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The greatest threat: Dabura Kabara vs Ryomen Sukuna | 8-0-0

AyOgUyS said:
gng that statement is vague and does not prove modulo yuji scales
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i mean true, but it's pretty obviously implied by the author that he would be able to scale

why make Yuji aura farm this much, or even draw him making that statement if Gege didn't want the reader to believe it? why make Yuji blow smoke for no reason?
 
Modulo Yuji is too vague, we can’t say he is as strong as Dabura after the latter fights for real, nor can we say he is decidedly on tier with Sukuna to chainscale the latter. As it is it the scale could very well be this Dabura> Yuji> Sukuna.

Sukuna has no clean scaling to Dabura and the latter hard portrayals cap his physical performance to below relativistic, like how would a character doing sonic booms by moving make everyone who doesn’t cause them be assumed below sonic speed
 
AguilaR202 said:
Modulo Yuji is too vague, we can’t say he is as strong as Dabura after the latter fights for real, nor can we say he is decidedly on tier with Sukuna to chainscale the latter. As it is it the scale could ve this Dabura> Yuji> Sukuna
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i mean fair enough, Modulo Yuji is admittedly featless and the story didn't require him to fight many people at all

but it just seems weird to me that Yuji would even make that statement if it wasn't at least partially true. Why would the writer just blatantly lie about something?
 
Mickey1940 said:
but it just seems weird to me that Yuji would even make that statement if it wasn't at least partially true.
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he is using his own judgment from what he knows to deduce whether or not he can beat dabura, however given his lack of feats scaling him to dabura is highly questionable
Mickey1940 said:
Why would the writer just blatantly lie about something?
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not an argument, gege didn't make that statement canonically, yuji does
 
AyOgUyS said:
that's the issue with scaling him to dabura
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you know what, fair enough

so is Modulo Yuji gonna be considered "Unknown" ap and stats on this wiki

or at least like "At least High 7C, likely far higher" cuz he obviously upscales from his Shinjuku self
 
Mickey1940 said:
or at least like "At least High 7C, likely far higher" cuz he obviously upscales from his Shinjuku self
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He will at the bare minimum upscale from his og JJK self, i've seen calcs of his infamous city spanning dismantle that get to city-mountain level so maybe he could scale to that, you can possibly argue he upscales gojo and sukuna as well
 
AyOgUyS said:
He will at the bare minimum upscale from his og JJK self, i've seen calcs of his infamous city spanning dismantle that get to city-mountain level so maybe he could scale to that, you can possibly argue he upscales gojo and sukuna as well
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If his dismantle calc gets accepted as a feat it would upscale adult yuta too
 
AyOgUyS said:
He will at the bare minimum upscale from his og JJK self, i've seen calcs of his infamous city spanning dismantle that get to city-mountain level so maybe he could scale to that, you can possibly argue he upscales gojo and sukuna as well
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I still have no idea how that feat is calculable or even legit given cursed spirits explode in clouds of dust so killing a ton of them is bound to get... well, the panels that we saw lul

featless bum should stay as the featless bum he is
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
I still have no idea how that feat is calculable or even legit given cursed spirits explode in clouds of dust so killing a ton of them is bound to get... well, the panels that we saw lul

featless bum should stay as the featless bum he is
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idk gng ask the calc staff
 
Qurbonboev said:
And why would Unlimited Void would work on someone with much higher perception speed (at max) than anyone he faced before?
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infinite information is still infinite information

processing the information faster doesn't negate Infinite Void's effects
 
would it be possible to find the bare minimum processing speed to tank UV?
 
