Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sus]

@WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces makes sense

i fail to see JL doing anything

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

Yuta turned off Jacob's Ladder after blasting Sukuna once, for Yuji to try and save Megumi with soul punch. Megumi rejecting their help gave Sukuna the opportunity to cast the world-cutting Dismantle and incapacitate Yuta.


Using a cursed technique when not being hit by Jacob's Ladder is not an antifeat for Jacob's Ladder. Also it's Dismantle, but that's not important.

What even is your argument here? That a person has to constantly be under the jacob's ladder beam to have their technique extinguished? That is even worse and a hilariously bad technique. It means that you are essentially saying that Sukuna, or Mahoraga in this instance, has to not move for an extended period of time and wait for the beam to continuously envelop them which doesn't happen at all in the series because your opponent will eventually move. It doesn't "turn off" the CT which is what most are thinking Jacob's ladder does, which is what it did to the prison realm.

Also, this isn't even how Jacob's ladder is described nor treated in the actual story. Yuta didn't do Jacob's ladder at full power with the thought "oh this will totally not work unless I keep on blasting Sukuna for an hour". The opposite, the goal was for it to work with just one blast.

Yes, dismantle is a curse technique, so?

 

[Sus]

been telling yall its jus a plot device to free gojo

 

[Zabazab]

What even is your argument here? That a person has to constantly be under the jacob's ladder beam to have their technique extinguished?

Were you under the impression that the Angel's cursed technique was the permanent removal of a cursed technique? That was never the case. The technique neutralizes and nullifies cursed techniques (that is, innate techniques, barrier techniques, cursed objects, etc.), similar to the Inverted Spear of Heaven and the Black Rope. Those do not permanently strip a cursed technique either.

The opposite, the goal was for it to work with just one blast.

The goal was to severely injure Sukuna, as incarnated sorcerers (due to being a result of a cursed object fused to a vessel) are destroyed by the Angel's cursed technique.

 

[Sus]

when used on a non-object JL has 0% success rate

 

[Arkenis]

Food for thought:

What if Shinjuku Yuta vs Maho?
If stomp, what if Yuta and Yuji vs Maho?

Stomp either way. Neither are really fast enough I think. Yuta might pull out Rika which if he does there goes his source for win cons w techs. Yuji just gets slapped around.

 

[GTsek]

Failed in 251 when he hit Sukuna with a maximum Jacob's ladder and he immediately cut Yuta in half with dismantle, a curse technique. The ability is complete shit.

You know that Jacob's Ladder has two effects, right? Besides physical damage, it nullifies techniques, but this nullification isn't permanent. Yuta deactivated the stairs so that Yuji could talk to Megumi, which is why Sukuna was able to use WC. The Angel Technique is a jujutsu with the direct function of canceling cursed techniques because it directly affects the Cursed Energy (CE) of things and cancels it. This was mentioned in the extras informations in volume 30. Mahoraga is a technique, he would simply be nullified, just like Nue was.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

You know that Jacob's Ladder has two effects, right? Besides physical damage, it nullifies techniques, but this nullification isn't permanent. Yuta deactivated the stairs so that Yuji could talk to Megumi, which is why Sukuna was able to use WC. The Angel Technique is a jujutsu with the direct function of canceling cursed techniques because it directly affects the Cursed Energy (CE) of things and cancels it. This was mentioned in the extras informations in volume 30. Mahoraga is a technique, he would simply be nullified, just like Nue was.

Were you under the impression that the Angel's cursed technique was the permanent removal of a cursed technique? That was never the case. The technique neutralizes and nullifies cursed techniques (that is, innate techniques, barrier techniques, cursed objects, etc.), similar to the Inverted Spear of Heaven and the Black Rope. Those do not permanently strip a cursed technique either.


The goal was to severely injure Sukuna, as incarnated sorcerers (due to being a result of a cursed object fused to a vessel) are destroyed by the Angel's cursed technique.

Yes, I know what JL is, thanks for repeating. Thanks for also not countering any point I made and showing why this technique has been a failure almost every time it's used.

 

[Zabazab]

Jacob's Ladder has never even once failed to neutralize a cursed technique, just repeating "It's failed nearly every time" won't make it true.

The Culling Game Barriers, Incarnated Sorcerers, Sukuna's Ten Shadows and Shrine, and the Prison Realm. That is, as far as I recall, every major instance of Hana using Technique Extinguishment.

