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Black Myth: Wukong General Discussion

do we have any way to know the height of wukong's reincarnation?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
do we have any way to know the height of wukong's reincarnation?
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From the wiki:
"The Destined One is the spitting image of his spiritual predecessor Sun Wukong, fittingly so as his mind and new incarnation. He has light brown fur with 84,000 spiky hairs, pinkish beige skin, dark brownish eyes, a thin tail, black nails, and is of an average sized height and build human."
 
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
From the wiki:
"The Destined One is the spitting image of his spiritual predecessor Sun Wukong, fittingly so as his mind and new incarnation. He has light brown fur with 84,000 spiky hairs, pinkish beige skin, dark brownish eyes, a thin tail, black nails, and is of an average sized height and build human."
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Mhm 🤔... Hopefully that is an official statement but could just be their head canon
 
The copywriting team worked overtime, crafting poems for nearly every character. The first chapter features the Forest Of Wolves, Lingxuzi, who is a fleeting, minor character from the original work, but in the game, he becomes the first significant enemy players face. He is adorned with white fluff, stands as tall as two people, and has a robust build. One of his skills allows him to shatter a section of the ground before him.

Maybe this could work? Wolf would be around 3.42 m, which we can possibly measure him to the MC
Lloydblitzed said:
Pretty sure he shown around human sized in front of other humans
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Well we don't know the heights of them, isn't Erlang kinda human? Maybe more demi god but still, I think humans in the game vary alot from what I remember... But I don't remember 🙈 much
 
MonkeyOfLife said:

Going to use this for the size of staff also
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Do you think this is a 4-C feat?
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About the universal staff statment

It's a quote from from the novel
Suddenly a mighty yellow wind arose in the sky. Dear wind! It was indeed powerful.

Cold and whistling, it changed Heaven and Earth,
As yellow sand whirled without form or shape.
It cut through woods and hills to break pines and plums;
It tossed up dirt and dust, cracking crags and cliffs.

...


Hu-la-la!
The universe did almost split apart!
The whole world was one mighty trembling mass!
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So Yellow Wind Sage wind is universal not the staff. So Destined One should scale to him both AP and Durability after defeating him

Still needed to jump Wukong
Description:
Yellow Wind Sage was one of Sun Wukong's old enemies that was previously defeated. After being spared by Bodhisattva Lingji, Yellow Wind Sage participated in the Celestial Court's attack on Sun Wukong, and was gifted Wukong's ears. With these new powers, Yellow Wind Sage took revenge and decapitated Bodhisattva Lingji before taking his rat guais back to retake Yellow Wind Ridge. His only true resistance would be sons of his old lieutenant, Tiger Vanguard, but both were dealt with easily. The younger brother was knocked out and later fled, while the elder brother surrendered and joined his ranks.

Yellow Wind Sage soon took control of the entire valley as his Samadhi Wind polluted the nearby areas like Sandgate Village and his rat guais and stone guais overran the rest. Having finally returned to power, Yellow Wind Sage would hide behind special gates with requiring two tallies from his best vanguards.
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Lloydblitzed said:
From what novel?
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JTTW, according to the trivia
Its description comes from The Journey to the West, Chapter 21 “The Vihārapālas prepare lodging for the Great Sage; Lingji of Sumeru crushes the wind demon.” The phrase mirrors the moment when the Yellow Wind Demon unleashes his tempest, nearly tearing heaven and earth asunder.
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I found a similar statment
"It must be a brain−snatching wind," interrupted Pig, "or a goat's ear wind, or a hemp wind, or a head−twisting wind."

"No, no," the old man said, "it's called a Divine Samadhi Wind."

"What's it like?" Monkey asked.

"It can darken Heaven and Earth,

Make gods and devils gloomy,

Split rocks open and bring cliffs down,

And it doesn't stop till you're dead," Chapter 21 p307
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And all it did is hurt Wukong's eyes. I like the part where they're trying to come up with edgy names for it
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Thoughts on the AP scaling reasoning?
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Add him defeating Boss Wukong after the Shell stole his relics, putting the end of game Destined One on his level


About Keys:
They should be Destined One or Imcomplete Sun Wukong|Sun Wukong. He is a reincarnation of him, just like all the Destined Ones. The only difference is that he managed to gain his memories from Er Lang making him a perfect reincarnation.