AyOgUyS said:
would it be possible to find the bare minimum processing speed to tank UV?
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No, I talked about this in a previous thread, processing/perception speed is irrelevant to UV. It forces your own senses to process the information so the speed it happens is relative to the user. It's not set.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Base mahos durability isn’t that high casual 15f distance dismantles can cut clean through him but I’d say Dabura’s light is stronger because Maho didn’t adapt nearly as fast compared to dismantles
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Sukuna had already expanded his Domain, so it's important to remember that Mahoraga was being hit by well over a hundred Dismantles at the same time. If I remember correctly, Sukuna killed him with Fuga before he had fully adapted.
As for the statement, I don't think Dabura moves at the speed of light because of it. A speed around Sub-Relativistic+ seems much more likely. On top of that, Sukuna blitzed Kashimo two or three times, so I think there's a solid argument for Relativistic+ or even FTL scaling from that.
Meanwhile, Dabura doesn't really have any notable feats, whether it's CE output, domain control, or anything similar. Considering all of that, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that Sukuna would win.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Modulo Yuji is too vague, we can’t say he is as strong as Dabura after the latter fights for real, nor can we say he is decidedly on tier with Sukuna to chainscale the latter. As it is it the scale could very well be this Dabura> Yuji> Sukuna.

Sukuna has no clean scaling to Dabura and the latter hard portrayals cap his physical performance to below relativistic, like how would a character doing sonic booms by moving make everyone who doesn’t cause them be assumed below sonic speed
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It makes more sense to scale Dabura through Sukuna instead.

Also, Modulo Yuji has virtually no solid feats or statements. At best, you could argue for town level, but even that has already been debunked. The only things he really has are the Dismantle scaling and the Mahito statement, and both of those have been debunked as well.

So, at the very least, Yuji is definitely below Gojo and Sukuna, while dabura placement beyond that is still open to debate.
 
LaserPrecision said:
No, I talked about this in a previous thread, processing/perception speed is irrelevant to UV. It forces your own senses to process the information so the speed it happens is relative to the user. It's not set.
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Unlimited Void mainly targets the mind, consciousness, and soul rather than physical speed. Based on everything we've seen so far, Sukuna is arguably one of the top one or two characters in terms of mental and spiritual resilience, yet he was still affected the moment Unlimited Void was activated.
With that in mind, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that its effect is consistent, or that Dabura would be affected by it as well. Tying concepts like consciousness, the mind, or the soul to movement speed doesn't really make sense.
So even if Dabura were Sub-Relativistic+, he would still be affected by Unlimited Void. I don't think that debunk is particularly convincing.
 
Qurbonboev said:
It's not infinite information. Manga gives "6 month of information in 0.2 second timeframe"
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Which volume or page is that explanation from?
The manga never states that Unlimited Void gives someone six months' worth of information in 0.2 seconds. What it actually says is that it floods the target with infinite information.
That 0.2 seconds refers to how long the Domain was active. During that brief moment, even while Gojo was nearly paralyzed, he was still able to distinguish the curses. But there's no statement or explanation anywhere that says it was specifically "six months' worth of information."
 
Qurbonboev said:
And why would Unlimited Void would work on someone with much higher perception speed (at max) than anyone he faced before?

This match concluded. Can someone add it to pages?(they are open)
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Considering that Gojo was able to perceive the curses while nearly paralyzed during the 0.2-second Unlimited Void, and taking Kashimo's waves into account, he doesn't seem like someone who would get blitzed that easily.

On the other hand, Dabura has no real feats and, at best, scales to Sub-Relativistic+ speed.

Gojo, meanwhile, blitzed Meguna, whose reactions are arguably better than Heian Sukuna's, one to three times, and he also has Blue. In addition, since the Six Eyes perceive all cursed energy with perfect precision, it seems highly unlikely that Dabura could blitz him.

He has no chance of escaping Unlimited Void; the moment he gets caught in it, his consciousness and soul will collapse.

In conclusion, Dabura doesn't have much of a win coin against Gojo.
 
Mega_editsyt said:
Unlimited Void mainly targets the mind, consciousness, and soul rather than physical speed. Based on everything we've seen so far, Sukuna is arguably one of the top one or two characters in terms of mental and spiritual resilience, yet he was still affected the moment Unlimited Void was activated.
With that in mind, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that its effect is consistent, or that Dabura would be affected by it as well. Tying concepts like consciousness, the mind, or the soul to movement speed doesn't really make sense.
So even if Dabura were Sub-Relativistic+, he would still be affected by Unlimited Void. I don't think that debunk is particularly convincing.
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Did you read my comment? My entire point was that I think Dabura would be affected by Unlimited Void. You're agreeing with me.
 
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