 

[Arkenis]

Also, this isn't even how Jacob's ladder is described nor treated in the actual story. Yuta didn't do Jacob's ladder at full power with the thought "oh this will totally not work unless I keep on blasting Sukuna for an hour". The opposite, the goal was for it to work with just one blast.

I know this manga sucks and no one likes to read it, but that wasn't the goal. They knew since talking to Hana, the process of removing them is difficult and results in death unless further steps are taken. It was never to one shot blast Sukuna.

 

[GTsek]

Yes, I know what JL is, thanks for repeating. Thanks for also not countering any point I made and showing why this technique has been a failure almost every time it's used.

The function of the angel technique: Directly affects the CE of things and cancels any technique

What the technique did EVERY time it was used: Canceled the techniques of whatever it affected.

Your arguments: "It failed every time it's used"

 

[GTsek]

I know this manga sucks and no one likes to read it, but that wasn't the goal. They knew since talking to Hana, the process of removing them is difficult and results in death unless further steps are taken. It was never to one shot blast Sukuna.

This.

If the Angel had been able to one-shot Sukuna, he wouldn't have lost to him in the past.

 

[Sus]

lets ask yuta about this

 

[Zabazab]

If the Angel had been able to one-shot Sukuna, he wouldn't have lost to him in the past.

Sukuna was not an Incarnated Sorcerer in the Heian Era, meaning the Angel's technique was not deadly for him. The Angel could still neutralize Sukuna's Shrine, but that would still make it a battle of physical reinforcement vs reinforcement. Sukuna does praise the Angel's technique as powerful.

 

[Sus]

67

 

[Rogue_Forge]

67

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

I know this manga sucks and no one likes to read it, but that wasn't the goal. They knew since talking to Hana, the process of removing them is difficult and results in death unless further steps are taken. It was never to one shot blast Sukuna.

This.

If the Angel had been able to one-shot Sukuna, he wouldn't have lost to him in the past.

How have both of you read the previous comments so far, and came to the conclusion that my posts containing "Angel's technique is shit because it's failed to have any lasting properties on anyone Sukuna, Todo, or Yuji and didn't impede them in any capacity since they still used their CT in the exact same chapter" and think that my post means "Angel's technique should one shot Sukuna"? It's borderlining on strawman now because you're inventing an argument and forgetting the context of what I was discussing.

 

[Sus]

the narrative doesn't portray yuta as far above other heavy hitters neither does it portray him as someone above mahoraga

 

[Arkenis]

"Angel's technique should one shot Sukuna"? It's borderlining on strawman now because you're inventing an argument and forgetting the context of what I was discussing.

Also, this isn't even how Jacob's ladder is described nor treated in the actual story. Yuta didn't do Jacob's ladder at full power with the thought "oh this will totally not work unless I keep on blasting Sukuna for an hour". The opposite, the goal was for it to work with just one blast.

You said it here. I corrected you and provided you pages from the manga showing you that wasn't the goal.

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

You said it here. I corrected you and provided you pages from the manga showing you that wasn't the goal.

Yes, the ability working in "one shot" is not the same thing as the ability should one shot sukuna. The former was referring to the ability stopping his CT, and it was useless because 2 pages later he used his CT. The other user was implying that Yuta or Hanna needed to constantly keep using JL for an extended period of time, which means the ability is actually really shitty. It is not me typing that JL is supposed to kill Sukuna in one hit. This means the ability is shit, like I've been typing for the past page.

 

[Arkenis]

Yes, the ability working in "one shot" is not the same thing as the ability should one shot sukuna. The former was referring to the ability stopping his CT, and it was useless because 2 pages later he used his CT. It is not me typing that JL is supposed to kill Sukuna in one hit. This means the ability is shit, like I've been typing for the past page.

I think you're just looking for an issue where there isn't one. The ct is for nullifying ct in use, Sukuna didn't use his ct when he got hit, he used it afterwards. So how does this make it shit?

 

[Zabazab]

Wtf Gojo used cursed techniques after Toji or Miguel hit him with the Inverted Spear of Heaven or Black Rope? Why are these curse tools so ass??

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

I think you're just looking for an issue where there isn't one. The ct is for nullifying ct in use, Sukuna didn't use his ct when he got hit, he used it afterwards. So how does this make it shit?

