blogpost.
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The Wired is already 4D, so you need evidence of the Wired being treated as dimensionally insignificant for anything above it to be 5D.
 
The blog was done fully by me, but it was a long time ago using pieces of a post I did for my personal blog.
 
Executor_N0 said:
The blog was done fully by me, but it was a long time ago using pieces of a post I did for my personal blog.
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Tq for your blogpost
Did you translate it yourself, or was the translation done by a translation staff? I need to make sure that the scans were correctly translated 🙏
 
As I said, it was done by me for another website. So it wasn't done for the Wiki with other staff members, I just wanted to test somethings and see if I could work on something.

If the current standards ask for translation only from translator staff members, you would need to get new ones I think.
 
Executor_N0 said:
As I said, it was done by me for another website. So it wasn't done for the Wiki with other staff members, I just wanted to test somethings and see if I could work on something.

If the current standards ask for translation only from translator staff members, you would need to get new ones I think.
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Alrightt tq for your time🙏
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
This isn't good enough evidence, sadly.
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Tbh I don't mind the 2A rating to Low 2C. What do you think?
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
The Wired is already 4D, so you need evidence of the Wired being treated as dimensionally insignificant for anything above it to be 5D.
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As detailed in the translated HK Magazine Interview, Konaka explain:
Konaka confirms here that a True Unknowable Highest Layer resides explicitly above both the 4D Real World and the 4D Wired network.
The Low 1C / 5D Gap occurs because Eiri and Lain eventually operate natively from that specific true upper realm. From that absolute overarching domain, standard physics (euclidean spatial distance, time tenses, and dimensional lines) cease to mathematically exist, and standard 4D chronological histories/data are treated merely as subservient holographic information to be rewritten.
 
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