(2:57:50): "Mind is the first of the six, it's the essence unique to every life. Therefore, it's destined to fade away at life's end." The Destined One is a not Wukong's mind, but through inheriting his memories made him so. Technically Wukong cheat death 🐵 >💀

(2:58:10): "That Wukong you knew will never return. But what made him remains. The universe will always bear him a successor, one who shall carry on his name and nature." somekind of immortality and support what I wrote
 
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Is there a cinematic of Erlang fighting the Mc against his attacks?
 
btw, if we calculate the movements of the light compared to Erlang's slashes, I believe it would also get a quite good result but it would be too time consuming to calculate lol

Bring a OPM supporter 🙈
 
MonkeyOfLife said:

Think it's finished, I believe that was the fastest spin he made, needs to only get evaluated

Unsure how the scaling would work tho 🙈
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This definitely isn't going to work. The measurements are all off. Even just eyeballing it the staff clearly doesn't move 80x faster than the beams, they take about 2 frames to hit the ground from Erlang while Wukong moves the staff like 5cm per frame. He absolutely does not move it 180° within the time the beam moves few centimeters.

Realistically this would probably be around high end subrel with proper measurements, probably higher with perfect dodge
 
I think you should look at the full frame by frame comparison before you speak then... The beam barely moved when it exploded at the same time the staff made a 180 from underneath, seen by the "wind" getting created as a 180
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This would also gain similar FTL results ...
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Same for this feat
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No way is it "high end subrel", that's just pure downplay and goes against both logic and common sense
 
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MonkeyOfLife said:
I think you should look at the full frame by frame comparison before you speak then... The beam barely moved when it exploded at the same time the staff made a 180 from underneath, seen by the "wind" getting created as a 180
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This would also gain similar FTL results ...
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Same for this feat
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No way is it "high end subrel", that's just pure downplay and goes against both logic and common sense
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Ngl this is super blurry and makes it really hard to see what's happening. This reduces the accuracy as well as the likelihood of a CGM actually wanting to evaluate it

Instead just record the light attack, the staff spin, and a perfect dodge all individually, measure how fast they are using meters per frame, then compare them.

Basically measure that Wukong moves X meters per Y frames.
Light moves Z meters per Y frames.
Speed in c = X / Y
 
Video of him actually blocking them is good to add to the calc but only for the purpose of proving he does canonically block the beams.

The actual speed should be determined by comparing the distance per frame speed method
 
the staff itself is delayed.. The Hits and effects are the indication of the timeframes and movements being made

It's as accurate and blunt as it can be... The seen delay of the staff animation doesn't discredit the feat or make it inaccurate at all... Blurriness does not reduce the accuracy

Both the huge effects and light is moving at extremely fast paces... Of course the bitrate for like 98% of videos will make it be blurry

The only other way is recording it ingame myself at even higher frames and such, but the 60 fps video is already fine by itself
 
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I believe Dalesean027 generally aims for accuracy, so if they do comment, they should be able to help with any corrections or clarifications if needed

I can calculate other feats as well for more "reliability" and support also... But that can all be for later

Based on the frame by frame, that's the actual results tho

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Light width = 17.7 px (0.036309403437813 m)

Light travel = 97.1 px (0.19918887418379 m)

Staff does another at least 180 degree rotation

Speed = 7.07669591104 / 0.19918887418379 = 35.5275661858x Speed Of Light
 
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MonkeyOfLife said:
the staff itself is delayed..
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What do you mean by delayed? As in the staffs animation doesn't align with the actual light blocking?

Because if so that just goes against your calculation even further as it implies blocking the light at point blank range is just a game mechanic rather than a clear speed feat.
MonkeyOfLife said:
It's as accurate and blunt as it can be... The seen delay of the staff animation doesn't discredit the feat or make it inaccurate at all... Blurriness does not reduce the accuracy
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No it absolutely does make it inaccurate.
If the light clearly moves more meters per frame then it's clearly faster than Wukong.
MonkeyOfLife said:
Both the huge effects and light is moving at extremely fast paces... Of course the bitrate for like 98% of videos will make it be blurry
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Which makes the measurements that much less accurate.