I think you're refusing to read the context of the argument. If the argument is that Yuta could defeat Mahoraga via "technique nullification" and such a thing has effectively been shit every single time it was used except for prison realm, then there's a low chance it will actually do much to Mahoraga.

Wtf Gojo used cursed techniques after Toji or Miguel hit him with the Inverted Spear of Heaven or Black Rope? Why are these curse tools so ass??

Ignoring that all three do different things. Black Rope and Inverted Spear have worked almost every single time used. To the point that black rope even permanently removed a curse on a person just by touching them, not head canon BS of "your curse technique is fine immediately you move away from the light". These two are the actual items that have shown what JL hasn't.

 

[Arkenis]

I think you're refusing to read the context of the argument. If the argument is that Yuta could defeat Mahoraga via "technique nullification" and such a thing has effectively been shit every single time it was used except for prison realm, then there's a low chance it will actually do much to Mahoraga.

Ah I see. You're still conflating the idea that Sukuna's example would be like Mahoraga's. I don't think Mahoraga gets negged by it either, but that's because I see Ten Shadow as the shadow manipulation being the ct, the shikigamis are just shikigamis summoned through it. So negging Mahoraga would just be fruitless since he'll just adapt after escaping prolonged effect.

 

[Sus]

@Nonynho just wanted sum fun match and yall made a war (raga low diffs tho)

 

[Zabazab]

Ignoring that all three do different things. Black Rope and Inverted Spear have worked almost every single time used. To the point that black rope even permanently removed a curse on a person just by touching them, not head canon BS of "your curse technique is fine immediately you move away from the light". These two are the actual items that have shown what JL hasn't.

I will tell you this only once: Jacob's Ladder has never, ever failed to neutralize a cursed technique. You will not post a scan or bring up an example of it failing, because you made that up.

Obviously if you're not being hit by Jacob's Ladder, Jacob's Ladder won't neutralize your cursed technique. Do you think Black Rope or Inverted Spear of Heaven can prevent Gojo from using Limitless when they're nowhere near him or his techniques?

And either Inverted Spear of Heaven or Jacob's Ladder could remove a curse placed on a person, just like Black Rope? That's incredibly simple. It's also not in any way similar to permanently removing a person's cursed technique, which no cursed tool or cursed technique is capable of, with the sole exception being the Culling Game Rules.

 

[Sus]

with the sole exception of me

 

[Zabazab]

Apologies for spreading misinformation in that case.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

15F sukuna, Big Raga, and Yorozu supersonic
they're above the transonic cap

 

[Sus]

15F sukuna, Big Raga, and Yorozu supersonic
they're above the transonic cap

lowkey hypersonic for scaling to the heavily weakened and casual sukuna that blitzed choso

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

lowkey hypersonic for scaling to the heavily weakened and casual sukuna that blitzed choso

he doesn't scale rn but true. they should

 

[Sus]

even if the hypersonic scaling doesn't work, base raga still blitzes yuta

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

i mean, if you wanna glaze, No Adaption Raga>Toji>Suppressed, holding back, toying around, no heart 3F Sukuna

 

[Sus]

i mean, if you wanna glaze, No Adaption Raga>Toji>Suppressed, holding back, toying around, no heart 3F Sukuna

based on what?

and im not glazing, i do think 15-16f is hypersonic

 

[Arkenis]

Mahoraga ~ 3f = Toji > Jogo
Crazy how these four are the cap for the verse's speed even if you ignore Naoya.

 

[Sus]

Mahoraga ~ 3f = Toji > Jogo
Crazy how these four are the cap for the verse's speed even if you ignore Naoya.

why toji > jogo?

 

[Arkenis]

why toji > jogo?

Toji>Naobito~>Jogo
Then Toji's the one who can handle mach 3.

 

[Sus]

Toji>Naobito

people here disagree with this

im neutral on it

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

based on what?

Toji's stated faster than when no heart toying around 3F sukuna blitzed him only to go on to say that 3F Sukuna is relative to toji in speed, sukuna says big raga could've defeated him in the state he was in when megumi was about to summon him against 3f sukuna.
taking the statements as literal with all Ragas start of the same in base without adapting, big raga no adaptions solos

and im not glazing, i do think 15-16f is hypersonic

Hypersonic sukuna's just the truth.

 

[Sus]

i explained before why mahoraga wins against 3F due to weaker/no fuga, stats kind of irrelevant (just like they were irrelevant in shibuya)