Like I'm sorry but your measurements are just factually incorrect because they're based on an extremely blurry screenshot and the results are contradictory to how many meters per frame the attacks actually move. Hell they're SUPER inconsistent with the fact that they suggest Wukong/TDO is 35-80 times faster than the attacks of someone relative to himself. Why tf would Erlang use attacks 80x slower than himself?

This is just trying to abuse game mechanics to glaze an inconsistently high result.
 
@Lloydblitzed
Where did you get his age being 5000?
  • You could add him resisting Yellow Wind as justification for his universal LS
  • About speed, During the OP scene Wukong said something like "all the realms suffers for immortality". That meanst when tried jumping out of the Buddha's reach, he got to the edge of all existence not just the universe. Change "Flew" to Jump. Doesn't that mean begining of game Wukong is immeasurable? so is Er Lang and D.O. once he defeat him
Weapons and valuable cherished by yaoguais often carry lingering obsessions from their deceased owners. Collecting them grants the ability to briefly take on their forms in combat. Each transformation has its own strengths, making them worth experimenting with.
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Obsession create a tangible copy of locations, individuals or equipments(Boss Wukong armor). They are more than just shapeshifting(spirits), they're their own individuals(which could explain why you can't use your spells once you transform)

Transformations also have their own health bar, so somekind of immortality ?
 
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DavidTPPM said:
Technically we could gather an approximate timeframe since the fight happens over one daytime (a bit iffy but better than nothing).

Bigger problem would be scaling anyone to the destruction speed. You don't always scale to the speed of any destruction you cause. Otherwise every tier 2 character would be immeasurable
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Well I think Destined One reacted to Yellow Brow's wind attacks so ig you can argue he scales there

EL_xWatcher1234x said:
@Lloydblitzed
Where did you get his age being 5000?
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Wiki I think
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
  • You could add him resisting Yellow Wind as justification for his universal LS
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I have doubts about this
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
  • About speed, During the OP scene Wukong said something like "all the realms suffers for immortality". That meanst when tried jumping out of the Buddha's reach, he got to the edge of all existence not just the universe.
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When did he jump out of Buddha's reach?
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
  • Change "Flew" to Jump. Doesn't that begining of game Wukong is immeasurable? so is Er Lang and D.O. once he defeat him
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DO reached peak Wukong's level by the time they fought
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Obsession create a tangible copy of locations, individuals or equipments(Boss Wukong armor). They are more than just shapeshifting(spirits), they're their own individuals(which could explain why you can't use your spells once you transform)
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I don't recall "Obsession" being a spell tho
EL_xWatcher1234x said:
Transformations also have their own health bar, so somekind of immortality ?
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No idea what type it would be outside the ones on his profile
 
Lloydblitzed said:
I have doubts about this
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GOW Siren's LS comes from this calc
Lloydblitzed said:
When did he jump out of Buddha's reach?
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I though he jumped like the nove
Lloydblitzed said:
I don't recall "Obsession" being a spell tho
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Not directly. Transfomations come from weapons imbued with lingering obsession.
Lloydblitzed said:
No idea what type it would be outside the ones on his profile
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Just give him an extra life for each transformation🐵×999
 
Lloydblitzed said:
Well I think Destined One reacted to Yellow Brow's wind attacks so ig you can argue he scales there
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That's not really the problem. The problem is that just because YB can destroy the universe doesn't mean his attacks scale to that speed.

Again otherwise any character past tier 2 would have immeasurable attack speed which they clearly don't
 
DavidTPPM said:
That's not really the problem. The problem is that just because YB can destroy the universe doesn't mean his attacks scale to that speed.
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It's his Samadhi Wind that scale to it not him
DavidTPPM said:
Again otherwise any character past tier 2 would have immeasurable attack speed which they clearly don't
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That's not a problem. GOW gods have immeasurable speed when they clearly aren't, but they scale to Hermes indirectly


I forgot about Wind Tamer, which provide immunty to Samadhi Wind. Plantain Fan is suppose to atleast have a range of 80,000 miles(IDK if that's helpful)
 
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